Guild Wars 2

Surbrus.6942:

Rissou.7213:

because a fact is you dont lose to a thief with pistol/pistol, its a broken weapon set.

Then restrict the whining to asking for a p/p buff/redesign, rather than whining about how it is hard to fight something when it is designed to hard counter you’re particular strategy.

The thing that a lot of people are hearing from this thread is “rock is imba, nerf rock and buff paper!”.

Any skill that does fast hits in a short time suffers, for me as a thief its sneak attack on pistol/dagger and pistolwhip in sword/pistol and tbh, its a problem with retaliation, if it had a 0.5 second cooldown there would be no difference against all other people, but a huge difference for fast hitting skills.

Allelya.6830:

So.. you want an ability nerfed because you don’t know how to look for a boon to avoid spamming an ability on?

While were at it, nerf daze too, because thieves do not have situational awareness, therefore nerf other classes.

Wait, do I need to mention that looking for retaliation is so old school, they implemented a new graphics on your screen that shows when you attack someone with retaliation, so STFU!

No, retaliation is fine against almost everything except skills that do rapid hits in a short time, like Unload, like what this whole thread is about.

If they gave retaliation a cooldown per tick on a target for like 0.5 seconds. Would mean that one unload that lasts for almost 2 seconds would only recieve 3-4 ticks of retaliation instead of 8 ticks.

Volrath.1473:

makes me sad to see that players like the OP make this profession look bad…
Retaliation has its own dmg color on your screen, after using the first unload and seen that retaliation is up, WHY would you unload 2 more times on a row!?

Makes me sad… very sad.

ENOUGH!.. okay, enough with all your moaning and complaining about it is a l2p issue!

I cant believe I need to defend myself on this issue.

No, it doesnt take 3 unloads for me to see if there is a retaliation, i notice it on the first attack, because it has a big retaliation icon in your face when you attack them.

This has nothing to do with if i should switch weapons, run away, change target.. This is an issue with retaliation punishing on Pistol/pistol!

I want Pistol/pistol to have a chance to win against someone with retaliation, if anyone of you ever fought a thief with pistol/pistol, you wouldnt make these stupid comments, because a fact is you dont lose to a thief with pistol/pistol, its a broken weapon set.

Bountiful is not the answer to this lol, its a 2 boon steal once every 36 seconds, and its not 100% chance to even get the retaliation from the person on the steal, you can get a regen and swiftness instead!

Retaliation is broken against some skills, that does alot of hits in a short time, like Unload.

And yes, we have 2 weapon sets, but the point im trying to make is that P/P shouldnt be useless suicide weapon vs a person with retaliation.

Guys, you dont seem to realise that some classes have 100% uptime on retaliation, and even if i would steal once every 36 seconds and maybe take that retaliation, they will get it up again in a few seconds.

Canceling one attack wont help much.

Fix retaliation, needs a cooldown per tick.

My unload does 8 hits and retaliation does average 320 per hit, thats 2560 damage on 1 unload, so in 3 unloads it becomes 7680 damage done from retaliation on myself by an enemy not doing anything.

Makes me sad… very sad.

Rastaman.9015:

I swear to god I thought about this a couple weeks ago. A staff thief that hits multiple times in quick successions. I say the out of stealth attack should be a short knockdown. and the 3 ability be a 10 hit combo for a base 500 damage each hit. The auto attack should be really fast but lower damage this would make signet of malice viable. 2 ability should be a leap attack. And 4 should be an ankle attack that cripples. 5 should be a stealth maneuver that doesn’t require you to hit anything( lots of initiative here).

That sounds awesome until you fight a mob or player with retaliation and then your 10hit combo suddenly does 3k+ damage to yourself.

With the trait build 30-25-0-0-15 , dual axe, PVE dungeon.

In Full adrenaline you get 9% crit and 12% damage, what is worth most DPS, keeping the adrenaline full for the passive bonus or using the eviscerate?

Well yeah, I guess. But I think shout healing is OK, not as BAD as chrispytoast says in his PvP summary!

Here I will help you abit, I quote this from another thread I found with all the information you need:

KazNaka.4718:

I run full berserker gear with ruby orbs,
20/30/0/0/20 using gs and rifle:
20 – zerker’s power and slashing power
30 – rending strikes, forceful gs, furious
20 – heigtened focus and sig mastery

I get adrenaline really easily with crits, switch to rifle to pop my kill shot and volley, switch back to gs and easily regain full adrenaline, rinse and repeat. This is also good in dungeons. When I’m taking too much hits with melee, just switch to rifle and still deal decent damage.

also, between 48s-cd sig of rage and FGJ, I can practically keep fury up for that +20% crit.

Now you know what gear you need and build, good luck out there, upgrade your gear to 80 even if its blue, green or yellow if you cannot afford exotic.

Is it just me? But I think our shout healing is pretty good healing.

1500-2200 healing per shout x3 every 20 second, depending on healing power, so thats an extra 4500-6600 heal ontop of normal heal.

If we just had protection boon, then we would be monsters ^^

The regen from banner is a boon, you can only have 1 regen boon. They dont stack so you will only have 170 healing, if thats how much your regen heal.

The regen amount of healing your banner boon gives to yourself is the same on allies effected by your regen.

And it doesnt matter if you have 1 or 4 banners, the regen duration is the same. Not 100% sure on this one, because it doesnt really matter hehe.

And tbh, unless you are wearing berserk gear, doesnt matter what food you have, you still wont die unless they focus you. The heal on kill is just a bonus.

If banners were stuck on your back, that would be really awesome.

Anyone using banners know the feeling when you put down more than 1 banner and then need to leave the area and you can only bring one of them with you, and the others have 40 seconds left on the cooldown :/

We all know a warrior would just put them all on his back and swing away like a mad banner man!

You are fighting augary rock in that video, which im against right now!

I know that warrior you killed, did some dueling with her ^^

Edit: I now realised we are on the same server, ha ha

Why are you roamers always running around the open world, its so big and takes long time to find anyone, atleast for me.

I roam the eternal battleground puzzle everyday killing people there because you dont need to run around all over the map.

I wish people like you quit running around so i could get some good fights in 1vs1 ^^

One thing you could do is make banner a 1 handed offhand weapon if you pick it up.

That way, you could keep your mainhand Axe, Mace or Sword and be useful while running around with your banner in the offhand with 2 skills, swiftness and the current banner number 2 special skill.

Because right now, picking up a banner makes you suck.

Tbh, it makes sense!

There is 3 options of gear that are the most common, they are:

Knight: Power, precision, thougness. Half survival, half damage.

Soldiers: Power, thougness, vitality. Survival.

Berserker: Power, precision, crit damage. Damage.

You choose anyone of them and depending what you want, they all work. Rune, depends abit on the build, direction of damage or survival.

Mix of Norn Cultural, tier 1,2 and 3 + fused gauntlets.

Tbh, I did not notice this at all, kitten . i thought everyone saw my title

Gathslan.1870:

What servers are still having skill lag? I havent had any for many weeks now.. im playing on piken square.

lol…

I play on Piken Square too, and I have lag everyday because of big fights in stonemist, eternal battleground.

And that is skill delay lag, for everyone on the map.

Yes, and according to history channel, warrior and guardian should get a dagger to finish downed players.

An animation where you kneel down and stab the person in the face instead of putting a flag on them haha.

Are you sure there is problem with the servers?

Maybe its the engine or something else that cannot be fixed.

To be honest makes no sense with your comment:

“Also seeing more level difference in later added parts of the world would make it seem less like “Okay now the whole rest is all 80”.”

If level gets upped to 100, everyone will be level 100

To be honest, I am happy for any nerf they get.

I really doubt you are a thief, then you wouldnt feel sorry for them.

CrazyAce.3842:

Rissou.7213:

A pistol thief have 3 utilities to use for stealth, but I highly doubt they are on short cooldown enough for him to spam stealth with.

Also, If i ever see a dual pistol thief killing mesmer and guardian in a 2vs1 situation, im gonna be traumatized for the rest of my life. Guardian and mesmer is 2 of the hardest counters against thief ever.

You most likely fought a Pistol/dagger thief, who can go stealth every 4 seconds and use sneak attack, which looks like Unload for people who dont play thief

Edit: There isnt much you can do to counter it, except become a better player.

True, but I was simply countering the idea that a thief using dual pistols is unable to stealth.

Yeah sorry for the misunderstanding, I answered the same person you did

But to the topic, any time a person win you in a 1vs2 situation, its a skill issue, you arent experienced enough, play more, become better… and never lose again…

Here is everything you need https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Guide-to-Thief-Guides

Its the guide of guides. Go to first page of that thread.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

And can’t you just see what would happen if they did add duels?

“x class is to powerful, nerf them”.
“y has an unfair advantage because they have x,y,z”.
“Anet needs to balance skills so all classes are equal in duels”.
“Heavy armor is to strong,”.
“Light armor is to weak”.
“my rare armored ele can’t stay alive when fighting an exotic out fitted warrior”.

Oh the joy!

I have played games with dueling. I don’t play them any longer.
Enough said.

First time you visit the forum I see, because Ive seen plenty of complains about classes weaknesses and strengths in 1vs1..

Like how backstab thief is OP…

Warriors suck…

Mesmer is OP…

Snow White.9680:

I’m a player, and I don’t want dueling.

I hate being asked to duel. Even when you turn off dueling requests people still jump around you calling you names because you’re “afraid” to duel them. The whole mindset duelers just really bugs me.

Although I think ANet could set up like cages or rings in major cities for players to fight in. Those who want to duel can enter, and people like me are not constantly being harassed in the open world to duel. Everybody wins.

What bugs you is idiots, not duelers.

Im a nice person, i like duels. I would never jump around, trying to force someone to duel.

Thieves are not overpowered…

I kill thieves all the time, and Im thief.

Basilisk venom, immobilize venom, steal, spam pistolwhip = Succes.

Depending of the amount of the thieves hp, you might need to dodge once or twice then skill number 2 into pistolwhip.

Im running full berserker gear with 12k hp.

I am by no mean a expert in Sword/pistol, i changed to it recently because it looks cool and as you say a rare sight in pvp, I am though an experienced glass cannon thief.

I run around trying to tag as many enemies as possible with clusterbomb and auto attack.

brunohstein.9038:

Those 250 points of power make all that difference?

I am speccing my thief on backstab after a long time using conditions, but I only hit for about 5k damage. I have 98% of critical damage, all my gear have power and critical damage, but I have no points in Deadly Arts tree.

Those 25 points in the deadly arts tree gives this:

Damage on steal for extra burst, usually steal does 4k damage.

5% extra dagger damage, you are using daggers.

10% extra damage when your target has a condition on it.

And 250power.

= All these bonuses gives a significant boost to your damage.

ShoeMoney.5249:

Ok I redid my traits

Gonna be weird for a bit not having so much survivability. Havent switched to ruby orbs… Just invested so much in those divinity lol

Yeah, those ruby orbs are alot cheaper and better. They give more precision and more power.

Seeing from your screenshot your crit chance is 35%.. thats really low.

You need full berserker gear, full berserker weapons, full berserker jewelry. This will give you 55% crit with the backstab build + more crit from trait that doesnt show on your character stat list.

The force sigil on weapon for 5% more damage and the sigil of air/fire in offhand for an extra 1.2k lightning bolt/fireblast every 5sec when you crit.

And, listen, you will be squishy. But you will kill people. Also, to do well, you need become comfortable with your thief and work on your skill as thief.

steal+cloak and dagger into a backstab into heartseek, most people are either dead or very close to dying. That is your defense.. if you cant kill the person, you have to run.

I have to run from most classes that are using tanky gear and trait builds, but i think its worth it against all other who isnt tanky :P

Here is my build, classic backstab. This build will increase your damage with 20% + more.

I crit 6k-10k on level 80 target, natural damage, no might stacking, no signet. 6k tanky – 10k on glass cannon.

Reason you arent doing that damage is your trait build, you focus more on survival than pure damage, for me thief survival as backstabber is pure damage, kill the enemy fast enough for him to not kill you.

Notice the difference in our stats.

When it starts lagging in eternal battleground after big stonemist fights, the attackspeed often gets increased by 50%, that makes you totally destroy people.

Remember, a thief who backstabs often have 10-14k hp and getting in 2 hits while he is trying to backstab you can take 10-50% of the hp, depending on your damage.

So thats kinda a big deal.

Dasorine.1964:

yeah the permenent stat sigils like +5% crit don’t stack but the condition duration ones do.

Ideally you do want a mix of condition and direct damage otherwise your instantly shut down by condition removal, plus with high precision you then open up your build to utilizing the many on crit effects and such which can be a nice boost. A mix of Carrion and Rabid is also a good choice to even out your defenses as said, but neither is actually that much better than the other.

As healing, both the regen boon given and the healing pulses from the stealth are both only around the 0.1 healing coefficient and the food doesnt scale at all, so in general even if you go full healing gear your only going to be looking at 200-300 health per second improvement at max while giving up about double that in damage from conditions alone when you add in the loss from the damage you’d do while applying the conditions with a higher crit or power score… well its not a good trade off for a class who doesn’t reduce damage coming in by much.

Mm, i never tried the apothecarys, I just thought it sounded good on paper with the healing avaible. Which I agree was stupid to give as a tip. /facepalm

But I still want to stand my ground on not using rabid gear, because even if you crit, the direct damage on pistol auto attack is hitting like a wet noodle because you arent focusing on +critdmg. This is my opinion(obviously), but both works, depends if you are prepared to offer the health for that small amount of direct damage.

Dasorine.1964:

Rissou.7213:

Signet of malice is a pve signet, its horrible in pvp, it offers bad healing. Hide in shadows is the only way to go.

Its not that bad if you have a high amount of hits and are evading a lot of damage but yeah Hide in Shadows or Withdraw tend to be slightly better

Rissou.7213:

The agony rune that gives 10% bleed doesnt stack on dualwield, so you only need one.

Yes it does.

Rissou.7213:

5% more damage on shortbow and harpoon is horrible, it doesnt increase the bleed damage, only direct damage. Choose remove condition on stealth instead because then you wont get your kitten handed to you versus other condition players.

With clusterbombs higher direct damage it can add to a fair bit specially if your shotgunning, the condition removal on stealth can be nice but you have to have a lot of access to stealth and be able to wait 3 seconds in stealth to get proper use out of it.

Rissou.7213:

I recommend using Carrion gear or apothecary instead of rabid, because rabid is horrible, the extra precision is useless for a p/d condition thief.

Apothecaries is just terrible the healing powers very little use to a thief unless stacking as many tiny scraps of healing you can possibly get and you’d still loose a fair bit of condition damage while precision from rabid gives a higher crit rate meaning all those attacks that are applying conditions are also hitting fairly hard, though a mix of rabid and carrion would be better for both a more even toughness/vit spread and a decent power/precision spread that help your attacks hit harder before your conditions take hold

Yep, I tested the agony runes, they stack, Im suprised they do since no other 5% rune stack. Thanks for that info!

The remove condition every 3 second is always at good use when you are Pistol/dagger, because you always go cloak and dagger for sneak attack so you can easily wait 3 seconds until it takes effect. Which will save your life vs any other condition stacking class.

Trying to go for direct damage when you focus everything on condition isnt good for thief, maybe works good for other classes like Ranger, but not for thief. Thief is really squishy already and going rabid would kitten yourself and make you not survive at all. You already have enough damage to kill anything you face with Carrion gear.

The reason I also said apothecary is because, you can choose trait that give 5 second regen every time you enter stealth + food that heal 80 every second + the trait that heals you while in stealth, which gives a fair amount of healing.

The reason why Pistol/dagger is so good is just because of the nice condition damage and the great survival due to stealth and healing in stealth.

CornBread.3268:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYEQNAqYVlcmaPXey5E+5EC3jk6oaKPFO4X1pAr0KA;T8AAzypESJlSNlSKKYMwIgxCjDGJMrDGBMDA
Thoughts?

Signet of malice is a pve signet, its horrible in pvp, it offers bad healing. Hide in shadows is the only way to go.

The agony rune that gives 10% bleed doesnt stack on dualwield, so you only need one.

5% more damage on shortbow and harpoon is horrible, it doesnt increase the bleed damage, only direct damage. Choose remove condition on stealth instead because then you wont get your kitten handed to you versus other condition players.

I recommend using Carrion gear or apothecary instead of rabid, because rabid is horrible, the extra precision is useless for a p/d condition thief.

LoneWolfie.1852:

Rissou.7213:

I would like to see what 10 good thieves can do with this build vs 30-40 zerglings.

40 zerglings will start to kitten one thief and then proceeding to the next thief, and then there were none.

I dont think so, which thief will they target long enough to kill with all the blind and stealth that is going on?

I would like to see what 10 good thieves can do with this build vs 30-40 zerglings.

Zaxares.5419:

Rafujin.1498:

just received one too. i wonder how they got my email :/

Do you receive similar phishing messages regarding selling WoW/Diablo 3/Runescape accounts? If so, that means your e-mail address is basically on a spam list that’s sold from one hacker to another. These are just giant databases of e-mail addresses that have been harvested from hacked websites/forums in the past. The hackers know that someone who plays an MMO is likely to go on to play more MMOs in the future, so they just spam these e-mail addresses with fake warnings for a variety of games in the hopes that someone will bite.

If you just ignore/block the spam messages, eventually they’ll stop coming because the hackers occasionally prune the databases to remove listings that bounce back or receive no responses. Until they sell the list to a new hacker and the whole process starts over.

Haha, I just checked one of my e-mails and what do you know, the spam filter is filled with Diablo 3, WoW and guildwars account notice warnings :P

Seriously, dont go dual pistol.

Its like cutting off both your arms and legs, then you look like a football and do you know what people do to footballs, they kick them while they are vulnerable on the ground.

With dual pistol, you will be other classes plaything, a toy to be kicked around for fun.

Seriously, go pistol / dagger, use auto attack, use cloak and dagger then stealth finisher – sneak attack. Repeat, repeat, repeat + some dodge and look at all other classes dead on the ground. Have fun. Take care. Good luck.

Here is a perfect suvival + condition pistol/dagger trait + rune build , Use carrion gear.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAqYVlUmaPXey5E+5EB3Dny0m6p4ritTBX1KA;TgAgyUwY8R4jdGHMyZGBA

Copy this link and put it in your browser.

Majora.6028:

2. You just “steal” gold from them, where they do not lose any, but you gain some.
That would be even more stupid. All someone would have to do is have a friend make a character in a different server, go to WvW, and stand there and steal from that character constantly. That would generate money without any effort.

Can you imagine the sight of 100 thief bots, spamming steal on each other in some remote location in WvWvW.

Yeah its horrible idea, tbh remove steal and just rename it teleport and give it abit lower cooldown. There is rarely anything useful you get from steal, except stealth from another thief.

Im abusing this daily with dual pistols, if i couldnt shoot other thieves through stealth with unload, i wouldnt be able to kill them.

Does that mean dual pistol need fix or channeled abilities?

Heres a good spot for trap killing

Since im usually camping jumping puzzle, I found out that you can put traps in the air which gives you quite enjoyable moments when people get immobilized during a high jump and falls to their death.

You stand on the edge of the ground and click the trap and jump off into the air and since the trap has an animation it gets put in the air instead of the ground where you stood earlier.

Both knockdown trap and immobilize trap works.

I just wanted to share this so you guys can have fun trolling people in jumping puzzles in WvWvW.

Have fun and keep up with the ganking.

Grizm.4560:

Midnightjade.3520:

It’s not a problem – my 8 foot Norn Guardian looks better in day-glo orange, pink and green anyhow. Blinds the opposition in WvW for the easy kill!

I don’t think the enemy can see your armor colors. They see you in the color of your team, red blue or green. Could be wrong on that though.

As for Abyss I’ve had 1 drop. Got it in one of the Shiverpeak areas.

Got 1 Celestial from the 10-pack of dyes bought with Laurels.

You are wrong on that one, in options you can choose to view team colors on everyone including your team, team colors on enemies only, or no team colors at all.

For me, I found 1 abyss months ago when it was worth 4gold, i sold it straight away and thought i was rich and i was so happy

RyuDragnier.9476:

My only take on it would be to make it so the thief cannot return to stealth unless the opponent loses sight of the thief via the environment. For example, thief comes out of stealth to hit another player in WvW. It connects, and the battle ensues. The thief cannot return to stealth until the player’s character itself loses sight of them (via not being able to autotarget them due to the opponent’s character being too far behind them), or the thief runs behind something that makes them impossible for the player’s character to see through, like a wall. Would work the same for normal mobs. Makes it a bit more realistic…now BRING THE CRITICISM (and possible flames).

That is not more realistic, it is more unrealistic.

Stealth is magic, it makes you invisible. Doesnt matter if you stare at me when I make myself stealth, you still wont see me.