Guild Wars 2

Carkara.1846:

Before the last patch to win a fight against a thief was about poping your clones and stacking confusing + crippling + interrupts .. always been a hard figth but far from impossible..

However with the patch a well played thief will keep spaming blind, dodge and stealth therefore it is very difficult to keep the clone production at any reliable rate….

So, I’m sorry mate but if you want to kill a thief you better roll one or a guradian, mesmer are still a good class against regular players that can’t identify the mesmer, but any abore average player will kill a mesmer regardless of profession.

My guess is that you are a phantasm mesmer , dont do claims like this without al facts correct. Atm shatter mesmers produce clones like a gattling cannon but I see where you comming as I fought a phantasm mesmer last night who dint get a phantasm out for 1 min min while I killed hes friend.

overall I still claim thiefs can be killed, even good ones. Il add a smal thief section in my next vid posted today. Adding straegys etc in the post when I post video.

/Love Osicat

@ Monztor. Hi, so glad you like the build. You not the first that ask about conditions, mainly cause you with 12 stacks of confusion and 8 stacks of might get extremy nice condition dmg.

Thing is I dont see conditions as anything else than bonus, the reason I chose knight and valkyre for the defensive parts is that they both provide the stats this spec burst is based on. Crit and Crit dmg. Conditions just is a bonus, they dont burst and can be clensed. Also they tend to create a more " on target" playstyle and kittenter cat ( why do my build name get censured?) builds whole defense is based juking and dmg avoidance its not optimal.

As I mentioned earlier I on demand I tryed a alernative shatter cat with a bit more survival, I got some nice matereal and film will be up tomorow. I have thu now changed back to original spec as I find it more effective and dont realy have any survival issues even in 1 vs x.

If you want to try rampager feel free to post your ressults later mate.

/ Osicat

Parthis.2091:

Oh Osi, I thought you were smarter than this. I’ll be sure to tell you on Teamspeak tonight.

Learning to deal with huge, often unseen burst doesn’t mean it’s balanced. It means you have learnt to deal with it. Every single poster in this thread will have screenshots of their combat log showing Full HP to dead in less than a second. The best part is that it doesn’t require effort or skill on the part of the thief. You could be the best Mesmer in the world, but if you don’t get that one ability off in that tiny amount of time, you’re done for. Reverse that and bad Mesmers are bad, and have no chance of beating a good thief. That is unbalanced.

And secondly every person here saying “I have no problem with thieves! l2p!” is missing the point. 1v1 everyone has a chance. Mess up and you’re dead. OK, fine, it’s a kittene combat system if that’s valid, but fine. But how many fights are toe to toe, 1v1 and fair? Very few.

Yes Mesmers can burst a player down in a couple of seconds, but in order to do so i’ll be running at you, clear as day, and there’s 4 of me. It’s visible, counterable, and trackable.

Being nuked by a enemy you can’t see, where the only advice is “press this button that may be on cooldown within .3 of a second or you’re dead and it’s your fault” is a poor community message for new Mesmers.

Pro-tip; we’re not the only class complaining about this. Unbalanced is unbalanced, whether you’ve personally got the reactions to deal with it or not.

And before the pro-mesmer-elistest crowd roll in; I also have videos shredding thieves. Here’s the deal; no one posting videos wants to show you 10 minutes of all the 1v1 thief fights they lost.

L2 not work al time and come and discuss tis aspect of op, lets take up paladins unability to block sheer and how My bh owned your assasin 24/11 <3

tis moutch fun

/osicat

Idd agree on that call for nerfs is justified if you have good argument, what I am comming at is the fact that alot of ppl hide behind a feeling of inbalance. Instead of try to fight and learn, or even take advice from ppl trying to help they give up, shut down and call for nerfs. Some times its accualy possible to find ways to fight back and in the thiefs part I am of the oppinion that with enought practice and some skill its possible for mesmers to in many cases beat even a skilled thief.

Now I do think the messmer community is fantastic in the way we accualy help eachother out and ppl dare to ask questions in threads or guides without some eletistic prick call them noob etc. I would love to keep thif forum like that and encourage al new mesmers to if you have problems with x class, build etc, ask the community for help.

If the burst aspect of pvp is fun or not is a whole other situation and as a shatter mesmer with 20k+ burst I cant say im totaly innocent eather. I totaly prefere find a solo fight in some abandoned forest in wvwvw vs a equaly skilled player of x class, but I wont say I dont enjoy find 2-3 less skilled players and burst 2 down and chase down the last with a big grin on my face .)

/osicat

Yeah Nublakhan, some enmys is a bit trickier than others for this spec, it is thu one of the most flexible specces especialy for wvwvw but also for sPvP, out there. There is no real “hard counter” for us thu but condition tend to cause more problems. My tip is to juke alot and deliver dmg in massive bursts, when enemy is low/mid and u got cd,s MOA then burst. Also never stay and fight unless condition remover avable.

/ osicat

On demand Im experementing a little with a “Shatter cat” setup with a little more survival at the cost of ~15% dmg. It works and will have a moive in short for those who feel they are to squishy in the original setup. I must thu say I personaly prefere the full dmg setup.

What I trying to change, 2 knight gear parts extra, lost trait of 3% dmg/clone in favour for reflection of disorsion some food change.

Mind thu this is not the build I will use in the comming, I will stay with the burst spec I tend to favour, but the survival focused build do some crasy stunts I give it that. Also Its nice to give ppl who want to play after the “shatter cat” but feel they dont want to play full glass a option.

Video in short.

/Osicat

thb a single mesmer running towards a group will make them worry, after the 10th time a player got killed by portal attack he will fear it to happen a 11th time. Last night I was ganking groups of 5-15 players with a 5 man team and me running as bait or just blink up to them. After a while the french ppl got afraid every time they saw a little azura mesmer run towards them.

What Ppl in this thread need to deccide is what rhis thread purpose is. Atm its 50% ppl who just whine and basicly call for a nerf to this and that. This post is irrelevant and dont bring anything to the community in form of help etc. Then there is a group of players who say they can and foubd ways to deal with thiefs, but the first group is not interested in this as they rather see nerfs than learn ways to handle named situation. And ofc there in this kind of threads is a fuhre pure trolls ofc but as long they subtile and good at trolling I dont mind.

What I would like to see is for those who .accualy after learn ways to handle thiefs get som solid questions and take advice of the ppl who post films, tricks and guides etc how to handle them thiefes. Also practice is NEVER wrong, Nero told he practice often vs a high ranked tournie thief, not 1 single player who then in the comming 20 posts accualy wanted to hear this, they rayher whine for nerfs.

anyway, gl on the mesmering, nice that you filmed some thiefs battles flips, I regulary try do same, its tricky thu ad if they do a misstake they die so fast its kinda non interesting film and if they are good its become like in the last videoguide I posted a loooong fight.

Can reccomend anyone who struggle thiefes to see that part again, latest video guide last fight.

/ osicat

Ty al for the support, its so easy to do this as the community is so lovely. Feel free to keep post any questions reguarding wvwvw kittenter mesmer and i try andwer. Feel free to criticise if anyting you miss etc.

Caught some nice fotage today from medium group pvp and might have a good mini guide for how to be effective in groups etc later.

/osicat

I been running into some other mesmers from (FR) vizunah this morning and If anyone read this I must say i almost feel sorry for film but the phantams spec is so weak now vs a shatter mesmer. Was 2 vs 1 a mesmer and a thief and in a 1,5 min fight the mesmer didnt get 1 phantasm out.

See this chain and try throw a phantasm out. 2 sec sword (immune to phantasm, dodge (immune again) 4 sec disorsion (immune) dodge again (immune) and now sword off cd… 2 new sec etc etc

I not sure how arena going to fix it but atm shatter mesmer deffo i a hard counter to phantasm mesmers.

Seems like a solid build mate and Fun to see ppl in the community accualy theorycraft new ways to play instead of dig themself down after GS got nerfed.

Have you thought of use “vigor to you and allys on shatter”? Would grant nice survival with close to perma dodge + clone generation due to vigor on crits with 89% crit chanse + vigour on shatters.

Hi all.

Fist before I start a mini Q/A Osicat session I want to thank all for the support and interest in find new ways to play mesmers. Its so mutch (see what I did there) more fun and constructive to see questions and ppl trying to find solutions on problems or ways to improve than the rant qq posts that pop up from time to time.

Owerall Mesmer community seem to be one of the nicer with alot of helpfull players etc.

@Kwak, The tooltip say so idd now, seem thu be a typo as I been roaming alot today to try it out. I can say for sure that I stun ppl with the first hit, even have screens and video of it.

@Xavi. Lightning do idd do a little more dmg, about 30% more in the test I done, but as soon as tour target have a pet or it more than 1 target you risk have the proc on wrong target. Say you hit a mesmer with sword 2, you crit both him and hes clone, lightning hits clone and burst wasted. Say now istead you have fire, the aoe hit both the mesmer, hes clone/clones and poetsnialy the player on the ground he trying to res. It also is extremy stronh for 3 target nuking as al MW already hit al targets, u sword 2 hit al targets and ofc your sigil. Not to mention portal bombing with 10 players, al jump our hit al the have in a time warp, al thise aoe + 10 x sigil of fire kill most stuff, then portal back again.

@Coldviper Thats one of the reasons rune of air is used, each heal give swiftness, also in combo with staff 2 (mark a rabbit behind you and hit 2 for extra blink), blink and the focus you have in your bag to swap out in long runs use swift and back again to staff I keep blinking and swiftness mowing al the time. I even catch up with ppl quite often in chases to land a pistol stun.

@Pitola, stay calm, pistol is fine (;

You sure about this? reason I ask is that I hit a elementalist yesterday that jumped from a platform to another and in mid air got stunned and fell like a rock, was extremly amusing.

Anyway, il look into it but to answer your sword 2 question, you use sword skill 3 to land sword 2 and your burst. then you eather hut the perfect combo with distratction and cry n same burst or save them, end the attack with a distraction (shatter 3) staff 2 and reattack with cry.

Shatter specc is not in anyvway as affected by the phantasm generation change. I also by some use of stunns distraction, cripple etc nerly always get my Iwarlock and duelist out, then ofc after 1 st attack I shatter them.

I dont say al have to be shatter spec or that even the shatter spec is the only viable way, not long ago we were a minority that overcomplicated the class and destroyed the fantastic phantasms that ppl saw as the source of renegation, dmg and condition. Who knows soon somone find a way that works fantastic for them that not alot of ppl play and wirk well with bew game changes,

In general, I played MMOs for 8+ years, I have always sticked to 1 class and adaped to whatever changes they throw at us, sometimes I have totaly changed playstyle etc. Its about exprement constantly.

Think they said it best in 300

- our nerfs wil darken the sky
- then we will fight in the shadow.

/osicat

Im sure this posetive attitude will anoy some ppl but I think its alot more effective to adapt and find ways that work thean go al depressed by every change. Mmo,s change al tine. Its about swim thru a river not thru a lake.

Sure Vexrm, Il do my best try explain.

First of al it might be good to know that 90%+ of the times I end up in a siege in offensive or defensive side Its with the guild wvwvw team. When im solo or in a 5 ich man team I prefere to roam, hit camps, dollyaks and speed hit enemy siege equipment and portal out.

Offensive siege: Here before you start think of al ways to do dmg to ppl on a wall you have to think of your class strenths and weaknesses. What we do super good, better than any other class is transport big gropus of players, clear big stacks of conditions and speed warp entire strike teams INCLUDING golems. We can alos pull pll idd and do mediocre dmg to enemys at a wall. We have a good reflective bubble thu.

So how do your offensive bennefit most from its mesmers.

1: transport golems to a door from a far away camp, 3 mesmers can get a golem to an door so fast they dont have time to react to the siege, then you chain 3 time warps and door down.

2: transport supply runs, 5-10 ppl supported by 2-3 mesmers can get from the ongoing siege to a supply camp and back with supplys for another pair of catapults or rams faster than any other team.

3: utility defense, use your feedback and null field and chaos storm to support the golems/rams ppl at the door to less the heat they get.

4: Time warp, as soon enemy do a push on your siege equipment drop a time warp on your team and you side get a huge advantage. same when door go down, if they wait for your drop a feedback on them and then a time warp on your team.

5: Focus pulls, If some ppl gather on a cliff or wall and harassing your siege back off untill out of combat, warn u mates you gona pull and blink in, pull a staxk of ppl down and u team gank them.

Defense in a siege.

1: Only class that can get ppl in to defend a tower from behind. get a team to run off wall, 1-2 messmers folow and they portal sprint back with supplys and you jump down and portal them in. Suddenly you got supply for repairs.

2: Portal attacks on siege. gather 10-15 friendly players, drop 2 portals (2 mesmers) run to wall on side of siege, get thief stealth, then jump down, start run, blink use mass stealth and land on enemy catapults/trebs. hit 1 st portal, other mesmer hit time warp, conut to 3 drop escape portal. let al 15 get out of portal unleash time warped aoe and 5-7 sec later hit escape portal and woala you broken mabye the whole siege or atleast alot of expensive siege equipment.

3:Normal defense with chaos field, feedback and gs nr 2 + shatter 1. Find a pile of enemy, throw Gs nr 2 , hit shatter 1 , swap to staff, throw chaos field on the group and when they now try kill you feedback them. Got alot of kills this way.

That should cover some of te basic stuff I do in group wvwvw siege warfere. Hope it help some mate.

/Love Osicat

Shatter in wvwvw, portal, blink and mirror immage, al 3 is core of the build. Elite I say timewarp for wvwvw as you often run with atleast 1 friend and the bennefit get dubbeled. Also good for snowball staff clones or just stomps.

sorry but this post dont bring anything helpfull to the forums and is just whine, il repport it.

Pls ppl, if anyone have any solid problems and wonder how to improve, make a question and try listen to advice, so many great mesmers that can help you if you prepared to listen and work on find a solution. I am no super tPvP mesmer but Il answer any real questions reguarding shatter spec in wvwvw in my thread. feel free to ask and I try help. For tPvP etc I recomend ask Nero, he seem like a nice guy and prob spend as mouch time in that as I do in wvwvw. He have a own thread aswell.

awww Blythepiper haha (: atleast it was not over your keyboard I hope. Reminds me of when I tryed drink coffee play wvwvw and anwer my phone, ended up sneesing over teamspeak and blow coffee al over my phone.

Cheers Shadowdeamon. Il keep work on it, alot more to do and I try improve when I have time. Have so many plans of videos I would like to do but need to prioritice. work crazy atm with several 24 h shifts latley.

Personaly I take what vulnerability I get from sword clones and staff clones as a bonus. In a fight my dmg is wery wery spiky and dont get so long stacking done. 1 burst, out, then nibbeling some if needed and then in for new burst and enemy usualy down if it even come to a second. Difference is ofc a big pve fight vs a boss but then I let others build hat for me.

For the illusion I dont use 10% crit, it is in my oppinion a weak trait compared to the two fantastic traits opptions. 1: 3% dmg / clone, just a fantastic trait as it affect al your dmg inc mindwrack. 2 reset shatters at 50% hp, getting heat? Insta new disorsion and distraction.

Retaliation on cry is solid trait, I use it from time to time but noticed that things die often so fast I dont get alot out from it, and when im in fight I often have immunity up or enemy stunned, crippeled etc. Also you in defensive stance already have retaliation of chaos storm etc.

Nero play high lvl tournament, I play wvwvw where there is no high lvl place but I play it alot and kinda sure I do ok. To call ppl trying to giving advice and show there is ways to make it work bad just cause we dont agree the fight is lost premature is as wrong as it would be for us to call ppl with a problem vs thiefs bad instead of help. But sure, again I claim there is many ways to counter thiefs and we dont have a special problem vs em, so guess I need to face facts, I am a bad mesmer ;-)

Working On a weapon section for weapon skills and different tactics involving there. Will cover basic tactics for Staff, sword and pistol.

Will keep you uppdated as soon its done.

Can also reccomend my guide if you want some help find ways to kill thiefs. I cover this in many of my movies, have a 1 vs 1 longer fight in end om my latest movie aswell.

Guide (several movies about thiefs in it):

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/guide-WvWvW-Shatter-cat/page/2#post804597

Lates movie with 1 vs 1 thief in end and some other thiefs in 2nd fight

I can only reccomend to read my guide and see some movies. Staff is the core of a shatter build imoa even if I only use it 30% of the acctive time in a fight. Here is a video of staff in wvwvw form my perspective:

this is my guide:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/guide-WvWvW-Shatter-cat/page/2#post804597

Well tbh I kinda sure somone could write a thred like this after faced shatter mesmers like Nero, Flips or me for that sake.

OMG!!!

- I was fighting this warrior and at 90% hp suddenly I got a stun and cripple then BAM I got hit for 20k + dmg and downed by a mesmer jumping out from nowere.

Serious, its not the thiefs that jump in and stay at target thats a problem, they we nuke down as fast as they nuke us but we got more defenses. Its the good thiefs that like us juke in do dmg and juke out tat we should worry about.

I know to some its hard to hear somone say “you can counter and kill thiefs if you do it correct” but dont take it as critisism to your personal game skills. What Nero and I for that sake say is that there is ways to counter thiefs. I for once do it al time in wvwvw, the out of nowere kills is not so many when you start to kow what to look for.

Also 5,754steal 2,826cloak-dagger DISTORTION dont stop there, as soon distorsion its——> Swap to staff, chaos field staff 2 chaos armour etc ect and we on a fight we can handle.

Yes thiefs kill ppl fast, but alos mesmers kill thiefs even faster.

Yes our class is comre complicated than other classes, to do good we need to play smarter but a higher skill cap give room to with higher skill outplay alot of the other classes.

In pve instances totaly ok and good for the team.
In farm events in a zerg we not to good but tbh why would anyone want to do that.
In tpvp we are a fantastic.
In wvwvw …. well as roamers in smal teams or solo we GOD,S, as support to larger group we GOD,S. For sieges we better as support.

For wvwvw trolling big groups we kinda the class invented to do this.

Want to see some movies from smal and big scale wvwvw froma mesmer have alook at the vids in my guide. staff – sword/pistol film at 7:20 give a clue why we are so important for teams in wvwvw

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/guide-WvWvW-Shatter-cat/page/2#post804597

Adding a food and sharpening stone/ oil section aswell in guide.

Ozzi, you never trait for stats, trait for … traits Illusonary persona is the biggest defensive and offensive trait in any shatter build and mabye the best trait in the whole mesmer arsenal. Insta be able to use a dmg shatter, immunity shatter or disorsion shatter without 1st geta clone up is EXTREMLY powerfull on the side of al extra might stacks you get, confusion on enemy and vigour on you.

A full 4 clone MW did 3,6xx x 4 for me today with sword 2 hitting for 5k same time. It also leav might stacks, sigil and rune procs and confusion on target. Pure love the shatter builds.

GL all on mesery

@kyrios, I found the 0-20-20-0-30 be a good alternative in the sPVP static game type, I olay like normal shatter spec with gear in crit and crit dmg. What I do in difference is that i use staff alot more and the chain of chaos field, staff2 and chaos armour in combination with 9% less dmg when clones up make you a good position holder untill help arrives. Also u get alot of renegation of chaos combos. You also deal quite ok dmg and if I been more into sPvP/tPvP I prob used the spec more. I tryed both runes that give renegation and runes of ogrie. Tbh for position holder renegation was best as you get protection more often.

Feel free to experement and work on the build some. illusion 30 and 20 dueling is must have for any shatter spec imoa so we kinda locked there.

/ Osicat

@ cactus, First, dont appologice for your english mate. i have english as a second language and taken me thru school + 4 year of Uni with a dysslexia light so i know spelling is not the message it is its contex that is important

Your questions is wery relevant, the burst is the core of this spec on the side of high mobility and acctive defenses. You want to like a master fenser with a reaper bountce in, do a stab of dmg and then juke out again.

I try to explain how I try, first, ninja attack works, just do the dodge with 2 clones up, the 3 rd is created by your dodge and blow up instant, then your 4 th clone come of staff 2 and if you fast you can get a i lock up at range, let it hit and do another dodge to enemy for a 4 shater cry of frustration. This deliver. 4 × 2 shaters while you dont take single hit.

About the perfect burst there is a wery good guide on tube by a guy calle Xee, in short I dont use decoy so cant do it like him but close.

this is the combo I use.

Try do pistol 4—-> sword 3——> dodge——-> pistol 5 —--> sword 3 —-—> sword 2+shatter 1——-> shatter 3——-> mirror immage——-> shatter 2

after burst go staff, use nr 2 and wola u on distance, enemy is downstate or 10% hp with no cahnce to strike back due to confusion stacks.

its al a extremly fast combo but do ower 20k dmg + give 11-13 stacks of confusion, several bleeds and 8 stacks of might and vigour on yourself.

Try get a good set of berserker gear, when you around 95-101 % crit dmg with food get rest mix of valkyre and knight. Conditions is your enemy as your hp is low. my stats in wvwvw defensive atm is 16800 ich hp and 1150 ich toughtness.

Gl on your pvping / osicat

@Harbinger – Love ppl make this kind of entertaning Videos, alot like I like to do them myself. Thought about add a intro? nwm.

Notice you have good passive survival but mid/low dmg, high toughtness? Also not using shatter f3 so I guess you traded away illusionary persona? Im I right?

anyway, keep up the good work.

PS, About your question regarding 10 mins vids, I found after talked to ppl seeing my vids that 6,30-7,30 is the best length for a vid. Also into should never be longer than 15-17 seconds if you have a intro.

The 0-20-20-0-30 staff – s/p uses 20 p in chaos for staff cd,s and thoughtness. Its a solid defensive shatter build I used in some tPvP and sPvP, its not as fun as 10-30-0-0-30 thu and some enemys give you problem as you simple don thave the burst.

The illusion traits I discuss in my guide, simply fantastic stuff.

I can just reccomend shatter cat vuild for anyone interested in wvwvw shatter spec. Have fantastic ressults with it especialy after patch. The staff fix a few weeks ago and now sword leep fix is making this build alot more jumpy aswell, with some skill you can be just outside reach of ppl while doing hit and runs with burst.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/guide-WvWvW-Shatter-cat

After lvl 40 have a try with my guide Shatter cat. Its extremly fun if you like acctive gameplay. It also in my oppinion make you a better player after a while as you need to be in game mode alot to be effective (cant sleep and play).

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/guide-WvWvW-Shatter-cat/page/2#post786868

Guide ofc is made for wvwvw but I use the build in pve aswell with some chnages to skills depending on what I do.

Video strategy guide for wvwvw:

Here is wht staff pistol/sword combo is so amazing:
Obs dont miss the 7:25 —--> part.

GL on your mesmer and happy you joined your secret ops ranks.

For you who ask, Video is filmed with Fraps in combo with Playclaw, edited in Adobe elements. The music for songs is in the description on youtube.

I taken on the subject of thiefs in many part of my guide. Also last video tactic guide touching the subject and end with a longer fight vs BS thief in open terrain.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/guide-WvWvW-Shatter-cat/page/2#post780013

I still feel viable.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/guide-WvWvW-Shatter-cat

• Uppdate ******************************

Video strategy guide, 90% filmed after 15/11 patch

Including wvwvw solo strategys:

*Xee combo /burst

• 1 vs 4 how to use terrain
  *Gank tactics
  *Thief BS 1 vs 1

PS I dont feel nerfed, with sword 3 fixed I rather feel buffed.

Cheers mate. Btw had a 6200 air rune crit today. and did a 4 vs 1, feel so nerfed

Let me recommend : https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/guide-WvWvW-Shatter-cat I heard its good

So far on this kinds of threads I given long answers and linked movies etc. In your case thu I feel you just died a few times and instead of do research and worked things out you just do a lasy (yes wery lasy) post in meser forums, not providing build, no video, no explanation of how you played or what strategy etc you used.

I cant help you mate with a long post as I already put more effort in this smal semi rant than you did on your question. What I do thu Is help you by ask you to go thru the mesmer forums, there are LONG and wery helpfull threads about the matter, there is even movies “how to” and several different approachs.

If you thu would gatther info, do some serious ressearch and mabye even provide a build link, explain what build the thief used and best of al a video I would happily help you mate.

Gl mate on your research.

/love osicat

@ Sobex, Yes seen and noted. Like I said previous thu Air now do 3-6k dmg instead of 4-8, its a nerf but the rune dmg have always been a bonus as from the first 5 I get 10% crit dmg, and a needed speed buff for wvwvw, last rune is eather a divinity for those who feel the lightning strike is unnesesery or keep the rather solid attack.

Personaly I feel that the dmg would been better even with a 50% nerf as the build is based on multiple dmg sources rather than single big hits.

Im in middle of a 24 h work shift but got some free time at the pc so Il try answer some questions

@Paleehi, ty alot for good feedback and wery valid questions. My main gameplay in wvwvw is solo/duo or is in groups of 8-12 players. Sometimes bigger team when we gater al for a hit on a zerg etc. For the smal scale fights its obious that this build is extremly effective, even more as other alternatives been nerfed latley.

When hitting a zerg with a 15 man team my main jobb is to plant portal, get timewarp and chaos field up and then as many shatters of as possible. After that I take a portal back. When on this support duity I suualy wealed a GS on side of staff as mass groups tend to lagg and mele is a bit hard to land. mind thu 90% of the time I use sword/p – staff and roam behind enemy lines, hitting supplylines/camps or just troll bigger groups by hit and run tactics involving stealth timewarp and portals (se last part of the staff-sword/pistol movie.)

This is me on support duity for bigger group thu :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usTQp8H-MlU&feature=plcp

About connfusion I have 30 points in illusion, that give some connfusion dmg, also use 3% dmg / clone and 5% dmg + sigil taht give 14% in total extra dmg. A perfect non decoy shatter apply 12-13 stacks of confuions, that give ~2k confusion dmg and I use it as a defense, even if the enemy survive my burst he cant hit back as he die by confuion and I get a 2-3 sec room of time to change to staff and en the fight or pull back.

@Zilm, yes this build work with s/s even if the player most succesful I know of with staff s/s uses a 10-20-10-0-30 build. I think staff-s/s will be wery strong vs phantasm mesmers aswell in the comming as the block negate phatasms, added to sword 2 and 4 sec disorsion the s/s is kinda tanky.

Rest: As I work hard on keep this guide up to date and keep answer ppls questions I will try to keep it off the zerg of qq,s that roaming the mesmer forum atm. Al I do is provide my thoughts and guide of a gamestyle that I claim work in wvwvw as a shatter mesmer. keep ask your questions and we work on have this thread as a forum free of emo qq about changes that we in the end just have to adapt to.

PS new movie in the comming days with tactic guide, will include how to burst perfectly, how to 1 vs BS thief in open terrain, how to 1 vs 3 and some other stuff.

Just saying, unless you stop behave like kidds and issult eachother to left and right for different oppinions a Admin will close this thread. Try make it a relevan discussion of what things now DONT work as well in wvwvw and what DO work.

Its clear Anet hit GS hard. Its also know alot of mesmers used GS. This will mean GS mesmers will be less effective from now.

Its clear Phantasm spec been nerfed hard last patches, phantasm spec is weaker now than a few month ago.

Its clear some other classes been nerfed hard last month, thiefs several times for example, this in the end is good for us as we gain som strenth on them.

Shatter spec have NOT been nerfed in other than smal marginal ways, staff is still solid, in my opinion ALOT stronger than GS now in dmg and for sure better defensive. Clones summon is not affected by LOS or misses etc according to patchnotes (can somone confirm this form game, dodge summon for example) so sword leap + clone summon can be used LOS.

This tells us we need to find some new ways but in my oppinion still can be extremly deadly. I havent used a GS for other than siege battles for months. Portal is only longer cd not effect so portal bombing is still a valid tactic for a team, tbh with 3 mesmers we dont even notice the nerf on time.

MOA is only 1 effect negated and it accualy work in a way we seek, it still dispell the scary thing on necros, even if they not get transformed.

/osicat

@Talas, I lvl with this spec yes from lvl 40, and yes its doable, might need a GS from time to time thu for instances. You need 30 illusion to reach its top strength thu and clone on dodge.

@Santi its 25% less dmg so instead of 4-8k hits its 3-6k now I would say, still viable.

@All, with phantasm and other nerfs this build Is more viable than before now even, and as thiefes nerfed hard we mught endup top roamers with this build, time will show. Our burst is sick, we have huge survival skills for a low toughtness class and can do 1 vs x.

I working on a tactical guide atm for diferent situations in wvwvw, video will come next week when I tryed out the patch changes and goot good matereal. Its not always correct to use the perfect burst and down somone as you endup with no cd,s for next target.

I critting for 20k, tbh main reason I got a defensive ring in my gear is that I latley burst ppl down so hard that I getting immune as they die and I cant reach my top dmg.

4 x mw on a non toughtness target ~10-12k, sword 2 = 4-6k cry of frustration x 3 = 5-700 × 3, phantasm duelist 3-4k + bleeds and in most situations a lightningstrike for 4-8k (now with nerf thats 3-6k but still viable), flame blast from sigil ~1k.

Ty all for good feedback in thread and emails, on demand I trying to get some tactical parts added in next vid, I do thu want to keep good music and entertainment so I will do commentary in text and only short stuff. Will go on thief hunt and see if. find some who give me extra problem and shoot it aswell.

Read some guides, see some movies of other players and see some beginner guides. Start with a basic gamestyle, staff + greatsword or staff + sword/pistol. Start with trait survival and a little dmg + 5 points in illusion.

When you start feeling warmer and more secure with the class try a shatter build, these are more demanding, especialy the burst ones but harder to counter and in general more reliable.

link to my shatter build (OBS, NOT A BEGINNER friendly build)
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/guide-WvWvW-Shatter-cat/first#post728210

hope it help, its a lovely profession and I must say it also have a extrelmy nice and helpfull community. So many pro mesmers that help ppl out that you can ask etc, when I been unsure about things I so far always got a nice pile of helpfull answers.

/Osicat

Interesting enought Partis run more glasscanon on gear than me. Im 4/6 berserker and experementing with a valkyre ring so 4/5 trinkets berzerker.

Nerf toasters, buff forks. Tbh silly qq tears post demand silly answer. Several classes are strong, what make a opponent op compared to you thu is the person behind the keyboard.

Its not a 1 vs 1 game eather.

Seriously, its depends on build, sure sometimes thiefs gets inta destroyed by thiefs but im kinda sire same thing in the other way aroud. I would lie if I said I never die to thiefs, but I dont have special problems with em. Last weeks I even fould that fight a realy good thief In wvwvw can both be along but same time extremly fun fight.

Yes they have backstab but we got mindwrack who can close to insta kill a thief aswell. Even in sPvP 4xmw can hit a glascannon thief for around 10k +. In wvwvw a mw alone can kill them, highest I had was 4x 34xx.

I agree on rendering thu is a prob in wvwvw, that need to be fixed.

Cant use both as they share cd and you missing the target a bit Poaches, we talk about armour runes.