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Just seen thru the changes to the class. Will have a deeper look later and when it hit I as always update my builds.

Sadly it seems like The Condition Shatter Cat getting hit harder than it deserve. As it look now if this go thru it will be unviable in wvwvw. As I aim on keep al my builds up to date Ic ant reccomend this build and if the confusion 50 nerf land I will delete it form the Shatter Cat Guide.

For signets, who know mabye a new build later will fill the condition builds slot Also, Moa seem to get a buff, will keep a eye at it.

/Osicat

Nice vid, that said.

High lvl tPvP or 1 vs 1 duels in spvp is mabye 1-2 % of the player base. The rest (wvwvw, Pve, dungeons pve, custom spvp etc) you dont see phantasm mesmer dominating even if it not a unviable spec. This is why ppl dissagree when you say everyone converting to phantasm. When you say that you talk out of your own perspective where a few % of the player base is found.

Again, GS shines in mesmer vs mesmer you claim. This is correct in sertan situations. 1 vs 1 where the GS is phantasm spec and battlefield is set. Say 1 vs 1 on graveyard in the spvp map where the GS is phantasm spec. But in open world wvwvw where the shatter mesmer can chose situation and terrain the mele shatter will have a advantage due to range, gear scaling and LOS. Add a few pillars to los around and you see a big dissadvantage for GS.

/Osicat

You got some good answerers already, most come down to understand the mecanics. Il add my shatter tutorial for the burst combo setup. Enjoy.

/Osicat

penatbater.4710:

alright, so for air, is the 6th rune bonus worth it?

Hehe let me answer your question by this.

See last fight 7:30 and notice the crit dmg of the proc. Now consider its on a warrior. Imagine what It would done to a 12 k BS thief. I had 6,5k + crits after the nerf last year. also its 1 every 10 sec so its a huuuuuge dmg bonus compared to a few extra stats.

/Osicat

jerryfingers.6273:

Osicat.4139:

Hi, my latest build Shatter Cat Mist is designed just for what you ask, a solo/smal group flexible build. Feel free to read the text guide aswell for the shatter cat guides.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9wISv7079c

/Osicat

Im waiting for the traits/gear/rune setup for the new mist build. When will you post it?

The whole Shatter Cat guide is now updated. Al 5 builds including Shatter Cat Mist got gear and build links + al 5 builds are up to date.

Enjoy

/Osicat

@ MAJOR UPDATE @**

I just updated the whole guide. Al 5 builds. The guide is more compact now and in the links you find not only build but also gear, runes and sigils. Adding food later.

Also, Shatter Cat Most 2.0 is now a part of the core guide and set as the reccomended roaming build.

Romaing bulids:

Original, Mist

Group fight builds:

Heavy, Condition Hybrid

Zerg fight builds

Hybrid with GS,(adding) Condition with flamour (adding) Hevay.

Pve builds

Hybrid or Mist

Spvp

Hybrid, mist, heavy

/Osicat

I would say door number 3

-Staff – Sword+ x
Power crit toughness (1300-1500+) toughness.

You soon find that staff as a compliment to power/crit builds make you so much more flexible on the field.

/Osicat

@Cempa, as the class look today my oppinion is that for solo or smal team roaming a direct dmg or hybrid is alot stronger than condition setup. As a condition mesmer your enemy can aleays chose to not use abilitys and run, your other conditions are not strong enought to force him down. As a * 2.0 Mist * mesmer you can not only chase down enemys you can also burst down almost anything you encounter.

In this our class are different from say enginers, who can stack long time condition burning and same time inta put up confusion in large stacks. Making the build effective for solo roaming.

As it look now in my oppinion, if you interested in condition dmg, setup a team of 7-12 ppl and marry a necro. Alternative have a look at Kylias glamor spec and melt worlds.

/Osicat

jerryfingers.6273:

Osicat.4139:

Hi, my latest build Shatter Cat Mist is designed just for what you ask, a solo/smal group flexible build. Feel free to read the text guide aswell for the shatter cat guides.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9wISv7079c

/Osicat

Im waiting for the traits/gear/rune setup for the new mist build. When will you post it?

At work atm, so later tomorow after I slept. But the gear is al in the vid, so is runes and sigils. Traits are same as normal Shatter Cat Mist

/Osicat

Hi, my latest build Shatter Cat Mist is designed just for what you ask, a solo/smal group flexible build. Feel free to read the text guide aswell for the shatter cat guides.

/Osicat

@Estarioll, so fun you ask this today. I been working hard last weeks with find a more viable flexible Mist spec who work better in pve and for more sitautions in wvwvw. Its now done and in my oppinon its the biggest uppdate for The Shatter Cat Guide in months. The new Shatter Cat Mist is spot on, havent enjoyed a sec so much in wery long time.

@RubySwan, Hi mate, must give you and the necro alot of credit thu for a fantastic defense of that camp. What you faced was the new Shatter Cat Mist. Cheers mate and GG, impressed by your gameplay.

@Dognuts, Ty alot of those kind words. I keep uppdate the guide. Now I have some hard work with uppdate the text guide the comming weeks.

@UPPDATE@***

New Build, text guide incomming.

/Osicat

Kylia and Pyro.

Just wanted to thank you mates. The late night discussion when I was rather tipsy after our podcast you and pyro inspired me to the changes to my playstyle and setup. On this I created a build who borrowed some of both your gameplays and pyros defensive setup with retailation and high survival. I also managed to keep The Shatter Cat Mist extremly strong mobility and high burst.

Enjoy the outcome

/Osicat

@Dognuts, It work wery wery well for spvp I noticed, change runes for divinity or the one who shorten condition uptime (melo… something), use powerstack sigil, 5% crit chance and fire aoe.

This setup is totaly lovley for point flipping and roaming in spvp. You be like a shadow of death and most ppl take aonther target to try focus down when they cant catch you.

/Osicat

Tou can reach some silly dmg using dazzling tbh, you must remeber that you DO trade out your survival thu. You need to be on your toes al time to not get nuked.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BnM3spSyjEI

/Osicat

Hi Guardians.

My name is in game and forums is Osicat, I manage the popular mesmer video and text guide who is sticky on mesmer forums. I could be useful in this thread.

First, exclude al discussions regarding who beat who in a 1 vs 1 situation and you find that the classes fill totally different roles in wvwvw. Some classes have builds who let em in pairs or solo roam around the world and harass/cap. Others like Guardians have extremely strong group combat ability’s. The rate you can ress friendly downed is a gamebraker in group fights, the frontline value you deliver is inreplacebal.

For the 1 vs 1 combat its important to undeerstand the Messmer class. What mesmer have that often name us OP is not that we are better than al other classes in a specific role, its the fact we can fulfill nearly al roles (exept pve condition dps) if we specc for it.

This mean there are builds who will focus mainly on support or big group fighting, example glamour mesmers. This builds give up their 1 vs 1 or smal combat capabilitys in favour for stroger and more valid group combat. If you as a guardian run and catch one of this players moving alone you have a extremly big advantage and the question “Can a guardian beat a Mesmer in 1 vs 1” is a singing YES!

Problem you often not know what specc/build the mesmer have untill you encounter him/her. There are some tricks, if he carry 2 swords he most likley a direct dmg roamer. A scepter user will focus on conditions etc.

What happens from time to time thu when I roam on my mesmer is that I run into a guardian in open field, or some evenings in the Dueling events a guardian who by alot classes sees as unbeateal challange me. Now the situation is different. I play a shatter roaming mobility build (so do most roaming mesmers) and play it well.

For this setup there is no real counter as a guardian. Some builds can create more preassure but die to bursts, some survive longer but go down aswell. The problem is that a shater mesmer have nearly unlimited stunbrakers and mobility moves. No matter what blinds,immobilices or jumps you use a shatter mesmer wont take dmg or get locked down.

If this is unfair? I would say no as guardians have roles and things you can do that a mesmer cant, no mesmer will be as strong as a guardian in ressing ppl in the frontline as a example. We cant reach your tank setup even if we do ok tanks etc.

I add 2 videos to take into consideration when judging guardians abilitys to lock down a mesmer.

First a burst build: First fight and 3:59 is vs guardians.

Second video is more interesting. It show a hammer gardian the class seen as a enemy to mesmers, he fairly tanky aswell. Notice mobility: Fight start at 2:56

Ty for listening

/Osicat

@Ucaton, no havent experienced that before, I often straif left or right same time as I use utilitys etc, especialy cased ones like phantasm or mass invis you realy want to be moving while cast.

@Jackums, 2 things to take into consideration. If you use a GS you want more survival stats than if you do if you use a Staff so not realy a problem. Also you can chose to use pure Berserker accended amulets/earring than the one who have +18 vitality to compensate some lost precision. Swap 2 zerker + 18 vit for 2 pure zerker and you go 36 + prec – 36 vit. The extra toughness I tink you might need.

/Osicat

BartBacardi.5371:

Jemmi.6058:

SirusDibley.3716:

3428 power
1900 toughness
46% crit chance
81% crit damage
310 condi damage.
15k HP

How did you get 1500 more power than me? :|

I higly doubt this is possible. That amount of Power + Crit damage you can only get with Berserker gear. But then you will have around 900 toughness not 1900. 1900 toughness is possible with Knights gear but then you won’t get that much power. I think 2800-3000 is max then with Knights gear.

He might looking at the x ed swords (attack power in total) not the power as a stat, so weap dmg is added to it. + he might have 25 power stacks added. Still I agree it sound weard, easiest is for him to just post a screenie.

Anyway, here is my stats in Shatter Cat Mist setup, note thu, stacks are full on this.

/Osicat

Hi.

Its not spvp but for thiefs its the same abilitys etc so i add my wvwvw thief vid I posted last night here.

It give a good idea what abilitys I use when i fight thiefs. Its only 4:40 min long vid but after watch thru the filming of 20 duels verssu accended geared theifs they al loked the same so I cut down to 3 where I feel the mobility and counter show best.

Some things who might be missed, notice the timings, ecpecialy on immunitys. This is WERY important. like protection/agis and stealths. Alwyas have chaos armour/boonimmune etc up when a bs incomming.

Go to 0:30 notice how the protection/mass invis clipping so when 1 stop next come etc. Those timing keep you alive, keep rotate defenses when dmg extected to be incomming etc.

Another, 2:09 – 2:15, immunity up, no reason to dodge, and do a dodge just as immunity end to prelong the survival.

/Osicat

I would like to point in that there is alot of ppl who dont hate Thiefs but rather see them as one of the more interesting classes to play versus.

To be able to play versus a good thief like Robert H say you need to know the class moves and abilitys. When you do this it become like a good battle between 2 fencers, you try to precipitate hes move to counter what you not see comming but expect.

With many love to the thiefs i encounter in wvwvw I add this vid, show why I find thiefs so interesting to battle.

/Osicat

@Avdima, LOS=Line of sight. Good example is to get a smal house between you and a enemy, he can now not shoot at you. your clones and phantasm hit him, then you cast a leap at him. The clone will leap around the house, then you swap and blink to him do a burst.

@ Uppdate @*****

New Video. Some of the common moves I use facing Thiefs in 1 vs 1 situations. dodge/leap/blink into the HS, participate the moves to dodge things you dont see but know comming. Enjoy

Build is Shatter Cat Mist, vs the shortbow p/d thief I use a focus.

/Osicat

@Varzul, legendary is maily looks, take one of the weps you like to use, then go for legendary. Personaly I would do anything sor a proter Rapier sword, in my oppinion the perfect mesmeer look is of the musketeers with a dual Rapiers or rapier/pistol.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/chopper20000/TheThreeMusketeer-TheQueensDiamonds1973.jpg

@Glitch, The stunbraking is not the main problem with the two classes you present, its the controll. In 1 vs 1 situation atm in spvp (not wvwvw) a phantasm mesmer is among the hardest enemys you can face, another extremly hard is the condition/burn enginer. Lucky not many fights in spvp is true 1 vs 1unless you set up a duel. In the messier normal situations you have so extreme mobility you can dance around in the chaos and focus this two classes down. For shatter GS mesmers its just about build preassure and stay close. They dont want you close so be close to them, juke out when needed only.

In a 1 vs 1 situation the best you can do is range juke, use your daze alot and immobilice after. You mention of experementing with shatter rotation show you took the fighting a step longer and thats fantastic, now next time try start with a daze shatter, hit leap and shatter, then stealth, spawn a phantasm and leap again. Rotate your shatters in mixed orders.

Also use LOS to leap around objects, can catch even the best player in suprice this way.

Hope it help a little, bets way is find good dueling partners of classes you have problem with. Also remember the differences between wvwvw and spvp, some builds are due to gear scaling and mecanics stronger in spvp than in wvwvw and some are it reversed. Phantams mesmer is one of those.

/Osicat

@Varzul, To the last question, yes it get better. As soon you hit 40 you will regenerate so many clones you dont need to treat your phantasm with so much resspect. 1 hit is totaly fine, its a hybrid build os thought is to get a big punch out of te phantasm then shatter it. Also as its a hybrid for some situations you can use the phantasms for supressive fire or just build preasure. For some bosses you can have 3 up and do superb dmg.

To get maximum effect out of a hybrid spec you need to play it as flexible and situational as possible. Its only weakness is some survival but that can be balanced with gear and reactions.

Opening, see start of the burst here, but again situational flexibilityis best:

/Osicat

@All, been a little absent latley due to work. Back now.

@Pizzel, Mist is tthe fastest, iyt can outrun most opponent and keep pace with frienlys. A fdocus in bag solve fails with blink aswell for long travel.

@Boni, Lyssa is great and use for my support/glamour setup sometimes even if for full glamour I use undead. The other 2 have extemly interesting setups. Sadly we stuck with Air/centaour to be viable in wvwvw due to our lack of a class on demands swiftness. Its one of the few “non flexible” things with mesmers.

@ZudetGambeous, will see what I can sort in future. I made the glamour vid recently, might intersest you:

@Lanny, ty and cheers

/Osicat

Hahah YAK, idd fantastic fight, cheers alot from <Judge>for al fun last evening.

Mesmers escape skills and mobility is one of the games strongedt, we have amazing trolling abilitys, safe stomp metods and enought dmg / survival to take on most situations.

/Osicat

loseros.5912:

Jacky Nipper.3846:

jaker.3256:

hope you like
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB-QcZTahGQ

hope you are joking….

He’s not joking, he’s totally serious. That’s the real problem.

Hopefully outsiders said it, not me.

Just watch any other videos, they all suck hard xD

Ppl give em some peace, its just the BB version of

But with less tactic and worse music.

<3 Gandara

/Osicat

@Bow to OdS for a respectfull and nice answer on my vid, some ppl take things wrong and get upset when they end up opn a video, instead you ty for a good fight.

Encountered you guys several times on my romaing runs as we kinda share playstyle with smal team / solo roaming and zergsurfing, so far everyone of those encounters been a good fight.

/Osicat

@ Orden de Sombras " brotherhood of shadows" hi guys, just realiced you staring on one of my movies. Look at 3:35+ Guild of thiefs. <3

/ Judge Osicat " One of the 12 judges"

For ppl about the duels, just join [TDS], then come and join the fun. Usualy a event a few nights /week.

About the hacker, suggestion, lets have a “catch the evil hacker event”. Make a team of 2 gandara 2 ag and a bb. Then work as a team al servers, catch him, printscreen and repport. Sound fun? (;

@Solomo, tbh y play great, ty for fun duels.

/osicat

Daftendirekt.5280:

Funny excuses for justify so many cowardness. Gank in 3 guardians a single player show only that u’re empty of charisma. Anyway keep the fun 3on1! Wanna see 1on1 what u do, fingerless nabs :P

Mate you look at it wrong, 3 guardians is a fantastic time to challange yourself, I would see it as a challange and do my best to troll/beat em.

Had a lovely 25 min fight 3 vs 1 versus sme AG in BB borderland last night, ty alot fr great fun if you 3 read this, I was the mesmer you started fight on the smal island on mid of lake and keep fighting on the beach. Lovely battle, dont remeber your guild but it was a guardian, engi and ranger.

/Osicat

Hi Amadeus / Dustbringer! ;D We discussing you and your class in Kylias and Pyros latest Mesmer pod.

/Osicat

@Sebrent, cant get myself to like mantras, I like the instant cast but the acctive rechargching dissrupt the flow of the fight. Also to switch in a mantra of pain I need to drop another utility, in my opinion even with high dmg a mirror immage is bigger burst dmg utility + a stunbraker than mantra of pain for example.

Still I sure mantra can be viable, I just dont like the style.

Uppdate

Podcast with Osicat: http://sittingonacouch.com/the-gw2-mesmer-podcast-mesmerized-ep-3-osicat-the-shattercat-mesmer/

/Osicat

Uppdate

The Youtube guide just hit 1010+ suscribers. Ty alot for your intererest, I do my best to keep provide interesting mesmer updates.

/Osicat

@Sebrent, there is two easy ways to inprove your existing spec to handle coditions better if you feel you have a need for it.

1: Change food to -40% condition uptime, 70 vitality.

2: Change staff signet to signet of generosity.

I use both when I duel condition players or I feel there is a lot of condition roamers around atm. Still in the Mist spec the mobility give you a fantastic protection versus condition players.

/Osicat

@Mobilejunkey, The phantasm hybrid is fantastic in dmg point of wiev for Dungeons and fractals, so is the heavy/mist but they do a little less dmg in trade of some better survival and support (more chaos storms). Pesonaly I use Mist with more zerker gear and for some bosses a GS with great ressult.

The condition build do less dmg in my oppinion and not as viable for dungeons.

/Osicat

@Kylia & Pyro. Ty alot for your work on the pod and with the builds. Love the q&a.

Aftr our talk on mumble other day I accualy went to try your Glamour build Kylia, It was wery fun idd even if I prefere the reflection on focus when I play support/glamour. Also I do alot of noob misstakes you see in the vid I link

I add the ressult: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_KRD4qfSGc

/Osicat

Big big love to the Gandara Morning roamers and especialy the FRI commander and team who gathered what smal forces gandara had to fight back the BB timewave.

Enjoy some hectic fighting and heroic moments.

Gandara <3

/Osicat – Judge

@Uppdate, last morning the normal oaming I do in smal team was impossible due to heavy zerg puch on Gandara, what else to do than strap on Glamour, join the few friendly forces we had and fight to death

/Osicat

@Shimmerless, tbh it depends on if its spvp or wvwvw, in wvwvw I had several 10-12+k mindwrack setups bursts in vuln stack build.

Support my words with a vid of my own.

/Osicat

BillyGoatsGruff.4695:

The point of this thread was to say that the mesmers can apply to many stacks of confusion to fast.

Tbh Engineers apply confusion about as fast as we do and in bigger chunchs (5 instant + 5 instant + other conditions + 2) 12 stacks of confusion instant. Some of the hardest candition duels I had was versus Drakeco Dustslinger, have a look.

/Osicat

@Chipmunko, as drakeco mention in the end our duels are wery even, hes beeing noble when he say I win more tham hin I would guess 50/50 even if soem days are better for me and some better for him.

To fight condi ele you want reflections, it totaly make their head in as alot of their hits are ranged. The 2 big confusion stackers are mele and instant thu so be ready to immune in mele range. The pull need to be dodged after u got tagged by the line.

Thats 3 good tipps.

/Osicat

Npnp, main reason The shatter cat guide exist is for us mesmers to help eachother out.

Note this is my oppinion and based on fexebility and playstyle, i sure others have other ideas about whats correct and they are as correct as I am but here we go:

Trating I use now and that I feel is most optimal for both wvwvw and pve dungeons

http://tinyurl.com/cyjj4c4

Its the most build, What I do for dunegeons I swap to feedback nullfield and time warp, I drop manupilation cd in favour for 3% dmg lesser / clone and I use berzerker rings and assesorys. I also carry a GS for some bosses.

/Osicat

@Seabhac, hope this canhelp a little. Its the mobility and shatters setup.

Portal solo tactics and movment:

enjoy

/Osicat

Just want to bumb the amazing videos Dustslinger doing for the Engiforums. Been helping him on find good conters and he brakeing down the mesmer skills.

/Osicat

With love to Gandara guilds and enemy. A vid edited and taken by our support mesmer in lats nights fights.

/Osicat <Judge>

@Flowers, just tetsed the links and al work for me, try again Mist build : http://tinyurl.com/cyjj4c4

@Raiz, I do feel so, even got a staff guardian with accended gear and defensive speccing down in a duel other day. I duel alot fo D/D,s and I must say the change to leep (6 sec cd) is a fantastic tool. Its most often the whole reason you win vs a d/d, u land your immobilices. Thing is they have alot of healing etc but not many cripple brakers, so you milk those out of em, and justa s they turn form water attunment you cripple again and burst.

10-20-10-0-30 sould reasonable hybridich setup, try and tell how it worked for you.

/Osicat

Another vid of another setup (Shatter Cat original), its less optimal for fight thiefs as original dont have protection or sword block. So here you se me use some other ways to fight those sneeky things.

Hope it help some.

/Osicat

PS If you done have rune of air already go get it, 6/6 rune of air take 50% hp of a burst thief, See first fight in this vid:

Hi mate.

Thiefs and mesmers will always be like 2 wildcats when we meet in the world. One will die or flee. There is several ways to manage em thu depending on your build and weapons. Mostly are sadly for a shatter mesmer reaction based and the one who know the opponent,s class and gamestyle best + hes own will win + a little bit of luck is invovlved (rng on crits, unexpected procs etc)

For the setup you use I suggest try get aonother 10 into 0-20-20, if you going versus burst thiefs, This will give you protection when you hit 75% and 33 less taken dmg. Also I dont know what weps you use but the backstab can be avoided with a sword 2 block.

Best tip I can give is duel alot. I duel so many tiefs, and it still best practice ever. Find a realy good one, one who kick u kitten tim afte time, kep duel him and sooner or later yolearn whats hurt most. Also when you face lesser skilled thief and fought a pro for 3 hours you notice big difference.

This vid I link is a tutorial ment for Shatter Cat, it do thu show almot only fights versus thiefs after 1st min,s tutorial section. I can reccomend the mobility part for fight em thu.

Gj.

/Osicat

Personaly I dont want another 2 h weapon, I rather see as other mentioned another of our OH to get a simmilar MH. Pistol would be best as this would lets us by 30 points in dueling get cd down on both s/s and P/P.

/Osicat

***Uppdate***

I get alot of questions about the Mist spec, more and more ppl wonder how it work in bigger fights and not only 1 vs 1/ 1 vs 2 combat.

Made a video of the spec in Group combat situations.

Enjoy

/Osicat