Guild Wars 2

Wow… I’m unable to play for a week and when I come back to check in CD is losing tier 4, guilds are transfering servers, and even recruiting for players to jump ship as well?? How sad can you people be? With the free transfers coming to an end you guys left our server in a really bad place.

CD was a great place to WvW, it still can be…. why leave?

Wow. A lot of people I played with over the last few weeks / months have lost a ton of respect for this.

I actually might not be able to play / post for the next couple of weeks. Sorry I’ll miss the Magoooooooooooooooma brag fest.

Vilaptca.6037:

All the tools are account bound now, so when you out level an area and don’t need the tools, you throw them in the bank for your alts.

Yeah I do that, but I have 5 level 80’s and none of them actually used all their gathering tools while leveling, so I pretty much have 10-12 tools on every character.

Oscar.4628:

I just use 3-5 tools and it works nice for me.
So I don’t understand your problem :/

I think you do. You’re another person willing to pay extra silver to avoid dealing with the system as it is. If no one in the game is actually looking at the tools to use the correct ones for the nodes they need, what’s the point of this convoluted system in the first place?

Dragin.4520:

yes we Dragonbrand don’t run from a fight if wer are outnumbered. we learned that long ago we can take some of you with us. before we go down or stop you.

I’ve got a lot of respect for the players on Dragonbrand so far. You guys really know your way around a seige war!

I’ve always had respect for FA, so I don’t know where the idea that there was bad blood between FA and CD came from. All we wanted to do was have a parade, and when FA didn’t play nice TC went on a rampage and took both FA and CD’s entire maps. Why would FA players be mad at CD for that?

I am not impressed by IOJ members who server hopped. Not just because they abandoned ship, or that they are such sore losers…. but I’ve seriously never seen so many DD eles who do nothing but suicide into a group and then mist form away on one server.

Overkillengine.6084:

The time some people spent agonizing over trying to get every single use out of a tool would often have been better spent just buying the max possible tool they can equip and getting jiggy with it. Time = money.

And I say that as the kind of skinflint that will pay attention to material costs and calculate out if it is cheaper to buy gear from the AH to salvage for mats instead.

So doesn’t this sort of show how annoying the system really is?

I mean if you’re willing to pay six times the price for a tool, whether you need that level or not, because you don’t want to bother with the system in place, what does that tell you about the system itself?

RapidSausage.4620:

a nice way to go about this is remove the different tiered gathering tools, and just replace them by normal tools that have charges, and instead of depending on the quality of the gathering tool to decide whether or not you will get materials from the node, make it depend on your crafting level that requires/uses this type of raw material.

I like this idea alot.

Iures.2894:

For your second point, though, I kinda have to disagree. Unless you’re leveling up a craft, I don’t see the point in stopping to get nodes in lower-level zones—at least, not on higher-level characters. I guess you could do it for the gathering xp, or for the chance at gems, but otherwise I don’t see the point. Yes, you can sell the mats you don’t need, but it seems it would be more cost-effective to finish the zone/event faster and get back to a higher-level area.

Lots of reasons to gather in the lower level areas. For one, as I’ve said I’ve already got the tools cluttering my bags, so rather than throw them away, I keep them and use them. Also, I am leveling all of the crafting skills in the game on different alts so some of the mats I need. Plus whatever I don’t use crafting, I can sell, and as I said I spend a lot of time in WvW so money isn’t as easy to come by.

Lastly, I’m not in rush to get the zone over with. I like gathering as part of the normal gameplay. I just don’t enjoy farming for the sake of farming or the convoluted tool system in the game.

Things like passing up free gold on the ground (nodes) throwing away tools I haven’t used, and buying high level tools I don’t need is just really annoying. More annoying than gathering in any other game I’ve played.

Iures.2894:

I think we’re actually in agreement here. (For the record, I didn’t say you were recommending anything WoW-style.) Linking what you can gather to your character level makes the most sense to me. This game has that, but adds a second step that the tool you’re using must meet or exceed what you’re gathering. This makes logical sense to me, though I kinda agree that the implementation could be better. As I said, the sickles are particularly egregious, just due to how many different herbs there are. This is true to a lesser degree with axes, due to most types of wood having three separate trees to remember; and is least noticeable with picks, where each tier adds at most two new nodes.

Thanks. And I agree with you. It’s not like I can’t deal with the system as it it, I just find it tedious and annoying.

Death Reincarnated.3570:

I don’t understand

I can tell.

Death Reincarnated.3570:

Plus, how are you getting low level carrots with high level tools ON high level nodes?

Carrots drop from low level Iron Sickle Taproots, but they also drop from Variegated Taproots which requires a Darksteel Sickle.

So basically I’m using a more expensive level 30 sickle to get Iron quality carrots.

kylia.4813:

Of course you would have to be someone that doesn’t only think about winning to understand that our goal was to be with people we thought would be fun, instead of worrying about being in a server that will always win.

Is anyone buying this? Because I’m certainly not. If you didn’t care about winning and just wanted to have fun you would have stayed with the server you were on in the first place.

Or you could have gone down a few tiers and found a server that needed help against up and coming super servers like Mag and Kaining.

There are only two believable reasons why you would, as a community, merge with FA.

#1. To create a super server more capable of winning.
or
#2. To punish CD for beating you, and the perceived trash talk that followed.

Regardless, your line about just playing for fun sounds like just another disingenuous knock at CD.

Anyway, I was hoping you and FA would have double teamed us last week. The harder the fights the better we get. Now that you’ve merged and we’re being triple teamed we’re getting the challenge we were looking for. Don’t know why CD would fall apart now, we don’t need to win every week, but we play to win and that’s what matters.

Death Reincarnated.3570:

Seriously, is it so hard to have 2 of each Orichalcum-based gathering tools?

It has nothing to do with being “hard”… none of the game is hard. If it was just hard I might enjoy it. I’m talking about a system that is convoluted and annoying, not hard.

Death Reincarnated.3570:

You are level 80 and things like gathering tools and travel cost trivial ammount of money.

Not when you spend most of your time in WvW. I have enough gold sinks to worry about.

This is such a simple resolve lol.

Wasting gold to reduce wasted bag space from 12 to 5 isn’t a “resolve” at all.

NoodllZ.8376:

You’ve gone from using 12 slots to only using 5. Swapping for Orian nodes is acceptable because there are at most 5 orian ores and 2 or 3 sapplings on high level maps. Personally this works for me you can try it if you want.

Well thanks for advice, but I still find the system to be very bad. I’m sure what you’re talking about works fine when farming high level areas, but I don’t really do that much anyway.

NoodllZ.8376:

Raincrow.1840:

NoodllZ.8376:

Is this honestly an issue? Here is your solution 2 Orichalcum sickles, 1 Orichalcum Pick and Axe and 2 mithril picks and axes. Equip 1 sickle and the mithril axe n pick then you only need 5 spaces in your bag. Problem solved? Lets make it 8 spaces add 1 master salvage kit and 2 crude ones and you are set. Mithril will gather everything you need except Ori nodes and ancient/orrian sapplings but you’re prepared for that now aren’t you! The only way you’ll get ruined mats now is if you’re in combat .

Convoluted mess = convoluted mess.

Buy : 2 Orichalcum Sickles
1 Orichalcum Mining pick
1 Orichalcum Logging axe
2 Mithril Mining picks
2 Mithril Logging axes
Total bag space used= 8 slots

Equip: 1 Orichalcum Sickle
1 Mithril Mining pick
1 Mithril Logging axe
Total bag space used = 5 slots

Better?

Not really.

5 slots of bag space for tools you’re not using, plus any left over tools you have from lower level zones, plus you’ve spent extra cash on tools you may not need if you’re not in the higher level areas, and you’re still swapping tools whenever you run into Orian nodes, and basically you havn’t solved anything at all.

Rskippy.3620:

I can assure you this is not the reason we chose to move to FA

You chose to move to FA because you wanted to create one super server out of 2 good servers, I get that, and it’s fine (though I would guess most people have far more respect for the original FA and IOJ players who stayed, than for the group of people who jumped ship to create a super server).

The bitterness is in regards to the forum posts that act like CD deserves to be punished for, well basically nothing. I just can’t wait to see you guys go against Magooooma. If you think CD talks trash some of you are in for a real wake up call.

NoodllZ.8376:

Is this honestly an issue? Here is your solution 2 Orichalcum sickles, 1 Orichalcum Pick and Axe and 2 mithril picks and axes. Equip 1 sickle and the mithril axe n pick then you only need 5 spaces in your bag. Problem solved? Lets make it 8 spaces add 1 master salvage kit and 2 crude ones and you are set. Mithril will gather everything you need except Ori nodes and ancient/orrian sapplings but you’re prepared for that now aren’t you! The only way you’ll get ruined mats now is if you’re in combat .

Convoluted mess = convoluted mess.

Iures.2894:

You say you’re carrying around 12 tools at any given time. I’m guessing that’s one of each tool at the Steel, Darksteel, Mithril and Orichalcum tiers, right? Why are you still carrying around Steel and Darksteel? Unless you’re specifically hunting for Gold or Platinum ores or the same-tier logs, there’s no real reason to keep carrying those tools. .

Well, a couple of reasons,

1. I already have them and don’t like throwing money away. Since you can’t sell them I tend to hold onto them until I use them up.
2. Depending on the character I’m using I have a lot of low level areas to enter for world completion, events, WvW etc. While I’m there I harvest, and since again I don’t like wasting money I tend to use the tool for that area rather than blow silver on high level tools I don’t need.

Iures.2894:

There’s also no real reason to farm for lower-tier ores at the moment, since Mithril is worth nearly 4 of the other ores (only exceptions are Gold and Orichalcum).

Sure, but I’m not talking about “farming”…. I’m talking about gathering as I play the game. If I’m specifically gathering Mithril, I just buy a Mithril pick and run around farming that specific ore. But while playing the game, you come across nodes the entire time, so I constantly find myself going into my bags and swapping tools, which I find annoying.

Iures.2894:

That being said, it’s also the tool where more people just give in and use only Orichalcum sickles.

My point is about all the gathering tools, sickle, axe and pick, because they all bother me… But I think you’re getting my point here, because if people are just giving in and using the highest price tool it kinda proves the system itself is convoluted and silly.

I find it funny people will complain about a time sink and then not realize wasting silver on tools they don’t need is a time sink as well. A few silver here and there may not seem like much, but over the life of a character it’s going to add up to far more time wasted than if you needed to gather some extra copper at the low levels to “grind” a gathering skill.

Iures.2894:

You also say that instead of a WoW-style skill leveling, you’d be happy with its being linked to something else like your crafting level# It already is, though—it’s linked to your character level.

Sure, but that’s a different system than what I’m talking about. Linking specific nodes to your level, regardless of what type of level it is (crafting, gathering, character) is far less convoluted than linking your level to a bunch of different tools and price ranges.

Further, WoW is one of the only MMOs I didn’t play past level 20. So I’m not asking for a WoW style anything. GW2 improves a great many things in the genre, including that we no longer fight over nodes….. but gathering systems have been done better in many, many other MMOs.

Regarding the junk items, I kinda agree. On the other hand, I don’t see it as more than a minor nuisance, because I only ever have it happen when running up to Orichalcum/Ancient nodes, which usually causes me to confirm that I have the right tool equipped.

To me it’s one minor nuisance among many that add up to a really bad system.

Anyway thanks for the rational reply. Nice to just discuss the issue without being trolled. Hard to come by around here.

Desterion.6407:

Much of the FA wvw pop now is from IoJ like myself. We moved to FA in order to kill CD.

Talk about bitter ^

Revive would be fine, except that elementalists have too easy a time getting back to a place where they can be rezed. This gives them easy mode tactics in group fights, where they just rush into the enemy with their AOE combo, suicide, get away, get revived in seconds… repeat.

Easy mode like this shouldn’t be in WvW.

Does no one post scores in this tier?

goldi.3129:

Whenever you switch to a new zone hit the first vendor and buy the appropriate tools for your level? Buy two packs of each and check every login if you have a reserve pack.

Not really hard to do. Gathering in GW2 is the most enjoyable I have encountered in many MMOs so far.
Not forcing you to gather everything to level your skill and no race/camping of ressource nodes so noone else can have them.

I already buy new tools for each zone I’m in, which is why I end up with 12 or so tools cluttering my bag. Obviously I could just throw old tools away, and waste money on higher level tools than I need, but that’s just replacing a leving time sink with a never ending gold sink. And I don’t know about you, but I don’t really find wasting gold to be very fun.

It’s nice some of you enjoy it, but that doesn’t mean the gathering system can’t be improved. I also find it odd that none of you can conceive of a gathering skill system that doesn’t force you to gather everything you see to level, works EXACTLY like WoW, or even why such a leveling a skill is so bad in the first place. Better to waste time making gold you’ll waste on gathering tools you don’t need, than to just level a skill as you gather? Really?

I’ve never played an MMO where I felt “forced” to stop and pick up free stuff, which is all gathering is anyway.

I mean come on, I’m being bashed for not understanding the current tools and wanting easy mode (which is nonsense)…. but you guys can’t be bothered to level a skill in an MMO? I love the fact that they’ve eliminated resource camping in this game, but that doesn’t mean gathering in this game isn’t a convoluted mess, because it is.

Wolfheart.1938:

P.s. Rude threads ask for rude answers.

Explaining what I hate about the current system and asking who agrees is rude? That’s ridiculous.

God forbid someone doesn’t think every aspect of the game is perfect, I guess that’s just too much for some of you to take. Wow…. just wow.

xCrusadentx.2784:

It takes a bigshot to know that you can only gather certain materials with a certain type of gathering tool?

No it takes a person who pretends he’s a bigshot to assume anyone who doesn’t enjoy a certain aspect of the game only feels that way because they don’t know how. It’s the height of internet arrogance at it’s finest.

Erasculio.2914:

Raincrow.1840:

Well I’d much rather see a gathering skill in the game, like most other MMO’s use.

LOOOOOOOOOL!

Gathering skills in classic MMOs are not a feature, they are just a time sink badly disguised.

If you want to make the gathering system in GW2 an annoyance because you can’t deal with the few copper lost when you use a high level tool on a lower level node… Well, it’s more your own issue than anything else. The current system is definitely better than the grindy, RNG based based system from other MMOs.

First, the idea that harvesting in this game is NOT a grindy timesink is silly. Gathering in this game is a HUGE timesink already.

Second, if they don’t want to make the gathering sytem “grindy” or annoying, they don’t have too. It could easily be tied to your crafting level, or something that levels fairly quickly so it’s not an annoyance, but rather something your character imporves on with use in a reasonable manner. None of this would change that grinding the mats you need for crafting is a grindy time sink already.

And third, I find it odd no one can disagree without being rude. Funny you would think this is a place to discuss game mechanics, but for many of you, it’s just a place to brag and act like a bigshot. Sad but true.

Sithaco.4673:

Have any other alternative solutions?

Well I’d much rather see a gathering skill in the game, like most other MMO’s use. So for example there is only one type of logging axe in the game, but I can’t harvest from higher level nodes unless I’ve raised my gathering skill.

Some easier fixes would also help…. for example instead of listing every type of node you can harvest on every tool, you just give each node a level. So when you check a node on the map you not only see the name but the level, which you can easily compare to your tool. Master tools can say “Master Mining Pick level 50” etc.

Also, they don’t need the garbage loot like ruined wood if you accidentally use the wrong tool. Just a message that says “You need a level 50 tool or higher for this” so if you happen to use the wrong item you don’t waste the node on more junk.

Am I the only one who hates the way gathering works in this game?

I hate filling my pack with 12 different tools so I have the right ones for each zone

I hate checking to make sure the node I want to harvest is listed on the tool so I don’t end up with garbage.

I hate the “master” tools that don’t even list what they can harvest so I have no idea what level they’re good for.

I hate using more expensive tools on higher level nodes only to get low level carrots.

The whole gathering system is just overly complicated and bad.

TC is my second favorite server.

Aodh.6418:

-1 server that doesn’t check a keep. There is no such thing as perma stealth. Every time a thief re-stealths there is a nice swirly black animation.

I have to say, though the above quote is true….

Checking your keep is pretty much the MOST boring part of WvW, while the only benifit being that it can make taking a keep way too easy. Boring game play is boring.

I’d really rather it not be a part of the game.

kylia.4813:

CD, how you respect the other players you get to play with (remember, without all the other players and servers out there, you would not have any WvW) is how you will be viewed.

CD is the viking server! View us however you like.

Hekatombaion.4320:

The smaller groups need to be aware that there’s a steamroller potentially coming their way, but map chat just isn’t very good for that kind of intel alert.

And this is the problem with small groups. A large group moves at almost the same speed a smaller group does, but they also take camps faster, carry more supplies, put down more seige, respond to calls for help with more impact, and roll over the enemy again and again.

Smaller groups can hit multiple points at once, but it’s not such a great plan if you get rolled over. Also, smaller groups can’t really take the big defended keeps and garrisons. A well defended tower can stall a large group, but it can halt small group completely, with no way to take that tower at all.

Small groups are good for ninja attempts on undefended points, drawing some of the enemy away from the real targets, or taking multiple camps at once, but they aren’t good as an over all server strategy. Small groups can only defend with plenty of well placed seige, and even then they’re just a stalling tactic against a larger force.

For the most part small groups are only successful against little to no opposition, and need to make moves based on what the enemy is doing. In the meantime, the big zerg can go where it wants, when it wants, respond to calls for help, sweep through camps and other objectives (Hylek,Quaggans,etc) lightning fast, and has much more control over what’s going on in the map.

Small groups are helpful, but only as support to a larger force. Without the zerg, small groups can’t really do that much to impact the score.

Celeras.4980:

I hope people see this with the humorous eyes I intend, and don’t jump into arguments

I don’t see what’s funny about broken game balance.

Xirin.8593:

Rinzler.8072:

And thieves who macro their cnd (cnd+steal+bs)

Both situations i was playing one of my glass cannon characters. Not a problem, minus thieves macroing their backstab combo which is kinda cheap.

I hope you’re not insinuating all Thieves macro their combo. My brother plays a Thief with Backstab combo build. He executes the combo perfectly every time and I know for a fact he doesn’t use a keyboard macro (I don’t think he’d even know how to set one up.)

Mashing 3 buttons in a row without a macro isn’t really something to brag about.

Turkey.3605:

Niim.9260:

Looking for those small scale fights precludes the ability to participate in WvW? Do big zergs not fight other big zergs? Just because I am out helping the war effort in my way, does not mean I do not appreciate some good fights.

I’m not seeing what was so controversial in the points I made, but I’ll bite anyway.

If he pursued objectives he’d find plenty of fights against like-minded people. It sounds to me like he should hang out with the guys camping the jp. And I’m glad he’s on someone else’s server, although I’m sure we have our fair share of this type, as well.

But keep preaching, Niim. The more players you field that don’t chase objectives, the more lopsided the score will get. All this is really just clarifying the conversation about how realm population does not necessarily equal WvW population/success.

It’s funny because as CD bounced around tiers we’ve come across quite a few different servers, and many of them have had this same attitude in which they’ve argued about how important small groups / roaming / solo fights, etc. are. Many have also talked about how little they care about the score, only play for fun, and then complained that CD out numbers them and labeled us a zerg server..

Those servers are all below us now. The only server I noticed who talks like CD does in the forums was TC. TC plays to win, cares about the score, and doesn’t spread a lot of man power all over the maps in small groups, but stays relatively organized with quick response times. TC was the only server we’ve faced that beat us often.

Granted the people who post on the forums don’t speak for everyone on the server, but it does seem you can get a general feel for how a server plays based on their forum representation.

You shouldn’t have to use TS to get info in WvW.

Roo Stercogburn.9671:

Raincrow.1840:

It’s funny to me how many people comment on this thread and don’t realze tanks are actually in the game already.

As a driveable vehicle in WvW with space for a gunner?

No, but I’m not talking about the OP, or anyone making a request for tanks in WvW… my comment is directed at the people who think Tanks don’t fit into the lore, and equate the OP’s request with asking for space ships and nukes, etc.

It’s funny to me how many people comment on this thread and don’t realze tanks are actually in the game already.

Jeknar.6184:

Doomdesire.9365:

Pact Airship!!!

A big ocean and Pact submarines!

THAT would be cool. Actually I’d love to see a water map, with Islands, long bridges you could blow up, and ship to ship combat!

Jaxon.5392:

Golems are already a stretch for me in breaking the whole fantasy element. Let’s keep tank, places, helicopters, rocket launchers, and biochemical warfare outta here

Isn’t all of that in the game already?

Folk.2093:

CD just got “Better” and “organized” enough to go from third place during the TC vs FA vs CD rounds to first place. Is my assumption correct?

I don’t think it’s that we’re that much better or more organized, I just think our players are more active in WvW right now. We did get some transfers like a month ago, and those new organized guilds are rubbing off a little more on our pug players, but that’s not the reason for the big a difference population wise.

There was a time when we were labeled the unoffical PvE server, though I havn’t heard that in weeks. We did seem to have a bigger drop off during the holiday events, and when fractals were first released. Sure every server has a drop off during that time, but CD often goes from having the most players in the tier to being vastly outnumbered during PvE type events. I guess fractals are getting old, and with no events we’ve got most of our players in the WvW maps.

It’s a double edged sword though, because often we’ve got the numbers advantage one week, and then we’ve lost it the next.

Catisa.6507:

inbetween.5623:

You honestly shouldnt be WvWing to profit, thats your issue. The reward is the enjoyment, if you dont enjoy it, you simply dont do it.

Why not? Anet has stated if we want to play wvw 100% of the time and never PvE we should be able to. That is their goal. PvE players make a lot more money ‘just PvEing’ then WvW do just WvW’ing.

This ^
I honestly think many of the people who are against rewards in WvW are likely just PvE players trying to make sure they stay on top of the pyramid.

Also, the OP brings up a good issue, but his solutions aren’t very good. Changing the cost from Gold to Karma wouldn’t remove disincentives, just exchange one for the other.

Hekatombaion.4320:

After all of those, if we don’t see you carving out any territory on each other’s maps-
Well then there’s only one reason left for you to spend all your time on ours: because we’re weak.

If that is the reason that all the enemy commanders spend their time in CDBL, well then we’re going to have to stop being weak.

Well said.

Stuff like this is why I love playing on CD.

Intigo.1653:

You feel “burst dmg is too high” because you’re bad at the game. The rest of us do not feel that way, because we are not.

Wow, some of you really have no clue how to debate a topic at all.

Sol.4310:

Burst is rather low in the video. Take it you haven’t seen real burst builds.

You fail on your first point.

What is with you people and the assumptions?

How would taking an even higher burst build that does even more damage effect my point? All you’ve done is make my point for me. Burst in the video is so high that 12 people can kill a much larger force in seconds… but that’s ok, because there are builds that can kill people even faster….. Seriously? That’s the best you’ve got?

Oh I see you did more “Stop being a baddie” nonsense I’ve already addressed. I think I’ll skip it this time.

Intigo.1653:

Much like the people in this thread going “omg burst is too high” when, back in reality once more, it can be easily avoided if you know how to play the game.

Everyone “knows how to play the game”…. everyone knows how to pan the camera, and everyone knows how to dodge. Your entire argument is based on the ridiculous assumption that most players don’t have a clue how to play, and that’s complete garbage.

Most of the people in the video are in the process of doing something as this team rolls in. They’re either heading into battle, manning siege or already engaged in combat. You can ride around on a high horse and pretend anyone who gets caught in a burst attack is a complete tool who doesn’t understand his key board, but that’s hardly a valid argument. It’s really just you trying to be a big shot, and defending one shot kills.

Frankly, I would expect skilled players to enjoy more drawn out combat, in which a long series of tactical choices leads to the winner being the players who made the most correct choices over the course of a long battle.

But noooo…. you want…. “Oh you don’t see me? Bang, You’re dead”

How does promoting THAT style of game play make you the “good” player here?

Sol.4310:

There isn’t to much burst damage, there just big gap between bad players and good players. A good player will dodge….

None of this has anything to do with my point, which is the amount of damage done in initial bursts. Obviously if the burst doesn’t hit for whatever reason, there’s nothing to worry about…. but I’m specifically talking about the amount of damage done when IT ACTUALLY HITS….

All this macho chest thumping about how anyone who thinks burst is too high must be a bad player who smashes his key board and doesn’t know about the dodge key is pure nonsense. It’s made up in your head to justify bad game mechanics.

I kill people with high burst far more often than I’m killed by it, but rather than take the time to understand my point you’ve made an assumption about me, and the vast majority of players in the game, based on no experience playing with or against any of them.

I’ll explain it AGAIN, because some of you are having a hard time comprehending….

BURST DAMAGE IS TOO HIGH.

Any argument based on “just find the dodge key baddie” or any other nonsense about how great you are compared to all the other bad players out there is completely invalid and meaningless to what I’m saying.

BURST DAMAGE IT TOO HIGH.

The video proves it. If you dodge the burst, combat continues as it should. But if you LAND THE BURST… as I said in my first comment, IT IS TOO HIGH. People die within seconds, and that’s broken game play in my opinion. That’s all there is to it.

Hecksa.7140:

No, it’s not 12 people killing 20+ within “seconds”. .

Yes, it is.

Hecksa.7140:

With 12 people beating on that one guy.

I’m not talking about 12 people beating up ONE guy….. I’m talking about the actual video and how it demonstrates that burst damage is too high. This isn’t 12 people focusing on 1 player and killing them too fast… It’s 12 people using initial bursts to desimate larger forces within seconds.

There’s nothing wrong with what the guys in the video are doing, they’re playing the game as it works best, but it demonstrates a flaw in the game… BURST is too high. Lowering burst damage would have a huge impact on the fights in this video, because it wouldn’t be over as soon as they hit their initial combo attacks.

Sustained damage is fine, burst is the problem.

Hecksa.7140:

You should really watch some proper guild vs guild fights sometime, so you can see how little “who can land the combo first” actually matters when you’re fighting against people who know where their dodge key is.

Lines like this show me how little you even undestood my point. Better to attack other players than simply watch the video and see how much damage the initial burst does.

double post….

Intigo.1653:

Are you seriously saying this.

Yes. I often seriously say things that are true.
/shrug

Intigo.1653:

When you’re taking concentrated fire from 20+ people and you don’t move/dodge then YES, you are going to DIE because you deserve to.

Did you even watch the video? No one is taking “concentrated fire” from 20+ people. LOL!!! It’s 12 people killing 20+ people within seconds. That’s not concentrated fire, that’s spamming AOE combos on people who are dead before they can react.

If you’re doing anything that takes longer than that, you’re clearly doing it wrong.

Intigo.1653:

You honestly do not know what you are talking about and should try having some high level WvW fights before you pretend to know anything about it.

You didn’t even watch the video. And you don’t know anything about me, so all your posturing and assuming about me is meaningless. Especially since you don’t even seem to understand what the term “concentrated fire” means.

Please…. Watch the video, and then come back and tell me how it takes a long time to kill people in WvW so I can laugh at your comment again.

Burst is too high in this game.

The vid itself is cool, shows what an organized team can do. Good job to the people in the video…… But the reality is, anytime a small group can kill 15-20+ people in a matter of seconds, you know the game is pretty much broken. It stops being skill and turns into who can land the combo first.

It’s funny because I’ve had debates with people who claim players don’t die too fast in GW2… this video proves me right.

RyuDragnier.9476:

snacktime.1082:

Overall, rangers are not competitive in zerg warfare if that’s what your focus is. The top wvw guilds don’t recruit rangers, which kind of says it’s all right there.

I have to ask this, then are they TRULY prepared for a Ranger? If you don’t expect to see a ranger, how do you know when to prepare for one when you don’t expect it? After all, it’s just like a certain other thing that nobody expects…

I don’t think it matters, since as the guy you quoted said, the Mesmer projectile bubble stops you from doing anything (or kills you if your timing is bad) anyway. In high tier WvW, mesmer’s chain confusion constantly, not because they’re thinking about Rangers, but because it’s how they block most anything comming their way.

Bow using Ranger’s are simply hurt more by this common tactic than other classes.

Some of that could be the server you’re on.