Guild Wars 2

why not take kinetic battery ? it is much better becouse you have double stealth if well used …

i played rifle with toolkit , bomb and 1 elixir ( S or B usually ) . Fun but hard to go in 1 vs 1

Theonord.6359:

Ye reading more about the gyros they don’t use any of your own stats, which is so dissapointing. Why though?

this make blat gyro a good partner for condi builds …

today i went on 2 1vs 1 server and i see that engineer were not common. I look at builds and there were 2 or 3 different build ( one with rifle ) . have engineer got a dueling buiild ? if yes… how it is ? if no .. why ?

Perhaps not optimal but much better now i bet. The change in light field is usefull to survive …. survivability now seems to me better against conditions blasting in lighfield … 2
light field , 4 blast…
Not good for esl but i think quite viable now …

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQJAqalUUh2tYtWw+KQ7FLsFF4HWiBgYHNFPR4SdRvGA-TJBIAB+eCAA4BAIx+DcXGAA

In wvw i play something similar to you. the only great difference is that i use blast gyro instead of toolkit. Blast gyro imho is really strong and it is something completely underrated. The fact that it is a knock back and that it is unblockable saved me life many time against warriors or dh.

I think there will be some different build . I don’t know if meta but i see an scrapper, alchemy explosive with hammer and nades with some gyro blast , bulk/purge and sneak and sage scrapper with flamethrower , with a sigil of intelligence and balthazar runes … only for saying 2 things i am trying . I think sage amulet will be more used now becouse some changes benefits from condi damage and power togegher . another possibility will be carrion but i have to try it . Even rifle has been buffed on condi so i think this will be the way anet designed for us

why not take elixir S instead of toolkit ? toolkit not buffed, for me at least , is not that good ..cd are longer , pool is bugged … you took toolkit for block but toolkit block has 20 secs cd for 2 secs blocks … i prefer elixir S with secure stomp and stealth .. and obviously snake gyro … i find it better for avoiding damage

try flamethrower with scrapper and sage amulet , with a sigil of intelligence … scrapper, invention alchemy and you will se how it is strong now. You don’t spam a lot of condi as with p/p but you have good damage with hammer and perma burning… try it for fun . In my opinion this change of ft is a good buff for engi in general -

Healing turret, medic gyro and elixir H are the best healing skill ( i rate them in this order ) . i am trying medkit on a wvw build in which i have no speed. It is bad… but not that terrible if you have snake gyro. with snake gyro in some situation i prefer medkit to medic gyro becouse gyro dies really fast. With medkit for the most i use f1 but in stealth other utilities can work . without snake gyro i find medkit no viable at all …F1 alone is too weak . Medkit 4 is really handy if you have a build with no inventions and no tools and u want to avoid speed from a rune … then it becomes a must

Shaogin.2679:

PierPiero.9142:

there is nothing new . In my opinion the variant with elixir S and elixir C with all necro and mesmer around is stronger . The problem of this and other builds is that the meta with bulk gyro is stronger … and in any case the game play is the same of the meta. It is a melee class like warrior, something that many old engi players don’t love (who began before hot … 2012.. 2013.. ) . Engineer at start had a completely different gameplay and it was more fun.It was not a bruiser, you had to move for stay alive and to play piano … But now… we have this kitten of scrapper only viable ….

Yeah…….hello there debbie downer…

So as for the issue with mesmers and necromancers, like I said the build has plenty of access to condi clear, mesmers are super fragile outside of blocks and whatnot, and it is extremely easy to simply cc necromancers to death. So haven’t run into any issues there yet.

with elixir you remove 1 condi. When a necro transfers it to you it is an hell … and also with a warrior. This is the reason why i prefer elixir C ( I prefer elixir C to purge gyro ) .
Mesmer does not stack a tons of condi as other but elixirs are really simple to interrupt and a good mesmer count on this ….

there is nothing new . In my opinion the variant with elixir S and elixir C with all necro and mesmer around is stronger . The problem of this and other builds is that the meta with bulk gyro is stronger … and in any case the game play is the same of the meta. It is a melee class like warrior, something that many old engi players don’t love (who began before hot … 2012.. 2013.. ) . Engineer at start had a completely different gameplay and it was more fun.It was not a bruiser, you had to move for stay alive and to play piano … But now… we have this kitten of scrapper only viable ….

warr is really strong, dh is balanced ( i don’t play it ) . The real problem is the balance mechanism based on scissor, paper ,rock. When on a team you have 3 scissors against on the other 3 rocks, or when you have 3 papers against 3 scissors, at the same skill level , match is ended at start. If you have 3 dh against 3 mesmer at the same level … the match is over … ( only to see an example , becouse dh counters mesmers … ) .

Anet gave us a new amulet, deadshot with crit, vitality , experties and condi damage. Is there any viable pvp build (scrapper condi or core as u prefer ) viable with this ?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQJAqalUUh2tY1Vw+KQ7FLsFlYHNFPxYOuj/I4HWiBAA-TJhMABAs/ArPAAaKD80JAAA

I win a lot of 1vs 1 with people and quite often, if i can not win i am able to stealth away. If opponents are full of condi class sometime i switch elixir gun for Elixir C … it helps a lot for 1vs 1 against necromancers

Phineas Poe.3018:

lLobo.7960:

Sorry, but kits are much more than just another utility skill.
They are a core mechanic for engi just as much as the toolbelt, or as ranger pets, or warrior burst skills, or ele attunements.

There is a pretty obvious difference between engi kits and everything else you mention here in that toolbelt skills, pets, burst skills, and attunements aren’t optional. They’re ingrained, core aspects of their given profession that you cannot remove—hence their title as a “core” class mechanic.

And unlike all of what I’ve mentioned, kits aren’t an ingrained, core aspect of the profession. They’re certainly powerful utilities, and just like warrior banners and guardian consecrations, they get an inordinate amount of attention compared to other options, but that doesn’t make them a core mechanic—and there’s nothing stopping ArenaNet from releasing kits on another profession in the next expansion, or putting banners in engineer.

lLobo.7960:

Classes are not limited to one, and only one, mechanic. Thieves have steal and initiative, revs have legend swap and energy… Some class mechanics are spetial skills (f1-5) some are not…

You’re right that classes often have more than one “core” mechanic, and that sometimes relates to a managed resource like adrenaline/rage, astral power, energy, and initiative. Illusions, in fact, could arguably be both a core mechanic and a skill resource.

Engineer does, in fact, have more than one “core” profession mechanic, but it’s not kits; it’s the toolbelt and the function gyro. And this is what you’re not understanding.

The purpose of elite specializations is to add new, different things to the profession—or enhance existing core mechanics (e.g., rage or continuum split). So yes, rangers got new pets, warriors got new burst skills, and engineers got new toolbelt skills and the function gyro.

It’s also true that engineers don’t have a weapon swap, and it’s true that’s arguably because of kits, but that doesn’t mean that kits are a core profession mechanic, and it doesn’t mean that they can’t add a specialization down the road that locks us out of kits while granting us weapon swap.

Kits and elixirs are the best and most fun things that engineer had since 2012. Scrapper is a boring version of a melee figher ( warrior or guardian are just better for that ) . What made me play engi since start was the absurd , different and completely new mechanic of kits and the idea of taking “drugs” with elixirs . Now …. scrapper erased all the fun and the only thing i can do is to try to play a pistol pistol core eng build otherwise it is too boring as gameplay but core engi for spvp is quite suboptimal .

I find scrapper really boring and i love to play core engi . Which is in your opinion the most rewarding build for core engi ?
After many matches and hard loss i arrived to these 2 builds … for normal fight :
http://gw2skills.net/editor/vdAQJAqalUUh2tY1Vw+KQ7FLsFF4HWiBwYOuj/oYHNFBA-TJhGABYs/AAPAAiPBAMVGAA

for fight with heavy condi opponents (the same but with elixir C in place of EG ) :
http://gw2skills.net/editor/vdAQJAqalUUhCsY1Vw+KQ7FLsFF4HWiBwYOuj/oYHNFPBA-TJhGABA8AAYqMAG7PQ8JAAA

It can be really effective , especially in 1 vs 1 … try it if you are bored from scrapper. Against melee opponent use stability as soon as you have it and stealth when kinetic battery goes on . It seems weak … but it is not weak at all ( stealth twice, 2 stun break …stability , invulnerability… ) What is missing is projectils but in bad situation i go stealth and run away

I usually play dps in fractal only becouse i have infusions on my berserker armour. I have to say that i prefer to play at high fractal with rifle rather than with hammer. ( i usually take firearms, explosive and tools ). The reason is that i find hammer really effective but boring as hell …. i know it is suboptimal but i have much more fun with hammer and i have to say that you can do really well in pve with nades, bomb and rifle. .. i don’t find it so suboptimal ….

my hint, for ranked, is to play what you feel more rewarding for yourself . it is better for you and for your team …

i use a setup similar to you i think , sage amulet, sword shield, scepter torch. It is probably not the best setup but i find it easier than the classic meta becouse it is easier to survive and it is really easy to disengage . You have not the mobility of staff and many other things, but burning from torch and stealth are quite strong and scepter traited is really good. It will be bad and not for pro mesmer, but for myself, i am more effective with that setup .

i’d do only one simple change : Incendiary Powder in explosive again .

The old style engineer was really really super fun. I really miss pistol pistol with nades and toolkit in pvp and at the same time i really like pistol pistol or rifle playstyle in pve. IF you like the “piano” gaming and to change your setup and your way to kill every 10 minutes core engineer is one of the best thing. You can use core engi condition in fractal, also in high level, and even with rifle, if you want , it is viable ( but perhaps not optimal ). Problem is that you will not be the best for any role and other classes will can do thing easier than you . For me it is not a great problem but i don’t play at high levels .
For scrapper it is completely another story. Scrapper is good in spvp and can be good in wvw ( it is too slow for me ) but it has for me a really really big problem : scrapper playstyle is something terribly boring. I think scrapper is one of the most boring thing to play in the game. Rotations are super easy, scrapper is a form of warrior or guardian ( a melee class) really boring to play. Gyros have not real use : in spvp bulk gyro is really good but for the rest thereis really no need to take them imho. In pve other kits are better, in wvw purge gyro is not bad but i prefer elixir C … so they are not that great. Sneak gyro can be usefull .. but only situationally and for pvp i prefer elixir X.
Scrapper playstyle is boring. You have to chase all the time your opponent and hit 11111 while waiting 2 and 3 are ready. The only good thing in scrapper that can is EG… but it is a kit of core engi . I have been playing engi since 2012 and scrapper is something completely different. I have no fun at all. The good thing of scrapper, for me , is only in pvp. It is a good bruiser , it is not great in nothing but it can be a strong class especially for solo becouse if well played you can last a lot . I suggest it to roll it only if you like engi core gameplay becouse it is really fun. Scrapper , if you don’t need it in spvp, is only a really boring and suboptimal thing

nothelseth.4621:

PierPiero.9142:

A question about mesmer : how to use staff ? I see that if i play meta with staff i have a lot of survivability problems when i switch to it . Ok, i kite some attack with staff 2 but for the rest i feel myself naked. I am dancing between gold and silver now and i see that i win more 1vs 1 with sword /shield / scepter torch rather than with staff becouse i have much more survivability and more dbp ( torch burning is quite fun ) but i know that it is my problem and that i am not able to use staff

I know its a silly self plug but you should really check out gameplay from my stream. You’ll see how staff is properly used.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTb50nkHxYI

twitch.tv/thelordhelseth

I mean erm not me I’m not helseth but hes pretty good w staff.
…

I know he is really good. My question was and my doubts are about the time to switch to it. I obviously usually open a fight with staff for the 2 clones , but usually problems for me begin when i switch to sword, use my skills and then i switch back to staff…. i feel naked with it sometime

with marauder scrapper i usually kill thieves . Perhaps it depends on what you mean for dps engi . If you consider only sd rifle berserker ok , thieves are really hard to catch up but if you consider a marauder scrapper , thief is not invincible

we are on pvp forum , not wvw. In spvp how many condi builds are there ? For sure Chrono Mesmer and necro , for the others i think that power builds usually are more effective . So there is no problem with conditions in spvp . If you have problem with them you have a wrong build. And in any case builds are done to kill. Condi builds have to let you kill as power, otherwise, if you want a real balance, you have to cut all the damage … condition damage and direct damage also …..
PS .. i don’t play condi .

apharma.3741:

sophiewhite.3149:

apharma.3741:

sophiewhite.3149:

Auroraborealis.7310:

sophiewhite.3149:

so basically your saying because people were born on a different part of this giant rock they are automatically much different and kinder and better.

Well compare two different species of bird, that evolved in different parts of the world. They are both majestic and unique in their own way, but due to certain environmental factors sub species could display completely different behavioral patters. Yes they are both birds, and no bird is more special than another bird when you consider a universal perspective; all live is amazing. However, its undeniable that sociological and behavioral patters of humans can vary from culture to culture.

I’m no psychologist but it doesn’t take a genius to figure out there’s a difference in the average player in EU and NA regions. But don’t take my word for it, go check it out for yourself. You’re still gonna lose in EU, and you’re still gonna have blowouts, but they are less common, and even when they do happen you don’t have people expressing their negative emotions quite as frequently and as vulgarly as in NA.

so EU and NA are also different species? i agree it can be different but im getting tired of non stop EU is superior to NA comments constantly. if you even mention your NA in a thread or stream you instantly get comments like “well na isnt real pvp anyway” as if the comment has no validity. your sample size is too small to say its for sure better 100%. id say you got lucky. EU has toxic people so does NA its no different.

Jebro is in the top 50 in NA.

Just let that sink in for a minute.

Jebro….top 50….NA….Jebro.

im not talking about whos better. EU has better high tier players we all know this. but your not any different from us. your not more or less toxic. our opinions have the same validity. we both play the same game.

Well you can always make a free account and come play with us in EU or if you have an alt move it over. I also think you’re carrying the species metaphor way too far, he was just expressing how they can be different do to different locations and environmental factors.

Honestly I don’t often see people screaming “noob [class], uninstall” or anything like that often, you do get it but it’s maybe once an evening at most. How often does it happen NA?

It seems to me NA a little more toxic than EU as envirorment but perhaps it was myself unluck .

how many meta builds are based on conditions and how many are based on bunker/direct damage ?

Phineas Poe.3018:

Nah. It’s actually quite a strong skill when you consider it bounces between targets. It does pretty decent damage and the cripple/swiftness combo is particularly good when the other team is zerging your necro.

They just need to change how the projectile actually works so that it more effectively hits all 3 potential targets.

I agree with you . It is really strong when you use it smarty and i would not change it .

for roaming condi chrono mesmer dire perpl is much better than scrapper / pp engi imho .

how can u manage a good thief or a good melee class with stability like a guardian ?

I tried many combinations but at the end i found that the best utilities are the ones used by Zan. Bulk gyro is really strong and projectils reflection is really handy, EG is a must, there is no need to explain , elixir S and Elixir X. I find Elixir S better than sneak gyro for 3 reason :
– secure stomp
– I can stealth and disengage much more easily when a fight is lost becouse the gyro is visible and disengaging is really important. If i am able to to disangage and to decap far if mid fight is lost it is much better.. even if then i die on far the team loses less points
– Using toolbet elixir X from stealth is much easier
Elixir X is a must for having burst ..
For healing i use healing turret and the 2 water field used with hammer 3 or eg 4 .. other than blasting the turret are really good . For the rotation i try to spam eg 1 more than i can … then i usually try to melee and wait for elixir X (often i open the fight with elixir X, especially for decap ) . If i am fighing a bunker i try to use eg 3 when i think my opponent will heal himself.

It is sad to say but it is true. I have 2 accounts, one on NA and one on EU. On EU i did 200 matches for dancing between silver and gold . For the most matches are even , or at least usually i have not often matches with more than 200pt at the end.

On NA i played 40 matches, i am in gold and i have much more unbalanced matches. I use the same class, with exactly the same build. I thought the difference was the “time” i play : when i play in EU it is prime time but when i play in NA for me it is prime time but it is not prime time in North America for the different timezone .

Probably NA has a lower pvp population .

A question about mesmer : how to use staff ? I see that if i play meta with staff i have a lot of survivability problems when i switch to it . Ok, i kite some attack with staff 2 but for the rest i feel myself naked. I am dancing between gold and silver now and i see that i win more 1vs 1 with sword /shield / scepter torch rather than with staff becouse i have much more survivability and more dbp ( torch burning is quite fun ) but i know that it is my problem and that i am not able to use staff

is it not easier with scepter ?

how to manage dh with condi chrono ? sometimes i am able to kill them but it is hard . Any advise to follow ? if i stay on staff kiting them their longbow makes me suffer …. if i go sword… it is an hell …

You can carry if your team is only a little worse than your opponents. If your team is completely trash there is no way to carry . Yesterday i played 2 matches : in one we nuked every time our opponents, in the other 3 of our team was nuked every time in seconds . In all the 2 matches , for the losing players, i think it was impossible to carry. The match was too unbalanced. In my opinion , something that people should think about, is how much time they die for match . When i see people dieing 3 … 4 times in 2 minutes or 3 i understand the match has gone

Condi Chrono : which amulet is better in season 5 ? Sage or carrion ? I belive Sage for the healing . What do you think ?

the real problem with pistols and rifle is that, for pvp , you have only damage and not sustain. With hammer you have :
– a block
– projectile reflection
– an evasion skill
…. better damage can be usefull but they don’t change the cards on the table . The only think that would put engi viable again, imho , is to give much lower cd to shield and a bit of damage, so that p/s could be viable again . ( i prefer pistol pistol as gamestyle but there is really low defence )

ele in 1vs 1 is not immortal at all. Ele is immortal , as druid when 2 are on the same point. In that case the only thing to do is to outrated them fighting in the other 2 points

which difference is there between hard mmr reset and soft mmr reset ?

You can have only 1 set for season … not more …

David.5974:

Well, just try to outnumber your enemy as much as you can. Scrapper is good far spotter. You should never loose any 1v1. Difference between us and tempest is, that we can kill intruder. I don’t tell my trics, but you are able to decap point with tempest in 30sec solo.

For example: your druid has 1v2 on far. So you run on far, get ready your fun gyro (often you arrive to rezz your mate) then fight continue.

Try to be in heavy fights as much as you can.

I instead agree with Phinaes . Scrapper in 1 vs 1 is strong but no more that strong. Every fight that you win is also quite long and it happens that you win the fight but your opponent is able to decap.
For this reason , for example , in this season i switched to ele. Mender ele is not the old cleric one . You have not great dps but your dps are not so low (with sigil of accuracy i arrive at 37% of critic ) and 2k power… not that bad as damage at all. For my experience tempest mender can kill 1 vs 1 not much differently from scrapper … really long fights and so on ( with cleric it was another story ) .
Probably i am not a champion but i see that i win 1 vs 1 playing scrapper or playing mender ele in the same way ( i sometime lose with both , it depends on my opponent ) .
Perhaps with ele i have more problems against warrior and less against condi bomber… it depends . In any case i see 1 vs 1 comparable while in teamfight there is really no game … and it is sad becouse i have more than 5k matches on engineer , i am not an ele fan boy but in this season i find it better.

Dawdler.8521:

PierPiero.9142:

People think that mender ele is only a healer but with 2k power and 30% crit it has also a decent damage for an healer (if u add a sigil of accuracy you crit 1/3 of time which is quite good now ) . you are an healer but you can also win 1 vs 1 … it is much better than old cleric in this and it is less boring .

Hence why it’s not called a healer but rather bunker/dps. The old cele ele also had the privilege of being in a tier that was literally outside all other PvP tiers when it came to class balance.

Yes but now i find mender ele stronger than mender scrapper for soloing . the huge difference of ele is the AOE of overload , something that scrapper really misses and that helps a lot in teamfight . With arcane shield cd at 40 sec , earth focus 5 every 30 secs , blind from earth 2 , blind for air 4 , gale, chill and water 4 you have really good defensive options too …comparable with scrapper (bulkgyro hammer and automatic elixi S ) . Scrapper can has great stealth access that helps you surviving but with that you don’t cap and ele is more team oriented ( i find air 4 great for example to protect people on point from ranger, warriors or guardian with longbow)

Zenral.3958:

PierPiero.9142:

i add also that there are no more streamers on this game. .. or far less than before. It is not a truth but it is a sign . Probably it is something unavoidable for a game who is 5 years old . Playerbase moves from one game to others

Or the PvP-team ruining the game more and more as the years go by. This season was even worse than the previous 4.

I find it better becouse having rewards make me happy to play even if i am stacked in a level . I think it is exactly what Anet wanted to accomplish : if you play and your level is bronze you going on playing for rewards even if your ratio is abot 50% and stay there

Smooth Penguin.5294:

NeXeD.3042:

but who is actually dumber the theif trying to 3v1? or the 2 cappers?

It’s like you’re asking which came first, the chicken or the egg.

the eggs : there were animals older than birds who were born from egg . Birds and chicken are not old as eggs . Now this question has a scientific answer

i add also that there are no more streamers on this game. .. or far less than before. It is not a truth but it is a sign . Probably it is something unavoidable for a game who is 5 years old . Playerbase moves from one game to others

PlatinumMember.5274:

PierPiero.9142:

I play quite only pvp but i am happy of pve players in pvp . Pvp is dieing . The first Problem of pvp as wvw is to raise up the population. Give to pvers a motivation to try pvp , in my opinion was a great idea. Even if we have bad matches if only a part of pve players fall in love of pvp it is a great thing . And even if they are not that good now, they can become better in feature. Nobody was born pvp champion … let them the time to learn and enjoy the short queue of ranked and the rewards. For now i am stacked in silver … if i will remain there.. ok , it is the place i belong to . Perhaps i will do better next seasons .

People have been saying PvP is dying since the beginning, the point being hyperbole only works when the side you are trying to convince doesn’t have access to data to verify their decisions. Your lie might convince the few salty players but the goal is to convince arena net. Who unfortunately has the data to see whether you are lying or not.

Where do you think i am saying a lie ? i write in clear words that i am not a champion and probably i am where i have to be. No complain from me .
What i have seen in season 4 , in my personal experience, was longer queues before matches so i hope , giving pve players a reason to play pvp will help having more players. Nothing more than this. It is a hope … not a statement

I play quite only pvp but i am happy of pve players in pvp . Pvp is dieing . The first Problem of pvp as wvw is to raise up the population. Give to pvers a motivation to try pvp , in my opinion was a great idea. Even if we have bad matches if only a part of pve players fall in love of pvp it is a great thing . And even if they are not that good now, they can become better in feature. Nobody was born pvp champion … let them the time to learn and enjoy the short queue of ranked and the rewards. For now i am stacked in silver … if i will remain there.. ok , it is the place i belong to . Perhaps i will do better next seasons .

posthumecaver.6473:

The problem with Sage if a thief decides to lock on you and catch you out of Earth your chance of recovering from that is bigger with Mender….

1vs1 against Thief and Rev are no problem, the problem when you try to support your team and thief and rev pressures you all the time, they have to catch you once at %50 hp and earth in CD…..

I tried sage too . Probably i created a kittenty build but i found it weaker than mender . how do u set up it ? scepter focus ? earth ,fire ,tempest ?

Phineas Poe.3018:

Vagrant.7206:

And scrapper isn’t super competitive either, just kinda tanky.

I disagree, given that there’s a number of engineer mains in the top 20. Scrapper can get you some good mileage this season. It’s not as FOTM as dragonhunter and elementalist are, but it’s still a very solid profession.

The MetaBattle build is just not accurate.

Elementalist now is really strong and i have more fun with it now than with scrapper . ( i have never loved the gameplay melee of scrapper ) .

People think that mender ele is only a healer but with 2k power and 30% crit it has also a decent damage for an healer (if u add a sigil of accuracy you crit 1/3 of time which is quite good now ) . you are an healer but you can also win 1 vs 1 … it is much better than old cleric in this and it is less boring .

I find scrapper really strong too,or soloing i find mender stronger than paladin becouse supporting a team is really really strong . Mender scrapper has good damage too ( not as paladin ) but i find that sustaining a party when there is none that does it helps a lot for win. Obviously for this work i find mender ele better than mender scrapper so now , if there are no elementalists in my team i usually switch . It is sad but i find easier to win with an ele in team than with a scrapper ( at the same skill level obviously )