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@Crinn

Its fine we wont agree so I just leave it at that.

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A Thief dictates every fight, he choose when to engage and when to withdraw or even if he wants to engage at all thats not gonna change. What changes imo is they cant stick to us in the same way with Scourge. I go by the skills tooltips, my experience and the tons of duels I had, ppl will have diffrent experience of this and ofc Thieves will adapt aswell. But currents Necros dies to Thieves at their will ,

I saw something diffrent that Beta weekend. Thats all I can say.

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yea agree with you there to, its for sure a learning curve, hell we had 1 weekend only to phase all these new Elite Speccs and to learn our own. Thieves will still be an issue for us I have no doubt in that, but during the weekend wrecked them left & right and I think a good Thief later on (as my Guildie said) will try to avoid the Shade and just go for or wait out the Scourge himself.

Spellbreakers Counter skill when traited is really devastating tho, sending back all those Condis we applied to them. An unprepared Scourge is in for a suprise, This i feel is gonna be our worst counter in Melee. How to deal with Long Ranged targets I have yet to figure out, beyond LoS.

still cant wait to 22nd

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Id say u are pretty alone in this. Most includeing myself think Scourge is very strong in sPvP. As it currently stand Necro/Reaper is a team-class, Scourge has the possibilty to be both team-class, Solo or just pure point-denial.

I tho hope it dosent get nerfed mainly due to the fact it lacks any real defence, and after testing 20+ hours I cant see barrier ever, and I do meen ever compete with shroud.

In raw dps output it matches Condi Reaper/Necro, but in 2 ways it differs: it outshines Reaper in Boonstrip and AoE-dps output.

The only good boonrip on Scourge is Path of Corruption.

Scourge dies to meta thief faster than reaper does, Scourge is even more vulnerable to ranged attackers than reaper is.

It isn’t even that good against melee. I was easily able to 1v1 scourges during the beta weekend, using both GS reaper, and dagger/GS spellbreaker.

Iam sry but NO it has good Boonstrip/Convert on all of its punishment skills and Elite aswell as the F2 (wich is 4sec cd, thats insanely good). By far best Boonstrip of any Necro, of any class maybe only beaten by Spellbreaker.

Scourge is much easier to deal with meta Thief, I duelled several Guild Thieves ans Spellbreakers in that Weekend and Thieves who usually wait out Shroud, had alot more issues with Shades. Scourge is strong vs Melee classes, really strong. As long as they linger near a Shade they die, period.

Range dps there I fully agree with you, its Scourge weakness. Barrier cant mitigate well enough to counter a LB Ranger for ex.

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As far as sPvP is concerned, Scourge was underpowered during the beta weekend, and if it’s nerfed it’ll be completely pointless.

Seems the devs only want necromancers to play WvW.

Id say u are pretty alone in this. Most includeing myself think Scourge is very strong in sPvP. As it currently stand Necro/Reaper is a team-class, Scourge has the possibilty to be both team-class, Solo or just pure point-denial.

I tho hope it dosent get nerfed mainly due to the fact it lacks any real defence, and after testing 20+ hours I cant see barrier ever, and I do meen ever compete with shroud.

In raw dps output it matches Condi Reaper/Necro, but in 2 ways it differs: it outshines Reaper in Boonstrip and AoE-dps output.

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Spellbreaker will dominate WvW Meta (u just wait and see) the Boon denial is gonna mess up alot of plays that are currently used.

As things stand spellbreaker going to get in the way more then help. Boon strip makes scorges crouption for there own team. You can say the same for mez strip. In a way scorges is a better spellbreaker then the spellbreaker.

NO just NO, but we both will have proof soon. Also conversion and complete denial is 2 very diffrent things.

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My biggest worry about Scourge we have no way to deal with range dps focusing us, and Barrier isnt gonna mitigate much of that, not compared to what shroud could.

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So fellow Necros how do u think Scourge will be come 22nd ? In WvW and PvP Forums ppl have made idk 20+ OP Threads about the class based on 1 Beta weekend and seems on most twitch streams the general opinon is that its so OP its gamebreaking.

Already rumored on reddit that its bin nerfed behind the scenes with ICD,Duration times aso. This is always hard to okittennow as facts and it seems Anet isnt realeasing Patch Updates Notes before release this time around wich really annoys me.

So how bad of a hit will we take ? cause even if AoE condi output is high and boonstrip is strong, defence is below parand we got no skills we lacked in that regard like Invun,Block,Reflect aso.

What do u guys think ? Fells imo we always gets nerfed around big releases,Reaper was hit hard after HoT Beta.

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Anet can we maybe fix or remove Thief from the game ? It kills me alot so I tought I come here and whine about things that bother me ingame.

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Anet please nerf the hell out of scourge corruption or your killing any type of pvp game play and adding in a friendly fire system though you boons.

Scourge is Necros retribution for all the infractions and whiny posts.
All is vain

#fixeditforya

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Spellbreaker will dominate WvW Meta (u just wait and see) the Boon denial is gonna mess up alot of plays that are currently used.

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You complain about condi necros, but you are fine with warriors with their immunity, stabi, blocks, heals? Or with druid troll builds that are almost immortal?
All ppl seems to hate necros. But our time will come (soon!)

Its always bin like that, they want a punching bag that dosent fight back. Go for Necro hes a safe kill. Whn the Necro wins 1/10 fights they call for Nerf. Usually its just a poor player or a l2p issue

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plz fix Condi Thief its BROKEN

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Anet will u have the New build in this stress test ? Since clearly last time u said u had an old Build where balance had happened that wasnt in this build, will we have an updated version this time ? If ppl are dissapointed there class bin guted or not altered. For some of us the Elite Spez is all we care about in regards to the Expac (yes we do exist).

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We learn nothing about Scourge in this video.

In the first “fight”, the enemy are;

  1. in a choke
  2. smaller than you
  3. disorganised, with many not on tag
  4. make a poor decision to glide nearby
  5. only half of the enemy do so
  6. the ones who glided are wiped first and then the other half of the enemies

In the second fight;

  1. You steamroll a small group with a larger one. Nothing to see here.

In the third fight;

  1. same as second fight

In the fourth fight;

  1. The enemy begin in a good tight ball
  2. but it goes wrong straight away when they are pushed
  3. people run in all directions
  4. wipefest

I stopped watching here.

You are simply bigger and better organised than your awful opponents. You would have won these fights with a normal zerg.

Exactly, but they just dont wanna see that

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Most pathetic thread about scared players that cry for nerf rather then look for a counter, and the Elite isnt even out yet, lmao

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@Hana u are so dead wrong on numbers its not even close to whats happening. Take the Vid link for ex. Those players are amking more mistakes in 30sec then I done in 5y playing the game. Barrier 14k constant vs who ? Are u playing with Gods vs complete kittens 24/7 then or what ? get a clue before posting on the Forums.

And u think the Scourge Boonstrip/convert is the issue why none has boons ? Maybe take a look at Spellbreaker and come here again. Players like you tires me out.

But dont worry cause Anet listen to your ppl crying hence why Nec always gets nerfed to unplayable lvls see no diffrence now.

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Is shroud really that good?

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Imho Idk if Shroud is a good mechanic or not, all I can say its far superior defensive tool then Barrier and come Sep 22nd we will found out that the hard way.

Shroud was our Invun,Reflect,Resist,Block all rolled up in one mechanic and barrier is gone in 1 deadeye’s AA…lmao

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Move out of the Shade and l2p. Spellbreaker will impact WvW far more then Scourge dmg with there anti-boon bubble. This thread is made up by post from ppl that have no clue standing still in a Shade during Beta weekend.

yes the Scourge offense ouput is high, not so much ST but AoE for sure, however it lacks any defense… Barrier is NOTHING compared to Shroud, and it still lack all the tools every necro type lacks: Invun,Block,Reflect,Resist and now u expect us to negate ALL incomming dmg by just using barrier ? and u still want to nerf Scourge dmg cause u forgot to move out of the kitten Shade ?

The Shade does twice the dmg then the Actual Scourge does, maybe get a clue and bait him out ? After a few days to a week somewhat skilled players will figure that out plus the fact that Scourge cant mitigate ANY DMG AT ALL from range.

A good player will figure out counters, a bad cry-baby comes here and whines

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DONT stand in the shades, take Scourge down easy from range and most of all STOP CRYING. When ppl actually learns the New Elites very few of them will be as strong as same ppl are crying about now, for instance do OP know that standing in the shade is actually more dmg then standing near the Scourge itself ? seriously doubt any non-Necro have even bothered at this point to learn howto fight it, they just go onto Forums and CRY cause for first time in 5y they cant ROLL OVER a Necro.

The dmg of Scourge is high – yes but the defence of Scourge is by far the weakest of any Necro variant, use that instead. And Scourge lacks what ALL Necs do any real way to deal with range. If u wanna go hand to hand in Melee vs a Scourge, bait out the Shade/s and l2p instead of sounding like a wimpy kid.

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Stress test tonight with elite specs!

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Same build as Beta weekend, with no fixes at all.

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Heard it was only in PvE (the Oasis) ? Maybe that Includes WvW but I doubt it.

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I never do PvE so that dosent bother me but being part of this Forum for 5y I can see PvE’rs have also suffered. And I also said several post above I belive a nerf will come. I dont think they touch Dhuumfire the Trait since it effects all other traitlines, Core and Reaper aso…

so most likely thet way it effects our F-Skills (F5 specially) will be reworked somehow,

Thats just how I think Anet will do it, doubt they can increase cd on F5 since we rely on that for alot of other traits NOT just Dhuumfire. how they will balance or re-work this will be intresting. I kinda hope they leave it but seriously doubt they will….

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I hope u are right, we will see in less then a month, but if u think Scourge isnt going to be nerfed then I wonder if u really tried it.

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My only hope is they touch Dhuumfire and how it works on the F-Skills and NOT the actual F-Skills but nerfed or “altered” it will be.

So, you are hoping for dhuumfire to be completely useless for scourge?

You do realize that removing the dhuumfire functionality from F2-F5 means that we have a GRANDMASTER trait that gives 1 burn every 15 seconds, right?

That’s supremely bad.

Dhuumfire isn’t the problem, it’s one of the few things making us PVE viable.

Well I really dont think Dhuumfire is suppose to taick 7x on F5 , do u ?

We see what Anet does but I have a strong feeling that they will nerf Scourge condi output, and not the AoE cause they talked it up as having battlefield control.

And I really really hope they dont adjust the F-skills cd’s so then what is left ? either the Burns or Torment

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Yea this is an issue, cause I believe Scourge,Firebrand,Spellbreaker and Holosmith will be nerfed pre-release and I also think Deadeye wont. And there is my biggest concern cause Deadeye wrecks Scourge, its not even a contest and tho deadeye may be worse then Daredevil for.ex when it comes to taking out Scourge it does so without breaking a sweat…

this really concerns me

I’m actually exceptionally happy that this counter exists.

If Scourge didnt have Deadeye in the picture to keep them in check, it could get extremely messy.

I hope the keep Scourge as potent as it currently is, while maintaing deadeye and power longbow ranger as its natural counter.

So when Scourge gets nerfed to the same sad state as the rest of the Necro options are t u then still happy Deadeye and Ranger counters us ? Cause I can tell you Scourge WONT look the same 22/9, there is noway that will happen. My only hope is they touch Dhuumfire and how it works on the F-Skills and NOT the actual F-Skills but nerfed or “altered” it will be.

we have bin “altered” for 5y now. I saw something in Scourge that made me hope we could climb a few steps on the ladder, but Il bet anything Anet find a way before release or soon after to kick the ladder away from underneath us…

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Yea this is an issue, cause I believe Scourge,Firebrand,Spellbreaker and Holosmith will be nerfed pre-release and I also think Deadeye wont. And there is my biggest concern cause Deadeye wrecks Scourge, its not even a contest and tho deadeye may be worse then Daredevil for.ex when it comes to taking out Scourge it does so without breaking a sweat…

this really concerns me

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Why people are so hostile towards necro

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Necro has a ridiculously strong condi burst.. a near one-shot kill. I’ll target a necro before almost anything else. ( Though, p/p thieves are really annoying too . )

tbh you DONT target a Necro cause of the burst it can do, you and everyone else & there mother targets the Necro cause you KNOW he has no disengage.

tell the fncg truth for once

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dont try and speak the truth on this Forum, will never work

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Not my idea of Scourge, wich I think is more best defence is a good offence kinda style. Putting condi AoE pressure like no other, but still enjoyed the Vid and nice to see what u can do with support in case of pumping out barrier like that.

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Had no troubble at all after some practice to have 3 shades up, wont run big shade in PvP nor WvW to kitten my dmg and area control. Also manifest the shades is one of the Scourges few ways to deal with range dps, using the big shades gimps that alot.

I don’t think having all 3 shades at once is the best way to play. Imo you should have 1 in reserve most of the time. Summoning all 3 on cd wasn’t more effective from my humble experience, most of the time. Ofc I might be wrong in the end, need a lot more practice.

It depends what u are fighting imho, if u are being attacked in Melee having them all up is nice to get that area control and 15% inc dmg reduction, but vs Range dps as I said i use them to place on the target as he moves around, kinda like a Staff Mark. Vs range I dont wast them.

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Had no troubble at all after some practice to have 3 shades up, wont run big shade in PvP nor WvW to kitten my dmg and area control. Also manifest the shades is one of the Scourges few ways to deal with range dps, using the big shades gimps that alot.

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New Elite is an punishment skill aswell so it synergises with the Sadistic Trait hence why atm I prefer it as my Elite. CD-reducton and the xtra burn is nice.

CttB is still my fav for the class, multi use

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The Scourge is really strong when player linger near him for to long, blow there cleanse at wrong time aso.. Its absolutely crap at range, its by far the worst necro Specc to deal with range dps. Core Necro had Deathshroud to deal with range, Reaper had both Chill-a-plenty and leap, pull on weapon (how shiite it may be) Scourge has placement of Shades and atm a disabled 900 r Portal (still dosent reach).

Scourge AoE condi dps is far greater then Core or Reaper, I said “AoE” -dps and its that fact Anet ment when they talked about battlefield control in the announcment. But iv still seen DH,Deadeye’s and LB Rangers dance around me this weekend and when they focus you from 1200+ your barrier aint doing shiite.

Nerf just a little to much and this Elite is dead, its skillbased, no-shroud Necro with a best defence is a good offence mentality.

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Some ppl will use the Big Shade some ppl (like me) use the 3 normal Shades, I think it comes down to the situation, game-mode (maybe) and your individual preference and evn practice with the mechanic itself.

We see more on Live, but I think this always gonna be down to personal choice & situational.

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Well he is correct in that Scourge needs higher dps output or pressure to make up for the almost complete lack of defences, not just what he listed but also the fact that we now gave up Shroud. As I said it needs some tweaking but dps needs to be higher then Core & Reaper due to not having ANY defence, barrier as defence is a JOKE compare to Death – & Reapershroud.

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yea its a strong Elite Spez as it stands now (our first strong ever) needs to be adjusted slightly, they need to be careful with that tho. Spellbreaker,Firebrand, Holosmith is also up there in being to strong. Renegade needs some adjusted/rework in the other direction.

we see what happens

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and you think this dmg in wvw and pvp is right?

common the burning and torment trait and abilities need to be tune down

its not dhumm op rather the Demonic Lore its need 33% proc burning or cd of 5 sec.

I agree it needs to be maybe tuned down abit but its a hard thing to tweak, cause to much and we are a crap Nec class again like 5y previous. the Scourge has no real Shroud, our new defence is our offence, take to much away from that and it crumbles. Also in the Vid I didnt see any range dps taking on the Scourge froma distance, that would have made a huge diffrence i can tell you.

Alot of the New Elites need balance tho, worst is Renegade imo so bad it may need a complete rework.

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yea Spellbreaker imho is the Strongest of the New Elites, and if u not prepared the specced “counter” -skill can really hurt u, also there Balance stance with pulsating Resist together with there new Uber-Heal.

Range dps like Ranger,DH,Deadeye can shut us down hard… placement of Shades + future gap-closer in portal is crucial . Scourge is strong in melee tho, even without a “Shroud” as old, its imo by far strongest Necro variant in close quartes just due to the pressure we now have.

and to clarify not saying we should Melee old foes but a target that stays on Scourge to long is not gonna make it, with the exception of Spellbreaker.

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I agree with more or less everything here, doing alot of duels and solo roaming myself. Still vs some range dps we are having a harder time with no real gap closers… tho was easier first evening when Sand Swell was working, porting straight on a Ranger or Deadeye gave alot in how that fight turned out.

Dont really miss Shroud either, and I like how now when u CANT rely on that “o-shiit” button its a more skill-based gameplay.

Id say I played mostly with Trailblazers, tested Shaman aswell (has the stats I want) but I want Condi Dmg to be “main” stat so hopeing for some new Gear-Stat here.

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Scourge is a kitten good 1v1 class with right specc

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Scourge use F2 then Ranger dies

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You dead wrong about the Elite tho, comboed with Sadistic Trait it pulses Burns AoE, and has 60sec CD. Imho I think its now the best Elite. Wont comment on rest agree with some, disagree with some.

Intresting info to hear still

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Iv now dueled multiple old and new classes for 5h straight and useing Deadshot Iv as Scourge had an insane win ratio. Vs all but Spellbreaker Id say I have had 90% wins. I really enjoy the build andchallenge of the Scourge NOT relying on a Shroud to save u.

Its much more skillbased and the area control + AoE dps is really kitten strong. I went back to Demonic Lore and 3 shades (needs practice but is better period)

Combo with Elite + Desert Shroud (may change) + Sadistic Searing is lovely to use

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are u Hotfixing this cause really want to test some more this weekend ??

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apperantly whole Borders in WvW crashed when 20-30+ ppl wnet thro the portal

i smell a mesmer conspiracy tho

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Posted by: Ravezaar.4951

Ravezaar.4951

I just dont get this Forum, finally a fun challenging Necro specc, and most posts are about complaints. The fact that Scourge is a complete AoE beast compared to Necro & Reaper is reason enough to play it. Scourge actually requires some practice and skill to play compared to the Shroud based Necros.

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Posted by: Ravezaar.4951

Ravezaar.4951

F2 is so ridiculously powerful as a condi clear. If you have troubles with condi as scourge its a l2p issue. The real challenge is lack of stability.

You’re joking, right? 2 condis converted? That’ll do…. oh yea, absolutely nothing in wvw.

F2 is so strong its insane, if u say otherwise I really doubt how much u played with it. Test some more, the CD on the skill + cleanse its kitten amazing imho. Iam NOT the only one saying this, watch youtubers + streamers in PvP and u get same response.

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Posted by: Ravezaar.4951

Ravezaar.4951

Sand Savant makes it alot easier for sure but I really really want that Demonic lore so went back late last night to try make 3 Shades work. In PvP 3 Shades is easy enough to use, in WvW its much harder and u want the 1 big one…

Still Love Scourge, and the skill challenge this class now brings compare to the “easy” gameplay mechanics of previous Necros

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Posted by: Ravezaar.4951

Ravezaar.4951

It’s a support once you keep might up for your party.
WHILE being a Condi AOE beast <3

fair enough, was mainly response regarding the Barrier mechanic

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