Guild Wars 2

Its not nearly ready. And its probably going to be unfinished until after 2-3 patches down the road into August/September timeframe as the guy above suggests.

Kicast.1459:

Selya.5039:

Also, many people have suggested that mesmer needs an alternate composition to work, but have not provided any examples of such a composition. Would anyone care to suggest one?

Supcutie tried hard…and didn’t succeed according to previous thread he made.
But I am pretty sure all these poor thiefs will shortly explain him how to l2p….

He did play mesmer on the WTS against apparently a thief. The only reason he switched to thief is because his system malfunctioned and couldn’t use the mouse bindings so he had to use something else. I don’t know what you are refering too. Strawman argument much?

arron.7348:

stop mentioning “elite” levels of play when it comes to class balance

there is a reason those handful of classes are chosen everywhere: that’s what their classes are designed to fight. the meta is designed to fight the meta, it’s not a end-all, be-all of class builds. when a non-meta(or simply less common meta builds) appears, most of these “elite” users panic and make amateur mistakes(see: Abjured vs. oRNG).

Are you implying that either of those teams did rookie mistakes? Because the first 3 matches were so kitten close, you couldn’t tell who was going to win until the winner was announced, not to mention that oRNG’s first game was pure luck. As European myself, cheering for oRNG of course, both teams did exceptional gameplay and either one of them could’ve gotten the WTS.

Forsaker.9213:

This daily system is rly bad!
-ppl joining games , finishing daily and leaving before even game is over

You get no daily unless you win.

Stoaga.8190:

I’m new to guild wars 2 pvp but I played a lot of competitive games and i still play one on a daily basis (csgo).

In my opinion downed state in pvp is the most unfun and uninteresting thing I have ever seen in any competitive games. It is literally killing pvp.

Its one of the things you have to get used to in Guild Wars 2. The downed state is a double bladed sword.

On one hand, it lets you get back up to the fight, giving you a chance.
On the other hand, if the enemy provides enough cleave, your team will wipe trying to resurrect you.

Its one of the reasons the best NA team lost the world championship. They were sacrificing too much trying to get their teammates up, taking huge amount of damage in cleave, and ultimately failing to make the res, they were all on low hp and one player less. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that those are impossible odds.

With this in mind, you just have to learn to play around it. I personally like the downed system. It has a strategic part as well, which rewards risk. You can basically keep an enemy player downed to make him unavailable to his team. However, you never know if some of his teammates won’t popout of nowhere, res him and have yourself fight 2on1. Which is extremely difficult in Gw2.

Kicast.1459:

Ravenmoon.5318:

jportell.2197:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Kicast.1459:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Kicast.1459:

Thief have always needed and still need huge nerfs.
Highest mobility class must never be the hardcounter of anything.
Anet was not able to manage this in two years.
I don’t know if they are blind or if they just simply can’t due to awfull and broken initiative design.
Little tip for you anet…spammable skills must never be powerfull.

And the thief shouldn’t die in 2 crits but hey, it is what it is. If you can’t land 2 crits, that’s your fault. Live by the sword, die by the sword, lol

Yes it should…like other zerkers.
And thief is still one of the hardest class to down when well played.
But you are obviously not aware on what a good thief can do.

You clearly don’t know how immobilize works.

Agains’t s/d thief… Tell me how well immob works.

S/D damage is meh at best anyway … should all thieves switch to condi so you would feel less whiny, lol o.O

A good hambow will completely negate S/D thief.

Do you realize that a power ranger does more damage with bow than a thief with 2 pistols and has more defensive cleave than one.

Ok thank you for your feedback.
Thief does not anihilate mesmer because of hambow.
Good demonstration…and obvious fairness arguments….
I would say….thief spotted ;-)

Hmmmm, Is it really that hard to understand that sPvP and Gw2’s pvp in general is not meant to be 1on1? Yes the thief has the upper hand vs mesmer.

Guess what, DPS guardian wrecks thief. Do we y’all complain now that DPS guard is too bursty now or what?

Part of L2P is to pick your fights. Part of L2P is to bait players to your team. Part of L2P is to keep yourself alive while you are at it. L2P is not always an alias for noob.

If you go guns blazing in a every fight and you think you are entitled to a win just because you pressed 5 buttons, you’re doing it wrong.

P.S: I have yet to see a thief beating my bunker guard. After 2-3 minutes they just give up and move on.

OMGLOL buff thief, guardian too op…

P.S: Have you seen any traps thieves lately? Or venom thieves in that matter. Yeah, thief is not crippled class at all.

jportell.2197:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Kicast.1459:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Kicast.1459:

Thief have always needed and still need huge nerfs.
Highest mobility class must never be the hardcounter of anything.
Anet was not able to manage this in two years.
I don’t know if they are blind or if they just simply can’t due to awfull and broken initiative design.
Little tip for you anet…spammable skills must never be powerfull.

And the thief shouldn’t die in 2 crits but hey, it is what it is. If you can’t land 2 crits, that’s your fault. Live by the sword, die by the sword, lol

Yes it should…like other zerkers.
And thief is still one of the hardest class to down when well played.
But you are obviously not aware on what a good thief can do.

You clearly don’t know how immobilize works.

Agains’t s/d thief… Tell me how well immob works.

S/D damage is meh at best anyway … should all thieves switch to condi so you would feel less whiny, lol o.O

A good hambow will completely negate S/D thief.

Do you realize that a power ranger does more damage with bow than a thief with 2 pistols and has more defensive cleave than one.

S/D is going lengths to keep you dazed and immobilized, its not for everyone, thus the D/P is the meta at the moment. Which is extremely glassy

Kicast.1459:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Kicast.1459:

Thief have always needed and still need huge nerfs.
Highest mobility class must never be the hardcounter of anything.
Anet was not able to manage this in two years.
I don’t know if they are blind or if they just simply can’t due to awfull and broken initiative design.
Little tip for you anet…spammable skills must never be powerfull.

And the thief shouldn’t die in 2 crits but hey, it is what it is. If you can’t land 2 crits, that’s your fault. Live by the sword, die by the sword, lol

Yes it should…like other zerkers.
And thief is still one of the hardest class to down when well played.
But you are obviously not aware on what a good thief can do.

You clearly don’t know how immobilize works.

PSA: You can completely wreck a thief with aoe while they refuge.

Kicast.1459:

Thief have always needed and still need huge nerfs.
Highest mobility class must never be the hardcounter of anything.
Anet was not able to manage this in two years.
I don’t know if they are blind or if they just simply can’t due to awfull and broken initiative design.
Little tip for you anet…spammable skills must never be powerfull.

And the thief shouldn’t die in 2 crits but hey, it is what it is. If you can’t land 2 crits, that’s your fault. Live by the sword, die by the sword, lol

Just keep in mind that competitively, thieves rarely fight 1on1, if at all. Its the class that was forced to learn to disengage and do more useful things than fighting.

Just do a forum search and you’ll find tons of threads explaining that thieves should +1 fights and run points. If this is op then well, uninstall Gw2, lol

There even was a guy here posting last week believing he is doing something wrong as a thief and asked for help and the majority of replies reminded him of this sad truth. Because thief has been getting the nerf bat for the past 2 years and they have 2 viable builds, both being extremely squishy.

jportell.2197:

Ravenmoon.5318:

This thread is garbage, made by people who have only seen screenshots of thief and mesmer. A well placed eviscerate kills the thief (if they fail to dodge) so to be a good thief you have to be very observant.

I wonder though. If what you crybabies are claiming is true, and the thief is the “master race”, why don’t we see teams with 5 thieves? Since the thief can wreck any class, why bother playing anything else than a thief? Why is it so that a team with 2 or more thieves is at a disadvantage.

Godlike thief yo ….

I’ve seen teams of 5 power rangers completely obliterating Khylo from camp spots, teams of 5 turret engineers completely bunkering down every map. Have yet to see a team of 5 thieves in which they actually win.

You only need to spam your aoes to kill a thief. You don’t even need the bloody target which stealth prevents you from getting.

So hardcore….

Also you complain that thief runs only zerker and wrecks other zerkers. Well newsflash, the thief has NO OTHER viable set up. This is the only role thieves can play in the current meta. They suck at pretty much everything else. Pretty much the reason why you rarely see thieves in dungeon runs. Way too squishy to do kitten.

Dude. That’s not even the point of this thread.
Also yeah stealth prevents you from getting a target, so does blind. Guess what is required for at least one skill on every mesmer weapon? A target. Guess what thief can spam almost ad infinitum? Stealth and blind which prevent mesmer from even casting their most damaging skills.

Guess which is the only weapon mesmer can use that doesn’t require a target for its AA, Sword. Guess which weapon is one of the least used by shatter mesmers currently because they cannot survive in melee at all.

Yes I think the thief v mesmer match up needs looked at. No I don’t think one specific thing on thief needs nerfed. Yes I do think mesmer needs some form of buff at least in its ability to disengage from a fight/thief.

This isn’t so much a QQ thread as it is asking people why they think mesmer isn’t used as much in current conquest pvp compared to other classes, (yes I know necro and ranger are hurting they at least have more than one build that has seen high end play tho.) And if mesmer should receive something to make them more appealing to a team.

Seriously stop interjecting with random hyperbole.

Thieves can’t spam stealth and blinds “ad infinitum” (you know there is perfect english construct for what you are trying to say right?) if they want to be viable. Blind doesn’t prevent you from getting a target, blind makes you miss once… D/P has some spamability but they quickly run out of initiative. Once that happens I’m pretty sure even a kindergardener can defeat the said thief. Also SA thieves are terribad.

And, IMO, mesmer isn’t used as much as thief is only because its not as solo friendly as the thief. You don’t need your team 90% of the time as a thief. You need your team all the time as a mesmer due to the boon you provide and the sustain you would need.

Larynx.2453:

Ravenmoon.5318:

This thread is garbage, made by people who have only seen screenshots of thief and mesmer. A well placed eviscerate kills the thief (if they fail to dodge) so to be a good thief you have to be very observant.

I wonder though. If what you crybabies are claiming is true, and the thief is the “master race”, why don’t we see teams with 5 thieves? Since the thief can wreck any class, why bother playing anything else than a thief? Why is it so that a team with 2 or more thieves is at a disadvantage.

Yes, the typical standard adhered to for OPness is constructed on the premise that if it can’t be stacked to 5 and win, it’s fine.

Ravenmoon.5318:

I’ve seen teams of 5 power rangers completely obliterating Khylo from camp spots,

Ah yes, the illusive yet dreaded Euratien zord 5-man split.

Utterly bad attempt at troll. Learn to play, talk less, and you might actually start winning vs thieves, lol

This thread is garbage, made by people who have only seen screenshots of thief and mesmer. A well placed eviscerate kills the thief (if they fail to dodge) so to be a good thief you have to be very observant.

I wonder though. If what you crybabies are claiming is true, and the thief is the “master race”, why don’t we see teams with 5 thieves? Since the thief can wreck any class, why bother playing anything else than a thief? Why is it so that a team with 2 or more thieves is at a disadvantage.

Godlike thief yo ….

I’ve seen teams of 5 power rangers completely obliterating Khylo from camp spots, teams of 5 turret engineers completely bunkering down every map. Have yet to see a team of 5 thieves in which they actually win.

You only need to spam your aoes to kill a thief. You don’t even need the bloody target which stealth prevents you from getting.

So hardcore….

Also you complain that thief runs only zerker and wrecks other zerkers. Well newsflash, the thief has NO OTHER viable set up. This is the only role thieves can play in the current meta. They suck at pretty much everything else. Pretty much the reason why you rarely see thieves in dungeon runs. Way too squishy to do kitten.

warbignime.4610:

insanemaniac.2456:

well at least nightblue isnt a kittenbag like sodapoppin…

Soda is a pretty nice guy, he swear a lot but that is just his personalty, he just did a charity stream last sunday and raised 10k for charity.

I’ve bought kittenty humble bundle bundles for inappropriate amount of money and put most money in donations, does that make me a nice guy? How does that work.

Iavra.8510:

Well, Power Block could just give 5s cd to thief weapon skills. This way it would simply add +5s to the normal interrupted cd (which is 5s for every other class, 0s for thief) and would actually do something.

Besides, cooldown for thief skills is not 0, it is null. It doesnt exist. You cant add time to null.

Well, for once, this is not Java and even then, you would get a NullPointerException trying to calculate 2*null, so it seems to be an actual 0 instead

Thankfully, Gw2 is coded in C/C++ where nullptr basically equals 0

@TyPin – Its not the first trait that has 0 viability. Especially in the grandmaster slot. Its more of a design hindsight rather than a bug. Why would every profession suffer If it is moved to adept line? Well probably because every semi-braindead mesmer would be running interrupt build then and the only viable class will be the thief. Due to mechanics.

Do you know what’s probably the most kittened thing of this change? Those skills will waste initiative even when they fail (as they do now) instead of showing “No Line of Sight” error.

So yeah, this action or “exploit” as some of you call it, are not as braindead as some of you make it out to be.

Last night I almost got obliterated by a D/P meta noob because I thought I can pass one wall with shadow step, so i failed to interrupt his basilisk (while having most of my skills in CD from previous fight), wasted tons of initiative and almost got rekt xD

Narkodx.1472:

Best part of this thread is a bunch of NOBODIES saying shoutbow is a bad build

It’s not like one of the meta defining builds at the moment

It’s not like one of the best players in the world just won a tournament worth $25k using this build

Buff shoutbow

You have to give it to ROM though, he’s an exceptional player. The ninja stunts he pulled off at the finals were sick, in all 4 games. Very few players can play like that and the build has nothing to do with it IMO

TyPin.9860:

So imo the trait should be changed. Make it a master or even adept trait or change, what it does or make it effect thieves. In the current state, the trait is simply not used, because every other GM trait is more useful.

So .. because thief can’t get interrupted (as intended) all other classes should suffer?
Impeccable logic right there, sir.

Dondagora.9645:

Ravenmoon.5318:

I see you guys struggle with English words, here let me help you:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/instant

get rekt m8 lol

Continue to call us stupid, please.

I can only assume what you mean with this, but I’ll take a stab in the dark: Thief weapon skills are instant? Sure, some are, but some can be interrupted in their 1/4-3/4 of a second cast time. If not, please, elaborate on whatever you were trying to say, because a definition of a word isn’t usually counted as a proper explanation without context.

Well, the trait increases cooldown time, not cast time. English man, learn it.

“Thieves are the very reason most classes run bunker builds, because other than mediguard and maybe a well played berk warrior, thief hunts all others out of the meta.”

So are you implying that when there is no thief on the enemy team people begin to change bunch of traits and amulets?

Thief is the squishiest class. If you can’t burst down a thief down, git gud m8.

Oh wait … the average thief is better than the LB #2 spamming braindead ranger. Oh I see….thief requires you to be a better player to be viable and thus most of you fight against good players, while some of you only think they are good players and should win thief by pressing F1. I see what you did there :P

P.S: You hardly ever interrupt a thief weapon ability btw. Most skills give you evasion while they are being casted.

P.S.S: I can’t remember the last time any class interrupting me lately :O Seriously, how do you interrupt heartseeker or infiltrator strike or pistol whip or death blossom or shadow shot or headshot. <o> Think you can break the cloak & dagger but idk you have to be super lucky

My god i swear some mesmer players are terribad. More balance to the fight vs thief? Seriously? Learn to freaking play. I don’t know how many times a mesmer has had me on the defensive (pretty much disengaging because death inbound).

As a thief, i still consider the mesmer one of the harder classes to fight against. So quit your whining, watch some LordHelseth vids and git gud.

Do you remember the time when a pistol whip thief was 1-shotting just about any other class? Pepperidge farm remembers! Would be cool if they buff this build back. I would totally be fine with this change as a thief I want my big numbers … 11-12k and more in a single whip _

I like how there used to be a mesmer at this point in time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q-Wa6qnabU&t=248 then a pistol whip later and boom :U no mesmer ah good óle times, now i have to dodge and whatnot …. booooo

I see you guys struggle with English words, here let me help you:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/instant

get rekt m8 lol

Because breaking line of sight is so kitten hard, make a thief and go against a ranger. Wonder what threads would you make then

Hint: If you don’t LOS, you dead.

Oh look, thieves have executioner grandmaster trait, but you can make a distortion and avoid the dps. Welp … lets buff that GRANDMASTER trait and have it hit people through blocks and evasions and stuff. Yeah, seems fair!

Pretty sure every class can complain of other classes negating their grandmaster traits.
You can hardly get a bunker guard below the health threshold for the execution to work … OMG OMG NERF BUNKER GUARD BECAUSE THIS WAY HE EFFECTIVELY NEGATES EXECUTIONER TRAIT

wait what? o.O

Now if you are done posting jibberish, accept a simple truth. If you can’t beat a thief, you are not good enough. Also, there are classes/builds you simply can’t defeat in 1on1. Every thief lives with this mindset. Learn to do it as well.

/Thread.

P.S: Plus you are talking out of your kitten . Take D/P thief for example. If he fires Headshot at you and you block it, he is 4 initiative back. Maybe create a thief before posting bullkitten?

Also its like 99% of you thief crybabies forget that thieves get Revealed debuff on out of stealth anything…

Supreme.3164:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Supreme.3164:

Cynz.9437:

Shiyo.3578:

Thief shuts down or hugely pressures so many classes in group fights, and is the main reason so many builds are completely unviable in pvp.

shuts down many classes? like what? mesmers? so what? medi guards shut down thieves more~ besides mesmer still has good chance to nuke thief

as far as build go, i am pretty sure conquest itself is an issue…

the reason why thieves run zerker is because they don#t have a choice; could they run same faceroll crap like dd eles, they certanly would

shut down many class? like what?
-Like fresh air ele, zerker staff, any non cantrip build, any build with no enough sustain…EVERYTHING that it’s not d/d tanky spec

The reason why eles run celestial is because they don#t have a choice;could they run same faceroll crap like d/p or s/d thieves, they certainly would

Bullkitten. You are full of kitten mate. Fresh air ele can obliterate a thief if it sees it coming. If YOU fail to do so, then that’s YOUR issue. I can’t even count the times where a “fresh air” (whoever comes up with those names) 2-shot my thief, opening with a daze so I’m unable to shadowstep away and whatnot. Same for lichform necro. Do you see people moaning about it like you do? No. Instead, I disengage and stalk that ele, making sure I press Ctrl + T to have my teammates assist me whenever they can.

Sounds like a L2P issue to me, and its not limited to thief way of playing.

Newsflash, thief is meant to shred berserker amulet. What you hate is the stealth. No offense but you need to learn to play around that.

What’s next … berserker warriors too op because they can dps you for 6 seconds in god mode? Please …

The reason eles run D/D cele is because its the easiest build to play, period. Its pretty much good at everything. It has nothing to do with thief being on the map or not.

If you think I’m full of kitten, ask yourself … when there are no thieves on the enemy team, do you see elementalists and the rest of the classes you listed switching traits? No? Then there’s your answer.

I play conquest…no duelling room.

And no you can’t see a thief coming at all, because they stealth a mile away and maintain the stealth indefinitely

You can only guess is there and hope you react fast enough, but even then…what’s the point?? he just stealth again and you can’t do kitten, because 3/4 of your skills require a target, you can only hoping to dodge a backstab…and even then what’s the point?..He just keeps jumping around stealthing and stealthing till he can land a backstab : no risk huge reward.

But who am I to speak? Maybe you should ask the top eles playing fresh air in WTS…wait there are none.
Then why don’t you teach us noobs how to play a fresh air ele during a team fight witha d/p thief stalking you? make a video and show us your superior skills.

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that you have only seen a thief on a screenshot.
With that being said, yes, you can absolutely trait for “infinite” stealthiness BUT … and that is a huge but, your DPS turns to below average at best, your mobility is pretty lowered and most likely you are almost always running low on initiative. Now tell me, have you seen such thieves? Because I have reeeally hard time seeing such in conquest mode. If at all.

The only long term stealth a thief can get at the moment is shadow refuge, which is 15 sec, and the thief has to stay in a rather small circle for at least 2.5 seconds. The amount of thieves I’ve killed while they try to refuge on me is pretty high.

Sure there is the trick with D/P and smoke field leap combo but again, this really lowers your initiative and you leave yourself open to further attacks. Not to mention that if you fail to leap more than once, congratulations you just wasted kittenton of initiative for ~3 seconds of stealth, YAY!

If you stay within the smoke field, you can interrupt the thief, a noob thief will probably stab you and get Revealed. You can seriously kitten up a thief while revealed lasts. There is no trait to lower the revealed duration.

But ultimately its your choice. You choose berserker amulet. You DON’T GET TO wreck everyone. Infact, everyone is free to wreck you if you are bad at dodging. And thief is meant to obliterate you, especially the bursty build.

When this game launched I used to play ultra glass cannon warrior with hammer and GS and frenzy and bull’s charge and endure pain. Needless to say I was killing everyone. Guess what, people learned to counter that build. I advise you to do the same

Step #1) Make a thief
Step #2) Try to play all the metas
Step #3) Learn to counter it
?!?!?!
profit?

OMNIBUS.2913:

Ravenmoon.5318:

OMNIBUS.2913:

glorius.1235:

OMNIBUS.2913:

glorius.1235:

Quoting and replying to the comment that has some rightful salt in it due to listening to the continuous repeating of the same flat out wrong argument, instead of answering to the valid points others make doesn’t do you more good either.

Hypocrisy at its finest^ Plz elaborate whats wrong with any argument beyond just saying they are wrong. And who are you determine what rightful salt is? And why does rightful salt mean you don’t have to make any points and can call people bad?

It’s been explained several times even in this very thread how teleport skills the way they are functioning as of now are an absolute necessity for certain classes to survive.
If you don’t know what’s wrong with the argument that keeps tossing this quite important point away, you either:
A.) pretend you don’t understand it
B.) overlook it
C.) actually don’t get the point

None of the aboves mean that me or anyone else explaining it the X+1 times will make any significant results.

Rightful salt regarding listening to the same wrong argument again and again. Please, read what I wrote above.

I’ve made several points in my previous post. You are yet to nnullify them.

I’ve made several points too in which you have not responded to(hypocrisy!). Blink on mesmer is not only a way to survive but basically its gg vs anyone who also has no stealth, invuln or blocks becuase their AI keeps pummeling away. It needs to go… Plz tell me how do i fight mesmer that I can’t hit 80% of the time becuase he is either stealthed, blocking, invuln, blinked to some location i cant los, interuppted me or moa’s me(by the tiem all these things are done and recharging my ds is gone and im at low health cause my only option is to try to run away or die). All while the AI constantly hits me…… How does necro fight and beat this? Rhetorical question pretty much cause you cant beat what you cant hit but i’ll wait and see what you have to say.

Cleave only wrecks stealthed thieves btw^ mesmers can ranged. And death shroud can’t be compared to an invuln that negates everything. Ds drains which means you can reset the fight and come back after the life force is goign down or gone. And you can play ping pong ball on necro which has no access to its utilities in ds

1) Activate Lichform
2) Press #1
3) Press #1 again
4) Stomp
?
profit?

Maybe against noob mesmers. Good ones will do this.

Activate lich form… Mesmer teleports up stairs, stealths and runs away until lich is over and comes back to kill you with no elite. Or better yet Moa= gg lich.

And also I dont use lich form in pvp for the very reason of resets.

Sooo you are implying that you can’t bait mesmer to attack you at a spot of your choosing? Shame on you….

OMNIBUS.2913:

glorius.1235:

OMNIBUS.2913:

glorius.1235:

Quoting and replying to the comment that has some rightful salt in it due to listening to the continuous repeating of the same flat out wrong argument, instead of answering to the valid points others make doesn’t do you more good either.

Hypocrisy at its finest^ Plz elaborate whats wrong with any argument beyond just saying they are wrong. And who are you determine what rightful salt is? And why does rightful salt mean you don’t have to make any points and can call people bad?

It’s been explained several times even in this very thread how teleport skills the way they are functioning as of now are an absolute necessity for certain classes to survive.
If you don’t know what’s wrong with the argument that keeps tossing this quite important point away, you either:
A.) pretend you don’t understand it
B.) overlook it
C.) actually don’t get the point

None of the aboves mean that me or anyone else explaining it the X+1 times will make any significant results.

Rightful salt regarding listening to the same wrong argument again and again. Please, read what I wrote above.

I’ve made several points in my previous post. You are yet to nnullify them.

I’ve made several points too in which you have not responded to(hypocrisy!). Blink on mesmer is not only a way to survive but basically its gg vs anyone who also has no stealth, invuln or blocks becuase their AI keeps pummeling away. It needs to go… Plz tell me how do i fight mesmer that I can’t hit 80% of the time becuase he is either stealthed, blocking, invuln, blinked to some location i cant los, interuppted me or moa’s me(by the tiem all these things are done and recharging my ds is gone and im at low health cause my only option is to try to run away or die). All while the AI constantly hits me…… How does necro fight and beat this? Rhetorical question pretty much cause you cant beat what you cant hit but i’ll wait and see what you have to say.

Cleave only wrecks stealthed thieves btw^ mesmers can ranged. And death shroud can’t be compared to an invuln that negates everything. Ds drains which means you can reset the fight and come back after the life force is goign down or gone. And you can play ping pong ball on necro which has no access to its utilities in ds

1) Activate Lichform
2) Press #1
3) Press #1 again
4) Stomp
?
profit?

Sagat.3285:

Cynz.9437:

Shiyo.3578:

It’s weird how everyone thief experience in SPVP seems to be based on 1v1 and completely ignores the fact I said “team fights”.

focus thief in team fight, he will go down pretty fast

the class is just not ment for team fights…

*Conquest fights.

In any other mode the thief shines. WvW,TDM,SH,(forbidden duels) thief will do fine only conquest’s nature negatively affect thief in combat we are mainly here to travel in it.

Funny you say that. Everytime I get Courtyard i immediately switch from thief to hambow and i make thieves cry because of the hilarious amount of CC that spec has.

Supreme.3164:

Cynz.9437:

Shiyo.3578:

Thief shuts down or hugely pressures so many classes in group fights, and is the main reason so many builds are completely unviable in pvp.

shuts down many classes? like what? mesmers? so what? medi guards shut down thieves more~ besides mesmer still has good chance to nuke thief

as far as build go, i am pretty sure conquest itself is an issue…

the reason why thieves run zerker is because they don#t have a choice; could they run same faceroll crap like dd eles, they certanly would

shut down many class? like what?
-Like fresh air ele, zerker staff, any non cantrip build, any build with no enough sustain…EVERYTHING that it’s not d/d tanky spec

The reason why eles run celestial is because they don#t have a choice;could they run same faceroll crap like d/p or s/d thieves, they certainly would

Bullkitten. You are full of kitten mate. Fresh air ele can obliterate a thief if it sees it coming. If YOU fail to do so, then that’s YOUR issue. I can’t even count the times where a “fresh air” (whoever comes up with those names) 2-shot my thief, opening with a daze so I’m unable to shadowstep away and whatnot. Same for lichform necro. Do you see people moaning about it like you do? No. Instead, I disengage and stalk that ele, making sure I press Ctrl + T to have my teammates assist me whenever they can.

Sounds like a L2P issue to me, and its not limited to thief way of playing.

Newsflash, thief is meant to shred berserker amulet. What you hate is the stealth. No offense but you need to learn to play around that.

What’s next … berserker warriors too op because they can dps you for 6 seconds in god mode? Please …

The reason eles run D/D cele is because its the easiest build to play, period. Its pretty much good at everything. It has nothing to do with thief being on the map or not.

If you think I’m full of kitten, ask yourself … when there are no thieves on the enemy team, do you see elementalists and the rest of the classes you listed switching traits? No? Then there’s your answer.

Ey bro, do you even salt your random

I doubt its that easy. I usually play with my girlfriend together, are we considered premade or soloQ? What if we get a guildie but do not use voice comms, are we premade?

Yeah im quite jelly. Back in the headstart I was happy to have 30 silver at lvl 32, LOL. Those repair fees x.o

As the title says, where do Gw2 community websites get all their images from? Sites like metabattle seemingly have all the sigils, skills and traits as separate files. Where do they get them from? Is it direct rip-off from the client or there is some expanded fansite kit that allows you to get these?

ronpierce.2760:

Ravenmoon.5318:

And what if I’m trying to shadow step to a ranger on a higher ground in say legacy of foefire, that’s just sniping the s**** out of people? Would it be like the FoH keep camp spot? If so that would be quite lame. Having to go through all that distance just to catch a power camper …

Idk if that is bad news for thieves because I don’t generally play with those in mind with very few exceptions, I can’t be bothered to memorize all those glitchy spots but, having target and being unable to teleport to it has always felt unnatural to me. Even steal doesn’t get me on top of FoH keep spot. Maybe the maps are intended to be this way, to reward camp spots and whatnot.

So I’m just curious if it blocks shadow steps on a target as well.

Welcome to every other build. It was unusual for teleports to behave that way. The things you describe as “crudy” for having to take the long way to reach snipe spots are what normal people have to deal with. That’s part of how the map works.

It should be obvious standing in a certain spot and teleporting to another very specific spot on a ledge was not intended.

Is it weird to you when a thief shadowsteps to you on a flat surface? If the answer is no then it shouldn’t be weird to be reached on a campy spot.

This whole discussion reminds of Call of Duty and the lengths they had to go through to prevent everyone from going camper … pretty stupid. At least you have to go down now and get their dogtag. Which leaves you vulnerable to attack which you do not see from a mile away.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Is this like when they did the initiative change and everyone qqed about thief being ruined then the patch hit and thief was even more op that ever?

Thief needs to have much more counter play to it. It either perma evades or spikes out of nowhere for millions. Cant kite it, cant focus it, cant los it.

Is this happens it will help the game. I doubt it though, anet have kept thief as tier 1 for 3 yrs. No reason to suspect they will change it and if they did the qq would be so large thief wud be op quickly again soon. Nobody cares about necro sucking for most of thd game because all the necros eitber quit or rerolled. Thieves are a strong lobby group cos they been so op for so long. And most thieves wont like having their performance bought into line with their skill if they ever made it a balanced class

Millions? Maybe you should consider using something other than berserker amulet. Thief is designed to shred berserkers. And berserker engineers and mesmer prove difficult if they are controlled by good players.

Kinda wish thieves were able to steal a better skill from engineers. This goo makes no darn sense whatsoever …

Well given I generally expected a lot better players in ranked, I can only assume that majority of people think the same and given that your rank never resets, they don’t want to start off on the wrong foot. At least that’s how I felt. Thus the 400 games prior feeling at least average and not completely useless.

After that miserable launch I got my guildies and we made 5-6 wins in a row. 3 of those games were against other teams and we completely steamrolled them.

But yeah it took me 400 matches to feel comfortable to try for leaderboard.
Must say, I’ve seen better players in unranked. Granted its not all black and white, some people really do start in unranked and they are quite bad but you can’t really blame them. We’ve all been there.

And what if I’m trying to shadow step to a ranger on a higher ground in say legacy of foefire, that’s just sniping the s**** out of people? Would it be like the FoH keep camp spot? If so that would be quite lame. Having to go through all that distance just to catch a power camper …

Idk if that is bad news for thieves because I don’t generally play with those in mind with very few exceptions, I can’t be bothered to memorize all those glitchy spots but, having target and being unable to teleport to it has always felt unnatural to me. Even steal doesn’t get me on top of FoH keep spot. Maybe the maps are intended to be this way, to reward camp spots and whatnot.

So I’m just curious if it blocks shadow steps on a target as well.

I report those scrubs for LFG abuse Who afk that is

Hmm you probably are doing something wrong. How do you approach the ele and the ranger as an S/D. In 1on1 I win with relative ease. On the ele you just have to make sure you keep that kittener immobilized and chilled and make sure you steal his might stacks.

Ranger is easy IF you get close, and that’s a big if because good rangers have a way of dodging you well. Once you get close its candy time. Stun the rapid fire with your steal and/or cloaked attack (which dazes) or use that to prevent heal. If you want to be a complete kitten to the ranger, when they pop the invincibility signet, go into refuge and wait it out in safe xD

But yeah, those are super general tips. Can you give us some insight on your build, like traits, sigils, runes etc

P.S: Also, as a general rule, in sPvP, if a fight is going to take me more than 40 seconds to complete i’ll think twice if I am to keep fighting. Especially if im fighting off cap point, its better to disengage and support your team elsewhere.

Ultimately, you want to burst down low hp targets.

Also you CAN cloak whenever you want as S/D, its even cheaper. Use Cloak & Dagger and disengage, or whatever you are doing in stealth.

And above all, using your shadow step abilities cleanses you. 1 condi at a time.

Junkpile.7439:

This is like whining that players in football world cup have better football shoes than i have.

Watch it mate, Brazil might get ideas after what they endured on the last world cup

What really grinds my gears is that after 400 matches I finally felt confident enough to solo queue on ranked, just to see some teammate AFKing from the get go, another guy DCing and later on complaining that he’s a virtue bunker with a staff while fighting a premade team, probably with a voice comms because even though i roamed a lot trying to salvage the situation, my targets always were getting support and I was forced to disengage.

And then fighting a premade of 5 turret engineers. The amount of kitten they were dropping on capture points was unbelievable.

rant rant rant rant

But at least there was no Courtyard, Skyhammer or spirit watch…so at least that was nice!

P.S: Wonder if I should play lottery or such experiences are a common thing.

What damage are you talking about? Every warrior is either a shoutbow or a hambow nowadays, and they are both super defensive. My thief just rips them to shreds. Sometimes 2 at a time. They have the best ability for stealing

No, warriors do not decide matches. They used to. Now they are at the bottom of the barrel. I’d take double grenade pack engi or cele d/d ele over warrior without thinking twice about it. The other two can provide a lot more support.

Hell, If we are playing vs pug and i really want to troll the other team, i’d take turret engineer and ask him to tank close.

Guess I’ll have to make my own webapp, making it work offline is tricky though, still, it can be done. Now if only i had free time… xD

Nah, I mean to say that I build mobile apps and websites for a living and am aware of the time investment such app would require so I really wouldn’t bother to do it myself

Hey there guys.

I wonder if you’ve come across any mobile app or a responsive website that allows you to save your builds (traits, runes, amulets, weapons) etc from your mobile device.

I have to change my builds often sometimes and I really don’t want to bother with memorizing them all. I still make mistakes getting a good build twice trying to do it from memory.

Most of the build calculators I’ve seen online do not have mobile version and are not responsive.

I do this for a living but exporting all those traits and item skins and whatnot seems like hell of a lot of work to do, so I’m asking if someone already made a such.

The ability to work offline is a great boon as well.

I’m using iPhone 4S and iPad Air, both running iOS 8.1.3

Thank you in advance.

RoRo.8270:

grats good to see the underdogs win

Calling oRNG underdogs is quite the stretch my friend. They are one of the best teams in EU and they are trading blows with other great EU teams. The competition is stronger in EU and thus the players have better training field.

In every sport you need a good competition to constantly outdo yourself.

Half of them were at the previous WTS, so they’ve got the experience too.

I think its too early to make such bold statements. A lot can change until the next WTS. There might be no Abjured, or there might be some other team that wipes the floor with them. Same goes for EU, who’s to say that the level playfield won’t drop drastically in EU in the coming few months?

We are getting a new profession and mechanics too which is bound to shake the sPvP world in my opinion. Lets see how well players adapt.

World vs World or Structured PvP?

1v1/2v1 only flies in World vs World. In structured you’d be worthless regardless of profession with this mindset.

For WvW i would recommend D/D ele or Engineer. They are the current meta in WvW roaming.

More info here – http://metabattle.com/wiki/MetaBattle_Wiki

I don’t get it either, do rangers need to click 1 button to make a kill + stomp? Because currently it takes 2 to do that…

I just love going against shout and hambows with my thief. I wouldn’t have it any other way.

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