rangers are just playthings for op’d thieves in wvw, which is why I’ve stayed out of wvw for a while now.
I got hit by a thief tonight who did 3 strikes for a total +25,000 damage, (I only have about 16k) before I ever saw him…… so yeah I agree with this guy ^
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I’m not saying it should all be sparkles and rainbows, but all of the wall of text peeing contests going on in this thread are extremely childish and silly.
That’s your opinion. I personally don’t think it’s fair to call what other people write “childish” considering your comments amount to whining about whining.
Some people enjoy writing / reading longer debates, if you don’t, just skip it.
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Thought sPvP was server specific? Either way, the argument is whether an upscaled ranger can be a threat in WvW.
I think the issue here is that what you consider a good solo roaming class isn’t the same as what other people might think. Ganking lowbies, people not ready for 1v1 or just all around bad players… and then losing to the average level 80 really isn’t such a great accomplishment. Certainly not something to recomend a WvW class / build around.
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Can’t we all just get along and enjoy the matchup instead of whine and argue? I really have to say this is the most equal matchup I’ve seen recently, and it’s actually been fun fighting with you CD and IoJ guys.
I realize there are rules, and that treating other’s with respect is important…. but I find nothing but patting each other on the back and talking about points, to be extremely boring.
Some of you are always quick to come in with the please don’t argue comments…. but the whole point of internet forums is to give your real opinions.
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Same with the guys pretending KH isn’t a good guild, while they take your entire border land.
It’s just sour grapes.
Not difficult to take a borderland when the defenders are outmanned. Not something I’d brag about.
But you’re wrong. It is something to brag about whether you admit it or not. Well timed, organized, fast server wide attacks that took you unaware, dropped your morale, and led to your players bailing. It happens, it’s part of WvW, we faced it against TC…… but to act like it’s just luck or something and didn’t require organization, timing and skill is just silly.
I know some of you think WvW “skill” is measured in 1v1 or 5v5…. but that’s the type of mindset that leaves you behind on the score board.
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IoJ has a great and tight community and I highly doubt anyone from our core would join your server rofl. Look, the facts are you got an influx of transfers. You dont go from having even matches to suddenly being able to cover more ground without NUMBERS.
I suppose you want FA and IoJ to believe that in the past 24 hours you all became that much better at GW2? Its funny and cute but also a little sad.
It has nothing to do with “transfers” as far as I can tell. CD has always had a good sized WvW population, but we tend to have highs and lows in which either all of us are playing or just a few. This is why we were last place duting the holidays, but allmost always first place on friday resets.
It’s the same people we’ve had for weeks. We’re just all playing right now, lol.
If we could keep this many players in the map at all times during the week, we’d really have a top tier WvW server.
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CD’s idea of winning is getting more transfers. If you cant beat us with skill then beat us with numbers?
Too bad, things are more enjoyable when server numbers are even. I lol at you!!
Typical speeches like this being made by the losing teams on every WvW thread. Same with the guys pretending KH isn’t a good guild, while they take your entire border land.
It’s just sour grapes.
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I can vouch our melee builds (and wolf pets) do amazing against thieves. Even managed some 2v1s against them. They usually wind up running away when they get low and are nearly impossible to chase.
Sure, rangers are a great class. But the idea that this guy is solo roaming at level 20 is a bit hard to swallow.
I also take issue with the idea that you have to use a melee build to be good. It depends on what you’re doing, and what role you fill in a group.
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Hekatombaion makes a good point about CD’s defense. Even in EB, our defensive tactics are too reactionary, and so we’re never prepared. Maybe there isn’t as much percieved reward for defending, but I find XP / Badges come quick during a long defense.
I think if we defended more (something I love doing myself) our pug players would better understand how to do it.
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I like that IOH and FA are working together. Not only does it make the matchup more interesting, it keeps CD in a range where if we do take 1st we won’t be in a position to move up a tier, for which we’re clearly not ready. Being double teamed, will only make us stronger and prepare us for the chance we do move up a tier eventually.
It’s funny though since I was telling FA they should have worked with us for 2 weeks when this strategy could have helped both servers against the much larger TC. For whatever reason FA refused to work with us against TC. I wonder now if they’ve actually figured out that double teaming the 1st place server is a good strategy, or they’re just blindly attacking CD like they always do.
I also wonder what will happen if FA takes the lead. Will IOJ switch focus, and attack them?
Lastly CD, we really need to start realizeing when we’re wasting large amounts of man power in EB, that it might be a good idea to send some people back to help out our border land.
Can’t wait to see how the rest of this week plays out.
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Forgal was getting old and wanted to go out with a bang, Viking-style.
Tybalt felt useless after his accident, and wanted to do something that mattered at last.
Seiran felt… what exactly?
I think that’s what made Seiran’s sacrifice all the more dramatic. She wasn’t old or useless. She wasn’t looking for glory, or a dramatic way out, she actually really seemed to enjoy life.
In my opinion she was feeling the only thing that really mattered….
“If I can hold these undead here at the gate, even for a little while, the others can escape.”
She didn’t do it for selfish reasons, which is why I felt that her sacrifice, more so than the others was sincere.
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My issue is that we’re forced to group for this quest. MMOs and RPGs are supposed to be about player choice, allowing the player to complete content at their own leisure, providing a multitude of ways for somebody to experience the game. The problem is that Guild Wars 2 really doesn’t have enough to do for ArenaNet to get away with forcing somebody to do this quest in a way they don’t want to. For a game that has so little actual choice to it right now, making this important of a choice for the player is a colossal mistake.
There’s also the matter that it’s not consistent with the design values of the rest of the game. Up until this point, the player has been allowed to complete this story on their own, to experience it in a completely personal manner. Then right at the last mission, ArenaNet throws their entire design philosophy out the window and gets rid of the one reason why everybody thinks the GW2 is better than other MMO stories (generally speaking).
This ^
Well said.
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It’s funny because I feel the opposite. Likely because I played through with Sieran first, so later when I saw other characters try to make the same sacrifice, I felt like they couldn’t hold a candle to the original.
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Unintended game-play is unintended game-play and should be corrected.
The argument “This is the only thing we have to do in an assault/siege” is a non sequitor. Your conclusion that the broken mechanic should stay does not follow from your argument. The correct conclusion that should be drawn is that, hey, we have nothing legitimate to do in a siege, so we need to focus on getting something legit for us to do (assuming that’s true).
This is a no brainer.
I don’t think the mechanic is “broken”. I don’t see why an animal can’t climb a wall.
Whether or not it’s an intended feature is speculation at this point, but if it’s unintended, I’d like a Dev to come explain what the point of the guard ability really is, because I don’t see it.
Also, the balance issue is not a non sequitor regardless, since the OP’s complaint is based on the idea that this ability “Really messes things up in WvW”… which is why balance issues were brought up in the first place.
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Nade range is 1500, if you can stand near your siege and aoe the walls your catas are too close.
You don’t need to stand directly on top of a Cata to guard it. You can usually get close enough to hit the walls and still be within range to turn around and also hit anyone attacking a Catapult.
Unless you’re a ranger that is.
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And you quoted them talking about killing groups larger than themselves. I talked about killing groups larger than your own. You didn’t read my post or really pay any attention past that one line.
…sigh…. I did read / pay attention. I quoted them talking about not caring about their own server, and specifically asked about why THAT would be something to brag about. The problem is, you had something in your head that you think you said, but you’re not following your own words.
Either you appreciate the mindset you quoted me on, or you don’t. What you said originally was that you do appreciate it, especially if they’re “decent” at killing. That’s completely different from what you’re saying now. You can’t say one thing and then another, and expect people to just forget the original statement.
I’m not “angry” about anything. You simply didn’t say what you claim to have said. Thanks for clarifying your intended opinion, but again it’s not my fault you didn’t convey your opinion properly.
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Yes because if you can’t aoe walls during a siege you are worthless . . .
The cool down on that 1 aoe is very long and none of the other abilities are useful. Even firing down from the wall the ranger isn’t as good as most other classes.
Not like there is anything else you could do in a siege, you certainly couldn’t
~ build an ac to aoe the walls
~ man whatever siege your team is using to take the structure
~ keep watch for incoming enemy reinforcements
~ guard your catas/trebs if you aren’t ramming
~ run supply to build more siege.
Most of what you listed has nothing to do with the class you’re playing, but if just standing near a treb in case someone attacks is “useful” while other classes activly clear the walls while gaurding those same cata’s then you and I havea different opinion on what is and isn’t useful.
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Rangers are pretty much worthless during a siege otherwise.
The guard ability is basically worthless at any other point in the game.
The fact that you have to equip an otherwise worthless ability just to get your class to contribute more than a single AOE on a long cool down during a seige makes this ability perfectly balanced.
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The mindset “we’re going to kick the kitten of people on other servers, and when they outnumber us to boot” was what I was talking about. I can’t fathom any way for you to miss that except by not kittening reading my post.
Is there any further confusion you would like me to spell out answers for in the most direct of terms?
The “confusion” comes from the FACT that you QUOTED ME asking why someone would brag about not caring about their own server. You answered.“Actually I appreciate that mindset”…… That’s your words, exactly….. You said “THAT MINDSET”, as in the one you quoted.
If you didn’t appreciate the mindset I was talking about, why did you quote me? Now you come in here and talk down to me, but it’s not my fault you flip flopped.
In the future, if you don’t want to cause confusion with your comments, you might want to try to follow the context of the discussion going on.
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Bunzy, you keep saying you want to face the best, and that Maguuma has the best…. so I have a question for you. Why not switch servers? Try fighting against them for a change, see how it goes.
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Actually I appreciate that mindset, especially…..
beating 13ish with 7 and then another 12ish in the same combat is still decent.
Decent enough to come on here and brag about it? That’s funny.
What’s not funny is then admitting you don’t even care about the server you’re playing on. That’s just nonsense. It’s the same nonsense we had to hear back when we were up against these guys. Were you there at the time?
FYI stopping criticizing trolls on forums isn’t exactly “punishment” to them.
I coudn’t care less. My point was to get some clerification on why people are bragging about how little they care about their own server. Once I found out they’re just the same trolls who verbally attacked CD for two weeks when we were up against them, I expalined that I get it now, I know what he’s doing.
That was it. “Agument” over. For some reason I get a bunch of people whining at me for pointing out that the guy is trolling. Way to give the trolls the big fat “OK”. God forbid somone friendly from TC makes a post…. but if a troll from Magoooma comes in here to trash talk you all play duck and cover.
Kinda like we do in the game, when the going gets tough……
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Crystal Desert is a very active, and fun server to play on. We’re currently winning tier 3, but the matchup is very fun. I wouldn’t suggest going anywhere under tier 3 if you want active servers, and all the tier 3 opponents are great to fight against.
As the 1st place server in tier 3, more players will be needed if we happen to advance to the 2nd tier. Anyone coming to CD now could really make a difference.
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Anyway, I want to point out that both IOJ and FA have been great opponents, and even when they’re outnumbered they don’t give up, and always play to win.
That’s why I hope these server transfers and their “who cares about the score” attitude doesn’t rub off on them.
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If they’re server hopping, then how do we know they came from Maguuma to begin with? How do we know that they’re not those fools that just use a server to get what they want, and then jump again? Or as the Charr put it…honorless gladiums.
It doesn’t really matter what they’re “home server” is. It explains why they think it’s funny to brag about getting loot instead of trying to help the server they’re on win.
The “magooooma” link simply explains why this other guy is invading our thread and pretending it’s good strategy to just run around taking nothing and putting no points on the board. It’s typical Magoooma tactics, to do a lot of forum bragging (trolling) about flipping camps and loot farming, while their server fails in general. So it’s no surprise there’s a Magooooooooma player in a thread, that should have nothing to do with them, patting people on the back for pointless tactics.
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Because you apparently still can’t see anything past what you think it is.
I know exactly what it is.
So then why did you ask why a Maguuma player was defending them?
Because I didn’t realize these guys were just more Magooooooma playes server hopping until you explained. Now I get it. They’re from Magooooooooma. Nothing more to say.
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Their own server? You know that’s not their home server, right? So there’s no allegiance to it. I’ll give you three guesses to figure out where they previously were. Hint: it’s Maguuma.
I’m just here because as usual, I care sooooo much what you guys have to say.
Oh ok, so it’s just Magoooma players trolling. What else is new?
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HAHA! we farmed both CD and IoJ so hard… it was so fun, thanks for all the loot and fun. We enjoy making people grief, but please do have your facts straight.. there was 7 of us repeatedly wiping 25+ of you. We don’t care about CD, nor do we care about FA, nor do we care about IoJ. We just kill stuff.
I don’t understand why somone would come onto the forums and tell everyone they don’t care about their own server, they just want loot, as if it’s something to brag about.
And why is a Magoooma player in this thread defending what they did in the first place?
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Problem is, without the name plates certain races (asura) would be able to hide very easily, while playing other races would be a hinderance. It has to be balanced, and the name plates do that.
It’s too bad though, because hiding and scouting would be fun.
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Sorry, until something which discourages zerging is put into place, I will not be participating in the “objectives”. Zerging creates lazy players, and bad PvPers. I will, however, be dueling it up at every opportunity as I like some challenge to my fights.
I honestly don’t think many of you who complain so much about zergs even really play WvW at all. You obviously just run around solo, or in a very small group and look down on the large scale battles going on all around you, but the truth is those large scale battles are what matters, and are often very challenging and skill based affairs.
If large group combat isn’t your cup of tea, fine, but the idea that you’re so great and everyone who is actively taking part in huge battles to capture or defend difficult targets are “lazy” “bad” and as the other person said “cowards”…. is just ridiculous.
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I don’t think it has anything to do with commanders who don’t like their responsibilities. It’s about allowing commanders to designate smaller tasks so the important small jobs get done, while letting the commanders lead on to the bigger targets.
I like the OP’s idea alot.
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I never said anything about ANET trying to keep the players down. I also never said anything about it being bad business or practice. Once again what I’m saying is their loot system is a business plan, whether you like it or not.
I’m pretty sure everyone understands it’s a business plan. The topic is whether or not it’s a good one. You don’t have to personally say that ANET is trying to keep players down, but that’s the result of system you’re advocating, in which PvE players have plenty of cash to buy whatever they want and PvPers are kept out of the loop.
If there’s a set amount of gold ANET wants each player to make per hour in order to make sure they aren’t getting too rich, that’s great. The game should be designed to keep people within that limit…. But it should match accross the board. Not reward certain playstyles vastly over another.
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Your first reply saying my post was untrue was rather vague so yes it certainly did seem like that is what you were suggesting, maybe elaborate more next time.
When I do pve/dungeon runs it takes up my night, I don’t have time to do hours of W3 after already spending hours in dungeons, maybe you have a lot more time than I do but pve is a time sink to me. The part where which time sink makes you more money we are in agreement on.
This is the part that doesn’t make any sense to me. If you consider something a “time sink” you should simply skip it. Every player should be taking part in the content they enjoy. Rewarding people who do PvE over those who do PvP isn’t how you produce an enjoyable game for PvPers, it’s how you drive them away. I don’t do dungeons, period. I spend my time doing what I enjoy instead. Assuming we play the same amount of time, why should you make tons of gold, and not me? Because you spend most of your in a dungeon??
You also missed the most important part of my original post which was this “If you were a developer trying to make money on microtransactions you have to be sure people aren’t getting filthy rich in one of the most fun/popular parts of the game like W3.”.
I think that is the real reason there is not much gold to be made in W3, it is by far the most popular aspect of the game, in my opinion anyway.
I didn’t miss it. It’s just not good logic.
Of course no one should get so rich that they never need to bother with the gem store at all, but the idea that the game rewards certain activities over another is not good game design. Why take something you consider to be the most fun / popular part of the game, and attempt to get players to do something else? That’s a broken game.
Enjoyment should be the thing most encouraged in the game, because If people aren’t enjoying the game, they aren’t here to buy things in the first place.
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