Guild Wars 2

SkyChef.5432:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Aden Celeste.3650:

I HATE STACKING. I like a challenge and I NEVER skip kholer or any optional boss.

I know a Gorilla boss in Arah P1 who would like to meet you.

I run arah p1-3 every day and have never fought that boss. I’m kinda curious now lol. I’m guessing he is just annoying as all hell with knockdowns and what not.

Knockdowns are the easy part.

the whole fight is easy if your group is using teamspeak. dont even know why people skip him.

@Cat Has Ducks.1982: you have to pick up a staff from the ground and stun the gorilla with it (has 10 sec cooldown or something, but you can only stun him for like 3 seconds or so). then put the staff on the ground. next person has to pick it up, stun the gorilla, put it down on the ground…..repeat.

if you dont stun him he will revive all the dead gorillas around you and rampage your group XD

0-30-0-30-10 isnt max dps.

Ronah.2869:

NoTrigger.8396:

it needs to be hard. because gw2 is lacking difficult content.
and other than that explorer mode was never meant to be for pugs or bad groups.

Instances SHOULD NOT exist in a Massively Multiplayer Game no matter what name they have

im pretty sure you will be able to create a MMO without instances and make every other MMO look like trash

Fungalfoot.7213:

I like the dungeon overall but the ooze segment needs to be fixed. Make the kitten oozes friendly and then I’ll gladly PUG this. As it stands I’ll only do it with organized groups.

explorer mode is meant to be for organized groups. and they said in an interview they want to add paths especially for organized groups.

Daecollo.9578:

It needs nerfed in so many ways if your going to add this to a rotation, it is way to hard risk vs reward and needs toned down in a lot of small ways.

Otherwise, people will do it once and never come back again.

it needs to be hard. because gw2 is lacking difficult content.
and other than that explorer mode was never meant to be for pugs or bad groups.

edit: look at your description: “Roleplayer {} Friend {} Professional Princess Saver”
….
there is your problem.

you will get it when you learn to understand that warrior doesnt deal the most dps.

agree. i always play in groups with 1 mesmer, 3 warriors and 2 guardians. sometimes we even have 8 warriors in the group because warrior es #1 huehuehue.

its simple. first of all they have to kick the “pro testers”. and after that…
if devs dont even get past the first boss in a dungeon after days of trying, they simply need to turn the difficulty up 20 times and its fine.

Lucky.9421:

NoTrigger.8396:

because people dont want the “harder” paths replaced with easy mode content.

I don’t think the new dungeon will be “easy mode” but it will probably give very specific team comps less favor.

the devs can complete it -> easy mode.
this guy in the livestream even said “tested by pro testers”.
when i hear something like that im not sure if i should laugh, cry or both at the same time.

because people dont want the “harder” paths replaced with easy mode content.
and this new path will be easy mode content because the devs can complete it.

the difficulty is only ok when the devs test their own path and cannot get past the first boss and make the difficulty 20 times harder after that.

Malevo.1806:

Why is everyone complaining about F/U path being removed? It was insanely difficult for a normal group structure, and punished you too harsh on failure. Almost no one did this path.

While I was grinding for my full set of TA gear and legendary token, I actually got a group for it once, and that group failed hard for about an hour before giving up in frustration. You should consider this replacement path a full redesign of the F/U path from the team that put together the other two living story dungeons, which might I add were quite well designed.

Things change. While it would have been better to just add this path, I can certainly say I will not be missing F/U one bit, and neither will about 90% of the community.

explorer mode was never meant to be completed by pugs or casual groups.
explorer mode was meant to be difficult for good organized groups so they have a challenge.

ele deals most dps if you are looking for the highest dps profession

Sauzo.6821:

And comparing any DPS to warrior DPS is unfair since we all know, warriors are the golden children of Anet.

guard deals more dps than warrior in a group.

a t s e.9614:

sure class are balanced lol, thats why on my thief i get one shotted vs effigy in CoF and my warr can eat 3 hits while being full zerker lol

thief has mobility, blinds, stealth

and i think you should stop calling people kid. because when you look trough this thread the only kid here is u.

edit: right, not even worth it. one cant fill a full glass of water.

edit2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5OgQ1svrc4#t=48m30s

Mesket.5728:

colesy.8490:

haviz.1340:

Mesket.5728:

Random replies are random. I’m far from 2400 toughness and hardly die. But nice try at a personal attack. Keep on trying though.

It’s barely random. I think I recall you playing with similiar builds.

ahahahahahahahahahaha

nice zerker stats, mesket

Context is important instead of making yourself a fool you can see where that pic come from… its from 7 months ago in a thread called “near invincible warrior”… AND! I was using PVT for the Dragon so talk me more about optimal builds for that… nice try kid. Don’t try to hard you might hurt yourself.

Again, context is important kid

Ps. Near 15 other warriors on the forums asked my build through PM after that. Raw stats are quite impressive if you look closely. I still have some of the PMs

PS II: Actually its funny, now that I see that… I’m quite sure that warrior full PVT can outdamage many other classes on zerk gear… so who is optimal after all? Only optimal classes, the new trend?

ele guardian thief will outdamage a full berserker warrior.
and every profession in full berserker can outdamage a pvt warrior.

guardian is king!

Mesket.5728:

haviz.1340:

Mesket.5728:

Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.

Having 2400 toughness and getting killed itches you too often?

Random replies are random. I’m far from 2400 toughness and hardly die. But nice try at a personal attack. Keep on trying though.

My previous comment was for the delusional who thinks zerk is something rare and elite when it is in fact the most common build and gear set used by almost everyone. It is indeed the average joe build. That is the main reason why threads like this respawn every now and then.

you are wrong here.
the majority doesnt use berserker because they cant survive in berserkers gear.

Chopps.5047:

Lol haviz I agree in sentiment but look what you wrote: “It was not a DPS check unless you suck”.

Sucking and DPS are two different things. rT is good, right? You might even say elite. If I gave you all Dire gear, do you think you’d be able to beat the old Simin? Hmmmm

A DPS check is a DPS check whether or not you suck. I don’t think might, fury, or anything really would have allowed you to defeat old simin in Dire. Maybe if you nailed the sparks every time.

Show me an rT video of beating the current Simin in full Dire stats. (I’m seeing 5 ele’s and FGS haha)

i did simin prenerf in december last year when i played gw2 for 3 weeks (1 week after my first char hit 80) with a pug and we used knights/pvt.

Lokki.1092:

NoTrigger.8396:

ok so you want specific roles.
whats the difference compared to a trinity?

someone already said it: there will always be 1 better statcombo.
no matter how you change it.

In GW2 right now we have (somewhat) roles. And while no 1 role is manditory and this is a good thing, they are not all equally useful. And so we all gear for the most useful role (berserker). This is not good for the game. We should want this to change. And no, not by nerfing berserker because berserker isn’t the problem at all.

but this is exactly the design of gw2. no trinity. every profession can dps and support at the same time. and i dont think that will change. working as intended

ya but there will always be players who are good enough to be able to run improved content with berserker. and the pugs will copy it.

Mesket.5728:

NoTrigger.8396:

Mesket.5728:

NoTrigger.8396:

Mesket.5728:

haviz.1340:

Mesket.5728:

Actually, I’m sorry about your wasted sarcasm because I’m all in favor of a more important role for support and boons. It’s the 5 dps and go set up that I find cheap and more appropriate for a 5 dollars indie game than a triple A MMORPG.

Sorry about your wasted wall of text. Keep reading next time, don’t quote in the middle of a thread.

That’s by design, everyone is dps, support and control. Read the manifesto.

Mike O’Brien Manifesto?

is or can be. Two different things.

Currently it is by designed and everyone is everything. We agree. This is what many players don’t like and prefer to see a specialization into roles (required by content). So everyone can be everything but fit one role at a time to have more team work.

5 × 1 man army =/= 1 × 5 man army

I think they tried to make it so and failed.

“what many players dont like”

did you start a poll or something?
and i dont believe you have ever seen good guilds running dungeons or fractals. because there is already alot of teamwork.

I don’t think you can consider there is teamwork in GW2 because high lvl fractals requires it. That’s not even 1% of the game.

yes because gw2 is lacking difficult content. but that doesnt change the fact that good guilds have a lot of teamwork when running dungeons or fractals.

And finally you end up agreeing on my point. GW2 lacks the content that would require 5 players working together. The rest was suggestion for improving the roles proposed by ANet.

everyone agrees there mate. but to make that happen you dont need to nerf berserker into the ground. its all about how well you play. if you are not that good you simply use knights or pvt. as soon as you become better you will get away with berserker. thats about it.
and supporting your team and statcombos are different things.

Mesket.5728:

NoTrigger.8396:

Mesket.5728:

haviz.1340:

Mesket.5728:

Actually, I’m sorry about your wasted sarcasm because I’m all in favor of a more important role for support and boons. It’s the 5 dps and go set up that I find cheap and more appropriate for a 5 dollars indie game than a triple A MMORPG.

Sorry about your wasted wall of text. Keep reading next time, don’t quote in the middle of a thread.

That’s by design, everyone is dps, support and control. Read the manifesto.

Mike O’Brien Manifesto?

is or can be. Two different things.

Currently it is by designed and everyone is everything. We agree. This is what many players don’t like and prefer to see a specialization into roles (required by content). So everyone can be everything but fit one role at a time to have more team work.

5 × 1 man army =/= 1 × 5 man army

I think they tried to make it so and failed.

“what many players dont like”

did you start a poll or something?
and i dont believe you have ever seen good guilds running dungeons or fractals. because there is already alot of teamwork.

I don’t think you can consider there is teamwork in GW2 because high lvl fractals requires it. That’s not even 1% of the game.

yes because gw2 is lacking difficult content. but that doesnt change the fact that good guilds have a lot of teamwork when running dungeons or fractals.

ok so you want specific roles.
whats the difference compared to a trinity?

someone already said it: there will always be 1 better statcombo.
no matter how you change it.

Mesket.5728:

haviz.1340:

Mesket.5728:

Actually, I’m sorry about your wasted sarcasm because I’m all in favor of a more important role for support and boons. It’s the 5 dps and go set up that I find cheap and more appropriate for a 5 dollars indie game than a triple A MMORPG.

Sorry about your wasted wall of text. Keep reading next time, don’t quote in the middle of a thread.

That’s by design, everyone is dps, support and control. Read the manifesto.

Mike O’Brien Manifesto?

is or can be. Two different things.

Currently it is by designed and everyone is everything. We agree. This is what many players don’t like and prefer to see a specialization into roles (required by content). So everyone can be everything but fit one role at a time to have more team work.

5 × 1 man army =/= 1 × 5 man army

I think they tried to make it so and failed.

“what many players dont like”

did you start a poll or something?
and i dont believe you have ever seen good guilds running dungeons or fractals. because there is already alot of teamwork.

Mesket.5728:

NoTrigger.8396:

@mesket: gw2 will never have tank/healer in pve. because in gw2, everyone can be useful, everyone can dps, everyone can play active.
they even said that before the game was released.

if you want to play a tank/healer play wvw/pvp or move on to another game with trinity.
seriously.

LOL seriously??? hahahaha man please read again…

I NEVER said I wanted tanks and healers. If anything I’m against them in this game. PLEASE read again.

a few posts ago u said trinity in gw2 would have been nice.

seriously man. there is no reason to be so mad about berserker gear. maybe you just have to get better at the game so you can use it as well.

other than that: dodge wont be removed. so nothing will really change.

and if you think all people do in gw2 is dps then you are simply wrong.

@mesket: gw2 will never have tank/healer in pve. because in gw2, everyone can be useful, everyone can dps, everyone can play active.
they even said that before the game was released.

if you want to play a tank/healer play wvw/pvp or move on to another game with trinity.
seriously.
stop being so close minded and maybe you will start to like the combat system in gw2.

Mesket.5728:

AndrewSX.3794:

NoTrigger.8396:

i dont understand why people want to “fix” berserker. there is nothing to fix. it is fine.

This.

*I do see the crutch of some ppl. Seeing the PvE DG Meta being “5 DPS and go” instead of something more structured packing support, CC and Condition on top of raw DPS in equal measure. I agree somehow.

But, Zerker gear is not the issue.

Encounters are. Other gear options are. Skills not being affected by gear are part of the issue too*.

My point exactly, thanks.

5 dps and go is a fine tactic in a (why is five dollars censored?) indie game but a huge disappointment for a game with such production.

u know, there are people who are playing to become better. people who want to learn how to do things better. people who see a challenge in finishing content faster.

if i use pvt or other tanky gear i cannot become better because it wont make any difference if i get hit and tank the damage or play well and dodge/block/whatever at the right time.

they informed the people there will be no trinity before they released the game.
they informed the people there will be no tanks or healer.

maybe you should simply learn to like the fighting and profession system in gw2 and get used to it.
or try to find a game which fulfills all your personal wishes.

gw2 is very well made. its only lacking challenging content.

i dont understand why people want to “fix” berserker. there is nothing to fix. it is fine.
and other than that its 100 times more exciting that you are able to provide the best support and deal alot of damage at the same time.

before the release of gw2 it was already known that:
1. there wont be trinity
2. there wont be tanks
3. there wont be real healer

tom.7468:

Turtle.4130:

I’m gonna say it right now. My warrior is my main and I’ve dropped every single profession many months ago because of how much I love my warrior but what some people are saying here is outright stupid.

Warrior has high PvE DPS, but by no means is it the highest. It’s simply the most accessible as all you have to do is press 2.

Those of you who say guardian do more dps, did you take in account buffs and traits? because on my i see nowhere near as high dps as my warrior.
What buffs i get in a spamfest zerg is irrelevant.

do you think people who are trying to optimize their builds and do the math behind all of this are stupid?

Chorazin.4107:

Depends on what you want to do with your class, Guardians are a really solid group support class(helllloooooo group stability) and if specced for it can deal adequate damage. I wouldnt go too far down the zerker path however due to very low hp’s. But i have an Altruistic Healing build i run that is hybridish with around 1600 tough, 800healing, 55%crit chance and 65%crit dmg and it does ok damage without sacrificing too much survivability.

Warriors can get away with full zerker to an extent because of their mobility around the combat(if they are running greatsword) and because a zerker warrior will have around 19-20k hp’s, a zerker guardian will have 12-13k which means you will melt to conditions(which are currently in omfg crazy mode atm).

And that brings me to my next point, Guardians are like armoured snails, if you like being mobile take a warrior, you dont even really have to spec for mobility. Just throw a greatsword on from ur inventory when ur running somewhere and swap it out when u get there or ur about to enter combat.

At the moment warriors are in a better place having being buffed last patch, but that can change in an instant. Just look at Ele’s, they were 1 of the best classes and now are just free badges.

you have aegis, blocks, vigor on crit etc. …
thats why full berserker guardians get away even with 11k hp.
in pve there are almost no conditions that are really dangerous, except maybe if u fight the slime in arah p1 for an hour.

of course hammer is faster in that test because compared to gs/sword focus you have vulnerability stacks on the golem all the time.

in a group, in fights where your target has vulnerability anyway i believe sword deals more dps because hammer autoattacks are super slow.

and you should use other traits for sword.

Doomdesire.9365:

Clumsy.6257:

C Banks.4358:

Clumsy.6257:

In dungeons and fractals a thief’s purpose is pure damage. We currently out damage all classes except ele

I’m curious where you got this from? i was always under the impression that warriors were top tier damage above thieves. Also another question i had which would be considered the best weaponset for raw damage?

warriors aren’t top tier anymore

1. LH/FGS ele
2. Thief (single target)
3. War, guard, mes, thief (cleave)
4. Ranger, engi
5. Necro
And I run 25/30//0/0/15 for dungeons and 0/30/20/20/0 for fractals. My default weapon sets are d/d and s/p swapping the s/p to s/d for stealing might from certain bosses and short bow or p/p for stuff that has to be ranged

But warriors give might, fury, banners to the entire group, and is multi target, so they are still the better DPS option for dungeons…

Raw, unbuffed DPS the thief may do more, but in an ideal dungeon scenario, warrior is still much better.

in terms of dps its ele>guard>thief>warrior

and no, warriors are not the better dps option. warriors are easier to play and are used to give other classes offensive buffs. thats about it.

in pve u use gs for blind, whirling wrath and the symbol, then you switch to 1hsword focus because 1hsword has the stronger autoattack and deals more dps.

purgatoryz.6038:

NoTrigger.8396:

purgatoryz.6038:

On the other hand, guards are more desired in PvE and can be traited to do nearly the same DPS as a warrior

nearly the same?

in good groups, good guardians deal MORE damage than warriors. and when you add reflections ,alot more damage.

You cherry picked my post, conveniently leaving off my part about reflects.

You also added the “in good groups” part, which is highly ambiguous and subjective.

I’m a sword guardian and wouldn’t trade it for a warrior any day of the week, but with the vastly different amount of situations you can encounter I think it’s hard to make a blanket “guardian > warrior dps” type of statement.

If anything, I’d say is close enough to not really matter, and that the OP should focus his decision on which class to make based on the other merits that each brings.

u can do the math. guard deals more dps than warrior in groups, even without reflects.
and warrior is only number 4 in the rankings of the highest dps.

tom.7468:

NoTrigger.8396:

purgatoryz.6038:

On the other hand, guards are more desired in PvE and can be traited to do nearly the same DPS as a warrior

nearly the same?

in good groups, good guardians deal MORE damage than warriors. and when you add reflections ,alot more damage.

lol keep thinking that as soon as you try warrior you will see how wrong you are. My warrior deal on average 2x as much dps as my guardian both are using full berserker.

get your facts straight.
2 guard 1hsword autoattack chains deal more dmg than 100b in the same time. just saying.

purgatoryz.6038:

On the other hand, guards are more desired in PvE and can be traited to do nearly the same DPS as a warrior

nearly the same?

in good groups, good guardians deal MORE damage than warriors. and when you add reflections ,alot more damage.

i think u can call that a game mechanic til anet will fix stuff like that, just like line of sight etc..

to make a record legit, in my opinion all bosses and champs on your way should be killed (for example the gorilla boss arah p1). i dont understand why people skip him since he has a cool mechanic with the staff etc..
and if you are really good you will find ways to kill him really fast and no one will imitate it so easily.

stuff like arah jumping puzzles should be forbidden.

Ghostextechnica.3270:

Please please please review the condition cap.

Pretty much the whole Necro class is based around condition damage and we are massively kitten in PVE by the limit.

Right now Necros have to fight and beg like crazy to participate in dungeons due to the cap!

Some comments have suggested balance would be affected if the condition cap was raised, but right now Necros can be prevented from doing any damage at all by other classes applying incidental conditions with minuscule amounts of damage that knock our high-damage conditions off the target entirely!

Is it balanced that when Necros are solo they can do full damage, whereas in groups they can’t?

“Right now Necros have to fight and beg like crazy to participate in dungeons due to the cap!”

its not due to the cap, its because you conditionnecros dont know how to play your class in pve. get berserker gear and scholar runes. when you see your damage numbers for the first time you will understand.

even with higher condition cap a berserker necro would laugh about your condition damage.

just an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ckhmyUfC2Q&feature=youtu.be&t=2m29s

+ if u think necro is built around conditions you are simply wrong.

did you know ele deals the most dps in pve?

Zepidel.5349:

Thief
Venomous Aura was complete garbage, as the radius was fairly tight, and venoms are not worth using at all. We’ve now increased that radius a bit, so that it’s easier to share worthless venoms with allies without huddling closely together!

We’re also looking at Destroying Flanking Strike, so that it now only removes 1 boon instead of 2, now thieves wont even have to worry about Sword/Dagger spec.

Also, pistol main hand may see one of its skills reworked into a worthless support ability (since support thieves are epic). We have middle school graduate brazilians paid in bananas working 25 hours a day to achieve maximum support while keeping pistol main hand totally useless for anything else.

FTFY

So you guys are going to barely buff 2 terrible wep kits/specs, so that instead of being garbage that no one uses, it will be garbage that maybe 1 guy in 1000 gets tricked into using.

Then you are going to nerf the only reason ever to go s/d (stopping bunkers from stacking 10000 buffs / stripping stuff like prot off in PvE on bosses)?

What you need to fix is the kittenty meta were it doesn’t matter what spec or gear you are in the content is so easy it doesn’t matter, which actually just favors full zerk gear since instead of a 1 hour dungeon run its a 20-30 minute run.

Sure you can put on your tank/support gear and pretend you are doing something special, but when its all said and done the only thing is accomplished is wasting peoples time.

they just have to release more difficult content

radiance: justice is blind + blind exposure

underworld players from the guild [gold] seem to be super skilled. i let them run away in the jp and they come with 3 players and kill me
nc to these guys.

everything the OP said is right.
but it was 100% obvious close minded kids are going to take over this thread.

for example ele players still run around with staff in pve. or rangers with bow.
…. then they come to the forums and cry about how bad their classes are.
seriously…

you just cant continue to fill a full glass of water.

fellyn.5083:

So guardians will finally be given fury but warriors can’t have protect? Seems fair.

guards had fury all the time.

Burnfall.9573:

What all i got from the OP, is this…. I Love you and will continue buy you presents but, the Abuse will still continue; with a smile on the face

The Irony and Tyranny of Thief abusive mechanics; Stealth Stommping, Over powered Heartseeker+Backstabs, Perma-stealth will still continue.

You can take your presents and your happy smile back; not Interested and Never will

Also take your Fake Love Back cause all you ever done for me was loving me with your Pain and Tyranny

When you’re Serious, I will see that in your Actions.

I will say again, Stop wasting your time!

do you guys know lighting hammer and fgs?
no? you should check it out.

Aza.2105:

Mr. Sharp,

I feel the guardian changes are very positive. The proposed change to the focus mind trait will give guardian the ability to aggressively push while having access to mobility and superior healing capabilities.

The change to purging flames is a amazing counter play tool for the current condition meta. It not only removes conditions from allies but it takes it one step further by introducing a new mechanic that lowers condition duration. Definitely a good change.

Things to take into consideration:

1. Power of the Virtuous is considered a weak grandmaster trait. In a already non damage oriented trait line. In most circumstances one will never be able to maintain enough boons to see any significant benefit from the trait. It probably will be better to award the player the extra 10% damage as long as they have any boon on them.

2. Unscathed contender is more like a gimmick. Its nearly impossible to maintain the extra 20% damage since aegis only last for one attack. It should be changed into something that is less situational, something players have direct control over. My idea is for each virtue you have active you do 6.5% extra damage. So when all three are active you do a extra 20% damage.

Looking into the future, I feel the Zeal and Radiance tree need to be reworked so that they both become relevant. While Radiance would benefit from minor tweaks, Zeal needs a total redo. The trait line has no coherent theme and it seems like its home to a bunch of random traits that have no synergy together.

My suggestion would be to make Zeal focused on spirit weapons. Merge improved spiritual weapons duration from the virtues line with spirit weapon mastery in Zeal. Make it a Tier 1 trait. Merge A fire inside from the Radiance line with Eternal Spirit from the Zeal line and make it a Tier 2 trait.

There aren’t many universal traits in zeal compared to the ones present in other lines. Radiance has this problem to a degree, just not as bad. More traits that can be used regardless of what kind of build you run would make the tree more viable.

Re-examine the adept, master and grandmaster zeal traits. For example, symbolic exposure would be more beneficial if it applied pulses of chill instead of vulnerability. The grandmaster trait could use a damage boost.

Overall I’m happy with the changes to come, definitely a step in the right direction.

The game is in desperate need for more counter play options and build variety.

zeal zealots speed and fiery wrath is king in pve though.

u need to put only 20 points into valor.

Amins.3710:

foofad.5162:

I don’t understand the rage. They aren’t making our damage ability or options any worse, they just aren’t making them any better. They will address the other lines when they get to it. These things are done in waves. They won’t change everything at once.

By not making them any better and the focus of the entire “balance update” is around increasing “Support” (ie, sustain), what do you thinks going to happen to our lack luster dmg?

Again after again, the devs are not directly nerfing us.

They are just ~buffing~ everyone else, which in turn, nerf’s us.

As for the perception issue of the class Obtena, GW2 clearly laid out that they will not pigeon hole people into specific roles (no holy trinity)…

There is still a Trinity: Dmg, CC, Support.

“our lackluster dmg”
are you talking about pve or pvp here?