@Doni your build Looks fun it will take practice landing pull into warden then confuse ray, though why emerald jewel. Other than that try runes of the sunless for lols with mass invis and chaotic interruption. Get rid of sigil of agony it is a waste in wvw, instead throw on sigil of doom and condi duration food.
In condi mesmer builds sigils of doom is king.
With your low power the 25% damage to phantasms isnt that great, i dont go anywhere in wvw without extended blink maybe use that 1 point for that. Extended blink opens up so many special juke locations.
Why not try a 2/4/0/2/6 shatter-condi build after the patch, Joe? Switch it up a little. Pop on Tormenting runes in a condi set and go ham. Swap out the Sword for Scepter too I guess. Luckily it’s a condition that’s not frequently used, so you can get your own 18-20 stacks of Torment on people. Also, have you tried lowering your crit chance to 50% instead of 66%. Do you notice any difference at all? I have never been able to notice a difference unless I hit 100% once I get it to 50%. 50-99% all feels the same to me.
About the lowering crit chance what would he put those points into. With fury he will be sitting at 86% chance, that is great but lots of people say that much is a waste. They are incredibly wrong due to the fact that he easily makes up for the passive defense with active skills, when running with a guardian his might stacks go off the chart so if he used power food it wouldnt be as large of a total percentage change, it allows his bursts to be consistent (super important), the guardian also adds some passive and active defenses ontop of his large amounts of dodges, blinks, invulns, chaos armors, invis, blurred frenzy, and prevention caused by interrupts.
So yeh why would he lower his crit chance.
Oh and your build is way tankier than a reg shatter, you need more condi clears than just menders purity and ether feast. With scepter and energy sigils get rid of mirror images and toss in condi clear mantra, it will clear condis including fear locks. Get rid of sigil of bursting and toss on Doom for poison shutdown.
Will give you more damage and you will even survive way better. Maybe even use arcane teafury if you feel comfortable with it (double traited for manipulations allowing blink to prevent more deaths than ever).
Oh i know you are all about damage maxing, but i have been having a blast using masterful reflection with gs/st shatter build. Reflecting all those condi builds key skills is a blast and longbow rangers are soon going to be eating 2 second rapid fires like chumps. It has allowed me to wreck a few condi warriors which normally are terrible for me.
i dont mind it unless i get in a downed vs downed against a ranger lol, or ranger underwater. Easy stomping most nub eles, start stomp, pause and break it, start stomp, and blink to where they mistformed. Doesnt work vs about 60% of eles i fight and is kinda a hassle, but super fun.
welcome back, Im going to be leaving nsp for a while once i get back in game hoping to run into you guys in some of the matchups. Nice guide, though when running sw,x/st shatter i have always found greatsword mesmers food. Btw did you ever end up liking gs/st shatter.
Was fighting a ranger and warrior and eventually got downed, but not before dealing substantial damage to both of them. They took to long to get to me and finish me because they decided to corpse jump me so my explosion was off cd. When they went to finish me i used it knocking them off probably a 3-4 foot ledge which i didnt think was high enough to do damage. The damage from skill 3 and the small fall was enough to insta kill both of them.
youre lucky the devs are a bit slack in this game… any other and all these terrible builds would have been destroyed by now, stealth would have had a rework this is on all classes not just Mesmer
Im not a fan of PU, but go kitten on the balance forum or in game; this post doesnt belong on this thread. Go to a different forum please.
On another note bountiful int is sweet with gs and runes of strength or hoelbrak, just remember to take might on swap. Gotta love that stuff.
Staff is how i beat most warriors, but i would not recommend it in power PU it just doesnt fit as well as in shatter. Maybe cripple on clonedeath you lose damage that way though.
That is what i enjoy sometimes i take extended blink over dodge clones, but being able to shatter when needed is nice. Havent used the build post crit nerf swapped to shatter to have a higher power burst and because i was feeling risky.
^His build is fantastic, but doesnt do as well in small team wvw imo because the lack of the sword evade and immob. That being said i run it lots if i have another mesmer running sword mainhand or i just feel like changing things up a bit.
Monns replied to your response for me i guess. You will get 1/2 hit that is part of the fact of being glass mesmer.
Dont run strength solo roaming, run travelers they make a huge difference. The extra move speed allows you to avoid lots of damage.
I always take staff with me because the skill 2 lets you dodge so many bursts including other mesmer shatters. Right now i am running sw/sw staff (yesterday it was gs/st and the day before it was sw/p staff). I dont mind 100% zerker just dont get at distance by a ranged weapon user, if you mess up 1 rifle war rapid fire/ ranger lb rapid fire can kill you. Best way to deal with those is magic bullet/blink diversion then shatter combo.
Well nice to see you back Fay, but i have to say learning how to shatter before learning how to PU is definitely a smart move just for the playstyle it opens up and makes you a better mesmer imo. Yes most thieves have the upper hand on me but then again i get way more than 50% of them with a disruption before they can cnd or hs or such and burst them down hard. The one thief spec that i am having the most problem with is s/d but then again i have only fought a few of them in wvw and they have been good players and close fights. Im not a fan of Pu just because i find so many traits to have more enjoyable playstyles, again IMO.
Good luck playing shatter in WvW and just get owned by thieves, eles or many other classes. You could call PU easy mode, and yes it is a crutch. Unfortunately, Mesmer needs PU to survive because of all the other stuff that is thrown at you. There are a lot of worse things out there then a PU mesmer – ex. Condi Thief
:/ i manage to solo roam glkittenter all the time, just dont do it with lag.
@NICENIKESHOE
Sadly, unlike Joe I don’t have a roaming partner and I do roam a lot alone. I will probably take I Bamf Joe’s build out of the four. Thanks for helping me narrow it down. It’s hard to decide between full glass or knights, because glass has almost no room for error where as knights or knights/soldiers mix has a bit more flexibility. I guess it depends on my skill level.
@Jurica
I have tried your build I could never grasp the gs/staff shatter idea. I have a weird mindset of being close to my enemies rather than keeping distant from them. Even with utility changes for a bit more invisibility, I still got destroyed in 1v2+. Then I started playing around and liked the Staff+Sword/Sword and GS+Sword/Torch. I still died a good amount, BUT I learned how to portal finisher!
I’m still a bit scared about crafting full ascended berserker armor though.
@killahmayne
I really liked the condition removal in this build, it really helped me with fights against necro’s and survive a bit longer against condition warriors. I personally would call this build the “anti-guardian/ele” build just because of the amazing boon removal, but the phantasms in this build have unreliable damage thus making it REALLY rely on shatters for damage. Why did you chose Cavalier gear over Knights?
@Pwent
It is fun, but the most difficult for a solo roaming play style.
I would put the most difficult solo shatter style as gs/st shatter, but i never use any non zerker gear on my mesmer so not having the sword evade wrecks me if i miss play.
Solo roaming just swap out mirror images for condi clear mantra and runes of strength for runes of travel. That is my regular set up.
The bamf joes build has been around way before he started using it. He just has his own personal slight gear changes. That being said he plays it amazingly and is the only person i know who vids it. My vote is for it, being that it is the most fun to play imo.
Does the 200power bonus apply to your stealth attack or the skills you use as you are under the effects of the revealed debuff. Im hoping the latter so i can backstab and mug midway and other fun things of the sort like boosted clusterbombs.
Joe, I find that shatter is really strong underwater. I am able to kill lots of builds i would normally have issues with. If you ever shatter underwater what rotations do you like to use.
Maybe it’s just me but when I think of glass, I think of damage spike illusions like iZerker , iDuelist and iSwordsman or just a shatter build. When I think of a more tanky and survivability orientated build I think PU. But that’s just me.
having a trait that gives you boons DOESN’T make you a tank.
It kinda does, took on 2 eles and a necro with my zerker PU build yesterday and didnt drop below half thanks to the invis, prot, regen, and terrain.
It’s a glass PU build people. Stop trying to turn it into something it’s not. Invis+boons don’t make you some unkillable creature. He wanted survivability with his glassy setup and picked PU. If he gets cc’d he dies just as fast as a zerker shatter mesmer or zerker anything for that matter.
It’s zerker PU build. Having one of the best applications of Prot and Aegis in the game and solid regen equates to not dying as fast a a zerker shatter sorry. Not to even talk about the additional 300toughness. So yes he will die as fast as a shatter mesmer if he got boon stripped and vuln stacked.
Full stop. Pyro please remove yourself and preferably your comments from this thread. You have a right be upset with anet. But you do not have a right to bring that caustic attitude to new players, especially given how hard you try to contribute to the mesmer community.
actually pyro is right though. this persom over exaggerates everything here in this thread and sorry but telling him to leave is not your place. no one in these forums has the right to tell someone to shut up. pyro knows every inch of mesmer builds and yes hi might no notice every bug right away cause he doesnt play the affected build atm, but he goes and tests it.
he is being honest about things to other players and we all know pyro is not someone that sweet talks anything. op was exaggerating and whining about a build that didnt make sense to me the way he described it.
Read the actual thread from the beginning. The person was asking a serious question and pyro immediately begins with sarcasm. And I’m not asking him to leave these forums. I am asking him to leave this thread. I don’t care if he doesn’t sweet talk things. If his first inclination is to be rude, then I would prefer he leave threads like this, especially because it seems like he doesn’t wish to participate.
As I stated elsewhere in this thread, I’m perfectly happy to contribute less sarcasm if someone comes asking with enough self-awareness to realize that making a laundry list of mechanics that cover about 4 different builds is a silly thing to do.
Just found this thread, your first answer was the only thing i would have been able to think of also. He described an impossible build, if he described something remotely real a legit answer would have been proper.
Get one or 2 pistoleers up and kite and dodge with sword to trigger clonedeath on the enemy, then leap in for frenzy. Mirror for extra dodge and reflect every 17 seconds or so. Will probably need some condi clear support so 2 man might be best.
You have no clue what you are talking about, the direct-dmg-thief was nerfed like hell. Try it yourself! I would like to see videos of you beating condibunkers with closed eyes, pls show us…
As a non thief i agree with this :/. That being said sb still hardcounters mesmer.
.I could never grasp the gs/staff shatter idea. I have a weird mindset of being close to my enemies rather than keeping distant from them. Even with utility changes for a bit more invisibility, I still got destroyed in 1v2+. Then I started playing around and liked the Staff+Sword/Sword and GS+Sword/Torch. I still died a good amount, BUT I learned how to portal finisher!
