Guild Wars 2

There are both youtubers & streamers dont think they mind I linked for you:

Leeto https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR5dgN4_84PvAA3lThArgWg

Choxie https://www.youtube.com/user/Choxie808 & http://www.twitch.tv/choxie808/profile

Zombify http://www.twitch.tv/thezombify/profile & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3f9pLVY_zc (Team Sync)

Ascii http://www.twitch.tv/gw2ascii/profile

here is some of the ones I follow.

ps used to follow nemesis https://www.youtube.com/user/Iamoneandiamlegion

yea my Power Build is built around DS and LF (giving me Might,Vunerab) getting stab,ret and also gicing them Weakness,Bleeds so why should I suffer for being preperred.

Most Necs smack critters or “flip” Minions pre-fight

But hey next time tell a Thief he cant Steal for 20sec

Dont go full Zerker go PvT instead trust me on this. Same amount of Power and all that nice Vit+Tou. Against good Guilds if u do big fight in WvW/GvG a zerker geared person is dead before hand, a zerker Nec without a Stunbreaker as your build shows forget it.

You do more then enough dmg as PVT

Iam sry m8, but if u not trolling u dont know much about builds, Necs or the game itself and looking over your build I see u dont trait for any Condi removal, u dont use Well of power, or Plague Signet, or Offhand Dagger and u dont even use Consume as Heal. Iam sry but this OP tank-burst-Well build would be eaten alive by ANY decent Condi player out there

and dont come to me and say Putrid Mark is gonna save u… just laughing hard at this build and thread.

A blind man could see Axe #2 comming a mile away, nah Dagger all the way for me.

Maybe useing Signet Mastery since u have 2 Signets in use would be a better choice then Retaliation. I also see NO Healing Power in any Trinkets or Armor to say boost Deadly Invigoration. And also idk if HEaling Power boost Parasitic Contagion any ?

I like these Siphon/Attrition tests tho… for me never found any that I ran with longer then half a day

It ticked for 1280 yesterday and that still kitten hard so not that worried tbh

“Compared to the other tier 1 traits we have, its very lack luster even with high crit. Soul marks out shines this trait by far. Really do wish we had other LF generation options.”

We have great ones if u use Spectral Skills and even more so Combined with Spectral Attunement. Tho this is ofc mainly for a Power Specc ofc.

Also a Question : What do u think of the new Food from Season2 wich has 40% Cond.Duration + %chance to steal health on hit ? can it be a better option for Rare Pizza ?

Try something challenging, go Power…

First: OP u know very little about our class
Second: I give u that Condi Necro aint the best choice for PvE, however Community shouldnt diss a Power Specc Necro if they really knew the class.

Condi Engi will Never beat an equaly skilled Condi Necro, for 1 simple reason… Engi cant cleanse to keep up. Engi has together with Mesmer bad Condi cleansing all except u know this.

Condi Warriors as a Condi Necro I have no problems with either, avoid there fields and break Immob and he got nothing on you.

Condi Thief, well I grant u that Plex-Thieves are hard. Superior in any way my kitten , compare AoE for example.

“do us a favor and roll another class”…. do us a favor and give us the number to the guy u got those first class Mushrooms from.

NeXeD.3042:

Also I find theives easier with condi specs than power…

This is the nr1 solution to Counterring Thieves imho

#La Lame never more fitting a name. If ALL necro build was so xtremely OP how come we never see them in Tourney Teams that make it ? Shouldnt every hardcore tPvP team have 1 or even more of these in-vunerable beasts of a class ?

even the 1 specc I agree with u on is MM, wich is OP and tbh xtremely boring wich most longtime Necs actually shun and yet even MM is a rareity in tPvP teams that makes all the way. My suggestion is for you to actually make some valid points not just qq about a random person that just out-skilled you.

ps: lay of the Mushrooms

Anchoku.8142:

I do not understand how a necro can dislike conditions when it is responsible for a large part of our damage. A top player cannot afford to trim performance for philosophical reasons. Hybrid builds are optimized for dps at the expense of defense and CC. If you can win that way, do it.

I dislike Condi mostly cause its ALL i literally see when Iam out roaming around the Borders these days, yes I see and play Power-Well build with my Guild and when u face Good Guilds ( those guilds dont hide in EB btw hence my remark about EB) however off-hours so to speak when I solo or smallscale Condi is 9/10 players u face and its boring. soooooo Boring and so easy.

Iam looking for diffrent something that requires abit more finess and a challenge and I dont wanna play anything else then Nec. a pure power Nec has vey limited ways of surviving past 1st enemy while a Hybrid may actually take on few more.

This is my reason for post, we dont excell anymore at either of the 2 ways of dmg, and yes we at one time did. But maybe just maybe by combineing Condi + Power we can. Plz dont argue that Power Well Builds dominate WvW scene, ofc it does when u backed up by 15-25 allies but the 1 of u that argues that that same Wellomancer can fight Solo vs good roamers just dont play Nec.

Mainly Iam looking for some build maybe thats an update to Nemesis old Hybrid, and I absolutely dont wanna use Scepter… Dagger MH needs to stay.

I basicly looking for a good Counter to Condi Builds

In the Current Iam useing the Terror traits with Power armor and Str Runes with Condi Trinkets and its sofar excellent vs both Power and Condi targets.

Rave

DS > Dagger Axe even with VIII is behind also and this is important so much more un-reliable then Dagger.

Damaein.6413:

Skill doesn’t die in WvW.

Didnt say WvW said EB, read first.. post later

NeXeD.3042:

What….. bro do you even wvw? Condi for roaming builds and small havoc groups only. Power is more effective in wvw.

Yes I do only WvW and PvP since release, and in big Warbands its both Power and Condi builds, I know I run in a hardcore Guild have done so since release. In Zergs many run Power builds I just dont count that, its a skill-less, spamming concept that I do not count in. EB is were skill goes to die

Small scale, roaming, and ofc 1v1 situation 9/10 go Condi these days if u argue that u have not spent anytime in WvW lately. More constructive comments plz

flow.6043:

Ravezaar.4951:

After feature pack 9/10 players go Condi in WvW and sPvP

…and then really messed with Power builds due to Ferocity and even runes change.

I can’t say for sure about WvW, but in sPvP there’s currently a heavy power dominance accross most classes.
If anything the last patch buffed power builds with the runes and sigil changes.

Anyway, imo hybrid necros always had better potential than pure condi builds, but it was never meta and it probably never will. It’s just easier to max out your stats on either end, rather than to find a balance for both that works.

In WvW Condis dominate, specially among the classes I mentioned and I feel its more equal in sPvP but not imo that Power dominates maybe we just had diffrence experience there. I just feel now that its more viable for a Hybrid build. tnx for responses tho

Yea atm I go 6-4-0-0-4 taking the Fear-traits and still specking Power, also have Strength runes and yes it helps alot. Going for Reapers Might aswell in Spite, I miss Shrouded Removal but since I use Bothe Dagger offhand and Staff I feel I have enough cleanse anyway. Terror ticks for 850+ and u still hit hard.

After feature pack 9/10 players go Condi in WvW and sPvP and alot of the complaints here is that both Condi Mesmer,Engi,Warrior and Thief does it better even some say Ranger. I agree only with Engi and Mesmer however.

I dont like Condi cause imho its the easy/lazy way and requires far less skill then going Power but after the Patch that clearly buffed Condi (for a reason beyond me) and then really messed with Power builds due to Ferocity and even runes change. There are even better Consumables for Condi builds 70 CD + 40% duration well Power builds have nothing that even comes close to that, 10% dmg while moveing is closest but nah…

A Necro however compared to a Warrior has a really great way of going Hybrid build, Iv tampered with a build that gives me 2,2k Power (alot more with Bloodlust + guard stax) and around 900 Condi dmg. Building on Fear/Terror and using Signet of Spite for both Active & Passive benefits. So far Iam really wrecking all other Condi classes in this way and cant atm find a flaw, well other then our usual “cement feets” issue.

I always disliked Hybrid builds even from the old-time Necs on this forum cause they didnt excell in either dmg perspective but Iam beginning to change my mind now. So what do u guys think is Hybrid our best choice ? Can Necs maybe excell as a Hybrid Class now when all other goes Condi ?

sry for ramble, passion about this class is strong

Fun challenge of a Class that wanna make u tear your hair out and scream in frustration but somehow I always come back to it. Once a Nec always a Nec I´d say.

ps: Just dont choose it cause of Life Steal/Life Siphon then u be dissapointed m8

Dumbest thread ever, move on

Simple answer is: if there was anything OP about Necs we would see them in sPvP teams that go far in Tourneys.

He rolled easy-mode and reached his first ever hurdle

I run Solo Roaming in WvW everyday and duel in OS as Power Necro and can say my favourite Build is: 6-4-0-0-4

Its a Spectral Build with the “new Mights stacking”

I run VI,X,XII in Spite for might on LB and X,XII cause there is no substitute fo damage (I run Dagger Mainhand, if u like Axe maybe swap in Axe training)
I run IV and X in Curses love Weakness on DS when poped by a Thief or Warrior or even Shatter kittene
I run II and IV in Soul Reaping, u could swap in VIII here for more use of DS-pop-skills its just go by feeling tbh.

Utility skills I like most in this Build is Spectral Armor (9-10sec of prot),Spectral Walk and Flesh Wurm (need that Immob-break)

I run PvT + Zerk armor and same goes for All trinkets with ofc Zerk-Weapons & Strength Runes

D/F + S

To clarify for all those who dont read on this Forum(quite alot apperantly): I said Rangers dominate in stacking up Bleeds and fast NOT that they are the best Condi class

Have u looked at Krait Runes now and played Ranger, Ranger dominates Bleeds imo

I was thinking about listing out the traits and giving you my critique on them but that seems like something for another thread, I dont want to derail this so ill ask you a simple quetion.

If you were playing a Fear build and Master of Terror was a 2 point Trait instead of a 4 point, would you still invest 4 points into that line and if so what would you pick that would be better than even just the base atributes given by any other trait line let alone trait?

No I would most likey not since Soul Reaping Traitline is mostly for power Builds wich I play to 95% since Iam bored with the cheeze Condi builds running all over the game after Feature Pack. So if u build a Terror Build (wich is Condi) then I would stop at 2pts.

Still would argue Soul Reaping as our best put together traitline

I agree with Bhawb that say our Bleedstacking compare to a Ranger with Krait Runes is very weak, we are bad at most Condition stacking when it comes to speed it applies, we however are superior in the way we can “flip” them Deathly Swarm, Corrupt Boon, epidemic, Plague Signet aso. I Consider Necro still an ok Class when it comes to Condition all-in-all just not in applying.

I strongly disagree with CHIPS about Necro being the most boring Class to play and imho the only reason I still play the game or even visit this Forum is cause I love to play the Necro in good or bad times. Tought that were the case for most of us here tbh.

Necro only excells in 1part of this game atm and its WvW specially big Guild runs, when we run out with 25ppl we tend to have 4-6 Necs and our co-ordinated Well-Nuke kills more then anything else on the Battlefield its just a fact.

Well since I run Power Build I run Strenght Runes(very OP) since Feature pack and I have Sigil of Strenght in both my Staff and other Mainhand (Axe/Dagger like to swap) also have a Fire Sigil in Staff for xtra dps in offhand Focus (always Focus) I have the Classic Bloodlust. This combo plus going Reapers Might gives u constant high stax of might.

If u are Condi there are several good choices: Torment, Earth, Bursting Corruption, Doom well it goes on. But assumed seeing u run Wells + 6-2-0-0-6 u are Power.

You say “requires such an investment in a weak trait line” and tho I think FiG isnt worth it as a Grand Master, imho Soul Reaping is our most balanced and strong Traitline we have. The other issue I have with Minions is I really dont like to be depending on them, they ususally bugs out, die off to fast(cant be helped by Life Transfusion some).

Also both Vampiric Master and Training of the Master has bin nerfed in Feature Pack.. Death Nova is effective specially used with Bone Minions u dont wanna see the other minions die really. I like Powerbuilds however so keep them comming, dont wanna take the easy way out again and go Condi

Bhawb.7408:

Ravezaar.4951:

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Boons are not necessary for attrition, if anything condis are far more important (due to the existence of chill/poison and no equivalent boon). The issue is most builds cannot get a strong enough combination of reliable healing, LF generation, non-damaging condition uptime, consistent damage, and high defensive stats that are needed to be truly attrition.

MM manages this, some power builds manage this, and some game modes innately enable this (via deaths), but the lack of options for other builds really hampers things overall.

As I said we lack the tools for it and “the combination” or as I said spread over traits-line. I dont agree with Book argument with u tho but dont need to go further into that. We just isnt the Attrition Class that Anet makes us out to be. They really need look over the trait-lines, Life Siphon and Deathshroud Traits/Skills if they want us to be more in line there image.

I will say this for a Class aNet wants to survive on Attrition instead of “escape tools” we sure lack Boons. And without Boons there is very hard to be an Attrition class. We have tools to give us this some Regen, Minions, Ritual of Protection aso but they are all spread across in diffrent Traits with no possible of a pure “attrition build”.

Necro is the Class with least amount of self Boon and this just makes me wonder why Anet calls us the Attrition class. Add to that the in sPvP and WvW alike Necro is usually the enemies first Target to focus, if we were so hard to kill & had so high attrition then why is that the case ?

Fact is Anet the attrition u have given us sofar dosent come close to make up the fact that we lack escape tools, and every Mesmer,Thief,Warrior,Engi out there knows it.

I dont do PvE at all but still found that speaks volume (Kinda same situation Ranger is in for Hardcore WvW Guilds)

I play mostly WvW and then some sPvP played Necro since Beta and for along time when it comes to organized Guilds in WvW and even PvP ppl tend to focus a Necro down and I would like Utility that prevents just that. Enemies know we have DS and after Lifeforce runs out we are there for the taking.

We lack Teleport,Blink (like tha other Lt.Armor classes)
NO class in the game is more vunerable to Immobilize then Necro (2 outs Dark Path & Wurm) First requires DS to be avaible and other requires a Minion that just dont fit many builds.

A mesmer can stealth or Blink to loose or atleast confuse there hunter and a Ele has teleport, Mist Form and even RtL here is were we have DS but it just prolongs the fights it dosent get them off us or confuse them, get them to maybe pick another target. Only tool for that we have is Wurm (and it gets destroyed while useing) and to some degree Spectral Walk.

I would like an Utility like that, Iam not looking for stealth(giving us Fire was an utter fail imho) but what I want is a Utility Skill that confuses the chasers atleast for a few seconds, throw them off there track.

Rave

a Anet person responded in a WvW thread, Iam baffled most be the quartely visit

Ppl can say its lackluster but the fact is its the First thing I take in ANY Power Build. If u really heavy on LB specially with the new Might Stacking builds with Str-runes you wanna be able to keep the pressure up as long as possible and vp just do that. Tho I stay clear of Condi builds nowdays I always tend to use vp there aswell.

Vital Persistence (just try it out Condi or Power)

ps: dont tell aNet I liked it

Dire imho but u still need some decent Crit% for mainly Sigil Procs and 5pts into Curses (Bleed on Crit)

Hydromancy Sigil dont apply Chill nor Damage after latest patch, they simply dont work anymore. Tested new Sigil and re-slotted to diffrent Weapons same result.

Any1 else seen this ? useing a Chill-Build so its crucial for me.

Rave

Before week is up wanna say tnx to the Thief from TLA for duels, best Thief I fought since release. Was fun as heck & some decent smallscale thro week. GZ to s1 Deso not really a shocker.

Rave

I dont care tbh since I never use real Money for Gems but I would like to say aNet dont start travelling down this road of re-skins useing already existing stuff it only has one stop: LazyVille

A Thief that gets Signet of Spite from a good Necro put on him DIES, Dhummfire or not.
Thieves whine because of 1 simple fact: when they jump a Necro they expected a easy,slow-moveing target (wich tnx to Signet showing they new were a Nec). And when they jump on a Power Necro they will get there 9k Backstabs, if the Necro has some Life Force the Thief will just patienctly lower it by jumping in and out of stealth every 2-3s until no Life Force remains and the Best Dodge-Roll Nec in the World wont be a match for an AVERAGE Thief.

Now with Condi-Burst builds featuring Dhumfire,Bleeds,Terror(Always bin there btw) there precious Backstab Zerker builds is in for a World of pain when a Signet of Spite hits them and no-cleanse build that was so cool just seems so underpowered…

Even more fun is it when they jump on a Condi-Burst Nec who may have specced Reapers Protection aswell for that xtra 4ticks of Terror on a incomming CC-Skill, hurts dont it ? I know. I felt it for 12months as a Necro yet I still stayed on 2500Hours+

Go whine somewhere else, Iam all out of sympathy.

Example. Place the Wurm on a low bridge in WvW go under bridge, push button and u are on the bridge. nice Troll of the day trick

Argueing with a Thief isnt possible.

This is a Duel from this week:

I said “are we going with no stax but food”

Thief replied “yea thats the best way”

I hit a few Critters cause I had no Life Force empty since a previous fight.

Thief said “Come on dont stack Life Force Before duel”

I said “Life Force is our only save vs Backstab m8”

Thief said “you have to wait until the Duel start then get LF and spawn Golem”

I tought long and hard and wondered what mushroom this Thief had bin nibbling on, Golem fine dosent matter only need it for maybe 1 KD but 0%LF noway.

I finally said " Ok I wont stack LF if u dont use Steal"

I love when they come for me, Specially Thieves, Reapers Protection baby.

Looked like mostly Hybrid build, not something I like but still nice Vid.

Terror isnt OP and has bin ingame since start ( I have 1900 Condi-Dmg with 25stax + 5stax Guard.) I have Terror ticks for 1200 when other Conditions is on. (noway near 2k) Dhumfire is hitting for less then half of that. Together they hit hard no question, and u feel it if a Necro with 1900 Con-Dmg opens with Signet of Spite on you then Torment and Insta-Fear.

But here is the kicker Thieves: You want your traits,Speccs your Builds and DONT want to waste Minor Traits on Condi-Cleanse cause that interfer in your dmg-builds. Well its boring but its needed so plz dont come here and whine if u dont trait them.

No1 whined about a class like Necro Before Dhumfire but I can say from 1,5+ year playing this Class (beta tested) Condi-Necros could ALWAYS kill offensive Thieves with no problems at all, Dhumfire didnt change that and Terror was already there.

Specc right, whine less and remember as a stealth class YOU pock the kitten fights !!!

Rave

From Beneath it Devours[RIP] All Necro Guild based on WvW is recruiting, Necros. We welcome all Necro Speccs but are in need of Numbers. We are Hardcore WvW-players from FSP-server and we just wanna have fun playing the best class ingame.

If you are Necro and maybe want a Alt-Guild for WvW or wanna run with us a few Evenings/week pm me.

FSP-Server (Necro is a must)

Rave

Whisper me for Duels

Max out the duration on Terror ticks on Fear, Thats were our dmg lies. Dhumfire is just a Little xtra. but getting 3 ticks terror/fear yummy. And target is forced into movement and the effect of Torement kicks in.

Necromancer:
For the necromancer, we felt that a few traits and skills were too powerful, while others were lacking in efficacy. We brought down some of the raw DPS conditions that necromancer enjoys, while also maintaining their pressure and sustain elements. The necromancer’s mobility will remain where it is currently, as we want the Necromancers to be focused on sustaining themselves through death shroud, siphoning health, and slowing down their opponent’s ability to act.
•Mark of Blood. Removed 1 bleed in PvP only.
•Signet of Spite: Removed one bleed.
•Spite 15 – Death into Life. Increased conversion from 5% to 7%
•Spite X – Chill of Death. Increased trigger threshold from 25% to 50%.
•Curses IV – Weakening Shroud. Increase recharge from 15 to 25.
•Curses VIII – Banshee’s Wail. Increase cooldown reduction from 15% to 20%.
•Death 5 – Reanimator. Decreased cooldown from 30s to 15s.
•Death VIII – Reaper’s Protection. Decreased the cooldown from 90s to 60s.
•Death 25 – Deadly Strength. Increased conversion from 5% to 10%.
•Blood Magic 25 – Blood to Power. Decreased health threshold from 90% to 75%. Increase Power from 90 to 120.
•Soul Reaping II. Vital Persistence. Increased reduction of life force drain from 25% to 50%.

I love Chill of Death 25% to 50%, in my Power Build it takes 3k+ when it strips 3 Boons and its auto. Add to that Another Spinal Chivers on Focus and u stripped 6 Boons and done 6-7k+ dmg to a target.

Even better is for me the cooldown on Reapers Protection, in my Condi-Burst Build (30-20-20-0-0) that I use mainly I love when this procs our longest Fear whenever some Thief jumps you, well when anyone jumos u really.

Link to ALL preview notes: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Dec-10th-Balance-Preview

Rave