Guild Wars 2

Anet has it wrong.

The problem has never been having CC and damage.

The problem is that Warrior have big damage and CC while wearing a soldiers amulet. Seriously, if you run soldier’s on a warrior you will have almost as much damage as a zerker warrrior. It’s pretty broken. I think zerker hammer is pretty balanced compared to the rest of the meta (s/d thieves/ spirit rangers/ rabid bomb nade engis/dhumfire necros)

EgyptRaider.3946:

encourage me to keep leveling my character in PvE going for the ultimate armor

Just what we needed! More incentive to PvE!

Ok so here’s what I got out of this….

ladders… I’m looking forward to this.

PvP specific rewards are completely out the window. You’ll soon be able to PvE, or buy gems straight up for PvP swag? WHAT?!?!

Skill points. Now we have to UNLOCK skills. Meaning that players who have unlocked those skills will have an ADVANTAGE over those who have not. The playing field is no longer even.

This was so disappointing…..

Hotjoin 2.0

Build Wars 2

Any thoughts/input?

Mace/x + Hammer warrior with Stomp, Bulls Rush, and “Fear Me!”. 30 in discipline for burst mastery.

Highest CC in the game

/end thread

Certain traits/abilities/skills are conditional upon the enemy having certain boons/conditions on them (more damage when foe meets X condition). Therefore, I think we should have the option to give certain boons/conditions priority in size on our buff/debuff bar.

For example, say you have the Attack of Opportunity trait on Warrior (which increases damage by 10% vs bleeding foes.). You should have the option to modify your UI to increase the size of the bleeding condition on your enemies buff bar to easily discern it among the others. Along with this we should also have the option to display the seconds remaining on the condition without scrolling over it (maybe give the same option for cooldown display as the skills on our skill bar, where you can have the seconds remaining displayed directly over the skill).

Also, there was a thread posted within the last couple weeks which stated that we should have timers to manage the status of our traits with ICD’s. I fully support this idea. I would give a link to the thread but cba.

What do you guys think?

Darnis.4056:

It’s pretty ridiculous against classes not running many condi-clears who depend on teammates like guardian..

Condi Duel build Warrior makes me cry every time.
Zero skill required hit a couple of buttons Maybe Ranged torment Maybe do a flurry wait out the dodges Weaponswitch
LONGBOW
MUH
FUGIN
5
FIRE FIELD 5k crit Exploding Arrow gg

Oh and if you can frontload a 16 bleed stack with a necro to signet of spite>Epidemic it in a team fight? Full condies +17 bleeds on 2 guys at least gg.

I laughed irl.

There are sometimes I honestly feel like this game would be much better without condition damage amulets. I just don’t think conditions are fun. I can’t even roll condition builds because I find them so boring.

Oh man I feel you. There will be nights I queue in team and just face Goodfights (#1 guild NA) over and over again. Then we queue dodge them and destroy some new players 500-xx. It’s actually very rare to have a good game.

Does anybody else think this build is grossly overpowered and lame?

Why does this exist?

Hello everyone,

My name is Rar. I play a main warrior and secondary guardian with top 100 experience. I currently pug with friends but am looking to to get into a competitive and static team. I have a pretty flexible schedule so whisp me in game if you have a spot for me to try out. I can tender references if necessary.

There are NPC’s that grant swiftness in the major cities. Just not in the heart of the mists.

google.3709:

warriors aren’t going away

Thunderbird.4298:

This is almighty crysis and i have been using LB GS in light of the upcoming patch.

You two have quelled my fear of having to re-roll.

This is kind of annoying. I’m have sheathing bound to a hot key when I PvP so I can save weapon cooldowns (Backbreaker, final thrust, etc.), but sheathing weapons doesn’t cancel Rush.

This is annoying and should be fixed.

Rubik.7192:

Bumping. Got an internship so I might be playing during NA times. Currently top 100 in team arena.

Made top 100 with Rubik tonight.

Super cool dude. You’re gimping yourself by not playing with him.

I have a feeling warriors will shift out of the meta after the patch (aside from the occasional condi war). Mostly because thiefs and mesmers make better roamers with mobility/stealth/burst and engis do downed cleave with grenades better than greatsword along with superior support through supply crate and healing turret.

I made it to rank 14 on the solo ladder, then i got four 4v5’s in a row vs players off the LB’s. Now I’m out of the top 100.

Done with solo until the game works.

Ryan.9387:

Tried 5 warriors in team queue. It didn’t work out very well.

1 ranger is good. More than 1 and your comp begins to suffer.

I was there. That kitten was hilarious.

“For Great Justice!”

On another note, there were a couple teams that successfully ran double spirit ranger comps in the MLG Tournament. Eura’s team was one of them

I actually used to have competitive and engaging games in solo queue, where it felt like everybody knew what they were doing. Now you’ll have two or three people who know what they’re doing on your team. It’s less about actual tournament strat now and more about trying to work around your desperately kitten teammates.

Try hard in solo queue or /wank for the same effect

#esports

NevirSayDie.6235:

I could be wrong, but I’d expect a move to heavy burst.

What makes you think that?

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

so what happened to the message?

Conspiracy.

Where do you guys expect the meta to head after the December 10th update?

This could be include different roles that professions will fill, new viable builds, different team strategies (burst vs condi pressure), etc. What are your thoughts?

Writetyper.1985:

please for the love of god don’t take 4 months to fix this like with para sigil

I finally made top 15 on the solo leaderboards today. Right afterwards I got two 4v5’s versus a bunch of random people off the lb’s. Thing was that in both cases we had over 250 points despite doing a 4v5 and my rating is still going to tank.

The fact this system hasn’t been fixed yet is an absolute joke. This game will NEVER be taken seriously until the people who created the game take it seriously. There is absolutely no excuse anybody could give me for this problem still existing. Awful.

What normally happens:

Random PvE’er kittening around in UI
“Pvp huh… I wonder. Woh! I can play now!”
plays now
Gets rolled
“PvP sucks”
never comes back

Today i was observing hotjoins and saw some thief in hotjoins spamming auto attacks on people with the default build and soldiers amulet. Then he says “I don’t understand this games pvp at all”.

Afraid we would lose another potential pvp’er I guested to his server, taught him how to gear, how to change traits, and got him set up with a basic D/P build. Then I showed him how to backstab, how to enter stealth by leaping through smoke fields, and some other basic thief stuff before sending him on his way with an invitation to pm me with any questions he may have down the road.

I spent probably about an hour with this dude showing him the basics. When all was said and done, I sent him on his way with an invitation to pm with any questions. Then I thought: “Why is this my responsibility?”

This was really satisfying. I do not like Backpack.

I feel the same way, Lux.

When I’m hot joining I will often 100-0 players only to find out they are under rank 10. Instead of feeling satisfied I feel bad for discouraging a new player from playing PvP.

I would like to see a method of solo queue play where players are matched bases on skill level/rank. I would also like to see more 5v5 servers. However, if both those things were added it would just be a solo queue where you could leave. :P

Blackjack.5621:

More like the death of soldiers hammer, since soldiers amulet was the better choice but might result into weak damage after the patch.

Yeah soldiers is getting hit hard but I mentioned in my OP that the nerf is warranted. The amount of damage/pressure you can do in soldiers amulet while still having amazing sustain is kind of wrong. The problem I have is that they are dramatically decreasing the effectiveness of hammer for those warriors who run Berserker’s.

Zenith.7301:

Switch to Hammer+Axe/Mace, voila you’re still OP as hell.

Warrior is the only class that can run knights and still do more damage than most zerker specs that are not mesmer or thief.

A number reduction to hammer is insignificant when you can switch to axe set in between stuns and auto people to death because axe chain is comparable to 100b as sustained damage.

All you need is to pop your IWIN stances with extra duration and become unpeelable.

I don’t even know where to start with this. I suspect a troll?

Usually a thief will use a steal traited with mug after a backstab and then auto attack for a sigil proc (air or fire) if It didn’t proc already.

It’s worth noting that steal has no activation time so you can get backstab and traited steal to damage at the same time. The damage you took was probably a combination of Steal + Backstab + Sigil proc.

Oh well. I guess I can accept the war nerfs and shelf my beloved hammer. I started practicing other professions more diligently after I saw the patch preview and let me tell ya.

I think it’s about to get REALLY ENGINEER UP IN THIS META!

JonathanSharp.7094:

If you want burst or DPS, bring an axe or a greatsword.

The problem is that both greatsword and axe are pretty bad at everything else. When running greatsword it’s mandatory to bring bulls charge and and frenzy just to make use of skill 2. Eviscerate on the axe does decent on demand damage if you manage to land it but all the other skills are terrible.

If the patch goes through as planned warriors won’t really be viable outside of the sword condition build and the occasional mid bunker (which already pales in comparison to guardian bunker).

Am I the only one who thinks that Hammer warrior when ran with Berserker’s amulet isn’t that over the top? The build is very counterable with it’s lack of disengage and susceptibility to burst damage, making it rewarding to play. Also it serves as a counter to all of the condition spam engis/necros and brings balance to the meta game.

Honestly I think the problem with hammer warriors being OP was that they can run soldiers amulet and still do big hammer burst. This allows them to waddle around the midfight and spam ground targeted AoE while laughing because nobody can can damage the warrior nearly as much as he is damaging them. This is bad gameplay and should not exist.

Can we just nerf Unsuspecting Foe and call it a day Instead of ruining hammer as a damage weapon completely?

There are actually very few power builds in the current meta. Right now those builds are Hambow warrior, s/d thief, p/d thief, and power rifle engineer. Two of these builds (Hambow and s/d) actually aren’t hard burst builds, but rather sustained damage builds that rely on utility (boon strip for s/d and CC for hambow) and soft burst capability to be effective.

An important thing to note is that both S/D and Hambow warriors are being nerfed to the ground next patch. It is likely the meta will stagnate into condition bunkers with the occasional hard burst roamer (Which in my opinion is much worse that what we have now).

Can we think about not reducing the damage on staggering blow and just reverting the cast time/rooting to the original? This will make the skill much harder to land and still leave warrior hammer burst semi-viable.

Just something to consider.

I was talking to an an Anet employee in game who said they were in the process of testing/experimenting with loadable build templates, but that there is no ETA for release yet.

APPROVED! This is by far the best solution anybody has mentioned to date. Please read this devs.

Solo queue in the lower ranks is pretty awful. I didn’t care for it until I made i into the top 500. Now I’ve made it into the top 100 and it’s pretty much the only thing I do. If you play on peak hours the matches are actually are a lot more competitive and people will swap profs/builds to fill necessary roles (which leads to some pretty fun/close games).

If you just care about getting up on the LB’s i wouldn’t recommend entering the queue when you’re on a losing streak. The way the MMR is set right now and also the low population can contribute to stacked teams repeatedly.

However, If you only play oceanic there is pretty much nothing you can do. Your chance of winning (at least in my experience) is random chance. Good luck mate.

Note: Sorry If this is a little rough to read. I’m kind of hungover.

JonathanSharp.7094:

Warriors are pretty strong right now, but will be seeing changes in an upcoming patch.

We like how they can be tanky, and we like how they can do DPS if they want. We also like the CC they can bring. We just don’t like them doing it all with 1 build.

This pretty much confirms that us warriors are getting a nerf. So stop arguing, band together, and pray that Anet doesn’t remove warrior from high end viability.

Lordrosicky.5813:

13, Inf Strike – not moving people to somewhere without line of sight
14, Larcenous strike – remove evasion from flanking strike
15, feline grace – add 10s icd
16, Shadows refuge – cooldown

No.

degoking.1482:

I just hope they do it right

Agreed, the game is in such weird state in the sense that a lot of stuff is overpowered in it’s own way. Which kind of equates to balance in it’s own way, but the balance only exists among the top tier builds. So the moment you deviate from the meta you just get absolutely wrecked.

It’s going to be difficult to adjust what they broke and I worry they’re going to botch it on the first patch, meaning they’ll just remove some things overpowered from the meta while leaving the others to dominate even harder.

It’s absolutely terrible. I’m frequently stuck with people who clearly have no idea what they’re doing and are often less than rank 10 (Yes I know ranks mean nothing but let’s be real) despite being in the top 100 on the leader boards. 90% of the time I can look at the teams at the beginning of the match and tell which is going to win. Sorry, this is kind of rant but come on. Is this going to be fixed?

whyme.3281:

But warrior was never a counter to condition damage, conditions were his weak spot, he was the anti-direct damage class. Se his high health, regen, armor,… no condition cleanses at the beginning. But then he got condition removes in every patch and now he has no weakspot.

Try fighting a good thief or mesmer with the hambow build.

Mindroach.6149:

Instead of granting immunity to CC for several seconds, why not change it to a stun break that grants immunity to the next CC skill for 30s (with the ability to stack upon use of other stability skills). As for wells, stack stability every tick.

So, instead of stability granting cc immunity, you want it to make you immune to the first CC? This would break the game.

Next thing you know you’re going to tell us you want immobilize to stack duration. Wait……..

NevirSayDie.6235:

I agree with you for the most part; however, complexity gaps do create imbalance at casual levels. The bigger the gap, the larger the imbalance. I think the complexity gap is a bit too large right now, which is turning away newer/casual players.

Small tweaks to lower the complexity gap would not hurt good players and would really help people getting started.

Yeah a narrower complexity gap is good but it’s not like it’s obscenely out of whack right now compared to other games (WoW). The problem with messing with the
complexity gap is you have to figure out how to increase the skill cap of build/profession without nerfing it’s maximum potential, which would probably require massive class restructuring.

Right now I’d say it’s best to balance builds according to their maximum play potential. After the MASSIVE amount of problems with the PvP system have been cleaned up then the developers can focus on tweaking profession/build skill caps.

EDIT: grammar

The QQ about how easy some builds are needs to stop.

“Wow hammer Warrior CC spam and GG”
“Bunker warrior banner regen + heal sig then /party”
“Spirit ranger spam 1 ftw”
“S/D thief spam 3 and win”
“condi necro: spam aoe and GG”
“D/P thief, 411122 and done”
etc. etc. etc.

This game is built to be fundamentally simple so that people can pick it up easily. Arguing that a build is overpowered because it’s too easy to play is ridiculous because some builds will always be easier than other (mind blast ele in guild wars 1).

The truth is that the majority of the skill in PvP revolves around positioning, dodging correctly, and advanced techniques that will give you the edge over other players (weapon sheathing, dodge jumping, knowing when to cleave/stomp, whatever). Just stick to a t1 build on your best prof and then get better at that stuff. You can complain when you’re number one on the leader boards.

Fortus.6175:

I would love to see the “extremely skilled” warrior players doing the same thing on staff ele, only then will anyone acknowledge their “skills”

Because people with over 1k hours on warrior will be elementalist masters. Obviously.

Thunderbird.4298:

This is Almighty Crysis and I am also very sick of people complaining about being stunned to death and blaming the game and not the extreme skill the warrior MIGHT just have….

^THIS. Can’t even count how many times people have tanked me in melee range, wasted dodges on auto attacks, or just completely ate hammer/longbow combos then cry that I’m being carried by my class.

I’ve been playing warrior exclusively since character creation and really try to be better at my class by watching streams of other warriors and playing other professions to learn their counters. This sudden influx of warriors in solo queue is bad because people have a stimga towards warriors now. However, it’s good because most of the warriors in solo queue are terrible and I usually obliterate them.

Caffynated.5713:

^
Condition builds are completely broken right now. They can spec to be bunkers while still bursting people down with 3k+ DPS from conditions.

Condition damage adds too much DPS for just one stat. The system itself is broken right now because power damage builds need to stack 3 stats to deal the damage of a condition spammer.

Completely agreed. After playing on the solo que ladder recently I realized that probably about half the player base is running bunker engineers and necromancers, sitting on points spamming aoe conditions. I play warrior main and i realize that warrior is really stronk right now. However, at the moment there exists no option for dealing with those bunker condi spammers other than HARD CC. It just so happens that warrior has pretty much all the practical hard CC at the moment.

Essentially Condi spam necros/engis and hammer/mace warriors are completely broken right now, but they balance each other. They both need to be looked at and toned down for other practical options to emerge.