Guild Wars 2

Pboogie.7418:

Learn your CC, and stop crying about thief.

You missed the point completely.

I know my CC, lol. The fact remains that pretty much any class in the game can be beaten, but thief is by far the most difficult.

They also kill other classes much faster than most, and without as much risk. If you play an Ele you should know that.

I wonder why they don’t have henchmen in GW2 like they did in GW1? That was a great feature for people like me who dislike grouping.

Pboogie.7418:

It easy to kill a thief…….just gather

Sorry to cut your post up… but I just want to make a point here.

Any class in which “just gather” (meaning you need more than one person) is the 1st step in killing them… is broken.

TheFug.5278:

Maguuma really stepping up their game in our borderlands today

Both Maguma and Ebay are stepping up a combined offensive against CD! This week is getting very exciting!

Are you on Crystal Desert? Because the same thing just happened to us.

It’s nonsense.

hoschi.8693:

You play a MMO – a massive multiplayer online game, yet complain when you should group up with others.

The name of the genre has no impact on the way some people might enjoy playing the game.

I ENJOY playing MMOs solo. What’s so hard to understand?

Sunspots.9861:

if you are in a group, the entire groups dmg is added to your tally just by tagging a mob and you will instantly see a larger amount of loot both in pve and pvp.

Ugh… can’t these MMOs just let people group if they want to, and stop trying to make us do it?

I don’t mind the badge drop rate, but I am disapointed in it being pretty much a wash gold wise.

I can go into WvW for 5 hours a night and come out a few silvers up or down. If you spent that much time doing the level 80 event zerg you’d be rich.

So what’s the point of it? To make sure the enemy doesn’t get a badge?

Well in my opinion the “outmanned buff” is a bad idea.

Whether you’re outmanned or not, you should win or lose based on your own characters abilities / personal skill…. and not a stat boost. Stat boosts simply make the game unbalanced. Outmanned buff’s, if anything, could buff the NPC’s on your team, or let you carry more supplies… but please no stat boosts.

I think the problem really is that WvW is not rewarding enough. Many of these “low pop” servers actually have a normal sized population, it’s just that certain servers have more people running fractals / dungeons and those are the servers who end up outmanned in WvW.

Make WvW less of a gold sink, and more rewarding, and more people will enter and take part… which will even out the servers alot more.

mystaquetz.1746:

Raincrow, these types of players who think it’s “no big deal” to the casuals will get rude awakenings when they are in WvW and get the hammer dropped on them by enemies that DID get all that “no big deal” grind armors.

Exactly right. They can fix the situation by adding in further ways to get this gear, through WvW and Crafting…. but the longer they take the further they’re digging the hole.

Ryth.6518:

I understand the complaints just fine.

I’m not sure you do…..

Ryth.6518:

Why are you worrying about what other players who want to play this game like a job are doing?

Because the game used to made in a such a way that I could reach the top tiers playing the way I enjoy. Now I can’t. As far as I’m concerend everyone should play the game how ever they like playing…. the problem comes when one certain play style gets preferential treatment while the others are stuck hitting a wall they can never break through.

You don’t seem to understand this because you’re only level 50, but the fact is, you will eventually reach the end of what you can do in the game, and then what? How can you really pretend it’s good for the game to have some types of players (PvPers,WvWers,Soloer,Casuals, Crafters) hit a wall with no further advancment, while others get stronger and stronger and stronger?

Ryth.6518:

If you want to do it, put a group of 4 others together and complete the FotM and get the gear.

Ahhhh see. You don’t understand the complaints at all. Obviously if I WANTED to do fractals, I would just do them. End of story.

The FACT is, I hate them. I DON’T WANT to do them. I want to continue playing the game in the ways I enjoy, and not get left behind.

Ryth.6518:

My point is that many of you just need to take a break. Come back when the new content comes out. That is how this game was designed.

They DID just release new content. If the answer to new content release is to go play something else, they’ve messed something up in a major way.

Ryth.6518:

WTF do you expect when you play this game like a job?

I don’t play the game like it’s a job. I’m a solo player, somewhat casual. I don’t think you understand the complaints at all. The new fractals REWARD those players who make the game a job, and screws over the rest of us who don’t. Just becuase you don’t realize the impact upper tier gear has on you, the casual player, doesn’t mean it’s not there.

Ryth.6518:

The same complaints being voiced here are being voiced on the WoW forums in their own iterations.

So, WoW is a broken game using 10 year old game mechanics, and that makes it ok for GW2 to do it also?

I don’t get your point.

This really is one of the most broken parts of the game in my opinion.

I have no desire to group up to do my chraracter’s “personal story”.

Snype Cyclos.7391:

Getting angry on the forums about a completely optional part of the game that you’re paying nothing for is a little silly.

To me it’s not silly at all. In fact, adding what is bascailly another level to the game, and then expecting people who dislike it to ignore it is silly to me.

What if, instead of another tier of gear they added a couple of new levels? So instead of stopping at level 80 you could advance to level 82…. but the only way to get to level 82 was some special fractal only XP… would that be ok with people? Would we be expected to ignore that? Because to me it feels like the exact same thing when they add another tier of gear.

Honestly it defeats the entire point of an RPG to simply ignore the top tiers. Why bother advancing from level 1 to 80, or improving gear at all if you don’t care about progressing to the top?

Ualtar.5047:

whaaaat?

My highest is only level 39. I barely have any maps completed, yet I have more basic stones then I need.

I am not sure where you are going with the part about the store, the stones are very easy to get. Everything that happens in the game is not a reason to complain. If simple things make you want to rage it might be time for a break, might help you gain perspective again.

He’s not talking about the low level stones. He’s talking about the high level ones, and the items he’s using the stones on.

I play video games to get away from the real world. Not to socialize.
I hate playing in a group and always have. I like to play at my pace, and win or lose on my own ability.

I don’t mind working with somone occasionally, and I love the world events… but grouping? No thanks.

I very much dislike being chained to other people while I play.

AsheRayne.9726:

p.s. – when the devs say “but we feel it’s important to strive to satisfy the basic needs of our players sooner rather than later”, I think they need to realize that post-legendary gear is not a basic need. It’s not OUR fault these players rushed the content. Let us enjoy our kitten game, and give us OUR basic needs.

This ^

They’re falling into the trap of trying to please the type of player who will never be pleased. People who rush to the level cap, then burn through to get the upper tier gear and then demand more… so you keep giving them more, and more, and more as they burn through content as fast as they can, just to get it over with….. and in the meantime all the other gaming mechanics (PvP,WvW, Personal Story, Crafting, etc.) gets left further and further behind.

Now you’ve gone from a game that used to please many different types of players to one that kind of satisfies that one type of hard core group player, but only for a little while, as loing you always have a new tier for them to play. That’s assuming those hard core guys don’t just all go back to WoW, and then your entire game goes out of business, because you built the game around that WoW raiding type of player and ignored everyone else.

Every failed MMO has faced a turning point when many of their players stopped rooting for them to succeed, and started rooting for them to fail.

I’ve seen it happen with SWG, Warhammer Online, TOR, the list goes on.

What causes this is a failure to listen to the people who are currently playing the game, in an attempt to bring in players who are currently playing something else. It’s doomed to failure, and has happened so many times I’m at a loss for how MMO developers don’t realize the problem.

I don’t think GW2 is at that point YET… but recent changes / additions and events in the game reek of an attempt to bring in the WoW style raiders who have been complaing about there being “no end game”. This is a huge step backwards in GW2’s development, and it’s hurting the game more than helping it.

I just hope they can figure out what’s turning some of their current player base off in time, because chasing that hard core raider demographic has doomed so many MMO’s in the past it’s crazy.

It’s the fault of the players really. PvE players have always been the squeky wheel, while PvPers have always been the “just play for fun” crowd.

In the world of MMOs, you get what you settle for.

I don’t know that 100g is the BEST way to give commander status, but I like that better than giving commander status to guildies.

Commanders are meant to rally the troops on the map so that people looking for action know where to go, not help guilds stay together.

People saying… “There were lots of chances to kill him” are soooo missing the point.

If I take ANY other class in the game and try to cap a point alone vs 20 people I will be dead in 3 seconds. Why should a large group need perfect timing and technique to beat thieves when no other class in the game is anywhere near that difficult to kill?

arKRazor.8654:

It’s been mentioned that there will be ways to attain ascended gear through WvW as well eventually.

I think that’s the best solution anyway.

I’d rather they make the WvW maps more interesting / rewarding so that more people want to do them and each server would have a better chance at filling up their WvW army.

Keiel.7489:

Real PvP players are in spvp

I LoLed at that….

It’s interesting.

Having a way to switch utilities during a fight would improve combat in some ways . Needing to know when to switch, and having more complex rotations, etc.

But not being able to switch is interesting in that you need to think ahead, and sometimes run into situations that you weren’t ready for.

Both systems can be good, just depends on personal taste.

I love the idea of giving each BL it’s own mechanic. Right now I feel like EB and specifically Stone Mist is such a focus over the week that the border lands just feel like the minor leagues. I’d like it to be more balanced so that all 4 maps are of equal importance.

As for colors. I kinda wish each server had it’s own color, that never changed. I really don’t enjoy being green one week and blue the next. There’s enough variation in the spectrum to give each server it’s own special color.

Xandax.1753:

If maps were smaller, they’d be sPvP maps.

Holy over exaggeration batman!!

The maps – if anything – needs to be made larger to support better tactical approach to the WvW.

I don’t agree at all. Giant maps aren’t needed for a tactical battle…. they just = lots of running. Smaller maps could offer the same tactical strategies, it would simply be at a faster pace.

Shajin.5492:

I would argue you can find that on Eternal Battlegrounds Raincrow.

That’s true. Good post.

I love WvW but I would like to see smaller maps with less points to encourage more fighting. I’d like see to more objectives in the middle of the field as well, so two armies can meet in the open and do battle.

More like a king of the hill type game would be great.

Maybe they’ll add new maps in the future.

I basically only leave WvW to do the personl story. You can level very well there.

Ignore elitists who assume a low level isn’t helping. They’re wrong. In WvW every man can help, regardless of level.

It’s far more important that you understand what’s going on in WvW and do things that actually help the team than it is to be a high level and run around solo dueling people. The more time you spend in WvW the better you’ll be.

Mikitten058:

Hmm, guess I am spoiled by SoR’s inability to “give up”

Has nothing to do with “giving up”…. it’s about interst. When your server is far in the lead it’s no where near as interesting to go in and take points easily from outmanned servers.

When your server is far out numbered it’s not as fun or interesting to go in and get zerged for a few points that wont make a difference in the over all score.

It’s not as simple as you’re pretending it is. Each week starts off with some servers simply way outnumberd. Sure anyone can go into Lion’s Arch and try to “raise moral” but the fact is, the players who are interested in WvW are already there.

An outnumbered server doesn’t have much hope of adding a large number of players to their side within a week.

Mikitten058:

Guesting isn’t for WvW as far as I know.

As for a server or 2 losing interest in fighting once they are behind, then it’s up to the members of that server to raise moral.

Well, that would be nice if it worked, but it doesn’t.

Zaemon.2640:

Allowing us to buy equivalent gear with badges or karma would alleviate the anger wvw players are currently building up. Ima blow i tell ya!! :O

That’s what I’d like to see.

I don’t mind if people who spend a lot of time doing PvE come into WvW with their best gear….. as long as I have a way to earn equivalent gear doing WvW.

Same.4687:

“Guesting” as ANet calls it is already coming. It is, as far as I can tell, their way to negate the cries over night/morning capping.

I don’t know exactly how this guesting thing will work but it would mean you could play WvWvW on a different server outside of your matchup. Whether or not that is limited to tiers below your own tier or you could visit higher tiers, I don’t know. But something like what you are saying is in the making.

Ohh cool.
I hadn’t heard about that. Thanks!

Fiction.6418:

The reason this will not work is, maguuma was up by 7k over darkhaven as of 2 hours ago when I logged… and down by 10 in potential to them. Let’s say a new server comes in and allies themselves with darkhaven, do you think it would be hard to push them over the 7k point difference with 2 servers?

Hmmmm thanks for the input, but I’m not really sure what you mean. I don’t really think the allied server will make a huge difference as far as points go, the most they could do would be to help the 3rd place team make 2nd, then they would switch and need to help the new 3rd place regain their spot.

1st place would also have to make sure they kept enough people in their own maps to hold onto the 1st place spot.

The idea wasn’t meant to make 2 servers into a super team. Just to even things out a bit so that the lower scoring servers would have a way to keep their numbers up a little.

This might be a bit complicated or hard to add to the game, but I wanted to run it by the players and see what you guys think of an idea I had to improve WvW….

First, I believe a major flaw with the current WvW game is that once a server establishes a large enough lead, the other two servers start to lose interest. This makes it very difficult for a server to make a comeback after the first couple of days, and leads to another problem with unbalanced sides…. many times one server greatly outnumbers the others. This can make WvW boring for both the outnumbred side and the server with a large advantage. Not fun being rolled 3 to 1… but not fun rolling over people easily either.

My idea then is to link each tier with the tiers around them.

For example….
My server, Crystal Desert is currently winning it’s tier 4 matchup, with Maguuma in 2nd and Darkhaven in 3rd.

In this situation Darkhaven would become alied with the server currently winning the tier 5 matchup. Those players from tier 5 are givin a choice to enter tier 4 as Darkhaven’s allies, and help there instead of remaining in the tier 5 match where they’re already winning.

Crystal Desert players would have the choice to enter the tier 3 battle and help the last place server there. Helping other servers would earn bonus points for your server back in your own tier.

This could help to keep last place servers in the game, while balancing out the maps a bit.

What do you all think?

Wildman.9641:

WvW is all about who has the best PvDoor numbers. Why does anyone even care who is “winning”?

I don’t know. I find getting to the doors to be the most important part.

In my opinion stealth is fine. I tried a Thief and didn’t like it, because I prefer the way other MMO’s handle Stealth… but that’s just my playstyle.

It’s actually very difficult to stay in stealth, more so than in other MMOs…. so I don’t really see why people are against how stealth works in this game.

In my opinion the burst is too strong.
Trying to find the thief while in stealth is much more fun than “boom your dead”

Jeremy Winston.2165:

They cannot simply come on here and say, “Oops… OK. Maybe that wasn’t so smart. Let us talk about it and we’ll get back to you.”

Sure they can. In fact a message like that would go a long way.

phantomdust.4729:

I want to know what ANet learned from their failings and I want to know how they plan to adjust to customer feedback.

And I want to know now.

Me too. I think most of us can agree that the event was a failure. I’m personally fine with that. Everyonce in a while the Devs are going to get things wrong, but my concern is what they plan to change next time.

Will they continue to make bugged / confusing events with very short windows of time for the players to figure out what’s going on and get bugs fixed?

Will they still be giving out major rewards to only a selcet few players who happen to make it online at a certain time and survive the glitches?

Will they still be doing “one time events” in the future?

Will the continue to cater to hard core group PvE players, while ignoring the casual, solo and WvWers in the game?

The event itself was terrible, but the answers to questions like these are what will decide my future playing this game.

TheFreshBrew.1958:

Come on CD, even with numbers you set a ballista in front of the spawn? I’m kinda hoping Anet puts us up against a server with some class this Friday evening.

CD player here… and I agree. It’s not classy at all. Come on home server, there’s no call for that.

Calmwinds.4753:

these one time events have to STOP!

This ^

Events are supposed to be fun, not give players a negative feeling about the game.

I realize there are a handful of people who think “one time events are great, they make me feel so special”…. but lets be honest, if this had been repeatable over the course of the day, or even week, no one would have thought any less of it…. and a LOT of people would have enjoyed it more.

This is what happens when they listen to hard core playes….

Sir Morgan Malory.2069:

If you leave the large 50 player zerg you start get xp and drops as normal.

That’s nice, but then you’re not really doing the event, not protecting the NPC, or seeing the story. All you’re doing is solo farming meaningless mobs at that point. You can do that anywhere.

Whatever the reason is, it’s boring and frustrating runing around that island and getting nothing for it.

Minos.5168:

Didn’t you hear? They’re trying to make GW2 the new WoW.

Certainly feels that way.

Too much whining from disgruntled raiders about “no end game”… and sadly, they’re listening to them.

Crystal Desert is comming from a pretty awesome battle against Tarnished Coast and Yak’s Bend ourselves!

Looking forward to this week! Good luck everyone!

Stiv.1820:

Sedriel.7321:

I dont see how any of that matters.

Well then no wonder…

Traits and Armor alone at low level puts you as at severe disadvantage. Any bunker build can take on hordes of green up arrows.

Doens’t really matter though, since most other classes can be killed pretty easily, especially 2 to 1.

I just hope that over time they will add more ways to gain equal level gear (WvW, Crafting, PvP, solo options, etc.) so the people who asked for dungeon based end game can do them, and the rest of us can do something else.

Otherwise ANet is failing a good number of players by catering to the specific set of hardcore raiders, like every other MMO on the market.

Genev.2450:

Daily kill variety for people who are Only into WvW and to give teh sense the world is alive, is my guess.

This ^