I don’t think Colesy was being any more rude than the last paragraph of the OP was. If I was the OP, I would spend more time learning both basic and advanced game mechanics before I posted builds like this.
Posting a pve build with sigil of hydromancy is something you should be embarrassed about; but then again this could just be an elaborate trolling. If so, kudos for getting me.
Why does everyone post essentially the meta s/s+lb build and try to claim they invented something new? It’s weird. You don’t see people posting Mace/Shield+GS builds acting like they just discovered the new world, but when it comes to this condition build people act like an angel appeared to them in the night and gave them some revealed wisdom.
Ranger boosts are impractical because few people have properly geared rangers, and of those that do, they rarely opt to play them.
I HATE STACKING. I like a challenge and I NEVER skip kholer or any optional boss.
I know a Gorilla boss in Arah P1 who would like to meet you.
Skill clickers gonna skill click.
As for people talking about my build… it may not be your ideal Hundered-Blades-And-Rifle-Kill-Everything build, but screw that.
lol.
I have to agree though, screw all those rifle warrior elitists.
Afaik, Empower Allies is a Mastertrait after the next patch. And I dont like FGS for the might. WW does up to 25k in one second. 8 or 10 sec cd make a difference.
8 or 10 sec cd doesn’t make a difference, you’re only able to use it every 10 seconds due to 5 second swap cooldowns.
Here you go again assuming people do proper rotations and don’t just camp greatsword.
There is a difference between stacking/LOSing and exploiting a boss by sitting in a place where you can hit him but he cant hit you. It seems this distinction is being confused by some people in this thread.
The other thing about including all the buffs is it helps determine which stacking sigil is superior.
For example, a build with 88% chance to crit without Banner of Disc would almost certainly appear to benefit more from Perception stacks. However, when you include the Disc banner Bloodlust stacks are the clear winner.
Erring on the side of more (and better) data is always superior when trying to do science, as your results are only as good as the inputs.
For what it’s worth my updated spreadsheet includes all the common buffs as a base already so it’s not like it takes additional time to calculate. There is literally no harm in including those buffs and only potential gain so I’m not sure why the opposition is so intense.
Your first time ever in Arah explorable and you don’t have much experience in the other dungeons.
Set aside a few hours and pack a lunch. Also, bring a back up soul after your spirit is crushed.
Or get lucky and get a good group who carries you quickly and doesn’t kick you.
Base damage modifiers are multiplicative. The more you have the better they are. Ignoring certain ones because “they cancel each other out” negatively biases builds whose traits give more modifiers vs ones who just increase normal stats.
1.1*1.1*1.1*1.1*1.1 = 1.61
That last 10% is worth a bit more than 10%. If the last 10% was a trait in your build and you ignored the first four, it would make that last 10% not quite as good as it is in actuality.
Take it from someone with the Emperor title, it doesn’t feel as prestigious now as it did 6 months ago.
OP asks whether his build is good or not.
Is told no.
Gets mad at people who told him no.
Gotcha
Pure axe is higher dps (very slightly) than axe+gs. If you can live without gs mobility and utility, pure axe is more than viable.
I especially love the guy who said Teq was only hard because of all the bad casuals,
What part of that isn’t accurate?
Aren’t you the scrub who was saying 30 in Tactics was good for warrior dps builds?
I’ve made 9 ascended weapons so far and have the mats for a 10th but I decided to stockpile mats for the armor.
You casuals need to get on my level imo.
The only thing truly wrong with the path (besides being too long time-wise for the reward) is the tetris puzzle thing with the electrified floor. The hologram you have to lure to the door almost always aggros on the wrong person and it takes way longer than it should to finish simply due to bad AI.
Solution for Anet: stop making encounters that rely on the NPC ai to work, or enemy mob ai to work. since your ai sucks, it makes any ai reliant encounter inherently frustrating.
Keeping it as simple as possible would be best IMO.
So no stacks, no food buffs, Rangers are hardly common practice so no to their buffs.
Preferably no Vuln or Might either (beyond what the profession can create on its own.) Though you’ve got issues there with classes that can’t maintain Fury on their own when setup for optimal DPS. However I would see the precision from Banner of Discipline as a constant because you’d be nuts to not have that at every opportunity. Idk I just don’t see why you over complicate things by taking so many things into consideration when you can just compare two builds in a sandbox environment.
Basically, the entire point of theorycraft is to get reliable data with which to make better decisions that will increase efficiency in game. If you use situations (like your example of only measuring the stuff it can create on it’s own) that don’t actually exist in actual team play, you will arrive at inaccurate conclusions.
In organized groups, fury and might, banners and dungeon potions and food buffs are a given. 25 stacks of vuln is debatable because it’s much harder to maintain permanently on a boss. But the other stuff is a no brainer.
I have no idea why you exclude content specific potions. Have you ever run in an organized Arah group that didnt use undead potions intentionally>
750 power for your whole team = 21 Might stacks. Since you spend 50% of your time in Axe where you are gaining 0 Might stacks there is absolutely no way that FGS is giving you anything close to an average of 21 Might stacks. When I did the math, assuming you spend 50% of your time in Axe, FGS maintains 4-5 Might stacks over time. Since 30/0 has versatile power which gives 2 over time, the advantage of FGS is 2-3 Might stacks more than 30/0.
GWAMM is still the most prestigious PVE title in gw2.
According to data mined from the new patch there will be achievements and rewards with queens gauntlet style gambits for dungeons now. Dare I get my hopes up too early?
It’s a not so subtle way to tell you what’s good and bad. Congrats on passing the test and realizing condition damage is bad. The second test is whether you actually stop using a condition build, or whether you persist in forcing a square peg into a round hole.
Teq is only challenging because you have to overcome the worst AI imaginable: getting the type of know-nothings who think clerics gear is good in pve to organize and work together. The individual aspects of the fight aren’t even hard or particularly complex.
Regardless, berserker gear is objectively better than clerics in dungeons. You can say, “yeah well dungeons suck.” Whatever. Go start a dungeons suck thread. This thread is about scrubs who mistakenly believe they are contributing when they aren’t.
Do YOU like being carried through dungeons because you’re doing no damage and can support just as well in full berserker?
Stop trying to make the guy a bad player who we all joke with each other about in PUG horror stories, let’s make him actually be useful to dungeon parties. The only way you can do that is in offensve gear.
You are only projecting your personal experience and expectations upon others, which to summarize is absolutely useless to anyone but yourself. You’ve had problems because someone that did not know the game wore cleric gear and failed, you’ve probably even done the same.
The way you describe dungeons is like its very complex material. So far the only complex fight in gw2 is teq and it doesn’t require zerker gear. That being said, you shouldn’t be trying to teach anyone nor trying to convert them to your mindset by belittling their perspective.
In fact, its not even none of your business what gear other players want to use. Just start to worry about yourself and if you run into a player who isn’t meeting your “personal” expectations then you have the choice not to group with them.
Nope, clerics gear is objectively worse for dungeons than berserkers. Anyone who wears clerics gear in a dungeon group is looking to be carried.
As an experiment, imagine these two scenarios.
1. Clerics gear guy contributes no dps and his “support” contributions are meaningless because everyone in the group can dodge properly and his heals are less than trivial.
2. Berserker geared guy goes afk at the start of the dungeon and the rest of the team four mans it.
Is there a substantial difference in these two scenarios? I would content that both were more or less equally carried.
What’s the point of Zerker Guardian if my Semi-Zerker Warrior is as good, if not, better.
Your semi-zerker warrior has bad dps. And if it has better dps than a full zerker guardian with a good build you are doing something horribly wrong.
Axe/Warhorn or Sword/Warhorn with 30 in Tactics, use 2 banners, FGJ, Deep Breathing, Inspiring Banners, and Empower Allies. Wear full berserker gear. You’ll add huge amount of DPS to your group with the banners, EA, and FGJ. Your personal DPS will be fairly decent, and you’ll do excellent condition removal/conversion with the warhorn as well as providing nearly permanent vigor to your group.
Why do you need 30 in tactics to use Banners, EA and FGJ? This is absolutely horrible advice.
I’ve read your Guardian forum posts and it’s clear you advocate people bringing useless support stats/traits/gear. Then when someone points out youre wrong, you say, “i know dps is better but that means the game is broken.” Whether or not you think the game is broken, if you know dps is better why do you advocate support stuff? And why do you continue to support it after being shown to be wrong?
Perplexing.
30/25 maintains an average of 2 more Might stacks than 30/0. So 2 more Might stacks for you and 2 Vuln stacks vs. 150 power for everyone in the party is a no brainer as to which is better.
Keeping him alive as long as possible is the main strat for that fight.
I use Banners, Fury, Vuln, Might, Food, Potions, Sigils, stacks and runes in my estimations. I would like to use ranger stuff because it would be great and change a lot (with spotter certain builds could use Bloodlust where they current use Perception and get a massive DPS boost) but it’s just not practical since almost nobody has a fully geared ranger. And those that do, almost none of them enjoy playing it.
This game really does suffer from the lack of trinity. :\ If the only thing worth playing is Zerker, ‘cause Zerker is just THAT good compared to everything else…well, then, there’s just no use for everything else in the game.
I prefer keeping the challenge alive, and not run the zerker build. Hell, my ele is a monk.
This game really just suffers from the lack of trinity, so everything is just….blah, because there’s no team work NEEDED to do anything. Just each person being somewhat competent to do EVERYTHING. Maybe not as fast as the ‘elitists’, but everything is still possible without any insight into team composition at all.
But then again, the trinity is the same thing that kills MMO’s. Play a class that isn’t tank/DPS/healer, and no one wants you in any of the game content.
The sad part of GW2 is that all you need is 5 Zerker DPS characters, and you are golden! Game done, over, fin. Lame sauce.
Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. Or in the this case, “lame.”
I’m just hoping to see some next generation clown cars
Rabosevich never had us, he never even had his clown car.
While doing TAFU yesterday I remarked that other than the end boss, it was probably one of the better paths in the game. The Vivenna fight is especially well designed relative to some of the other anet bosses.
I’m personally very excited about Molten Retreat II: The Electric Boogaloo. I cant wait for a time gated mid-dungeon jumping encounter where avoiding a moving laser is the mechanic rather fight a boss. Love that. I really also hope that we are forced to kill tons of trash mobs who are immune to blind as that has proven to be a most excellent mechanic.
GAME ON!
Is 30/0/0/10/30 really better than 30/25/0/0/15 for PuGs? I mean I know Empower Allies is great and all but let’s face it we’re talking about PuGs here, who would make as much use of +150 Power as they would a Fiery Greatsword. Would it not be better to go “screw you guys” and self stack might like a beast?
150 power for the whole party is significantly better overall dps than the marginal gains of 30/25. Your logic is fuzzy to me, “what will pugs do with 150 power?” I don’t get how lowering their DPS by not taking Empower Allies will make the pug more efficient. You personal dps with 30/25 would have to be something like 30% higher than the Empower Allies build (which it definitely isnt) in order to make up that difference.
How do you deal with conditions? You have no condition cleanse so when you get poison or bleeds dropped on you, especially in dungeons, what do you do?
Team play.
And this build is probably the worst dps of the three main dps build options for warrior. FYI.
Who was bickering? It was a theorycraft debate, and no one got angry or kitten.
I apologize if you feel I was attacking you. Apothecary armor is a flavor of the month set for the WvW crowd on a warrior and has had little use before, and will little be seen again after it falls out of favor. I pretty much assumed anybody who had apothecary armor got it due to WvW.
Anything except Berserker’s is a bad idea in pve except from isolated exceptions like Tequatl.
Seems like these type of threads happen a bunch where a guy buys a set of gear for WvW and then wants to do pve stuff and be effective without buying another set. Unfortunately, the playstyle of a warrior in pvp vs pve is drastically different so you’ll really never be competent in either realm with the same gearing.
Probably, but I do know I’d hit 15k on the last one before. Not saying it’s typical, but it happens.
How so? I’ve hit numbers bigger than that, I’m just trying to be reasonable.
How would 10/25/0/10/25 compare to 20/25/0/5/20. Both using GS.
10/25: (5 boons)
Sweet and Spicey with Perception stacks: 18,020
20/25:
Sweet and Spicey with Perception stacks: 18,551
So 2.9% more dps. with 20/25, almost exactly what I figured which means one thing: I’ve been playing spreadsheet wars 2 far too long.
Yeah I just find sword unbelievably boring though. The numbers dont even look impressive with sword auto. Atleast with GS i can press 5 buttons for dps!
I dunno, 6k, 6k, 5kx3 sword auto chain looks good to me.
How would 10/25/0/10/25 compare to 20/25/0/5/20. Both using GS.
I’ll do the numbers this afternoon, but my guess is the 20 power one would be around 3% more DPS. since they both get 5% damage boosts, but the 20 power one has 100 extra power.
Yeah probably too good in pvp.
These numbers are outrageously inflated. I’m not even really sure what to say about it. 10/30/0/5/25 isn’t going to be anywhere near the highest possible DPS you can get in an optimized setting.
Inflated how? They are Effective Power not dps.
And this isn’t a kitten ing contest about who can create the build with the highest effective power, it’s about who can create a functional build that maximizes Guardian utility AND have as high an EP as possible. Obviously a build that has 10 in Valor will have a higher EP than one with 10 in Virtues, but presumably the whole reason to bring a guardian in the first place is due to Master of Consecration.
I find it funny that its significantly faster to range the boss during phase 2 and phase 3. In melee we had to break out and dodge meteor shower or agony blast so often that it disrupted dps way more than just ranging would.
If banner of Defense gave 33% faster endurance regeneration it would actually be highly beneficial in pve.
What about this? 15/25/0/20/10 Hammer/GS.
Been running it for a few weeks now, seems to outdps sword too (Taking 0/30/0/30/10) in mind
Effective Power is only useful for comparing builds using the same weapon and same profesion, in this case I compared Sword Focus.
Also, hammer builds derive a significant portion of their damage from symbols which I means you’re spending trait points for dps that won’t necessarily show up in effective power.
2 things
1) lfg tool is not for selling runs thus the use is improper
2) most people selling arah paths are using glitches to obtain an unfair amount of gold…
If you skip for yourself is a thing, if you glitch skip and sell the run its not much different from snowflake abuse (in my opinion).If a player is legit soloing lupicus and bosses (or doing with friends) and in the end sells paths without the lfg tool…its fine for me.
1. I thought it was “for” looking for a group. What you do with that group is whose business?
2. “most” implies you have some statistics or information to support that claim. I’d love to know it.