Guild Wars 2

Rednik.3809:

P Fun Daddy.1208:

Just no, not at all.
Healing signet is already far stronger than it needs to be (will reevaluate after the 8%), and warriors absolutely do not need their other heals to be buffed to that level.

• > Thread about talent activating with on-use heal, aka mending and surge, trying to switch away from healing signet
• > Troll jumping in
• > OMG HEAGLSIGNET IS TOO STRONK PLSNERF WHY YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT BUFFS LMAO

Okay, fine,you’re entirely right. Warriors absolutely need buffs to their condition removal, especially since mesmers have a comparable adept tier trait that needs to be about half as good as the warrior one. And warriors are completely pidgeonholed into defense. I mean seriously, having to spend a whole 20 trait points to have awesome condition removal is way too much, they need to get that for ten points in a offense-oriented tree.

I do think boon effectiveness should have a stat it scales with, just to make support a little more worthwhile or even necessary for speed runs.

kitten it feels good to be an ele.

hooma.9642:

P Fun Daddy.1208:

Soooooooooo broken.
Compare to mender’s purity.
Seriously, asking for warrior buffs right now is like a millionaire asking for a pay raise.
Especially considering that warriors are one of the top classes when it comes to condition removal already.

well how about reading? mending is pre condi-buffed state. its the same for healing surge.

seems u have problem of understanding no-risk high reward heal vs higher risk higher rewarding heal.

in this meta cleansing ire is mandatory and on the same time warrior strength adept is lacking usefull traits for pvp. warrior is pigeon holed into defense

Just no, not at all.
Healing signet is already far stronger than it needs to be (will reevaluate after the 8%), and warriors absolutely do not need their other heals to be buffed to that level.

Also, warriors pigeonholed into defense?
When any other class usually requires far more investment than the twenty trait points required for warriors to get dogged march and cleansing ire?
I’m not entirely certain why you think buffing the class which is already unequivocally the best class in the game is a good idea.

Thank you, nameless deity of games.

Soooooooooo broken.
Compare to mender’s purity.
Seriously, asking for warrior buffs right now is like a millionaire asking for a pay raise.
Especially considering that warriors are one of the top classes when it comes to condition removal already.

emikochan.8504:

OneManArmy.9732:

increase cooldown x4 times for any utility slot spell equipped into elite slot.

Tbh I’d go further, have each slot on the right have a 50% 100% 150% 200% cooldown (for example), so the order of your utilities is also build defining.

Oh god no imagine the endure pain/berserker stance spam, or even balanced stance for 50% stability uptime.
So many people would slot one of the first two for 5/10 seconds of invul to one type of damage every thirty seconds.

nemka.1803:

P Fun Daddy.1208:

killahmayne.9518:

jihm.2315:

killahmayne.9518:

I don’t understand at all how a nerf to critical damage is a buff to healing signet at all, when all other classes’ heals are not affected at all.

because healing signet is superior to any other heal in the game

Which doesn’t mean it actually got buffed with the new ferocity change, more so in relation to other heals.

It’s more about the increased unlikelyness of being able to outpace warrior passive regen, because there simply isn’t very much you can do about it.
After the patch, it will be slightly harder for non-zerkers to deal more damage than warriors can passively heal. This isn’t as much of an issue on other classes because there are more ways to prevent heals (interrupts, well-timed poisons instead of having to permapoison).
I don’t really think it’s that much of an issue, because the ferocity change won’t affect PvP and WvWvW balance is nonexistent anyway.

there is a simple way to counter healing sig(any healing for that matter), you just apply poison, making it 33% less effictive, why wont you?
if you dont have a skill that does so (well its your problem) but you can get a sigil that gives it to you.
healing sig with poison is the worst heal in the game, compared to other heals with poison, since some first remove the poison and then heal you.

Sighs
This has been so overdone.
1) There are multiple professions that are unable to poison (and it’s almost never practical to bring a poison sigil).
2) It is far easier to apply a well-timed poison on someone’s heal (or just when they’re low to prevent a heal) than it is to keep it permanently applied, even before considering cleansing ire and berserker stance (some of the strongest removal in the game, don’t forget).

Also, I didn’t say that there were no ways to prevent healsig. I didn’t even say that the one method that does exist is ineffective, though it is. I said that there are more ways to prevent heals for every other heal in the game, which makes healsig a specific offender in the overall damage nerf.
L2Read noob.

Wintel.4873:

style.6173:

I do not agree. I think with the new GM traits, plus survivability buffs, we need to see how the meta plays out first.

You mean D/D buffs and GM traits sitting in trees which are terrible for PvP.

But yeah, lets see how the meta plays out with Ele’s…or should I say without. The changes are so misguided and focused on increasing healing when that’s not where the problem lies.

Lostwingman.5034:

Ele needs some of its cool downs reevaluted before we do something like take a hitpoint dump.

Ele is renowned for having some of the longest cooldowns on abilities in the game for little reward. Or did you mean shortening them?

P Fun Daddy.1208:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
I don’t want passive defenses
Just give us easier access to more active ones.

Oh come on P, we know you hate passives, this isn’t a passive defense as much as giving you more room to actually DO STUFF with the class that you’ve always wanted :P

I guess I wouldn’t turn down any buffs, but more seriously I don’t think we need buffs that would affect PvE because we are already pretty valuable there. I would be happier with this idea if there was a strict PvE/PvP split.

style.6173:

@OP

Actually most of the new GM traits for any profession aren’t that great. I don’t see many being used. The best ones are probably for ele.

And they are only useful in PvP, where we need it

But seriously though to all the tactics QQ, have you seen the ele water GM trait?
Sort of similar, pure support that doesn’t help the user at all.
You get to put out tons of might, we increase healing power by 25%.
Stop your complaining.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
I don’t want passive defenses
Just give us easier access to more active ones.

I might like it on staff if it is global ICD because my teamfight capability is already pretty good and 1v1 is most of where I’m lacking.

killahmayne.9518:

jihm.2315:

killahmayne.9518:

I don’t understand at all how a nerf to critical damage is a buff to healing signet at all, when all other classes’ heals are not affected at all.

because healing signet is superior to any other heal in the game

Which doesn’t mean it actually got buffed with the new ferocity change, more so in relation to other heals.

It’s more about the increased unlikelyness of being able to outpace warrior passive regen, because there simply isn’t very much you can do about it.
After the patch, it will be slightly harder for non-zerkers to deal more damage than warriors can passively heal. This isn’t as much of an issue on other classes because there are more ways to prevent heals (interrupts, well-timed poisons instead of having to permapoison).
I don’t really think it’s that much of an issue, because the ferocity change won’t affect PvP and WvWvW balance is nonexistent anyway.

silvermember.8941:

LordByron.8369:

That trait and PvE are not good.

due to
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Unshakable

It is almost like they’re modes other than pve, weird huh?

And it’s not even like we are top tier DPS in PvE already, right?

I’m gonna do 30/0/30/0/10 s/f conjures so hard, and it’s going to be great.
Burn on crit, cleansing fire, and blind on burn, with stone splinters, alacrity, and stone heart in earth, renewing stamina in arcane tree.
Alacrity just so that when I drop my conjures I can use magnetic wave and obsi flesh for added utility before I conjure for more damage, and thus have time to conjure without being in danger.
s/f for the above skills and for the extra armor+blind as even more defense (together with a 3-hit auto for more crits)
I will try staff as well because it has some great utility, but I will have worse heals without almost any blasts.
I might even use zealot, but I’ll probably go berserk eventually because I won’t be healing excessively. If only there was p/p/v gear, for better defense against conditions while maintaining damage and crit chance.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

P Fun Daddy.1208:

I blame Ash for saying people and burst.

Why blame me?

I have been hit for instant downed in Factuals. Burst isn’t always the best way to go. I am more of a Tankish-Burning sort of build. I only run with Staff in certain ones, The Atherblades one can be a nightmare. The one with the 2 dudes as the final boss is a nightmare as pure melee as well. These 2 i would go with staff 100%.

I saw the “might be able to kill people fast” and immediately assumed pvp.
Not really your fault, the new culprit is sleep deprivation.

naphack.9346:

pretty sure, they stack additively.

Nope, multiplicatively.

Technically ele only reaches the highest DPS with either a rigid might rotation then LH or by sitting permanently in fire with staff and 2 spamming.
If you actually use your weapon skills/non-fire skills respectively you lose almost all of that pretty DPS and stop being top tier.
The third way to DPS is FGS rush against a wall which is just obviously an oversight of the devs and will most likely be fixed eventually, and that is situational.

Also, pretty much no team that can survive a dungeon run will ever want a necro. Conditions are painful in PvE, they don’t have enough damage, and they don’t bring enough group support. The ONLY time you will ever want a tank is if your group is unable to beat a boss.

Oh, fractal of the mists not flavor of the month.
Well that’s awkward. Pure DPS fire staff (though incredibly boring) and s/f Lightning Hammer are the meta I believe.

Edit:
I blame Ash for saying people and burst.

There is no meta really, mostly because ele is so skill-dependent that you will do roughly as well no matter what spec you run once you get used to it.

However, I wouldn’t go full zerk unless you want to try to pull off a high-damage staff build (probably one of the most difficult builds if you aren’t zerging) or gimmicky fresh air burst.

Ughhh
I can’t wait until I can try out a 30/0/30/0/0 conjure staff build with burn on crit for that blind every 5 seconds and reduction of all berzerkers I meet to soldier damage.

killahmayne.9518:

are you kidding me? Dual Wielding is the worst grandmaster trait out of the 8 that were previewed.

That ranger trait and the ele trait say hi.
Faster projectile movement speed (not attack speed)?
Your heals on allies scale off of healing power 20% more?

Would probably be worth it as an adept trait, but I don’t see it being a good grandmaster.

Kadin.2356:

This is all good until you factor in aegis. Never again able to backstab a player with a guardian in party? Check.

Unless you happen to be willing to spend two initiative, which is still pretty darn good for the amount of damage backstab does, and it’s a fair sight better than aegis being completely ignored.

Xyonon.3987:

I play PvE only with my Ele, so he must be so terrible in PvP / WvW or what? o.O PvE he’s king so … ??

WvW is only truly useful for zergs, in sPvP is the only class to not have any “competitive” builds though you can still do well if you’re better than the entire other team, especially any thieves.

Kyon.9735:

Windwalker.2047:

Kyon.9735:

It’s already stronger than Mesmer Blink. 16sec with trait reduction is too OP.

Mesmer blink can be buffed to 1200 range and 24s cd-AND IT BREAKS STUN
how is that stronger than 1 auto attack worth of dmg?

Auto attack damage? It deals more damage than any Elementalist Auto Attack. It deals more damage than Arcane Wave or Arcane Blast. You should really try using it offensively sometimes. Stop using it exclusively for defensive purposes.

Yes it’s not a stun breaker but it lets you use it even when disabled which lets you get out of harm’s way momentarily. Yes, Elementalist is weak compared to all other classes, but stop exaggerating it.

Ehh, the lower cooldown on blink far outweighs the damage on LF in my opinion.
Sure the damage makes the two about equal if you’re using it purely to stay on target as D/D or as part of scepter burst, but that would be such a waste of the other capacities of teleports seeing as that isn’t much of a problem anyway.

I like both skills for the utility they provide, and blink is superior in that respect.

Here’s hoping that they don’t force me to be a support.

Chaosbroker.3860:

There’s one overiding flaw in these kinds of threads. For every intelligent and well thought-out argument as to where and why warriors are too strong, there’s another 9 who demand a “to the ground” nerf on the basis of “because I say so”.

That’s not a flaw in these threads, that’s a flaw in humanity in general. People for some reason have this stupid idea that opinions are of comparable validity to reasoned arguments. The same can be said of any case ever made. My personal philosophy is that if someone doesn’t have enough motivation to explain how they arrived at a conclusion, I don’t have enough motivation to hear what they have to say.

Viking Jorun.5413:

P Fun Daddy.1208:

If thief isn’t OP, then how me, a dog, learn English?
Checkmate atheists.

If you truly learned English you would have said, “If thief isn’t OP, then how does myself, a member of the canine genus, learn English?”

Game. Set. Match.

And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for you meddling kids!

Krisztian.8405:

How about some dirty fighting skills?

Such as: a stun breaker which would throw dirt in opponent’s face after knockdown or kickin dirt in opponent’s face. these would result in short blinds ofc.

Fighting like a good guy is getting old. Especially when every other profession have tricks up their sleeves, while all of our cards are on the table.

Yes, but, to extend this metaphor, you have a royal flush and everyone else has already bet their life’s savings.

Give Warriors an exclusive anti-combofield combofield that can grant fear!

Because kitten balance

Malcastus.6240:

Good idea. Down with Geomancer’s Freedom and move Obsidian Focus up to master tier and redo it.

• Obsidian Focus (master trait)
  Gain vitality based on your toughness. 10%

And then give us a trait in water that boosts our toughness by 10% of our vitality.
Yes I would like infinite health, thank you.

If thief isn’t OP, then how me, a dog, learn English?
Checkmate atheists.

Prysin.8542:

P Fun Daddy.1208:

Chill is rare and short enough that it really isn’t too bad (except to eles, but then again everything hurts eles more than other classes), but immobilize should never have been made a stacking condition. Preventing dodges and any sort of movement is pretty darn close to a stun, and should be treated at least somewhat like one.
Again, worse to eles because range lock, and the fact that both our survival and a considerable amount of our utility (if Evasive Arcana is taken) depends on dodging frequently.

On a side note, has anyone else been immobilized mid dodge?
Seems like something that shouldn’t be a thing.

you can still dodge during immob, the “evaded” part of dodging works, however you cannot move outside the pixel you got bound to.

edit; Dont forget ranger pets with Malicious training. You can dish out loads of chill, most of it are longer then 6 seconds.

No, I mean literally mid-dodge immobilize will appear on my bar. I will be in motion when it appears, and continue to move until the dodge ends, at which point I stop being able to move.

The strongest warrior builds I see have very high damage resistance just for being warriors, with a nice amount of cc, and pretty good damage. Condition warriors can even bring some awesome group support.

sorrychief.2563:

If eles get regen from this trait warriors should get protection every 10 seconds from theirs. It’s only fair and warrior is a ‘Heavy’ class afterall!

No, that’s too weak. They need to get a free proc of endure pain, on a 15 second cooldown.

Eh, warriors win 100% at jack of all trades at the moment, being able to deal decent damage with huge control and very good support.

That’s actually pretty close to the classic bunker ele setup.

Sadly, you won’t get anywhere by autoattacking on an ele, nor will you have any degree of success in a single attunement. Especially water staff #1 is underpowered, the heal radius is too small and the heal itself is too weak to merit casting it ever.

I also recommend changing your runes and sigils, you currently have ones that are horribly underpowered. Anything on kill is mediocre at best, and the 6 on vampirism is sort of useless, as is the 2 (the 6 doesn’t even proc soothing disruption). If you really want those 2 and 4 bonuses, though, I suggest splashing 2 runes of the water for the extra healpow and boon duration, both of which would be of benefit to your build.

I have a great idea!
How about we move it to adept and have it give us regen as well whenever we are hit by immobilize, chill, or cripple!

Or do any warriors here think that would be a bit overpowered?

Chill is rare and short enough that it really isn’t too bad (except to eles, but then again everything hurts eles more than other classes), but immobilize should never have been made a stacking condition. Preventing dodges and any sort of movement is pretty darn close to a stun, and should be treated at least somewhat like one.
Again, worse to eles because range lock, and the fact that both our survival and a considerable amount of our utility (if Evasive Arcana is taken) depends on dodging frequently.

On a side note, has anyone else been immobilized mid dodge?
Seems like something that shouldn’t be a thing.

I find the above hilarious.

People have now grown so used to comparing the most powerful class to the least powerful one (in PvP) that now everyone just assumes that anyone complaining about a warrior is an ele.

Yeah, I’m crying pretty hard right now.

ThiBash.5634:

That means that the OP cannot buy it straight out as he said.

As for the material cost, I’ve just crafted some pieces and it cost me roughly 100g for a chest armor and 100g for a leg armor. The other pieces will be cheaper, but I think between 400 and 500g for a full set would be a good estimate.

…does that mean I could have had another 100g instead of the celestial chest I have?

All the cosmetic items I have missed out on…

/cry

Galen.9042:

Fair enough, sounds like the meta’s changed. Figured it probably would have in over a year.

Fortunately my 1575 gems I had lying around in my account have skyrocketed in value, so I’ll just re-equip myself with some DPS gear. Thanks for the feedback.

I know right? I got the game about a month after it came out, and gems were like 50 silver/100 gems.
I really should have invested back then, could have made myself quite the profit.

ComeAtMe.5932:

I can see this working as a condition tank build to be honest

But then you run into the problem with ele conditank builds; not enough tanking, and not enough conditions.
Only natural access to two conditions and the lowest heath/armor in the game make for a rough time.
Some people can make it work, but that’s more of a reflection on their experience (or running diamond skin 1v1 against dire necros) than on their build.

It’s a bug. Reload the area and it should fix itself (I think). It is rumored to be caused by switching traits or allotting points in an area without then reloading an area.

However, you will never have two Lava Fonts up at once, even with CDR and Persisting Flames, unless there happens to be a trick with cast cancelling through sheathing. While Lava Font has a zero cast time, it also has a weird aftercast that counts as casting the skill for cooldown purposes; that is, the cooldown doesn’t start until the aftercast ends. You can still cast it and then dodge it with no fear though, because the actual effect of the skill happens immediately and cannot be interrupted.

ThiBash.5634:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

I can see us ending in a WORSE state than we are now

The one thing I’m anxious about is that they’ll exchange the current rapid attunement cycling for something slower, moe akin to weapon swapping ‘because the masses prefer that’.

Seriously, I’d take a 25% damage nerf if they’ll keep Evasive Arcana and attunement field/finisher combos the way they are now on staff.

I wouldn’t, but that’s only because staff is balanced enough as is outside of a zerg* if not a bit underpowered. Yes it is my favorite weapon, and yes I do well with it (I think), but I won’t pretend that if I had the same level of dedication on another weapon, or even another class, I wouldn’t do far better.

*You shouldn’t really balance around zergs unless something is really broken.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

I think Auramancer would be better if Arcane shield was turned into Arcane Aura:

Arcane Aura:
Grant yourself an Aura based on your attunement.
Fire: Fire Shield – 5 second duration
Water: Frost Aura – 5 second duration
Air: Shocking Aura – 5 second duration
Earth: Magnetic Aura – 5 second duration
45second cool down

I think Auras from weapon skills need to be longer in duration as well, conisdering they have the insane ICD

Take arcane shield away from me and I will cut you.

VideoGamermike.5813:

applauds Daddy now THAT would work. It still has the control ides without the insane micromanaging, even if it is still a bit too micromanagy.

Yeah, I’m not sure how I feel about it myself. My main for a while was a shatter mesmer, and all the speed presses I needed could be a potential conflict. It would certainly be an improvement in groups, but I’m still undecided.

You could add effects that make conditions deal a moderate amount of direct damage (condition scaling ofc) when the cap is exceeded. I don’t see it changing PvP, but it would certainly make PvE conditions better.