Guild Wars 2

Kiliaan.1934:

Consider team A 20 players the surround and team B 20 players. Team A will have to move in and select a small group of players from team B to attack. While entire team A using AoE skills will hit their max aoe cap of 5 players with every skill making team B much more effective. Simply watch any recent match of EP dominating with this tactic against guilds that had been previously destroying.

Tight blobs aren’t always the best strategy, even stacking regroups are not the best decisions. The real problem comes in not on the evenly matched fights but the fact that the most effective strategy is not more skill but more numbers, this is a WvW game design flaw.

If AoE cap was removed it would greatly favor team B, and make stacking a more risky strategy; I am a fan. Yet the meta would certainly shift and my opinion is that it would change from mega zerging to siege creeping and holding chokes.

I’m fairly certain you just mixed up A and B… a lot. For instance, Team A will have to select small clumps of Team B while team A will hit 5 people with every aoe which makes team B more effective… wat?

Nikkinella.8254:

Turtle.4130:

Well for a start Ele’s aren’t restricted to melee, whereas warriors are (A ranged warrior loses out on a LOT of mobility, even if GS is secondary).
If you remove/nerf their gap closers, they just become walking sacks of HP for all ranged classes to kill.

Heck, I actually fought against a Hammer + Mace/Shield Warr the other day on my ranger and due to him not having any gap closers, downed him before he could really do anything to me.

Actually eles ARE restricted to either melee or ranged depending on what weapon they have. you can’t swap weapons in combat.

Lol ele melee is 300-600 range. That’s not melee.

Broadicea.8294:

BBMouse.6510:

Healing builds are working pretty well. Might kill slower but works wonder if you see the whole party are almost always full hp at all times.

healing builds “work” in the same way that a yugo “works” compared to a maserati

My spoon also “works” as a knife.

ElenaDragon.8401:

Firefly.5982:

It is so so bad to start playing video games with your kids that young. The skills she learns doing SAB can be learned a hundred other, healthier ways. However. She is doing a great job and having fun and I have to admit the video is super cute. I still wish she was building a fort outside instead or something :P

What about video games is unhealthy? It’s way better than TV, which seems to be more acceptable for young kids.

Didn’t you know that playing tag teaches them analytical skills and puzzle solving?

Broadicea.8294:

Thing thing about Aragorn is he realizes when to weapon swap to a higher-DPS option

Psh, when did you last see a zerker out dps a ranger? They even have to be carried

Broadicea.8294:

As long as they can do like half of the warrior’s personal DPS they’re still a party-wide gain from Spotter and Frost Spirit

*depending on what they replaced and on what content

“We did some before she went to bed tonight, but only made it past the first gate on W1 Z1, while dying about 5 times in the process. Ugh. Lol.”

5 times? Pretty sure she beat some people.

Charak.9761:

This is a ranger, when was the last time you saw him with a bow?

Wat?

“But ahm a range-er!”

I’ve gotten gold on 3 autos with my warrior longbow. Hit harder?

Ya how dare he do a good job and actually talk to the community! He should be like the anet reps in the dungeon subforum and never say anything, just delete the occasional post and collect a paycheck!

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Player Character.9467:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Or just use Combat Mode like all of the good players do.

Except Anet refuses to give that approval.

Yeah, because they can’t support a third party application. They’ve said that it is not something they will ban for.[/quote]

They also said there wouldn’t be gear past exotics and many other things :P

Broadicea.8294:

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palm —-—→ face

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

TexRob.5183:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

I made one only to find it’s going to cost millions of gold to craft it to level 80. I don’t even know if I can be bothered to level it at all.

Water is fire, look, I can just make stuff up too!

So according to gw2crafts it will cost about 700g to craft my way CLOSE to level 80, because each profession gives 7 levels from 0-400 and 3 levels from 400-500. Not to mention that I can only take 3 professions to level 500. So yes, it’s literally millions of gold to level my Necromancer.

Do 20 with one of those scrolls, then it’s just 60 more lvls, do 0-400 for the 7 lvls on 8 crafts to get to 76. Refine some ori/ancient wood you got lying around for a bit of some 400-425 leveling or swap the character in at the end of dungeons for the exp.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Player Character.9467:

Advent Leader.1083:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

All classes operate by using autoattack supplemented with weapon abilities or utility skills. I don’t understand why people want to complain that one single class is “just press 1 over and over.”

To be fair, they saw the wrong class. It’s engineers that you need to press 1 over and over most of the time when in a specific build, because we don’t have an auto attack for grenades.

They really need an “I’m in PvE so I don’t need to aim at a moving target, just put the aoe centered on my target” button for grenade 1.

Or just use Combat Mode like all of the good players do.

Except Anet refuses to give that approval.

Knote.2904:

Old games are old.

Where is our Everquest mana resource for this game?

We should have to meditate for 15 minutes after every mob kill.

That’s fun right? Just like having to grind pointless crap in SAB instead of just focusing on pure puzzle solving and jumping puzzles.

But the dig sites ARE puzzles, you just read a guide so you find them to be mindlessly walking to point X instead of looking at the area and thinking where they would stick one. If you had to meditate for 15 minutes, you were doing it wrong. Autoattack off, sit on a mount.

You mean zerg busting? Zerk(er) would be somebody in zerker gear…

wildfang.9670:

Hype.8032:

Red Falcon.8257:

skillionaire.3574:

Only thing that needs changing imo is the skullcrack from 3 to 2 secs, match it with the earthshaker that’s already 2 sec stun.

How about you slot Stability instead.

Stability is the most fundamental PvP boon, if you run without it you are begging to die.

LF Thief Stability…

stun breaks and movent skills for a theif

Which are on 0s cd if they’re on your weapons.

iKeostuKen.2738:

Hammer can literally stun lock a target(s) on a very short amount of cool down i might add.

Assuming you let all the incredibly visible attacks land.
Earthshaker – 2s on burst cd + adrenaline generation (lol @ generating adrenaline w/hammer)
Staggering blow – push, doesn’t actually lock you and moves you too far away for anything but earthshaker to land
Backbreaker – 2s on 30s cd

Chorazin.4107:

Player Character.9467:

K U T M.4539:

Red Falcon.8257:

How can people still be this uninformed on classes?

Ele’s mobility was nerfed because Ele can bunker.
Bunker+Mobility = no. Infact Guards/Necros have poor mobility too.

Warriors cannot bunker in the slightest, just like Thieves, so they rely on speed.
If they nerf War’s mobility, then War should be able to bunker.
And believe me you’d hate that a lot more than a runaway Warrior.

They’re probably one of the best bunkers in the game atm…

No protection, no regen unless you engage on their essentially stationary banner, using burst skills to cleanse conditions is blocked by blind and removes adrenal health when successful, successful bunker build highly vulnerable to poison or burst power pressure.

No regen? Healing signet is around 400+ a tick, DM procs regen for 3 seconds every 10 seconds. No protection sure, but you are still rocking 25-30k HP’s, 2200+toughness and 3500 armour. On top of this you have 2 endure pains, 1 as a skill slot and 1 at 25% health(traited) and you have a Dolyak signet to slot to increase toughness. You can slot the shield for 3 seconds of blocking(in addition to your 8 seconds worth of endure pain).

How are you vulnerable to poison? Melandru, Lemongrass, DM is 98% condition duration reduction.

(1) Healing signet is not regen, it’s also your 6 slot skill.
(2) DM procs when somebody actually procs it.
(3) Last I checked poison wasn’t cripple/chill/immobilize so no, DM doesn’t work on it.
(4) Pizza+traits = 70% condi duration, your 65% reduction is now gone and there are classes that can poison @ 100% uptime with just the regular duration. Seriously, go play against some1 in dire gear and tell me how well your reduction works if they’re stacking food, traits, giver’s weapons, and their own runes.
(5) Your 2×4s endure pain are on a 60s cd, and your 3s block stance is on a 30s cd. That’s 14s out of 60 sure, but your opponent is equally invulnerable during block stance and conditions/cc still go straight through endure pain (both before and after using it).
(6) Your stats aren’t actually important as anybody else in a pure tank set of gear can achieve relatively equal results.

unleashed.8679:

Dolan.3071:

Remove all gear stats except Berserker from PvE and that would clear up any confusion people seem to have with this game. Support comes from weapon choice, utilities and traits, the gear you’re wearing is irrelevant. Whilst I understand where TheGuy is coming from and how this shouldn’t be the case, but gear variation is ultimately different levels of ‘training wheels’ until you’re experienced enough to go full zerk, and to be honest I quite like this system. I mean have you seen a <500 AP player actually pull off full Berserker well? And by ‘well’ I mean not camping at ranged/CoF1.

Small question:
Why didn’t ANet then use PvP Armor in WvW and invented all that new armor stat combinations especially for PvE/WvW?
Put in different materials for crafting different armor, when, with your logic, only one is needed? And so on and so forth…

So your logic is “it’s there therefore it’s all equal”? Do you approach buying a car the same way?

Advent Leader.1083:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

All classes operate by using autoattack supplemented with weapon abilities or utility skills. I don’t understand why people want to complain that one single class is “just press 1 over and over.”

To be fair, they saw the wrong class. It’s engineers that you need to press 1 over and over most of the time when in a specific build, because we don’t have an auto attack for grenades.

They really need an “I’m in PvE so I don’t need to aim at a moving target, just put the aoe centered on my target” button for grenade 1.

Broadicea.8294:

Alissah.9281:

CHIPS.6018:

It doesn’t make any sense for those low level dungeons to scale players down to their level. It mess up many player’s build big time.

How exactly does down scaling mess up a build?

I never had my build meesed up. I still have stats, traits, runes and weapons. The only thing that down scaling does is make all stats lower, to match the area you are in. It doesnt mess up builds if you ask me.

When they revamped downscaling, they significantly reduced crit damage at low levels. A character who brings 100% normally will see theirs at something like 5% in AC. But it’s an exaggeration to say your zerk build is ruined, since you’ll still be doing more damage than if you were in PTV or Valk or anything else.

I would imagine it’s more like 100*35/80=43.75, now go look at the critdmg you could manage to stack at that level? Oh hey it’s still more.

Tyaen.5148:

saiyr.3071:

…the guy I was initially replying to said that. Who is not reading what now?

Then learn to quote properly, because you quoted me.

TIL Tyaen.5148 is Masamoon.3864

saiyr.3071:

Masamoon.3864:

Looking for fights in lower tiers is just not viable unless you count farming pugs, some people are into that cough Agg cough RG cough. The skill difference even between just most guild in T1 and T2 NA is huge, its not even funny.

You’re right, the skill difference is pretty huge…T2 is way better than T1 I will be quite interested in seeing the outcome of Choo vs EP GvG.

Broadicea.8294:

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Hamfast.8719:

My elementalist has only ONE self healing skill available underwater. What’s the logic behind that?

Did you forget to unlock all your heal skills? Signet and glyph are both underwater skills.

Dolan.3071:

Also why does no one appreciate Ele blinds? Q _Q

Hammer blind? You can’t just press a button to instantly pop it when you want it, you have to get to it in a slow hammer auto chain.

Eliteseraph.4970:

It’s pronounced:

TeqLOOTle, the Lootless.

Because we’ve been beating the crap out of that kitten dragon and taking it’s loot every 18 hours or so for over a year now.

18 hours? o.O

You only need to hit it a few times for gold reward currently anyway.

TheGuy.3568:

Player Character.9467:

TheGuy.3568:

If somebody was only dps and had no support then those dps groups would have 0 might stacks, never have fury, use 0 of the class specific buff mechanics, attempt all skips without swiftness, never use vulnerability, etc. They would attain substantially lower dps. Support isn’t just about healing/protection/aegis, you’re confusing defensive support with support in general.

Not really. Many classes can stack might on their own and there are very few things outside the regular build needed to do this. You are over exaggerating things for effect. No might? No fury? (your’e joking right?) For example I could run full dps nades on my engineer and still give high vulnerability stacks some swiftness and some might. Same with my warrior. Same with elementalist etc etc. Offensive boons fly around but you are correct some builds excel at giving them and still at the end of the day they invest nothing into support stats. Now do you understand? You are confusing support with DPS boosting a common mistake but a mistake none the less.

BTW the example you give is not support but maximizing DPS. A DPS group maximizes DPS (obviously). Even swiftness (which moves you to targets faster over the course of a dungeon) adds to the speed. If you consider might stacks support you need to widen your scope. That DPS tunnel vision has many of you blind to the bigger picture.

to summarize do not put lipstick on the DPS pig and call it support.

Edit:

It needs to be reiterated that support isn’t really necessary (which you actually illustrate in your post). It isn’t something to get angry or argumentative over. No one runs it because it is inefficient. That is a fact not a complaint. That is the situation. As long as you have yourselves convinced that the little support you bring to your DPS build is equal to running a support build then no progress can be made. Like I said before in terms of what players need the dungeon community is fine as is. If players need gear there are better and faster ways to get it. Same with loot and karma.

Boost – to raise, lift from below, push upward or ahead
Support – to bear the weight of, especially from below

Hmmm….

TheGuy.3568:

If you consider might stacks support you need to widen your scope. That DPS tunnel vision has many of you blind to the bigger picture.

I need to broaden my view because I consider offensive support, defensive support, and auxiliary support to all be support while you only consider healing/aegis/protection to be support?…

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

1. craft berserker gear
2. craft soldier gear
3. combine both into 1 gear
4. swap between both stats
5. profit

and now instead of 2 sets with 2 sets of runes/sigils, you have 1 set with 1 set of runes/sigils

Why do people keep talking about zerker dps on the boss? You can’t crit tequatl… precision and crit dmg useless so PTV or cleric’s for power builds. Condi builds also shouldn’t be defending the cannons because unless you’re organized and spiking condis on 1 mob then epidemicing it (lol coordination in pug pve zerg?), you aren’t going to take them out fast enough compared to power based dmg spiking.

Lol wat? mag won the 3way at durios.

Evilzara.6378:

Player Character.9467:

Guis! Dunt run in!

Did they manage to take it from you?

Edit: Because they had over 60 people.

No, they wiped. Minions don’t really care about massive skill lag and the minion zerg soaks up the aoe cap. My favourite was there was a guy downed at the water outer and I tagged him for kill credit by warrior fall traiting to my death onto him.

Guis! Dunt run in!

Zelyhn.8069:

One day we complain that dunduns are too easy, the next day we complain that we can’t get BIS in a blink of an eye

I feel like you’re trying to say that easier dungeons would make it easier to get BiS gear… dungeons are still stupidly easy and BiS gear is now a mind numbing grind of press 1 in uncoordinated zergs instead of what anet promised they would do with gear. It’s not an issue of time, it’s an issue of time spent doing absolutely nothing interesting.

K U T M.4539:

Red Falcon.8257:

How can people still be this uninformed on classes?

Ele’s mobility was nerfed because Ele can bunker.
Bunker+Mobility = no. Infact Guards/Necros have poor mobility too.

Warriors cannot bunker in the slightest, just like Thieves, so they rely on speed.
If they nerf War’s mobility, then War should be able to bunker.
And believe me you’d hate that a lot more than a runaway Warrior.

They’re probably one of the best bunkers in the game atm…

No protection, no regen unless you engage on their essentially stationary banner, using burst skills to cleanse conditions is blocked by blind and removes adrenal health when successful, successful bunker build highly vulnerable to poison or burst power pressure.

Kalkz breaks computer, BP starts doing better.

CHIPS.6018:

It doesn’t make any sense for those low level dungeons to scale players down to their level. It mess up many player’s build big time.

This makes no sense, your stat balance remains the exact same and you keep all your lvl 80 traits. Nothing of your build changes. Raising all dungeons to 80 would just make it much harder for low lvls to run AC, CM, TA, SE.

The goats follow set routes, turn on all the other lights, set the other ones on so that the goats will set it all for you.

or at least be able to complete the regular achievs in Trib. Pretty silly that the secret rooms don’t count.

It’s more likely that any lag/collision issues are still present in normal mode, you just don’t notice because it doesn’t result in instadeath.

Avatara.1042:

Player Character.9467:

Helenorz.2547:

and that’s if you can actually get Balthazar to open to get you some Obsidian Shards if you don’t have any Frac relics/laurels

Orrian boxes.

Good luck with that droprate…

Basically everything that requires obsidian shards has other considerably more difficult requirements too. The drop rate isn’t an issue as you get gold to fund other components while you gather up your shards.

Arkham Creed.7358:

Displays server wide prices.

Why would you want to see prices that don’t reflect the entirety of what is on the TP?

TheGuy.3568:

If somebody was only dps and had no support then those dps groups would have 0 might stacks, never have fury, use 0 of the class specific buff mechanics, attempt all skips without swiftness, never use vulnerability, etc. They would attain substantially lower dps. Support isn’t just about healing/protection/aegis, you’re confusing defensive support with support in general.

14/14/14/14/14 Celsetial

20 per dungeon path, go.

You don’t need any of these things for 2-2. You need the item you get during 2-2 to complete 2-2. Also the candle is free.

Stx.4857:

redslion.9675:

Stx.4857:

Healing signet is so crazy compared to other classes passive healing. You have to spend 20 pts in blood as a necro just to get 100 health on crit attacks, warrior gets passive 400 per second, unbelievable.

You know that HS occupies a Healing Skill slot, right? RIGHT?

Please, don’t compare it to HPS gained from traits. Compare it to HPS gained from traits PLUS HPS from your healing skill.

You wanna complain about Warrior cheese? Be my guest, but don’t bring stupid arguments to the table.
Thank you.

passive healing is passive healing, regardless of where it comes from. Shall I compare it to the thiefs healing signet(which also occupies a healing slot RIGHT??!11). Thief signet heals 100 per strike, meaning you have to actually hit something, and you lose healing if you’re CC’d, being kited, etc. To match the healing from warrior signet, a thief has to strike his target 4 times per second! lol

Now that you mention healing from traits, warriors also have passive healing from traits dont they? Passive healing from adrenalin is what exactly? Im not sure but ill bet its better than 40 healing per attack and 100 per attack that necros have to spend 20 pts in blood and two trait skills on.

Why would comparing the strength of a trait heal to that of a heal slot heal make sense? The person with the trait also has their 6 skill in addition to the trait…

Loco.4561:

Do you even play the same game? Warriors can bunker while still pushing out more than respectable DPS, i duo WvW with a warrior who can do 17k hundred blades and he has over 3000 armor (can’t remember the exact number but it might even be 3500)… Tell him he can’t bunker lol

So he has cavalier stats and sometimes gets a bunch of crits. Cool story bro.

Ebay welcome to t1 combat.

skilled small group combat right?