Guild Wars 2

When Anet does mass WvW internal testing they have 5 PvE devs face off vs 5 ppl from there concept-art team

@Sorel yes it can already be seen, when all me and my Guild does is WvW… we feared this change and its sadly bin all we feared and more.

WORST change ever, totally favors the bigger numbers, cant stop or slow down the Zergs now. Stab change ruined the game and I dont see any new Meta that will change this and hope for a re-roll…

FPS drops is insane with the patch

Sorel.4870:

Delcat.1245:

I just hope the devs are introducing this map because they play www know what the player base want and not some brain dead restarted no thinking map like eotm is .

If open field fights are not possible , I’ll leave , which is not an issue its 1 person , the guild I run will continue I hope , that’s only 60 people , this is also not an issue , the 10 other fighting guild on the server stop as well 600 people ,

servers empty not an issue for me ,

Thanks for the 2years plus I’ll be playing cu ,

I’m curious. I don’t know you, so your departure wouldn’t sadden me, but why exactly would you stop playing? Classic open field WvW will still be a thing in HoT. Nobody is forcing you to play on the new map.

Maybe read up on offical release info then, cause they are starting off with a rotation of the new Map and REMOVING Border maps even thats temporarily its a removal, so YES we are being forced to play new map or EB

SoulSin.5682:

Can’t say why zergingls are complaining about the new map.

Nothing will change!

Zerglings before new map: Following the commander tag.
Zerglings after new map: Following the commander tag.

See? Nothing changed.
Flawless.

can ppl like this stay in EotM and leave the WvW to us…plz

An EotM players, a Karma chaser that steps out into a Border Map is like a sheep among Wolves. We can spot him a mile away with his banner boons and his MF food dripping from his lips, he is nothing more then a walking lootbag for us, a person that got lost in the mist and wandered in thro the wrong portal…

These are apperantly the players Anet listen to when they create a new WvW map, one wonder when Anet desided to kill this concept of WvW ? before launch or right after when they saw “kitten this is takeing players away from our precious sPvP”.

Creating WvW content based on the opinon of a EotM-player is as stupid as designing a Fractal based on input from me (fractal lvl 1 btw)., nah most serious WvW players have long since left gw2 and the few of us remaining wanna drag it out until the release of the gem on the horizon…

just wished Anet listened to us for a change

Junkpile.7439:

Doesn’t really matter if couple hundred players hate map. Most of players don’t even want your lame blob guilds in same map.

EotM is were skill goes to die

I want open spaces to fight on, not NPC that cc and annoys me
I want open spaces to fight on, not small narrow walkways 2 men wide
I want open spaces to fight on, not Lava lakes that burns
I want open spaces to fight on, not gust of winds from a JP that knocks me down
I want open spaces to fight on, not a Developer listening to PvE players

I want open spaces to fight on, massive battles, Guilds clashing, a game I fell in love with, a concept that brought me from Warhammer and kept me here for 2,5y, a game concept I really cant get in any other decent MMO… when will u listen to us Anet ?

You doing WvW for everyone except the actual WvW players yet again.

Rave

I want my Border Map/s. Iam a WvW/PvP player and I dont want any fcng Karma train full of kitten PvE players in “my” WvW. This were suppose to be a rotation, Anet u killing us, killing us kitten

“The only one in a top team? No.
The best necro? Absolutely not.”

Its the only one Iv seen at any top team atleast and I watch for quite some time
Well I think Nos is best, certainly better then the forum warriors in here

Nos is the best Neco in sPvP and yes if u see to the whole Tourney scene he is also kinda the only 1 in the Top teams. Tha fact that he got trashed vs orange and the fact that he is a very lonely Necro on the scene is concerning. make off it what u will but Necro shine in WvW, suck in PvE and sPvP hmm

Why not go GS + D/D ?

Malediktus.3740:

I dont know anyone who left for CU pre-alpha.

no perhaps you arent part of what I mentioned above, and yea most WvW/RvR players are waiting for CU tho its far away yet, and still they left this game despite its the only WvW except ESO on offer… speak Volume about its condition in Gw2 atm dosent it ?

Tom Gore.4035:

Ravezaar.4951:

If EotM would be the future of WvW then the PvE’rs can have this bloody game. Us true RvR-players have our sight elsewhere anyway so this is just a stop on the Journey towards out goal, wich exist in another game…

Anet struck WvW on day 1 and it has slowly bin dying ever since

Rave

Are you talking about Camelot Unchained? I wouldn’t place too much trust upon that Messiah. Following it closely myself, but their resources are quite small and I feel they might not be able to pull it through.

Yea Camelot unchained and yea Iam a backer, so pretty close to it aswell, mostly ALL the big RvR/WvW Guilds from Gw2,DaoC,WaR have since long left this game and are now in the Alpha stage of CU, so I think its looking pretty darn good tbh. But yea we will see… atm tho Iam only playing Gw2 cause its 1 of only 2 MMO’s currently offering WvW/RvR. Anet long gave up on this if they even had an intrest in RvR at all…

In MJ we believe

Olli.9028:

funassistant.6589:

Hybrid.7059:

Some people here need to stop posting and help me build this arrow cart already. Ranged combat is super exciting amirite?

+1 for you.
lol my fav game is going be ruined soon.
In essence we’re all going to be champions, with Defiant stacks.

I’m just glad I had the opportunity to enjoy Gw2 when the WvW was still amazing.

When silver league was full of guilds and we lived in a no queue no siege warfare paradise. (In EU)

so true

looking forward to CU

yea cant wait until CU is out, Devs that care for the game-mode

This change will kill WvW but its what Anet always wanted, now they can get rid of that element and of us….

If EotM would be the future of WvW then the PvE’rs can have this bloody game. Us true RvR-players have our sight elsewhere anyway so this is just a stop on the Journey towards out goal, wich exist in another game…

Anet struck WvW on day 1 and it has slowly bin dying ever since

Rave

Iam hopeing for a grim looking Staff for my Necro, the white marbor staff that farts rainbows dosent really scream Necro. And I dont like any other leg. weapons for my Nec either currently

Yea Iam not gonna read all that, tho I will just say again: I didnt say Power was better then Condi in fact there is a reason u see 8/10ppl play Condi on Necro however LF gain and DS is far better in power Builds. And Condi is much easier to play due to it requires far less effort then power and that applies to ALL classes, Iam sticking by that and will still doubt the sincerity of those who disagree with last part.

Back to thread now: very good way then for both Condi and Power to gain LF vs THief is Soul Marks, my tip.

Cogbyrn.7283:

Saying that condis “do the work for you” when they’re applied is like some Life Blast does the work for you when it hits. You can dodge condi application just like you can dodge direct damage application, and the fact that people still don’t recognize that literally blows my mind.

Disagree with everything there except the dodge but ppl that dont see the diffrence in effort u put in towards dmg between Condi & Power just “blows my mind”

zapv.8051:

Ravezaar.4951:

Aslo there more skiledl the Thief are the more skilled you have to be and imho that meens u need to go Power. Power Necro has a wayyyy higher skill-cap then a Condi Necro (specially those that rely on SoS). A Thief will rarely drain a good power Necs Lifeforce but you need to be more on your toes in the fight, cant sit back and watch your Condis tick.. you need to pressure him back. I love that.

If a Necro is specced into Shadow Arts your Condi Build will be vastly less effective and if u dont time your Fear bursts correctly they can dance around you for along time waiting for a perfect opportunity, they cant do that when your LB hits for 6k.

I don’t know where your getting this idea that power necros are harder to play. I also don’t understand why you think a thief won’t be able to whittle down your life force, or why 6k life blasts change this fight at all. Care to explain your statements, or are you just going to make claims without logic or evidence.

I get this from 5000+ hours on playing Necro, and Condi Necro is easy to play compared to Power Necro, so easy. First u have the fact that Condis once applied do the job for you were as Power requires that u actually hit to do dmg… that alone is a big diffrence.(goes for ALL classes).

And yes a Thief can whittle down even a Power Necros LF but it takes longer since “spectral” skills are much more common used in Power Builds then in Condi builds. Power builds rely much much more on LF and therefor have a clear tendency to actually build LF better, should I go on ?

As for the Life Blast well that dmg in was u get vs Thieves, add to that the much higher dmg u get from skills such as Life Transfer, end tick of Sh.Tentacles and ofc the passive Chill of Death trait that a Condi Necro just cant even come close to, these things kill Thieves even in stealth. Were u as Condi Necro say vs a Thief specced heavily into Shadow Arts when he under condi-pressure just goes into stealth and cleanse…

Condi is the easy choice for Necro and requires far less effort, not really hard to admit.

Aslo there more skiledl the Thief are the more skilled you have to be and imho that meens u need to go Power. Power Necro has a wayyyy higher skill-cap then a Condi Necro (specially those that rely on SoS). A Thief will rarely drain a good power Necs Lifeforce but you need to be more on your toes in the fight, cant sit back and watch your Condis tick.. you need to pressure him back. I love that.

If a Necro is specced into Shadow Arts your Condi Build will be vastly less effective and if u dont time your Fear bursts correctly they can dance around you for along time waiting for a perfect opportunity, they cant do that when your LB hits for 6k.

If u can deal with the “range” issue Dagger mainhand is far superior to Axe:

you have a better AA that gives more LF and higher dmg and Cleave

you have a channeled ability that does less dmg but heals you for 3k+ and most important DOSENT get interupted by the slighest breeze

you got a 4sec+ Immob that does kitten good dmg aswell

Since no1 in there right mind takes Axe Training over Chill of Death there even less point in takeing Axe, as I said its a “range” -issue to get over. I think Dagger/Dagger is our best set.

#Cynz yea the problem is with Telia a swedish Company but they wont do anything about it so NcSoft/Anet have to find a solution elsewhere (they must know it about know) question is will they ? when most if not all there focus lay with the expansion I doubt this is even looked into. They responded sometime back but then dead quiet again and that more then anything is kittening ppl off. Why should we buy an Expansion when we cant even enjoy the game atm ?

so we have to specc into our New Sub-Class to get the Greatsword and the traits and skills that comes with it we CANT just take the Greatsword without speccing into the new Sub-Class.

http://www.pcgamer.com/guild-wars-2-heart-of-thorns-interview/#page-2

However as the new Sub-Class we can still take traits and skills used as Necromancer, this will ofc limit the option quite abit. And I wonder what weapons we may “loose” if we Specc into Sub-Class for the gain of Greatsword, cause I was looking for Staff/GS Build and hopefully maybe getting a Trait that in some way boost TwoHanded Weapons wich so many other classes have. Maybe a Specc that triumphs the cheeze Condi Builds…just maybe.

Hope I still can Build like that,…. ps: kitten this gets me excited like a kid on xmas

Rave

The 3 big WvW/RvR MMO’s is DaoC,WaR and Gw2 and yea its improved both in gameplay and map-quality (tho EotM was a setback) and well atm Iam just getting Expansion to stretch out the time to Camelot Unchained tbh.

ESO WvW may have a good concept however with the worst UI ever seen in a MMO it wont help.

Raeysa Penrose.8450:

In response to a lot of the hatred towards EotM and its karma trains, I’d just like to point out that not everyone in the game is rolling in karma, and now that most of the PvE trains have been stomped out of existence, we’re left looking for a new place to farm it. EotM happens to be the best place at this point—that is, when OG isn’t spawn camping and aggressively hunting down every train that shows its face.

Yea its fine as a Karma Map or Exp farm, what we are saying is that is does NOTHING as a WvW Map wich was its Original design and how they launch it “Our new WvW Map EotM” no1 cares about the supply it gives to Home Bl, its just a PvE or Farm Map detached from WvW. It fills it function for other stuff, most WvW players however dosent want a promise of a New WvW-Map to end with the same result… this u must understand.

I check here verey other day for some news about a solution so I can comeback to Gw2 but the info is almost non-existing….

Andrew Clear.1750:

Ravezaar.4951:

by the time this Expansion is out Camelot Unchained would be moveing towards Beta and imho WvW will die in Gw2.

I have heard this several times on forums, and in game, about WvW dying because of X and X game (ie, Wildstar, Arche Age, ESO), and quite honestly, ArcheAge seems to have been the only game to actually really affect WvW. Mostly, people just stop playing GW2 over time, like any other mmo, and that is what is affecting WvW.

Assuming that Camelot Unchained is going to kill anything is assuming that it is a great game. Right now, no one knows if it is going to be good or bad. Too soon to call.

According to an old Anet Dev around 1/10 of the WvW population remains and I dont think many will return to WvW just for a new Map. Spez and Class changes will bring back more tbh. And yea we cant say how CU turns out but most I played with in DaoC and WaR are waiting for just that game and alot have already left despite nno othe option really is out there, says ALOT.

Of the games u mentioned above only ESO has real WvW but UI,SuB and well other stuff failed that game hard. I may be wrong and its not like CU is out anytime soon but yea it will be final nail in the gw2 WvW coffin, of that I have no doubt.

When a Thief ask me to start with no LF in a Duel, I tell him sure if u dont Steal in first 10sec…

@svarty yes exactly my point

And its sad when ppl defend EotM as a succesful WvW Map

Druid Spez as Ranger makes sense, Ranger is close to nature I guess then Maybe Necromancer gets stuff and Spaz in the Death-Underworld region:

A Vampiric Life Siphon Spez that actually works with maybe some improvements to our Signet could be one way.

Another Spez focuseing on our Death Shroud mechanic would also make sense.

Maybe some spez into Minions or powers to raise the dead. All in all this is the thing Iam most intrested in and tbh its the only thing that make wanna buy the expansion.

EotM is NOT a good Map design at all when it comes to WvW content, its made for exp and Karma gain and and Badges bonuses. When someone says its a good Map turned bad by players I ponder if that player know what WvW is ?

Its a map that reward takeing over points instead of defending them, it rewards ppl to avoid each other instead of actually fighting and make no mistake players will take advantage of it but the Map promotes it in the first place. Then other then Supply it has NOTHING to do with the current WvW Match-Up wich also detach it from the WvW aspect. There is a reason PvE-players and Frostgorge-Sound/Orr Karma farmers took over the EotM after less then 2 weeks….

I just hope the new Map dosent suffer the same faith

Baseing it on a NPC meens nothing tbh

I do guess GS for Necs will work more likely Mesmer as range specially AA, doubt it will be Melee but yea looking into GS Skins now

There will most likely be something for both Condi and Power as they described the Revenant for ex. But imho Power Necro needs ALOT more love then Condi.

Rewards for killing other Guilds/Players were are those ? Rewards in WvW that even come close to matching those u get in PvE were are those ? More Siege just meens more kittening AC’s and thats NOT fighting,Skill or any tactic its just kitten.

So much is now hanging on 1 Map, 1 Map after 3y ?

I will reserve my judgement somewhat but as you see what I staited above as WvW-Players its bin 2,5y of hopeing rather then actually gettin some love. and if u say EotM turned out they u planned I loose all hope. Its NOT a WvW Map. Dont get me wrong i love new class,new weapons, new traits and even some Exploring I guess but for pure WvW I saw what I saw and more I heard Colin.

Iam also not hearing the “masteries” actually extending into WvW so even that sounds only for PvE based players ? so what we get is Traits,1 Class,Weapons and a Map that will most likely be awesome and very detailed I just have 2 concerns: Is it actually gonna be for us or is it another EotM and/or is it gonna be a beacon leaving the other 4 Maps desolated.

Still getting expansion since over 2,5y I have a skin of STEEl

tnx for response tho Devon

so what we got a New WvW Border that we most likely hand over to the Karma train PvE-players after we spent a week or two Exploring it like we did with EotM. Siege get even more focus when u get more ppt to hold Towers,Keeps longer and the new Map incorporates PvE content to gain an advantage in the Border.

So all we WvW players that want to ACTUALLY kittening fight out enemies instead of running around doing PvE crap in a WvW Map we get what ? No Bounty System, no Warband UI, no more play on rewarding actual fights.

Map looks intresting but all I see is a EotM v2. and tbh we have a ok WvW-player base atm tho NOT what it once was and by the time this Expansion is out Camelot Unchained would be moveing towards Beta and imho WvW will die in Gw2.

Removal of Orbs – Ruins instead of Lakes – EotM – OS …..wow Anet WvW gets so much love over 2.5y

Everyone is keeping an eye on PAX South reveal but Iam here, this is were I go for my hype, my fix so Anet when do u reveal a fix for the ones that actually payed for your first Box ?

They are not weak in WvW or really sPvP just that they are ALWAYS first to be targeted by other classes (and NO its not cause we are always biggest threat) its simple put cause everyone that knows this game, knows a Necro is the 1 class that cant disengage from a fight, he is not a sittind duck howver but he cant get away.

This is the nr1 reason ( and PvE I dont ever do so it dosent bother me)

Id say GZ to Thieves and well Necro we got….. whatever

NO effort to make WvW better, NO solution for EU-lag/Disconnects, NO expansion purchase

Yes Iam not seeing this solved anytime soon tbh, after that info I got wich wasnt hard to get either. Iam also gonna talk with Telia International.

since Iam from sweden I talked to Telia now several times and they say: “at 8pm Local Time GMT we trottle our servers so support our Customers with the best possible way to get our services such as mainly Netflix” they also said “since we have no obligation towards Anet or NcSoft its on there side to send packages elsewhere if issues happen”

Not sure exactly what do to with this Info but since ALOT of us have package loss at around that time (start of EU Primetime) and several of us have the loss on (telia.net [62.115.43.74]) it seems relivant.

Not to good with this stuff but I tought I share my talks wiith them atleast, tnx

Its hopefully atleast not set in stone, and as Power Nec I rely heavy on Spinal Shivers trait and this -50% dmg is hard to take even if they make it AoE

Didnt see it here yet so I will link it:

http://pastebin.com/2bk8bnHx

Fear is getting nerfed into the ground both on Skills and Runes

actually cant find a single Buff, but these are leaked so yea idk.

I left the game in November due to this, and I see its still not fixed. Epic Anet, just Epic.

Good anti-thief ? Just go Condi, issue solved

I never Specc without 10pts into SR either in Condi or Power Builds and considering both your GrandMaster traits rely on some degree of Life Force I really dont like it here either, OP.