I am stack in ruby, i can understand what you mean but i find it wrong. PVP is competitive, not every one can arrive everywhere, otherwises there is no more competition . In a way or another, if i am stack in a point it is becouse this is near my skill level . I hope, if i will have time ( i work so i have not much time for playing ) to arrive at diamond , but if i stop in ruby, i don’t take it as an illness …. it is a game … Season 2 was really broken and meaningless imho, with really terrible loss strike or win strike, without much sense but now i find matchmaking good. there are matches in which i win 500-50 or i lose 50-500 but they are a really small part of the match i play. The major part of them are about 400-500 or so , which means that there is a game. Season 2 was really another trash history but now i find it much much better .
which build do you use ? I use marauder scrapper with medic gyro , elixir C , eg ,bulk gyro and snake gyro , hoelbrack runes , the meta or similar and usually it is hard but not impossible to figth them. I suggest you 2 things that people quite often don’t do :
remember that Elixir gun is a weapon, so use it when you are not melee, don’t camp in hammer all the time. Remember that Elixir Gun 5 + Hammer 2 remove 2 condi, toss elixir C remove 1 condi every 16 seconds . Necro usually have not great reheal possibility so you can go in stealth , reheal and come back and they will not have the health bar full again . The only real important thing, imho, as against warrior, is to get used to EG for condition cleaning in addition to elixir C. Also remember , from melee that eg 2 gives you speed ( so health ) . For me the key to beat condi burst with scrapper is the right use of elixir Gun. I have more problems with condi warriors becouse they force you to melee only fight. In any case they are possible matchup , not easy but not impossible . Eg + hammer 3 gives you frost aura, so , when i see necro with marks, i usually put under it eg 5 at start and then i lauch my self with hammer 3 and hammer 2 on it, so that i get frost aura at start and i remove fast the conditions from mark if i go on it. It is not perfect but it helps a lot imho .
I don’t play guardian but every time i play with 2 guardians ( or dh as you want ) … if the team on other side is not completely bad we lose … how is it possible ? is it so weak ?
I did not chose wander or rabid becouse a good vitality helps a lot to manage conditions . Mantra of resolve traited with Harmonious Mantra let you remove conditions 3 times every cast … it is not so weak . It is one of the strongest condition clean of the game …. in my opinion in this meta it is a must if you don’t have the inspiration trait line . Changing this trait let you really more weak against conditions .
Good points, but did you try to use the heal mantra a well? My point was not about Mantra of Resolve being bad, but about Harmonious Mantra being maybe underused with only one mantra.
I don’t love mantra heal but as you suggest i will give it a try
is it not better to take 2 distincts main hand weapon ? I play something like that but with scepter/torch, sword shield for example .Taking 2 times the same weapon means that when you have one side in cd and you switch, your skills are already in cd .
sword doesnt bring much to the table with condi pressure only evade frame mainly
scepter has 4 sec cd block , 7 sec #3 and give you the benefit to switch weapon which proc sigils and having still the ability to pressure with the scepter which is condi weapon and range one. so to lose it to melee sword which hardly does any dmg ….
I understand your pount but when you have scepter skills on cd you have only autoattack to make damage and it seems to me weaker than having 2 weapons , but perhaps i am wrong
is it not better to take 2 distincts main hand weapon ? I play something like that but with scepter/torch, sword shield for example .Taking 2 times the same weapon means that when you have one side in cd and you switch, your skills are already in cd .
Played a game last night. As soon as we enter map. 3 people DC and never come back. The 4th guy understandably says “scr&w this, whats the point?” and AFK’s the whole match.
That leaves me as 1v5??? So i have no choice but to AFK also.
What a freaking waste of time.
In my opinion it depends on when you go afk. If in a match you arrive at 50-350 … it is quite right to go afk. The fast i lose less time i waste … I really don’t understand why to go on when you can not win a fight and you die on every points in few seconds of fight. It happens quite often in solo to see one team nuked every time really fast.
What miss in this game is the surrender button
It looks weak to conditions, but that’s true of any builds without Inspiration. I don’t get your trait choices in Dueling. Harmonious Mantras, why not, but then why don’t you play at least the heal mantra? You could also play Mistrust, which would have a great synergy with your pistol #5 and shield #5, and with Duelist’s discipline. I also feel like Fencer’s finesse brings you nothing: you don’t need Ferocity in your build, and you probably don’t even notice the CD changes.
Instead, you could play Blinding Dissipation, which is a great trait in itself for a shatter-heavy build like yours, and take Ineptitude as a GM trait in Illusions, for mad confusion bursts!
Finally, Carrion is a great amulet and probably works very well, but you could try with Wanderer or Rabid, because with Sharper Images and pistol #4 that could be a lot of bleed stacks. Maybe it’s worth trying?
I know I suggested a lot of changes and it may alter your build too much. But I like this weapon combination. Tell us if you make it work!
I did not chose wander or rabid becouse a good vitality helps a lot to manage conditions . Mantra of resolve traited with Harmonious Mantra let you remove conditions 3 times every cast … it is not so weak . It is one of the strongest condition clean of the game …. in my opinion in this meta it is a must if you don’t have the inspiration trait line . Changing this trait let you really more weak against conditions .
I took Fencer only for sword time reduction but perhaps it is not good
your build is really fun, i tried it. The only problem, respect to meta, is that it is much harder at least for me to fight against condi bombers . Now, at least in EU , it is quite common to fight teams made with 4 o 5 condi spammer ( i also play engineer or condi mesmer ) and if u don’t burst down they fast… you die. A good condi warrior now , is not a simple matchup with nades for me. With classic eg, bulk gyro and blast gyro i find more easy to take him down.
Yes. i think problem is staff. When you are using it a good warrior, who is able to follow the real mesmer wrecks you. I am now playing something different. I have problem against warriors but i win them quite often . http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQRArf8enknBlphNqBmqBEgilXjCNAypj4sICikreYP2lF-TJRHABBcUAA4FAo7+DIVGAA
You lose mobility of staff but you can handle quite well condi and direct damage.
Nullfield helps a lot against warrior and necromancers and stealth helps you to really for putting down your aoe fields which are interruptible .
Yes. i think problem is staff. When you are using it a good warrior, who is able to follow the real mesmer wrecks you. I know play something different. I have problem against warriors but i win them quite often . http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQRArf8enknBlphNqBmqBEgilXjCNAypj4sICikreYP2lF-TJRHABBcUAA4FAo7+DIVGAA
You lose mobility of staff but you can handle quite well condi and direct damage.
Nullfield helps a lot against warrior and necromancers and stealth helps you to really for putting down your aoe fields which are interruptible .
I go far in 2 cases :
– i am using a build with which usually i win 1 vs 1 ( for example condi mesmer )
– i look at team composition and i see that we can not win mid .
As someone has already said , when there are 2 guardian or 2 necro at mid it is really hard to win if you don’t have the right team composition. So the only thing you can do is to go on 2 other points for making them split . Sometime it works. Taking their far usually have a huge psycological pressiure on many low level team and if they come on far in +1 against me, before i died my teammates are +1 elsewhere
In my opinion it is condi mesmer. It is a class with great mobility , not like thief but that can play smarty like thief and meanwhile it is more tank than thief. You can cap alone a point and wait for 2 to come to you and hope that your team will win other fights outnumbering the others
I used meta with carrion and scepter instead of sword for block ( sc/sh, staff) . Rune of scavenging and carrion, or sometimes rabid. I had problem only against condi warrior and condi necro … but not always .
I am playing different builds . I have no problem in this season, except against condi warriors and condi necromancer. Which build do you use for going in 1vs 1 against them ? which amulet ? Carrion ? I usually play alone and i find mesmer really effective used as “thief” … i run on a point and i sit on it going 1vs 1 for all the time … if i win 1vs 1 is ok .. if i lose 1 vs x with x >1 it is ok again becouse my team is +1 elsewhere . The only thing i have problem to fight is condi bomber.
you can try condition mesmer with scepter torch , sword sword. It is not strong as chrono but i think it is viable now . Yhave good stealth accesses and blocks. I play it with rabid but you can use carrionr also. Usually in a match i look at party composition, if there are 2 or more necromancer i take carrion amulet, otherwise rabid but they are imho them both strong . Chrono is better for me only for the 25% speed . Shield is really strong but also offhand sword traited is quite good http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQRAsc7flknhy0YjawDNwtGLvGUZC2Q0OLSQOOaAy5RA-TJRFABRVGAgTCACPBAh3fAA
I tried to go against condi warrior with scrapper. It depends on player but it is not an impossible matchup . If you are used to handle condition builds , you can do it ( i find eg 5 and hammer 2 combo quite usefull ) . I also play condi mesmer with scepter torch , sword- shield. With it usually i have no problem to go 1vs 1 against warrior. I die usually against power warrior when in teamfight i don’t look at them and they hit me like a truck ( usually when i am focusing something else ) . I really don’t understand how people say that now mesmer is weak … the only class i have problem against is condi necro but it depends on the fact that i usually play rabid. If i go carrion , sometimes i can also win 1vs 1 against condi reaper
It’s funny – the mercenary amulet removal is kind of a buff because it’s easier to kill players who were using merc in builds and have now switched to glassier amulets.
And you don’t lose much with Carrion – damage is just as good (condi damage is better), and with our active defences the loss in toughness isn’t a big deal.
is that viable even against condi necromancer ? do you suggest to use it staff /sword shield or staff /scepter shield ? (now if traited as a condi weapon scepter is really strong ) . I was also think of something like sword shield , scepter / X where X can be torch or pistol … any suggestion ?
it is really simple imho. In pve everything works so it works condi engineer and power engineer. In spvp instead there is a huge difference between that and power scrapper is much easier and effective to play that condi engineer
So what is more viable for 1v1 situations Sc/T and what? GS or Staff or Sw/Sw or Sw/Sh
Also now after the patch, should the Chrono line be given up?
Either stick with sword/shield, or you can take the more offensive set of scepter/sword, sword/shield. Sword/shield for full defensive set, scepter/sword is more offensive but the benefit of 2 low cd blocks (also good for moar colne production).
why not sword shield, scepter torch ? you have no block ok but you gain burning
Which will be the most nerf class tomorrow with balance patch ? ( i bet mesmer )
Any bet is welcome . Second question : what people will complain on in season 3 ?
I bet engineer
In my opinion the real problem of this game is not class balance. A lot of people complain on this or that and call for a nerf on this or that.
Everyone usually play at least 2 classes and if you go solo , it is quite normal to switch to what it can better for party so it is not a great problem to take a “strong” setup .
The real problem , that makes people go away from this game is match making. There are classes, builds stronger than other, ok , but when you are paired with players much stronger than you the classes/builds don’t do a so huge difference. The real problem of this game, at least in season 2 , was matchmaking and i really hope season 3 will have a better or more tuned system .
So if a player aim at bursting in team play and roaming at far points to engage in 1v1 and cap/decap, what rune and amulet, weapons and traits, he/she should be using?
Carrion if with sword , rabid/wanderer with scepter. Mesmer power imho is not that great in spvp now . It is a personal opinion but bursting 1 vs 1 is not simple with shatter now . If you go condi mesmer , in 1 vs 1 you are really really strong . The important is to achive the resault …
I think it is not viable . I played condi engi since 2012. I played a lot scrapper in various form. Now, bored from scrapper, i tried condi mesmer . If you go pistol pistol … it can works , ok but is suboptimal becose you have not any defense. Take mesmer for example : i play scepter , shield / staff condition ( scepter has been buffed nowdays ) . Scepter has a block every 4.5 seconds or blind + shield , staff have a great skill of evasion staff (2). You have good condi damage and also you can easily avoid damage . Engineer with pistol pistol does not have it. You can have it taking toolkit with power wrench , but you are, in my opinion, less strong that power scrapper . Against a scrapper on the same level you lose. IF you play scrapper condi, with p/p you have to give up to power wrench or to alchemy , in any case you are quite easy to take down .
I understood the difference trying condi mesmer
You are just completly unaware of the usage and strenght of warrior at the moment – and according to you you are even warrior main – sad fact.
I can assure you if EU teams wouldn’t have so many thief mains they probably all would play warrior comp like TCG is doing. Warrior isn’t far away from rev/mes/druid lvl at the moment.
Warrior got buffed last patch and it’s obvious.
However, it is still underperforming in most cases of CONQUEST.
As you said, it’s still beneath the magical 3.
The very fact 1 class can’t enter teams because of just Thieves, says more than enough honestly.
Did it stop DPS Shatters to be part of teams 1-3 years ago, even vs teams with thieves? No.
But it does stop warriors from entering.. Why’s that? Because the regen is OP?
Which can easily be countered, fyi? All classes have free low cd poison somewhere. That’s a 33% reduction.
Poison ALWAYS killed warrs in the long run.
I think he meant that players on those teams actually main thief and would rather play that class (which let’s be honest is more fun anyway) than jump to a class they don’t main.
Also poison stopped to be a counter since nowdays wars have high uptime on resistance and relative frequent condi cleanse. Same reason blind is quite ineffective as well now.
Perhaps i met bad warriors, but in the last day i am playing heavily conditions and i had really no problem in taking warriors down ( condi mesmer )
I can agree on part of the OP but there is a point . If you nerf or modify conditions you have to change heavily some classes otherwise you do better to delete them . Take mesmer for example. It is really good with condition .. .but without condition, imho , it is far than viable . So it is not so easy to modify condition becouse if you want to put them as and add to direct damage and not as a replace… you have to redesign some classes or some part of them
I think that mesmer is really strong even without mercenary. you lose 560 toughness but you gain in vitality with carrion amulet or sage and mesmer has really many tools for mitigate damage. In my opinion it is not in a bad spot. I don’t know if mesmer will be meta in top tier tournament, but i think it will be great again for soloing the 3rd season . It can be different for high level pvp but i am not at that level and i don’t do tournaments so it is not so important for me . For casual players it is more than strong .
i tried a different approch. I tried warander chronomancer full condition with staff and scepter shield and i have to say that it is really strong now . Try it . i really love mesmer sword ( more than gs ) but now in my opinion scepter deserve a try.
for example: thief,rev or any other classes with heavy directdmg, pala(with final salvo) is the safer way.
On ther other hand, if you face more heavy condi specs like necs,mesmer,condi wars etc. go marauder(adaptive armor)
First option is in my opinion only useful, when you face just one condi spec otherwise i prefer marauder(adaptive) cause you sh#t on every condi spec, which are more potent lately.
In my opinion carrion and sage will not be the way. The only viable way , imho will be rabid or warander . The reason is simple : there are many classes with huge spike damage ( for example thieves, marauder engineer , some necros ) and if you want to last you have to have toughness. Only with vitality is not so simple to stay alive even becose mesmer has not the absurd ele regen
I bet season 3 meta will be the same as before but wanderer amulet instead of mercenary. I tried sage and carrion , you have good damage , ok but you are really easy to kill . And i think that many will take mantra of pain .
