Guild Wars 2

I seem to have no issues competing with longbow range when i have grenade kit activated.

Why ‘should’ there be an overflow or a lack of something anywhere? That makes no sense. Healthy economy is based upon mercantile interaction, not stagnation. :/

The same way that ‘professionalism’ in the real world turns people into socially minded people.

Or during the time when people cared what their neighbours thought of them.

Semantics. Just because one race is a predator doesn’t devalue another race’s gifts.

For instance, the Norn have a core virtue of robust spirit, and endurance. I imagine it would be tough to keep a Norn from attaining whatever goal they had in front of them.

I’m sorry you feel that way. If that were true however, then they would have closed those options. The Legions are against religion, not magic. There is a distinct difference between the two. The Shaman class beefed up the Flame Legion, and that’s what got kicked out of the Citadel, not ALL magic using people.

So, I really can’t agree with you there, Grunt.

I like the old west look. Though, when makeover kits arrive, I’m going to get rid of the hair and change the horns.

I can afford it to. I’m adult with a full time job, but that doesn’t make me wanna give them my money over a betting system. I still can’t justify giving that much money away for something that’s not going to change my game at all. It would be like buying a that kitteny horse mount in WoW.

Sons of Svanir worship Jormag, so anything else serpent related might not get the same reaction from some folks.

Yeah I’m so not spending anything on any of this. Some of the skins on TP are ridiculously priced as well. You could buy yourself an exotic or 10 for what the skins are going for. It’s soooo not worth it.

Gotta patch first before you open stuff.
But, others have bad luck too. reported; some 80+ chests and 2 skins in another thread.

Needless to say, I won’t be buying keys for such a lousy rate as all that.

I can understand unlucky, but kitten

It was mentioned on authority that they would be made available ‘later this month’ in another thread. It was highly anticipated by myself and a few others, but they were not added (or i just didn’t see them) in this patch according to the notes. Which is fine, I suppose.. but will they still be made available ‘later this month’?

Is there an update on this? I know lots of fugly toons that might need to be hit with the pretty stick.

Agreed on that point, at least.

Not all weapon sets are created equal to others. It’s how they mesh for you and with your other chosen skills.

The idea to be an engineer is to be an engineer, not conform to support roles that some random forum troll are going to impress upon you. People get to pick and choose their playstyle and let that define them. No one has any need to care beyond that, and it certainly is no one else’s problem if people want/dont want to drop elixirs at their own feet.

What do you do when you solo then, or everyone is standing around you? Ignore the toolbelt elixirs because you’re afraid to look cheap and newbish? That’s BS, and it shows weakness.

yeah, the wall of imaginary nodding heads behinds you tells the story. yup yup.

Uhh… again, grenades do all the things you ask for.. and can be made very very long range.

/downvote.

Also, this:

The rest of us should not be forced to suffer your personal idea of what the persona of what an engineer is, based on TF2 character.

Declaring we should accept the lore and concept of a TF2 class in GW2 over accepting GW2 class and concept is just plain ego maniacal. I mean geez, that is way over the line of logic fella.

The power ‘Trick Arrow’ was done in City of Villains/Heroes as well, nearly exactly as you described, using that as a reference. But, you are willing to impress your idea of it gauged upon what you saw in a movie, over the homage of the TF2 model? Who subjecting whom to what?

you can throw them at your feet by tapping it twice without targetting anything.

@awesome: thats like.. your opinion, dude.

Krosslite.1950:

Marlafox.8715:

Spirit of the Orca we can have an underwater form that looks like Moby Lick from street sharks.

Dang you beat me to it. I was gong to say Killer Whale also

Except he wasn’t the first to mention it, and Orcas ARE killer whales.

When I found out what tool was for the right job. Know your battlefield, and know your enemy. Work your play accordingly. Adapt and overcome. That sort of thing.

I love my flamethrower but i rarely use in the high end zones. Now I’m willing to try it out and see for myself. Could be fun, if the topography doesn’t kill it.

Cataclysm.7491:

Ramethzero.3785:

Let me offer some solutions. …Snip…

i’m interested to see the same for Blood and Ash

I appreciate the nod. Lemme give Ash go today, since they are my fave.

Warrior in the Ash Legion: All legions need ‘that’ guy. The get er done and no kittening around guy. The guy that is going to be the distraction. The charr that doesn’t care what you think of the Ash Legion. He’s going to gut you, and has no need to be stealthy or skulking around to do it. I can also potentially see them being duelists. When a champion need be picked, the Warrior steps to tow the line. You don’t like Ash legion policy? Okay, let me introduce you to THIS charr. Another good profession for warrior could be for wartime strategy. Not everyone in Ash legion needs to be a rogue type element. The Ash could never persist without structure. The officer Charr in charge is used to being in command, and that command is not to be effed with.

Guardian in the Ash Legion; You’d think this was an oxymoron but it isn’t. There is a point of view to being the right and the left hand of the Khan-Ur. While the right hand is the muscle, and the left is the brains. A guardian believes in their cause, and the cause is righteous. But, you are saddled with duty you might not always feel comfortable with, but that’s your burden. You know the secrets of some that you cannot speak, but you carry that burden with honour. You are the go-to image of the tired warrior that does Ash Legion business because the younger less disciplined won’t be as thorough as you are. You remember when Ash Legion was pure, and perhaps… with your leadership it still can be.

Ranger of the Ash Legion; Scout extraordinaire. You know the enemy better then they know themselves. You know where they run, they play, and where they keep their information locked up. You also know beasts because because beasts are simpler then the rest of the legions. Beasts can be subtle. You often boast you trained a trained a dog to steal a file straight off the desk of a flame legion commander’s desk, while he was taking a <bleep>. Those were good times.

Thief of the Ash Legion; No one coined the Ash Legion like the Thief. It would be redundant of me to bring up more.

Engineer of the Ash Legion (my main); The engineer is the jobber. The operative. The mightnight bomber. He’s the clever one that gets inside your base, and steals your cookies.. leaving a trail of gunpowder and the smell of brimstone behind. This Charr is scary because he can monkeywrench behind enemy lines. No fortification is safe from the Ash Legion Engineer. He will find the weakness in your defense, and exploit it.

Mesmer of the Ash Legion: No one gets inside your head like the Mesmer. Just as every group needs a thinker and a motivator, this is the Charr the pulls all the right strings. He gets you to drop your guard. He may not even raise his sword to kill you, but will get you in the way you never saw him coming. This Charr likely has people in his pocket, and is not scared to use his leverage to force the enemy to back down.

Elementalist of the Ash Legion; You need someone to infiltrate the Flame Legion? Then this is the Charr for the job. With all the command of the elements, you can bet this charr can assess your resources and have a portable means of destroying your toys with just a shake of their staff and a blurb of arcane commands. The Elementalist is also a forward observer. With enough patience to understand the long view of things. It takes patience and tenacity to command such destructive forces. If only the others understood that this connection tends to mold you into a methodical and thorough soldier. Even front line fighters need air support, and you know what to call.

Necromancer of the Ash Legion; Dead men tell no tales, right? Utter nonsense. The dead talk, only too much. It’s just a matter of asking the right questions, and reading the answers in their entrails. Some may not understand or even like to mess around with corpses and the fallen, but necromancers seem to not care much about this stigma at all. Besides, if the ghosts ever return.. you alone have the power to send them back. You are the exorcist; The misunderstood diviner; and the speaker for the heroes of old. Only those that commune with the dead will hear the tales of glory from those that died for it. If anything, the others should have reverence what you bring to the table. The Charr have no gods. This is true. But the songs of the dead tell you everything you need to know about valor, glory, and the virtue of the legions.

The best weapon combo, as stated about a billion times already… is one that works for you. There is nothing wrong with what you have unless you just suck at it or have problems with survivability.

“Whats the best weapon for X?” Question is irrelevant in this game, unless you are asking for specifics. If its PvE, its everything. If its PvP, then your options will depend on what sort of PvP you do. The community needs far more details then the ones you provided.

Ive only noticed it as a graphical issue. The toolbelt skill works properly as far as I have seen. Its just… well.. my charr points his pistols straight up too. :/ wierd, eh?

Eh… I dont buy entirely what josh is saying. They have gotten rid of the idea of having a trinity setup for MMO’s? Yes. Does it stop the mobs from behaving certain ways? In many ways they do act and respond according to standard aggro. There might be some detailed criteria in their behaviour we are just not privy to, but that doesn’t mean there is no such thing as consistancy at all. Pay attention to the mobs and you will see many that the species does matter. This is especially true with labeled mobs (for example, centaur blahtyblah and Hylek Blahtyblah) where they have the same skillsets. The AI of some of these mobs do behave similarly, like when people are trying to pick up fallen players. The problem with it also being totally random is in the concept itself. If its totally random what they do, then how can you experience consistancy in their behaviour? This is why its kinda a mystery to me.

The only close to point observation is that there could be varying sets of aggro mechanics, which is also not unheard of in your other standard mmo genre’s.

This is something only the technical side of things can answer. But, the only problem with that is they’d be making a mistake to leak aggro mechanics out, or else they’d risk players catching on.

I’m positive there are agg mechanics, but they must be pretty detailed to the point where you’d spend too long trying to figure it out and not enough time actually playing.

Why would you want a weapon that does the same thing that grenade kit can do? I can see the engineer getting trick crossbows for lore reasons, but id rather have more fixes then more fluff (especially since most of our fluff is kinda broken).

Edit: Clearly someone is not happy that CoX is shutting down. :P

Just to add my two copper here.
Its not just a bug related to engineers. Something is just wiggy about hate and agg in this game in general. I can’t seem to find much criteria, though my engineer does grab insane aggro all the time.

I was on my thief in Ebonhawke, and was facing off with the ebon vanguard recruits. I got one of them to duel me, and instead of going straight for me it went to a warrior who was clearly afk. He crossed the field, completely ignored me while I was stabbing away at him, and never once attacked me back. Needless to say, it raises eyebrows.

I would pick the spirit of the Narwhal or the Orca, the spirit of Sea Lion, and the spirit of the Albatross.

Albatross would be the easiest to assimilate.

Let me offer some solutions. As mentioned before in another thread, there are LOTS of generalizations. To me, they are fine and all, but if you only have a very small idea of the scope of the Charr Empire, then you’re only going to come into small and overdone ideas. The Blood legion is not all just blood and guts, and the Ash legion isn’t all just assassins and skulkers. That would never work out in a developed society that has gone beyond despotism. Anet wants people to view GW2 as their ‘living, breathing world’ so you can’t just gloss over something and ignore the meat of the concepts. Even in their storylines they demonstrate different roles and some of them are not typical at all. But, lets start from the beginning…

Warrior – A warrior in the Iron Legion could be responsible for vanguard posts. They keep their eyes on the horizon for potential threats to the fortifications, all the time still remaining a loyal soldier to the legion itself. Groundpounders are always needed.

Guardian – Another vanguard type, and protector of supply lines. Or, a bodyguard to an officer type. Guardians to me, form the glue of warband mentality. I think every warband should have one or two. You can be the inspiration of the group, as well as the symbol of endurance and perserverance.

Ranger – an Iron Legion ranger is your scout, your surveyor, and your operative all in one package. I had an idea once where an Iron Legion ranger did beast tending duties for seige devourers, who in turned were used for ballistic warfare like they were in Guild Wars 1. This is an easy pick for me.

Thief – You are the espionage man, the rear guard charr, and the guy who puts the monkeywrench in other people’s machinery. Sabotage, Explosives, and point break assaults. Easily in mind for Iron Legion Thieves.

Mesmer – A mesmer in the Iron Legion (ive mentioned before in another thread) is a stealther, and an illusionist. To me, illusion based roleplay opens many many doors. Misdirection, trickery, and outmaneuvering your opponents have historyically won more wars through history then brute strength. Finesse is a tool that can be taken advantage of by all the legions. And remember on major thing about Charr culture. They are effectively emulating on some scale, the Roman Empire with steampunk elements. Rome was also very well known for its bureaucracy as well. All major empires of history had movers and shakers. Logically, the Charr would be no different.

Necromancer – an Iron Legion necromancer can add his experience with death and undead to allow themselves to adapt to new scenarios involving the undead. My Necro was an Iron Legion and it blew my mind that the first legion mission they give you is one that does that very thing. I won’t spoil it here, but it fit beautifully. The Iron Legion needs that expertise and will use any knowledge to gain advantage.

Elementalist – Iron Legion elementalists can be employed to not just harness, but COMMAND with an authority like no other.. the fires of engines and the molding of earth and steel. I suspect that Elementalist tacticians are used to plan and build new fortifications that can also withstand weather and time. Easy easy easy to think how this sort of caster can be valuable.

Any of that helpful? Just a couple of examples that could lead you out of being pigeonholed.

EDIT: I could do this same sort of list for the other two legions as well.

To answer the OP, any of the professions work well with Charr.

There are some common generalizations, but effectively its just a lore thing. I can find a reason why a Necro would be in the blood legion, and why an engineer can be in the Ash Legion. If you are a resourceful mind, you can make anything work. I see lots of people like to give into common stereotypes.. and for a game that’s just fine, but it really stifles personal creativity. Its also a good point of character generation to re-imagine what it would be like to choose between conformity, and rebellion.

For example, playing a mesmer among the blood legion. Kinda boggles the mind, right? Maybe that’s his issue, that he feels that he/she would be better suited to say.. Iron Legion, where this Charr can use his magic to engage an armoured squad into stealth formation. The enemy could hear the noise off on the horizon, but would they be prepared for the strike??

Or a Necro in Ash Legion, wishes he was in Blood, so he can use his expertise in dealing with ghosts…

Or an Elementalist from Blood, who uses his magic to speak to the spirits of the machine. They are, after all.. constructs of the elements. That Charr would be best suited to Iron Legion.

You could even go deeper, but you get the point. Think outside of the box! It could lead to some fun times.

As much as I love the Charr, it would be outright tactically stupid to attack the Norns. First, it yields no result and ultimately nothing can be gained. Secondly, if the Charr attack the Norn, the norn can easily ally themselves with the humans and since the Black Citadel is pincered off between both nations.. they’d be shooting off their own foot. The Charr need peace just as much as the other groups do. Don’t think that because the Charr are militant that it makes them superior. Hoelbrak is built in a corner, and backing a whole nation of Norns into a corner is a really really really bad idea.

I like the mutual respect that Norns have for Charr and vice versa. Makes for good story.

Norns were also in history, an ancient tribe of swedes. If you know anything about ancient vikings, they were the terrors of the seas and robbed europe of its treasures as far back as Roman historians can remember. Norn Thief? Absolutely believable. Also, Norn in game are far more into glory then honor, and this is demonstrated routinely by the Svanir (who are allowed to coexist with the rest of the norn). They are all about “what kinda story will this make!” so doing acrobatic aerial maneuvers to amaze onlookers seems even more legit to me. Don’t let the beefcake fool you into lumping all Norn into the HULK SMASH because that just paints the norns into being slowbrained brutes, which is far from the truth.

There isn’t enough evidence to make an informed conclusion, other then just observation. In which case, it boils down to physiology. Muscle mass may not always be the defining thing either. Strength and focus are two different things.

All of the above. In another game, I’ve played tech’s and the like.. so when the class was posted on the Anet docket, I was like.. hurray!

I adore being versatile, and finding new builds and theorycraft. I even find enjoyment in builds that aren’t so ‘viable’ by others who find them to be somewhat weak. I have fun by creating chaos. 90% of the time, chaos subscribes to no one typical build. Explosives, fire, energy blasts, turret blasts, and controls are all part of the game. Effectiveness on my engineer is only partially based upon numbers, and mostly about ATTITUDE.

I picked order of whispers on my engineer. He was Ash legion before that, so Order of Whispers seemed natural to him. Besides, the stereotype later I learn is that not all OoW operatives are all sneaky stabby agent types. Some of them are tacticians, strategos, and commandos that work behind enemy lines. And, Tybalt. Nuff said.

=) So yeah.. no regrets

Order of Whispers pistol. Its a silenced flinklock. How do you silence a flintlock???

I grab agg the kind of agg that makes zhaitan run in fear. I can sometimes shake it, but there are times when it sticks like glue so bad, I burn holes in my shoes and could eventually run out of bomb fuses.

My lvl 80 Charr Engineer, Nine Devils. Ash Legion. I wanted to go for an old west steampunk look for this one.

I love the elixir gun. I like all the kits too. They can be effective you understand their purpose. However, it can be a bit strange to balance your gear and stats according to the best way to utilize said kits. I have found that to get the most out of optimization, you might need several builds tested and available for respec if you need them. I have found ways to be good at one or two with a few swaps. I suspect to be flexible yet effective with all the kits will require more time and effort than the past month and a half have given me.

xformulax.5462:

Are you on Sorrow’s Furnace?

Tarnished Coast, actually. Its funny to see that the name can conjure marshmellow on more then just one server.

I actually rolled my first toon and norn and was very much unhappy with it. I liked Norns in the EotN, and the norn I see now are nothing like that at all. They seem so far gone from the ones I remembered that I can’t even deal with it in their dialogue. When I rolled my ranger, I was blown away by the beginning intro. Later, as i progressed through the game.. I felt like the cover story was a lie. I never once could connect the two. At least with my Charr, you get a sense of how far they have come and how little you really wanna mess with the Legions. The Norn however, seem like they were all churned out of the Slab RockBeef cloning labs, and if you listen close enough to can hear the same voices in your head selling Bowflex machines at your local mall.

I deleted all of mine but one. He is short, portly, bald, and doesn’t give two kittens about being legendary.

Nine Devils. Ash Legion Sniper and Operative. lvl 80 Engineer.

My elementalist is iron legion. My reason was, that the spirit of iron lives in all Charr like the other elements do. Who better to command that element then an elementalist?

Adding my two cents to the Dinky thread. I gotta admit hes a great addition to the game. I only got to see Dinky on my second charr, after I played through OoW storyline with Tybalt. I also really love Tybalt’s persona as well. Also, for the sheer shadiness and giggles.. I like Korukhan the Blacksmith as well. He reminds me somewhat of Scar from the Lion King. =)

As a side note, Norn storyline characters are quite one sided by comparison. they all seem to talk and act too similarly for me to really get into them. I re-rolled all my norns (sans one), to Charr for that reason.

That is a nice rollout for visual representation, Beyreva. I might have to go after some of that. =)

I have a charr engineer, Ash Legion, who uses the charm stat not because hes a ladies man or a talker, or any other common stereotype. Hes charm because hes a mover and a shaker, an organizer, and a doer. Even as semi-barbaric as they come off, they are rather brilliant and innovative. They are the toughest and most rigid of what you see coming out of the Roman Empire era, thats why I like them so much. Aggressive enough they don’t take guff from anyone and smart enough to know to maintain their own structure. How can you not be charming with all that going for you? I walk with charisma as my iron horse. I wouldn’t have it any other way.

I adore the fact that Charr live one by one word. TENACIOUS. It seems glorious to live and die to make the goal happen, and the entire time they grab at it with claw and fang. To me, that is the essence of really living. My toon may not have the conventional naming going for him, but the nickname he does have speaks enough for itself.

I saw someone running around with the name Marshmurellow. I laughed hard enough to snort out my drink.