Hey OP and rest of the posters. I really like your thoughts on this. Please post in my thread IMO this game as to much grind.
On topic:
We were told that you wouldn’t feel forced to play a certian way and the way you play is up to you. This is not true. If you want to grind you do the Tunnel grind, if you want dungeon now you do fotm (oh I know about the others but this one HAS the best stats now).
I feel your pain, I bought several stacks of something when the price was going up, but the price then tanked. Thankfully the price is going back up so they may sell in a couple of weeks.
As for your items, you can use websites like http://www.gw2spidy.com to see what the price is doing and make a decision based on that.
The danger of buying seasonal stuff is when it is out of season people are left with stuff they want to get rid of and dump it for what they can get, resulting in the price tanking after the season has ended. It may take quite some time before the price recovers, and thats only if people are buying the item out of season. Piece of candy corn for example, its price tanked after halloween as people tried to get rid of what they had, but the price is slowly climbing and in a month or so it may reach end of halloween price level.
okay, I guess I’m going to buy some gem cards and wait a week or so.
But for me the problem is I have a method that will make make me around 40% profit each week.
I’m just annoyed now since this was so dum. I wish I’d never touched it.
I’d be more concerned aboot your cpu than another graphics card. BUT. More the merrier!
My cpu is going to be an i5
And yeah my old computer was completly messed up. Hardware was failing, memory was getting cut in half. It was a pain. And the reason I’m getting this computer mostly is cause BestBuy cut 300 off the 1300 computer since they messed up 4 times in a row.
Ah. Personally, I wouldn’t bother putting a 670 into a system with an i5 processor, but it may work out; if so, let us know. I’m running a 560 in an i7 system with 12 GB of RAM and can run best appearance at 25 to 45 FPS just about everywhere in-game.
Oh just out of curiousity why wouldn’t you put a 670 with an i5?
I’m trying to find some heavy armor that looks great. I know people combind them but I’m not good at them. So for all you people with amazing imaginations post your heavy armored characters here and if you may please tell what they’re wearing.
I’d be more concerned aboot your cpu than another graphics card. BUT. More the merrier!
My cpu is going to be an i5
And yeah my old computer was completly messed up. Hardware was failing, memory was getting cut in half. It was a pain. And the reason I’m getting this computer mostly is cause BestBuy cut 300 off the 1300 computer since they messed up 4 times in a row.
I feel like ArenaNet is panicing right now. They spent too much time in creating the environment and events and less time thinking about the reward system, sPvP and general end-game content.
well yeah and now they’re rushing content without consulting US the players!
If they consulted us and made more ways to get stat armor without the grind I would not complain.
And to be honest 25g is not that bad of loss it might take a week to recover from
Eek bit of a problem there I’m casual and basically for the next 2 months because of school I won’t be able to play much at all. Well 3 since April = exams :p
I know a method that should make me about 30-50% of my profit each week. So that’s my problem. If holding it really is the wiser thing or not.
Hi I think I cut my gold from 50 to 25 since this what I did;
Bought about 250ea of skins (halloween etc.) for 7s each now they’re 2.5 ea.
Should I hold them? Sell them and reinvest?
Did I just royally mess up? Or could they go back to 7s?
What are your thoughts?
MMOs are a grind get over it. Some mask it better then others.
But Anet said getting Stats would not be a grind. Only skins are. I’m 10000000000000000% fine with that just not stats. Even if getting those stats means your wearing a garbage bag over yourself.
The grind starts when you decide to level a second character up to 80.
For the first time, it’s bearable. For the second, it’s old a busted, and you know that crafting and equiping are gonna sink away all your money that you already doesn’t have much of anyways.
Bonus torture points if your first character was a Guardian, because everything’s gonna feel like toilet paper compared to it.
Anyways I know its not possible to change the combat completly but make it more challenging. Make us think like in GuildWars1. It was waka-a-mole combat but it has so much strategy that I could easily ignore it.
I think what drew people into this world were false promises that lead to nothing. Such as claiming this a living, breathing world. Well honestly its not. Its spam X event to get X item then rinse and repeat.
I can’t speak much for the other points as everyone here seems to have done a well enough job on that already, but IMO the gold grind is a bit much in this game. In fact, I’ve pretty much reconciled that my toons will never see more than maybe one or two exotics of any kind that compliment their particular builds. For example, for my Necromancer’s build, I would require an exotic scepter with rabid stats. Well the only one available(below 100k) is Lidless Eye, which is a whopping 99 gold. I’ve only ever had 10g at any one time and that took roughly a month to acquire. If I bought gems, given the exchange rate last week, I would have needed to shell out $95 to be able to afford it. I know that people do this, but I can’t personally rationalize spending that much on a single in-game item, just for the stats.
I would run dungeons and such to try and get gold/items but the problem with that is I don’t have the gear to do so as it requires me to spend massive amounts of gold(or karma for a few particular items) to get it. Feels like I’m stuck in a Catch 22 with nothing I can do about it. Personally, this is more likely to push me away from the game rather than rev me up for a long intensive grind that spans months and months that in the end will only result in a marginally lacking reward as the toon would have only acquired ONE item. By the posts I’ve read, I know most of you had 500 gold and 300k karma by the time your first toon hit 80 and had them in full exotics, but I’m definitely not that good and I really don’t get how so many of you guys managed that. So, for now I’m just playing just for the sake of playing as “finishing” or completing a toon or even having a good toon seems an unreachable and futile goal.
Your “Catch 22” is completely self-imposed. If people couldn’t run dungeons without the best gear, then no one would have been able to run dungeons in the first place. Exotics are NOT required to run dungeons, or Fractals, or to play well in any other aspect of this game.
Think of it this way. You need a car to get to work. A Camaro and a Corvette will both suffice. Sure, the Corvette might look better and it might get you there a bit faster than the Camaro. But the Camaro will get you there just the same. If you want the Corvette, you have to be prepared to invest a bit more to get it. If this investment is too much, then learn to be happy with the Camaro. And bear in mind that a good driver in a Camaro is worth more than a bad driver in a Corvette.
PS – 21 hours, TC. Better get busy looking for that link.
Can you no see his point? Gear matters! Yeah this combat is not your typical wake-a-mole but its not Dark Souls combat ether. Dark Souls combat truly is the kind of combat that you can blame on lack of skill. For example the first boss in the begining can be killed with just a knife if your skilled enough; you really dont need a more powerful weapon if you memorize how it moves. This game has elements of that but not the entirty of it.
Anet said stats would be easy to get, MAX not just any stats MAX stats just like Guild Wars 1.
All of you who are against the idea of this game not being a grind have NOT commented on this. Prove me wrong. Show me a link that says STATS = Grind.
I’ll ask this for what feels like the thousandth time. For what aspect of this game are you required to grind? I’m seriously feeling like I’m talking to a bunch of five year old children who don’t know the meaning of the words they’re using.
BiS stats (or close to it) is a requirement for a lot of people to ensure they are optimally geared to be sure they can clear content with a minimum of wipes, you might not deem it as a requirement but thats a matter of opinion.
You point is vaild, people do need stats if they want to wipe less and for content that is barly used many have to go in it alone or with a small group of friends. In these cases stats are key. =)
It is a choice to decide to do the dailies, no one is forcing you or anyone else to complete them.
Just like it is a choice to acquire Legendary weapon skins.
I do not feel forced into doing any of these things, if i want the reward for there completion then i will work on completing it.
Oh stop it around with ‘its a choice’ arguments. They are old and overused and a logical fallacy since a game should not be considered a chore now should it?. This game should be fun not a chore, don’t forget the OP main point.
You get nearly 1G in a dungeon run if you don’t skip dungeon content. So in a week of running 1 dungeon a day, you should have around 5-6g a week. That’s pretty easy right?
Btw, I’m part of the casual crowd… I’ve been repeating myself several times that if you’re in the casual crowd, working slowly over a month for gear shouldn’t be an issue lol.
but exotic isn’t the top tier gear anymore. Ascended is.
Agree with everything but Gold grind. Never had more than 10 gold. I am full exotic, spent like 4 gold on that. I am fully geared on my necro AND I have all gear transmutated to what I want. Took me one week doing 2-3 dungs per day.
3 per day. Here’s my problem many people don’t have time to do 1 per day. Again your not appreciating the casual crowd here.
As the title states I am giddy about Neverwinter Online going live in a few months. Ever since the Nov 28 patch this game has continually gone downhill especially since Anet seems determined to put out sub par, boring, and bland content and veering off the road that made GW1 what it was. A GREAT game. Now this game has bottomed and become worse than most F2P korean MMOs.
Yeah I agree. I don’t like Neverwinter though seems boring but thats just me some like you find it entertaining which is great
Can you please comment on my thread ‘In my opinion there is to much grinding in this game’
GW1 player here too. Though I have played quite a lot of other MMOs too. I have a different perspective though. I see GW2 as different game from GW1. There are similar aspects and stories, but it’s ultimately a different game. Like a game that evolved from GW1.
@Redfeather, I strongly disagree with your view. Grinding for any single thing makes it stale, so I avoid that by spreading my gaming over bits of time, and by doing different activities. If you seriously play this game casually, then you shouldn’t feel like you’re grinding and having a tedious experience. If you play “casually” like I do, then stats don’t matter to you. I still enjoy the game without max stats lol. My guild and friends always joked about how I am badly geared (I had 78 exotics for like 1 month before I cared to upgrade), but it didn’t stop my enjoyment. I COULD HAVE upgraded to 80 exotics much earlier, but I didn’t out of laziness and saved up my gold and emblems.
It’s really not that bad as some of you guys make it out to be. If you reached exotics, you don’t really have to get ascended. You could if you wanted though, and it’ll give you a small stat boost for your efforts. But if you dislike grind, then don’t go for it. Just slowly gather up fractal stuff for like 2-3 months and then use it, or wait for when they add more ways to get fractal items.
I’d agree with you if GW2’s action styled combat was enough to carry the game on its own. It isn’t. It’s certainly very interactive for an RPG but not enough to be an actual action game. It’s great that the gameplay alone is enough for you but it isn’t for others.
A major source of enjoyment that I and other GW1 players find involves experimenting with different builds of traits, skills and equipment. Part of the reward comes from simply having a novel play style, but it also comes from the fact that you know you’ve crafted a quality and competitive build, having considered the constraints and trade-offs. GW1 catered to this play style by having dirt cheap basic maxed armor and a plethora of skills. GW2 has fewers skills, no secondary profession, expensive exotic items and grind-worthy ascended items. It is the opposite of GW1.
ZOMG you understand the actual issues in this game? Finally someone with a logical view to all of this!!!
That is somthing I enjoyed to. So many builds to mess around with never made it boring. What should have been is aload of skills + this combat. And the combat really isn’t pure action. I wish there was game with combat like Dark Souls but thats just me.
I’m a GW1 player, and I know GW2 is designed to pigeon-hole characters into a place where the only means to escape feeling stale is to engage in really tedious resource sinks.
Which is sad since GW2 should have improved on what GW1 great. The combat is fine, its just the way they designed getting stats and what not.
People are looking at it from completely different perspectives. On one hand we have traditional MMO players who are used to long grinds, gear checks and increasing level caps who are amazed that people think GW2 is grindy. On the other hand we have GW1 players and others who bought into GW2 being a “non traditional MMO” who are as outraged about vertical progression as HoN or Dota 2 players would be if it was introduced into those games.
I’m still waiting on ANet to make good on their promise to make ascended items available in WvW; the current laurel system is completely inadequate. Adding a huge incentive for players to log in daily or be left behind is one of the oldest tricks in the MMO book. ANet can fix this by making laurels purchasable through karma and badges of honor.
And this is how as a GuildWars 1 player I feel. I played that game for countless hours because of this ideaology.
As someone who has complete faith in Anet -they were a key reason why I played GW1 I know they will remember the GW1 community and amend for this.
Anet please listen to us, we are willing to pay just as much if not more then the other players. But as of right now I can’t see the sense in it because I know (stat wise) I will probably never be on par with those who have the time to play.
Well the point is stats should not be so costly. This is my MAIN point. And clearly Dark more then enough people agree with me. I am pointing out a fact, this fact is like saying the sky is blue.
I never noticed a requirement to grind. I noticed alot of people chose to grind when they didn’t have to do so. I picked up full gear sets with the highest possible stats, just be playing and enjoying the game. Seems some people prefer grinding.
And how many hours a day do you play?
i have had a full set off exotics for some time now AND also have changed out a few parts for stats that fit my build better.
I only ever play for a few hours on my 2 day’s off, and if i have time i may log on for an hour after work SOME TIME’s
i am by no means rich but I also dont have anything to spend my cash on other than a few waypoints and some gear repairs when i need them.
if it dosnt lock you out of content than its not a grind.
Okay same argument that you and everyone else like you has avoided. ANET CLAIMED that stats would be easy to get.
To anyone else that will be like the guy above how does radically changing the above not mean this game is grind?
And avoiding the question only means that you know that the so called casuals are in right.
Well generally it is a dum stat, and this is coming from someone who HAS MF. Why not give everyone an equal chance instead of making us waste around 7-8G to buy the required armor + runes for it.
Forums are filled with complains about anet’s own legendary and how their effects are.
I know some are happy with their legendary weapon, but many of the casuals just wouldn’t bother with it. since its kinda expensive and grindy to get one.
IF anet suddenly assign you to make their new legendary, what weapon will it be?
how are the effects around it? how will your dream legendary weapon looks like?
ones that will make even a casual player want soo bad that he/she starts to do the optional grind!
let me go first..
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name : the cursed
type : one hand sword
skin : a long ornamented black steeled curved katana
effect : have a combination between a green flame, green lightning and skulled souls whenever it waves. makes armor burnt with green flames and have whirl of green lightning as footsteps.
reason : I love samurai stories that has a cursed blade that killed the maker and cursed every samurai who wield it while sucking souls of the ones that is slayed by it. + green lantern. ^^
hah optional grind really? Legendary weapons will continue to (even in future gear grind updates) have the best stats. They will in the long run save the person alot of grind.
Fractals introduction was a turning point for me….
Legendary Weapons were OK… it was something for the die hard player…a reward worthy or their effort. I was fine with it.
Now with the gear grind… GW2 just became another Wow wannabe. They were doing so well up to that point.
Basically, this. I was fine with the cosmetic legendary grind. I really only began questioning the direction of the game when ascended was introduced. Before that my biggest concerns were culling and that obnoxious stealth+burst design of thieves.
That’s true. Ascended gear created a whole slew of ploblems because the only way to get them was to do FOTM aload of times which no matter how you slice it is grind.
I have no idea. I went for the event then left and other then randomly checking on it once (gave up when I was spawned by the hard monsters) haven’t went back since.
Fractals introduction was a turning point for me….
Legendary Weapons were OK… it was something for the die hard player…a reward worthy or their effort. I was fine with it.
Now with the gear grind… GW2 just became another Wow wannabe. They were doing so well up to that point.
I play because it’s free and at any moment I can leave… perhaps never come back… and it’s not going to cost me a dime either way. I’ll give Anet that much credit.
Otherwise… it’s disappointing, but not entirely unexpected. Why it’s noble and courageous of the Developers to create a game that’s not a Wow clone at heart. Wow fanbois do number in the 10’s of Millions… to attract their business… one must make sacrifices.
Certainly my dime alone won’t pay anyone’s salary!
I’m sure GW2 will be another LOTRO for me… a game I can revisit for little while… and then leave again to spend $$/cash on something else. There’s nothing here worth investing in anymore.
I hope that isn’t Gw2’s future. Have hope man. But it is leaning way to towards a WoW hardcore’s fantasy.
Well even look at the people arguing. They believe spending 3-5 hours min. a day is ‘casual’ or ‘normal’.
And thank you so much for seeing the issues as what they are! =)
Grinding is the core mechanic of every mmo. If you do not want to grind do not play mmos. The goal in every mmo is to have the highest number in something, either it is the highest gold or highest attack or most achievment-points or the fastest arah-run, you name it. And these things will only be aquired trough grinding and skill and time.
There are exceptions of course like first server clear of an instance and stuff, but in general these are one-time events and do not affect the big playerbase.
If you disagree with this statement ( core mechanic = grind ) you never really played any other mmo, in the end you will repeat some task over and over again just to get your number a bit higher.
That being said I think guildwars 2 is doing an awesome job in keeping the grind fun for the things that they are promoting.
As it has been said earlier in this thread when you reach level 80 you should be able to buy at least the start-gear for dungeons and then quickly should be able to get exotic. If it takes you more than 2 weeks you are doing something wrong. And that is grinding yes, but if you don’t overdo it, e.g. farming cof p1 for 5h a day like I did for a week, you should be fine. If you can not handle a little non-fun stuff to get to the things you wan’t you shouldn’t be playing an mmo.
If you play for some other reason, like exploring the world ( something I like very much ), you will find an end to this after some time and then there is nothing to left. Not so about the things I mentioned earlier, you will not really come to an end of those ( achievments points ofc but this will be very hard ).
And a lost note to op. Why do you need 100g for your ideal build what are you buying? Also you can not tell me that you need 100g and ascended gear and karma-gear at the same time. How many armor-sets are you buying with that?
Don’t dodge the arugment.
Anet said that stats should grind-free.
100G included the cost if I wanted armor that looked and had the stats. If you read my posts then if you have any armor regardless of looks it is still 70G.
Ascended was added because now ascended is the top gear. And the stats from that should be easily attainable.
In this case? Absolutely. The “Waaah! I’m required to put forth effort to obtain the best gear in the game!? They lied to me! This game sucks!” attitude being displayed by the TC certainly isn’t the developer’s fault.
You’d have a point if they hadn’t made statements to the effect that max stats would be readily attainable, in conjunction with claims that you can play how you want (what a vague statement that one is), and if they weren’t riding precedent they set with their previous game (and arguably one of it’s stronger, or at least more distinguishing, features).
To be honest, my initial reaction to the OP was not far off from yours. That’s why I avoided commenting until the thread had gained some traction; admittedly, I couldn’t help myself from making my statement on page 2, but it was off-topic to the original discussion.
Anyway, it’s one thing for you or I to hold or share your opinion; it’s entirely different for Anet to do so. They need to focus on keeping as many people interested in the game as possible, and blaming the player starts them down some slippery slopes.
Thank-you.
You said what I have tried with difficulty to say. They said that stats would be readily attaintable. That cosmetic would be the grind. I’m FINE with that grind, even though even that grind needs to toned down a bit. By adding in ascended gear how is it easily attainable?
Anet said getting stats would be easy not expensive.
Argue against this to your hearts content. This is what they said. If you don’t answer this then you don’t have an argument for this thread; start your own hardcore thread instead.
And as stated the hardcore might make up part of the player base but the casual is the majority. Keep that in mind.
Again you are confused. Why do you need the stats? What will an extra couple of points on an exotic give you that will allow you to experience content that you couldn’t experience before?
Let me put it this way:
You might need a car to get from A to B, but do you NEED that $50,000 Turbo charged sports car as opposed to your $2000 Corolla to do the same thing?
Wow. Did you forget Anet said that getting the stats you need would be easy? If your going to argue against that I can’t comment against your non-argument.
Let me ask you this; what can you do in a 70 gold set of exotic armor that I cannot do in a 5 gold set of rare armor?
Everything you can do, but better, assuming equal skill.
I didn’t ask what you could do better in exotic than someone in rare, I asked what you could do in exotic that someone in rare cannot. If grinding for exotic armor is required, as has been stated in this thread, then for what content is it required? I’d like to know exactly what content players donning exotic armor have access to that player in rare armor do not.
Let me make an analogy. A computer is required to play Guild Wars 2. A top-of-the-line computer would be optimal, but a top-of-the-line computer most certainly is NOT required. You can participate in literally any aspect of this game with just rare (or worse) armor. You can’t do so as optimally as if you had exotic armor, but you can still participate at more than a competent level.
Because ALL content is available for anyone regardless of their armor quality, players are IN NO WAY required to grind for anything. They may choose to grind for better armor, but they are absolutely not required to do so. That is a statement of fact. And it’s a point to which the other side has NO counter.
I believe you just don’t have anything to argue against what s/he just said. Everything he said stands true. There is MASSIVE difference between NEED and WANT.
You don’t NEED BiS gear to experience all the content GW2 has to offer. You only WANT the gear because, yes it’s optimal, but at the end of the day, it’s still a want because it is not NEEDED to experience the full suite of content GW2 has to offer.
I need the stats.
Doesn’t that count?
And as stated the hardcore might make up part of the player base but the casual is the majority. Keep that in mind.
My problem remains that they made a change and didn’t immediately tell people why. Instead, they answer the question in private on another website in a special interview. How is that talking directly to your players? Furthermore, how do they find time to “develop the game” (as you say they wouldn’t be able to do if they spent time on their forums) when they’re doing so many interviews?
What were you expecting then? A forum note for every little change and an explanation for every little tweak?
If there was a forum outburst about this issue, they’ll probably respond immediately. If not, well i think it’s pretty much safe for them to assume it’s not something so important they had to spend time making a post about it, when they could be developing the game/ doing interviews to promote the game.
If this was such a little issue then why bother mentioning it at all?
I never noticed a requirement to grind. I noticed alot of people chose to grind when they didn’t have to do so. I picked up full gear sets with the highest possible stats, just be playing and enjoying the game. Seems some people prefer grinding.
Let me ask you this; what can you do in a 70 gold set of exotic armor that I cannot do in a 5 gold set of rare armor?
Everything you can do, but better, assuming equal skill.
I didn’t ask what you could do better in exotic than someone in rare, I asked what you could do in exotic that someone in rare cannot. If grinding for exotic armor is required, as has been stated in this thread, then for what content is it required? I’d like to know exactly what content players donning exotic armor have access to that player in rare armor do not.
Let me make an analogy. A computer is required to play Guild Wars 2. A top-of-the-line computer would be optimal, but a top-of-the-line computer most certainly is NOT required. You can participate in literally any aspect of this game with just rare (or worse) armor. You can’t do so as optimally as if you had exotic armor, but you can still participate at more than a competent level.
Because ALL content is available for anyone regardless of their armor quality, players are IN NO WAY required to grind for anything. They may choose to grind for better armor, but they are absolutely not required to do so. That is a statement of fact. And it’s a point to which the other side has NO counter.
