Guild Wars 2

ken.7430:

Nocta.5274:

Well, just beat a 5 man premade kitten solo queuers too but only got 1 pip out of it. I feel cheated, we stomped them too. 500 to 100 something.

You don’t get more pips just for beating premades—you get additional pips if you beat a premade that was collectively identified as being stronger than your group of 5 players. In this case, you stomping them corroborates that they were much worse players than you, especially given the context of them launching a cooperative effort. I’d take the pip and run

It’s based around MMR, and a 5 man premade gets a 10% MMR boost ( 2% per player in the same group ) so they probably had lower MMR alla ropund and grouping up pushed them to ours.

Still, would feel better if beating a premade or guild team just gave you 2 pips per default.

Well, just beat a 5 man premade kitten solo queuers too but only got 1 pip out of it. I feel cheated, we stomped them too. 500 to 100 something.

Doesn’t really change the point of the thread. Everything in PvP right now is either a bunker build, or a super tanky bruiser build.

The most glass canon thing around is Viper revenant, which has more defensive mechanisms and way to sustain itself than most celestial build.

Nova Stiker.8396:

High end play you’ll find that Viper Revenants are the deciding factor.

From what I’ve been experiencing up to Sapphire, the key classes to push a win are often Condi rev, support tempest, and bunker mesmer.
Well played scrapper can have a really big impact too and often get the most damage in a game out of anyone.

Dragonhunters doesn’t do anything against those 4 classes really.

And female sylvari are voiced by Jennifer Hale, which is a nice perk haha

Sylvari has the most athletic look without being a cliche human, and it has some really nice customization options. ( really hard to make two identical sylvari if you try not to )

Spartacus.3192:

I thought pro Leagues showed that Full Trap DH only works against low tier players. There was so much QQ in the beginning against Trap DH and then when people saw that every team with a DH lost in the early rounds of pro leagues, the QQ mysteriously died out.

Organized teams with a tempest just make DH’s life Hell really.
Magnetic Aura is pretty gud.

Entering a DH trap will proc the Daze half a second before the trap actually does damage.

So when you’re entering a node, watch out fot your condition bar, if you see a daze and hear the trap noise, just dodge immediately and you’ll be fine.

Nerf the stat on it again imo.
520, or even 500 flat if you feel adventurous.

The amulet is pure offence, the issue is that some class ( hum hum revenant ) manage to use it while still having great survability.

I thought the season would be longer too. But I guess it means sooner than later balance patch.

It’s REALLY silly that going up in divisions basically requires win streaks when the GAME itself tries to keep you from getting them.

With how long the grind can be to get to legendary ( especially since the system is trying to push you to 50% winrate ), I’m not even sure that many people will manage to do it in only 2 months. That seems awfully short for a season.

Trying to get as high as I can with Thief until I crack and play my engi.

So many angry players tho.. :/

Solori.6025:

Cynz.9437:

… require a target. To make it fair since steal requires target now. I personally don’t see how it is justified that F-Skills from other classes don’t require target. I think it should be fixed asap

Question….

What did you use steal for without a target?

It doesn’t move you, it doesn’t give you an ability.

It just went on a CD that achieved absolutely nothing.

So…What did you steal from with no target?
Why did you steal with no target?

It gives us the benefit of Thrill of the Crime ( out of comabt swiftness ) and Hidden thief ( stealth )

Incomingray.8075:

They should have buffed Warriors obviously. Every other elite spec seems fine though.. if you watched some of the NA thief play yesterday like Caed you’d see it’s just a class that takes skill and alot of people can’t play up to it’s potential which IMO is a good thing to have.

Thief isn’t as bad as warriors, but they needed some help anyway. Caed or Toker having a good proleague games from time to time isn’t enough to justify it :/

I thought for sure the 1 month between HoT and leagues was supposed to be a way to analyze the balance and patch the game. I thought arenanet was smart for creating this time to see what would happen to balance.

I think I need to stop believing they actually care. :/

• Removed Evade frames on Vault

or

• Vault now cost 6 initiative

Morwath.9817:

Nocta.5274:

Health on each class is a big issue imo.

Malyx rev are basically able to run Viper ONLY because they’re a medium health class. Who knows, maybe Thief could run some sort of hybrid damage build like that, but they can’t, because they would have 11k health with the same setup.

I agree. Burn Guards got exacly same issue, they would be meta with Viper, if they wouldn’t have 11k hp.

Well, Rev have 15k hp with Viper, they use Durability runes to get 17k, which is what thief has with marauder.

Health on each class is a big issue imo.

Malyx rev are basically able to run Viper ONLY because they’re a medium health class. Who knows, maybe Thief could run some sort of hybrid damage build like that, but they can’t, because they would have 12k health with the same setup.

Caed and Toker making sure we never get buffs

Again

The lack of communication about this topic from devs is making me worried.

I am not going to play leagues if there is no balance patch, even if I can just play scrapper in them.

I guess it’s just a design direction disagreement.

You want more boon strip to counter the boon spam while I would rather reduce the amount of boons being spammed.

I don’t honestly think either of us is wrong here.

It’s just kinda pointless to run berzerker instead of Marauder these days. The difference in stats are NOT worth the 500 vitality.

Burtnik.5218:

Nocta.5274:

Burtnik.5218:

Shadelang.3012:

XxsdgxX.8109:

Stability on Mallyx? Lmao this people are a joke

Oh comeon. Its obvious hes talking about the build by the same name. Its not hard to figure that out. Spend 20 seconds thinking about what he could mean before switching to ridicule mode.

The current meta revenant build is refered to often as the Malyx Revenant. As its the most common legend used. There are different variations of this build but all of them have malyx as a stable to it. Its just a name in this case. Hes not saying hte stab is COMING from the malyx line.

Meta is Shiro/Glint.

Glint / Shiro is actually fading away for the Malyx builds right now.
Malyx gets more boon strip than a signet necro, they have a NO CD 2 boons strip, and are highly effective at staying alive against conditions which is usually revenant’s weakness.

They have really good hybrid damage too.

The build is kind of a reaction to thief going out of the meta + Mesmers going bunkers builds, allowing Rev to play some kind of super powerful offence build with Viper Amulet without the threat of being bursted down by power roamers.

I think nerfing the boon strip utility to 1 per use ( like the Thief S/D 3 nerf ) and the highly probable thief buff will help solve this build out. They just get destroyed by Thief burst.

Power rev can still burst the kitten out of viper rev without any issues. And so many builds that wasnt played in PL like dh oneshooting them with traps etc. I see people trying it out but they just die like some upscaled dudes in wvw. Its a build that has to be carried by team while Shiro/Glint can fight well on it own. I would dare to say that even skullcrack warrior will wreck them if they land one well timed cc unless they run double stab on dodge.

It’s a meta reaction build for sure. People are using it because of how many bunkers with perma boons uptime are everywhere and how little power bursting class are being used.

Well, maybe don’t reduce it to 1 boon, but increase the energy cost atleast.

I honestly think the boons strips in the game are too either too good or useless, which makes it harder for arenanet to finally try to nerf the boon spams meta going initiated by D/D Ele before HoT.

There’s just too many spammable boons on everyone right now but I guess it’s another topic. But I strongly argue that Malyx is getting popularity because of the boon strip. The other advantages came later once people figured out the build itself.

Burtnik.5218:

Shadelang.3012:

XxsdgxX.8109:

Stability on Mallyx? Lmao this people are a joke

Oh comeon. Its obvious hes talking about the build by the same name. Its not hard to figure that out. Spend 20 seconds thinking about what he could mean before switching to ridicule mode.

The current meta revenant build is refered to often as the Malyx Revenant. As its the most common legend used. There are different variations of this build but all of them have malyx as a stable to it. Its just a name in this case. Hes not saying hte stab is COMING from the malyx line.

Meta is Shiro/Glint.

Glint / Shiro is actually fading away for the Malyx builds right now.
Malyx gets more boon strip than a signet necro, they have a NO CD 2 boons strip, and are highly effective at staying alive against conditions which is usually revenant’s weakness.

They have really good hybrid damage too.

The build is kind of a reaction to thief going out of the meta + Mesmers going bunkers builds, allowing Rev to play some kind of super powerful offence build with Viper Amulet without the threat of being bursted down by power roamers.

I think nerfing the boon strip utility to 1 per use ( like the Thief S/D 3 nerf ) and the highly probable thief buff will help solve this build out. They just get destroyed by Thief burst.

They had no Thief to one shot with true shot or traps, so they seemed kinda bad.

I personally think the timers is just a sign of raids being a new thing for Arenanet.

Compare raid design with WoW ( because if there’s one thing wow does amazing, its raid encounter design ). They manage to create very difficult boss based only around mechanics, and enrage timer are VERY rarely a cause for wipe nowadays, because they design mechanics as a way to kill raid teams that don’t have enough damage.

But they didn’t do that since the start. They had quite a few bosses that were tied to enrage timer in the past. They just became better at designing the bosses.

And I believe Arenanet will become better too. I just hope they already know they can do that.

So many words and I had to watch the video to understand the bug. Holy hell get to the point when reporting an issue.
If you report bugs this way, I’m not surprised they never get fixed lol

- Unrelenting Assault deals no damage if the revenant is affected by Slow.

Here, ONE line. x_x

Einlanzer.1627:

I actually think good 1v1 is not the correct conceptual goal for thieves, so I don’t mind that they are on the weak side there.

The problem is their total lack of anything noteworthy. +1 and decap are roles of exclusion – thieves do those because they can’t really do anything else well. They have above average mobility, and that’s it. It isn’t good enough to compensate for average offense and awful attrition.

I honestly think they should move Thieves into more of a support direction. Overhaul stolen items and some of their utilities to provide unique and powerful support effects to make them good team combatants.

We were supports in the previous meta.

D/P SA was a support build. Refuge, stealth rezzes, stripping important boons and interrupting enemies for your team, using blinds.

I mean, we usually rank this as a roaming dps, but thief was assuming a much more supporrting role than mesmer for example.

Honestly, making players recognize the way PvP builds works is not good either, even in the heart of the mist.

There need to be a window appearing on your screen explaining how the PvP build thing works. I get people asking how to set up runes and sigils, or why they can’t use their elite spec because they don’t know about the third slot rules, and more things like that ALL the time.

Highlie.7641:

This thread is hilarious, some of these people are just trying to stroke there own ego.
They just don’t want to admit they are being carried by arena net.

nocta If you really think s/d was the best 1vs1 thief set, i really have to give you the old face palm. It was always d/p, it became closer when they nerfed blinding powder. my god man….

Depends the time period really. S/D was really dominant for a time, but it alwasy lost to D/P fighting themselves obviously.

As far as runes goes, Pack or scrapper runes are pretty good. Daredevil can see some use. Nerfed Vampirism isn’t bad either.

I got a guardian win on my mesmer today too.

Seems like the DragonHunter bias is even stronger than I thought at Arenanet ( Kappa )

Quadox.7834:

yolo swaggins.2570:

Quadox.7834:

How can this be true, when thief has been 95% mandatory Pre HoT, Pre June patch, all throughout 2015 and longer than that as well?

And here is where I lose my patience.

The meta is: have a thief for decap/backcapping and being a pet.

- Being someone’s pet, as in the inability to effectively 1v1 or more, is not a role.
- Doing nothing but backcapping and decapping is absolutely not a valid measure of the profession’s overall effectiveness. It is only a measure of effectiveness on mobility.

Stop using that excuse. It means nothing.

That is why i did indeed state that, If your concern is something else than the meta builds, please CLARIFY in your post. Buffs to alternative playstyles is important to separate from the meta playstyle. The game is ’balanced" around a 5v5 conquest meta. Decaps, stealth for resses and bursts, and chasing down people are all roles the thief has been used for.

Ability to effectively 1v1 is not even close to a prerequisite for being a good class to bring to conquest pvp. Chronomancer is the worst 1v1 meta class on shatter, but can still be very useful. They (thief and mesmer) have been used for +1s, not even fights (which bruisers often excel at.

Of course “measure of effectiveness on mobility” accounts to the overall effectiveness of the class. In fact, it is sa huge part of pvp and one that thief is meant to excel at. There is no excuse. What would i make an excuse for? I support thief buffs/nerfs to other classes. What i don’t support is people spewing lies that don’t contribute in any meaningful way.

roaming dps is on its last leg in the current meta. All the mesmers in recent ESL have been playing bunker alacrity chronos. The only roamer per say is revenant which is an excellent bruiser.

Nemaides.6873:

I’ll have you know that we’ve done the raid at 10 with 4 thieves, and manage to go to the last boss. Then wipe in chain at his feet.

Among the 4 thieves, only 1 guildy and I ran with a condi build like this one http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAoYVn8MBdmitNBGNB0PhlWCzrM0GSRzlwV4LULA0FWAA-TxSAQBU4IAUItAG4BAEQdBMc/Brp+DAOBATSJ4YU61tDBQIVGAA-e
The 2 others were pugs.

Thieves were very welcome at the blue boss for boon stripping on 20sec CD.

Thieves are not needed in raids, but can manage to perform well. Even if other classes can fill the same role, with better sustain, support and all, does not mean we are excluded from it.

Any argument on boon stripping is kinda irrelevant when every raid will want a chrono ( because alacrity being unique to one class was such a good design ) which has passive boon strip on auto attack.

Yeah, we don’t really do anything a revenant can’t do 10 times better for raiding.

I’m almost certain they are working on that but waiting until it’s further in development to talk about it.

It’s really needed, no argument there, I think anyone would agree.

meow one twenty.4376:

Curunen.8729:

Vieux P.1238:

I really don’t feel sorry for thieves. I remember a time when mesmers wher lunch to the thieves 1 & 2 no skill supremacy. & you had them telling off mesmer players to get some skill’s. How the wheel have turned. Hey thieves, get skill’s!

I also don’t feel too sorry for thieves, remembering the time they used to make life hell for glass mesmers.

But now the tables are reversed, and tbh… it’s satisfying.

They’ll get their fixes eventually.

Having said that I do feel a small amount of remorse when I put down thieves, because it is an unfair fight and that’s a shame. Whatever’s happened in the past, balance is more important than personal prejudice.

I’m willing to bet most of the trash talking Thieves are now playing DH. From that I say the current Thieves are worth helping out. Same thing with Warriors, I like the current community much more than I did pre-June 24 patch.

I dunno about that. Maybe for the thieves left after HoT, but a lot of the thief community between the 23rd June and HoT was just pure dramaqueens that wanted the S/D days of being the best 1v1er in the game back.

Little precision, but one of the reason they feel so tanky is also that protection is -40% on them, instead of -33%. And they have a lot of it

Kniff.7150:

How the heck do you guys get the Charged Hammer head? I got an oiled Orichalum hammer head and I have been going to different power points and it doesn’t give me the option. Do you have to be a weaponsmith to charge it?

Go to hero challenge in HoT that are simple communes.

Vault is the new backstab, where people increase the numbers double before talking about it it seems.

Well, you know, you gotta look at it outside of the meta environment. I say it could be a reason why they’re waiting to put them in use. Remember that current meta chrono actually use Power Lock already.

Would really love those to help interrupt thief.
kinda worried they would push Power lock chrono over the top tho.

Gonna be worst for raids.

Power thief is also the only dps getting almost nothing from Adrenals mushrooms which are usable during the encounters.

You probably played with a bunch more than you’d think, it’s just, they usually choose to hide the ArenaNet logo while playing casually.

Also remember that someone being a member of arenanet doesn’t make them someone in charge of anything related to class balance.

Honestly, it’s not even that I find ti too expensive, its just, why bother ? Stronghold is a casual mode, I’m not paying gold to unlock a slightly custom side objective in a game mode I don’t even play much of.

The key to Thief vs thief duels has always been making sure to hit steal for me. If one of the thief miss his steal, he’s in big trouble. Which sometimes require quite a bit of patience.

Right now the staff build or the D/P build are pretty heavy on finding a good time to unload your burst, so try to out play the other thief around this. Evade his burst and secure your own. Don’t rush it, count dodges, count the ennemy steal cooldown, try to know where his initiative stands during the fight.

Dragonhunter traps and longbow skills would be a lot less annoying if they weren’t so hard to see / didn’t bug out their animation/visual clues.

Happens to me pretty often that I get hit by one, try to move away, knockdown myself twice before the thing ever appears clearly.