Guild Wars 2

Shiki.7148:

Ravezaar.4951:

Cecilia.5179:

condition necromancer is unviable in all game modes now. Kind of like Power Ranger pre rapid fire patch.

there is absolutely no truth whatsoever in this comment

If you don’t count “Reflect Necro” as a condition user this is fairly accurate if you directly compare it to condition builds from the other professions. For instance Engineer : 1/5th the ramp up, up to 6 times the damage. Yep, it is totally fair.

I dont care that other profession can dish out Condis faster and say more burns then a Necro, master of Conditions dosent meen fastest way to 25+ Bleeds aso… it meens Mastering/Controlling Conditions back and forth…. “reflect” is a bad choice since we are actually the only class ingame that lacks just that type of skill.

However Corrupting and Controlling, sending conditions back that were originally put on you by the enemy that is Master of Conditions and necro still dominate that part of the game. Yesterday a Ranger useing Gladomers build got killed by me useing only Signet of Plague and the trait Plague Sending, now tell me then how it mattered if he sent more Condis to me faster ? In PvE it may still be bad but imho its not worse then before.

Cecilia.5179:

condition necromancer is unviable in all game modes now. Kind of like Power Ranger pre rapid fire patch.

there is absolutely no truth whatsoever in this comment

there is 2 very good “clone-killers” avaible for Necs in Life Transfer and Signet of Locust and with the new GM Signet of Suffering a signet Build can destroy PU Mesmers. It comes down to timeing and skill ofc due to there 100% Stealth Buff but still those 2 Skills is very useful.

I know u are aware of this and its affecting all skills in the game current and is breaking WvW, its a massive BUG that requires attention. Iv seen a few posts about Boons none about the Condi issue but its the same:

25 players/targets are hit with every Condi & Boon

Vampiric Arura
Fiel my Wrath
Frost Fields chill a entire Zerg
Posion Fields or Grenades have no AoE limit-cap

I can go on and on but think u know the issue, would love an answer

ps: Patch in general was kitten Epic

yea I dont know what it is, stuff dies faster for sure… maybe its just a feeling. Ok tnx for responses anyway.

I have 5000+ hours on Necro alone, Iam just saying its a feeling. And believe me something is up… we will see in a few days I guess.

Vital Persistance aint working or something just is Hugely nerfed with Life Force and DS

It says Next to Power in your Charcter Screen LF Pool 15% either its a tolltip or they not showing the Baseline, but Iam specced into Soul Reaping and I can tell u I NEVER bin thrown out of DS this fast before

and yet specc into Soul Reaping seems to gone from 33% down to 15% and cant figure anyway to compensate, even with Vital presc. u get forced out isntant now.

Diovid.9506:

Ravezaar.4951:

so in other words u dont know, yet u felt u needed to make that answer

No need to be rude. No one knows except Anet and Anet is very unlikely to provide you with an answer.

Well u were kinda rude in your answer or rather non-answer so…

so in other words u dont know, yet u felt u needed to make that answer

as title says bin 3-4 weeks without one since I really dont count Revs Ventari as an Elite Spez overview. And you have 5 more to show + Revs

Are we getting anything on Friday perhaps ? this is the reason I bought HoT

I just randomly play 3-4 classes atm until I get the hands on my Reaper. Power ofc.

sry but Golem and Lich wont kill me upon use… so they arent worse then plague. if Elites stand as they are atm come Expansion I will go Shout Elite hands down… even when Solo Roaming.

Condi-mancer strong ? yes
All-other-mancer’s strong? no

Can the Arena hold the WvW GvG’s size that we need, that is 20v20 (15v15) ? Iam ofc not includeing Spectators or the Guild Hall, just the combat on the Arena floor itself otherwise Anet u are ripping us WvW focused Guild over yet again. This is an answer I really want and could NOT get a clear answer on in the stream. Heard some say hundred of players but seriously size of floor dosent allow that, and some said 10v10 and imho thats not gonna work…. WvW guilds dont want GvG(gw1 style) , we want our WvW-style GvG’s.

Plz answer Anet, its not hard.

There is to clarify 2 diffrent style of WvW Meta: the giant Guild/Zerg raid builds wich almost always includes Wells and until Reaper comes will like continue to do so. Then u have the Small-scale or Solo Roaming WvW builds and they have always bin dominated by Condtion Builds and that will just be even more used after 23rd hence my disapointment since this is what I mostly do.

Meta builds after June23rd: sadly anything with Condition in it… hopefully that can swing back with HoT & Reaper. Since I refuse to play Condi I guess a small break is in my near future.

Meta is changeing a new Builds and playstyles are comming and thats always good tho, I actually like when things are sturred up like its gonna be with this Patch. Its just to much focus on Conditions and even a few more Condis are added, yet VERY little talk about the counters such as: Defiance and Resistance

I wanna hear Robert Gee talk about the Necro changes in youtube or stream-replay whatever will come. I dont just wanna see Traits on paper. I really liked him in Reaper stream, finally a Dev that seemed pasioned about Necro and didnt fell asleep talking about our Class.

I also wanna hear his real toughts on CC-nerf and change to Spectral Walk. Did he agree to this or was he the bullied kid on Anets playground again ? Also wanna see him chat more about Blood Magic revamp and the added party support from say Vampiric traits and Blood is Power.

I dont think iam alone in this and really hope we see something rom Robert.

Power builds require far more skills then Condi builds, Meta is imho going in the wrong direction for this (dying)game

As a WvW player mainly I also agree with DemonCow and tho Iam looking forward to Reaper cant believe they did stuff like this, ok we got alot of good Buffs and Necro is one of the classes that benefits most from getting 3 full traitlines imho. Nerfing CC and Sp.W is insane 2 skills that made us intresting is now badly hurt.

For WvW Guild raids I think I will swap to the Shout Heal with HoT (5 targets + LF gain) seems stronger now and lower CD then CC. Never tought this would come…

Ok tnx for the Info I have somewhat missed this. The Power builds seems to be boosted and COnd nerfed by this tho I kinda like that with all new Buffs to Condi Meta anyhow.

I considered this the Necros only “Holy-dont ever fcng touch” skill and they nerfed it…

Am I missing something or arent we at all getting some compensation for the fact that we are loosing alot of stats from our traitlines ? 300 Power, 30% Con Duration aso…. ?

I tought Anet said that we would get some of it back in Gear,Runes etc… yet I see no info about it or have I missed something here ?

and yet its already up again so to bad they lack patience

I only play 1 MMO at a time and it wasnt a threat, most I know have left the game and iam barely hanging on… 3y is way to long for a 1st Exp. and you know it.

Well if its not within the 3rd quarter then Iam out, never gonna wait 3y for an Expansion. SwTor getting its 3rd Exp now, RifT has 3 already and what Teso already despite launched a year later… nah Gw2 isnt that good. But if HoT comes in Aug-Sep then I give it a try until I move on… I meen 3y and we get abit of Jungle ? I would have expected a new Continent by now tbh.

For defensive hard to stop Build Id say instead of Rune of Ice. there is Rune of Melandru.

The trait Relentless pursuit + Melandru is 91% decrease in Condi CC (Immob,Cripple,Chill) and in WvW u can add Lemongrass Food if Enemies dont use Condi +-Food u will be Immune due to the loss of Duration from passive Stats.

Rune of Melandru and Knights Armor with Zerk Trinkets is gonna be my setup for WvW.

The Necro he faced used an Axe vs a Thief…. speaks volume

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Lost to a subpar condition build eh? It’s ok keep practicing you’ll get better.

Necro,Thief,Engi,Ele (signet now),Mesmer (PU) is all better as Condi. do u play a diffrent game ?

I read mainly 1 thing into the “dash” change… the most annoying, powerful, bs Condi is just getting even more powerful: immobolize

a kick in the nuts Anet, truly

most likely since there is no “reveal” on Friday stream they talk about this Patch and then we have it on Tuesday.

Only this can save this game from being the Condi pile of **** Anet is going for atm, I dont get it ? Condi ppl complaining about lack of use in PvE ? Well then seperate PvE and WvW cause there its no lack of Condi-Builds. In a 1v1 situation the scale is already tipping over to Condi vs Power and now come on…

Also the"dash" part of this change is absolute ** I cant understand how some classes npw will just dominate even further when CC isnt affecting them (Warrior) with a million leaps …

yet I bet Immobolize will not be affected by this “dash” change so the most powerful, game-breaking Condi is just getting more ahead of the rest… nice work.

nearlight.3064:

@Sigmoid, you seem nice so I have nothing to say. Hopefully my story will at least earn me your sympathy if nothing else.

@Ravezaar, no need to kick me while I’m down I suppose. I’m sorry I tried to combat your argument. I feel like a fool in many different ways that are psychologically destructive right now.

This is off-topic, but I need to explain why I’m so against the greatsword. The only reason why I’m so against the greatsword is because last summer I grinded for months to make the legendary warhorn, a task that drove me to the brink of insanity. For essentially personal reasons I can’t stand the thought of not using that weapon on a build because I put so much time into it because I care that much about how my character looks. I have a personal bias against the Reaper GS for this reason alone. You can’t possibly take GS and dagger warhorn since you’ll lose the staffs ranged pressure and be forced into melee where mesemrs will kite you for days. If GS becomes the new meta weapon for Necromancer as you all say then I will be really upset because the time I put into my necromancer will have essentially have been wasted. All I ever wanted to do was to justify that keeping my weaponset with reaper over greatsword just so I can feel like I didn’t regret my past decision, but I’m wrong, you win.

I’d give anything to go back in time and not make that weapon. Its driving me insane becuase it means so much to me and I won’t be able to use it because of the kitten greatsword being so great at everything. Sure this is great for the necromancer class as a whole, but for me, its tearing me up inside. I just want you to understand where I’m coming from, and have fun with your greatsword. I guess just stick to mesmer now and maybe revenant in the future and try to forget all the wasted time I put into maining a necromancer last summer.

I never kicking anyone when they are down, and alot of ppl wont like the GS. Take all the Condi Necs as ex. Tho I see great potential in a burst+cleave weapon and that its Melee is even sweeter, I was afraid first we were gonna get like the mesmer GS.

@nearlight

1. I said Guardian HAMMMER, not medi guard as a whole. I talked about weapon speed NOT class movement.

2.We actually know quite abit about Dmg form GS from tooltip and cooments made by Anet after there Reaper presentation. Going by that it will have HIGH dmg on average, and considering GS on all other classes it even more clear since its usually high dmg overall.

3. GS Gravedigger rotation with trait will have higher dps out put then anything else we currently have, includeing Reaper Shroud. Absurd ? maybe u should check again. This is actually stated by several ppl on Forum already.

4. Reaper Shroud AA will genearate LF no matter how many it hits just more LF for more targets.

5. You know how Blind works right ? if u have Stability for ex. ? yea a Reaper has 8-10 Stab every 16sec with trait, and he dosent have to be in Reaper Shroud to use it just pop in hit#3 and its there, this combined with Relentless Pursuit and say melandru Runes will create issues for CC heavy classes like no tomorrow.

Also btw the Thief cant steal and remove my Stability, it kepps pulsating for 8sec (10sec+ with Boon adds) so much for that DP blind….

Id say it again, the slow weapon skills on GS (Reaper Shroud is actually quite fast) wont be an issue once a good necro had some practice. a Thief ? you better hope they get something in there Elite Spez to counter a Reaper, blind wont.

plz come again

Nah Dhuumfire will work on AA in Reaper Shroud the rest I dont see fit tbh, as Reaper Shroud is Melee based I cant see any real Condi stacking in it. Melee has and will be Power based due to the fact u want that instant dmg. And GS is out of the question as a Condi weapon…

Sigmoid.7082:

Reaper Shroud due to its “melee” nature and the lack of Torment & Bleed I dont see how that fit into Condi Builds either tbh.

Dhuumfire. It allows you to stack between 6 and 12 stacks of burn. That’s between 2-4k damage in burn ticks.

Yea didnt think of that, yea makes atleast Reaper Shroud more viable for Condis

I think Condi Reaper will have a place and can be even more powerful then current, however I dont see the use of either GS or Reaper Shroud. Condi imho dosent fit the “melee” direction of Reaper/GS skills. The traits can really buff the condimancer tho. Looking at GS skill there is also not much dmg-condis except #5 Poison so I rule GS out from most Condi builds instantly, add Reaper Shroud due to its “melee” nature and the lack of Torment & Bleed I dont see how that fit into Condi Builds either tbh.

As a Power necro fan I see however great potential and love that we can close the gap to the Condimancer with Reaper, it will be a better balanced class come HoT and hopefully both Power nad Condi find there style.

Guardian Hammer considered one of the slowest Weapons in game, yet ppl still get hit by it all the time. JI + RoW Combo followed up by Mighty Blows for 6k. I really dont get ppl’s issue with GS being slow, its not like u gonna miss miss miss and miss… The potential of dmg from GS is the highest we have, even gonna be higher then Reaper Shroud and current lich Form so yea if we also had faster weapon cast time, we get Nerfed instantly.

I like the dmg potential and I look forward to try and land my skills… and Gravedigger combo’s

It seems very strong but imho I need to see it in a PvP-situation to fully grasp how strong it is, thats were I think the balance need to be looked at. I see the potential for a very OP 1v1 build in a Phantasm Chronomancer….. scary indeed

42pages about the Guardian Elite Spez name, says something about the passion players have for the game and Guardians have for there Class.

My first Build will have Relentless Pursuit + Melandru Runes + Lemongrass Food and all the tricks avaible to keep me in Reaper Shroud for the longest time possible and to quickly get me back in there again, rest is DPS Focused. The Movie-Monster line intrests me alot… Spite-SR-Reaper Traitlines suits me best.

Knights set for me, why precision u ask ? Iam not gonna take Decimate defences so…

yea its not like there is something like being on point in sPvP, is there…

Spectral Grasp, Spectral Walk-Jukes, Wurm,Death Charge there is several ways to gap-close without have to Force the need for old DS, speically in sPvP were distances never are that big and LoS is everywhere.

plz stop calling them “my build” like you were the first to ever come up with a certain Build. Going on Hype-train or not there is a few things that are Facts:

Repaer Shroud and the Reaper/GS is Melee so there is something new to adapt to.

Reaper Shroud is more Powerful then Deathshroud it has better Substain/Longivity due to the fact that LF-Gain now is on AA, however it lacks the Ranhe of its Cousin.

Death Charge is a far easier trigger then Dark Path in I would say any type of situation when it comes to both gap-close and escape.

Infusing terror is what mostly seperate the two Shrouds, Deathshroud has absolutely nothing to compete with this Skill, an 8sec Stability with Traits on a 14sec CD is “The skill” for Reapers and imho for Necros overall.

Reaper will be far more vunerable to anykind of Range dps and this will be our biggest hurdle, interupts iam not to worried about. Getting to the target is my biggest concern.

rapthorne.7345:

Ravezaar.4951:

GS has 0.25s longer cast time really ? if u cant hit a target then re-roll. For WvW Reaper will be amazing, for sPvP it will be alot stronger then current (what maybe 2ppl in top Tourney play Nec current). In PvE well iam gonna say change very little for grp support(dont care, never do PvE)

ppl think we get interupted alot, or CC’s to pieces as a slow GS wielder/Melee brawler, yea well we will have 8s Stab(pulsating) on 14s rotation with Speed of Shadows, if u cant grasp what that will do for our necro iam sry I cant help u.

Unless they have drastically increased the durability of DS, what you get in ds won’t mean much. Especially when you consider that to utilise reaper you need to get up close and personal and make yourself vulnerable to even easier wear on ds uptime from attacks

The fact that our Life Force gain has moved from Life Transfer to our AA in Reaper Shroud meen alot, the “durability” as u call it of RS is far greater then our current DS. I see LB Ranger being a pain if we cant get him, tho the ranger is a pain as it is now. Whatever comes to close to the Reaper, the Reaper can del with, sry to say but…

1. enemies wont get the chill off (no matter how many cleanses) 2. the amount of CC/pulls we now have avaible will keep most of them there. 3. look at 1 again

so much potential in Reaper, will it be amazing in 1v1 ? no it wont, but I can see it dominate small-scale and big-scale fights. Look over traits and skills again and maybe u see what I do.

I invested alot of time during 3y just to be kittened out now, cause Anet want to favor the new players. this sux

GS has 0.25s longer cast time really ? if u cant hit a target then re-roll. For WvW Reaper will be amazing, for sPvP it will be alot stronger then current (what maybe 2ppl in top Tourney play Nec current). In PvE well iam gonna say change very little for grp support(dont care, never do PvE)

ppl think we get interupted alot, or CC’s to pieces as a slow GS wielder/Melee brawler, yea well we will have 8s Stab(pulsating) on 14s rotation with Speed of Shadows, if u cant grasp what that will do for our necro iam sry I cant help u.

once again u are just destroying WvW for the ones that actually still play it. tnx Anet