Guild Wars 2

Frost.5017:

Some interesting stuff and some nice damage boost as well, but doesnt address the theif issue in pvp. Additionally, the buffs to medi guard means memser is going to likely be out in the cold still in the pvp scene.

Yeah… I’d hate to be a thief in the face of the onslaught that’ll be a rupt Mes in the coming game.

Anyway, DO DI CH
GS Sw/Pi or Sc/Pi Sw/Sw

DO = Confounding Suggestions – Furious Interruption – Power Block
DI = Phantasmal Fury or D/D – Evasive Mirror or Blade Training – Harmonious Mantras
CH = Master of Manipulations – Chaotic Transference or MoA – Chaotic Interruption

Mirror (if manip) or Ether Fest, Decoy, Blink, MoD, MI – Donsky.

Dahkeus.8243:

runeblade.7514:

Ross Biddle.2367:

kitten y Kshot War still looks great to me : D

ST AR DI – Rifle Sword/WH

ST = Restorative Strength – Body Blow – Berzerker’s Power
AR = Signit Mastery – Rending Strikes – Burst Precision
DI = Crack Shot – DoeT or Brawler’s Recovery – Burst Mastery

Good Times – STARDI

The problem is, PvP Warriors are simply not viable without Cleansing Ire.

Yea, sadly CI with LB is about the only thing that allows anything outside of shoutbow to even stand a chance against conditions and it doesn’t look like there’s any other viable option to handling conditions with these new traits…

War has high hp, plus the signit cleanse, plus the condi immunity- which on a high burst, high mobility build allows you to get in, do your business, and get out. It doesn’t suite all situations but certainly can be utilized for others.

Zarathustra.1458:

What happened to the mantra cooldown trait? I am kinda used to having MoD on a 24 second cooldown.

If it has vanished its more than likely baseline. Such as the +400 toughness on mantra channel.

MailMail.6534:

Also worth noting is how incredibly strong the Minor line is in Dueling. Like omg. Vigor is so important, but it’ll be a hard choice if you’re going for a condi build.

All Minors are inherent to a trait line. Adept + are your picks.

runeblade.7514:

Ross Biddle.2367:

kitten y Kshot War still looks great to me : D

ST AR DI – Rifle Sword/WH

ST = Restorative Strength – Body Blow – Berzerker’s Power
AR = Signit Mastery – Rending Strikes – Burst Precision
DI = Crack Shot – DoeT or Brawler’s Recovery – Burst Mastery

Good Times – STARDI

The problem is, PvP Warriors are simply not viable without Cleansing Ire.

If you’re talking Tornament play, fair call. Anything else, eh. I found myself playing Kshot war like a roaming dps thief/mes. That’s what the sw/wh are for, full mobility/disengage. If you don’t want to be dumped with conditions, don’t be there. That said, if you want to bunk on a point, take a better build :p

kitten y Kshot War still looks great to me : D

ST AR DI – Rifle Sword/WH

ST = Restorative Strength – Body Blow – Berzerker’s Power
AR = Signit Mastery – Rending Strikes – Burst Precision
DI = Crack Shot – DoeT or Brawler’s Recovery – Burst Mastery

Good Times – STARDI

I have no problem with DE there, especially given all the other goodies we’ll have (lets face it, it was 4 points in dueling as it is now anyway).

Fact is, if you can shine without DE then all the more power to you, and it’s possible (though very limited in build choice) now.

Trait changes will occur before HoT release.

StickerHappy.8052:

Ross Biddle.2367:

StickerHappy.8052:

Ross Biddle.2367:

StickerHappy.8052:

Too bad Thieves are still powerblock proof.
Revenant will be next in line for power block proofing.

Irrelevant if you’ve got CS and CI mixed in to the same build. Power Block is also Halting Strike, and weakness. Which will hit thieves hard. So the PB timer might not effect Thieves 0 cd skills, but the rest of it will hurt.

I get your point ross, but what I dont get is why still exclude classes on a GM trait?

I’m not sure. The wisdom of the masses (ill use the term wisdom loosly when it comes to thief players :p ) is that it’d impact the class mechanic to harshly.

That said, I should add, rupting other classes skills into a 15s cd is to hard to pass up.

Hmm..the masses… hahaha. When you try to visit the forums, thieves still act disappointed with the changes they will get even though a lot of them are great.

/slitwrist /emo LOL.

Thievery IS only half the reason why they wear all that black.

StickerHappy.8052:

Ross Biddle.2367:

StickerHappy.8052:

Too bad Thieves are still powerblock proof.
Revenant will be next in line for power block proofing.

Irrelevant if you’ve got CS and CI mixed in to the same build. Power Block is also Halting Strike, and weakness. Which will hit thieves hard. So the PB timer might not effect Thieves 0 cd skills, but the rest of it will hurt.

I get your point ross, but what I dont get is why still exclude classes on a GM trait?

I’m not sure. The wisdom of the masses (ill use the term wisdom loosly when it comes to thief players :p ) is that it’d impact the class mechanic to harshly.

That said, I should add, rupting other classes skills into a 15s cd is to hard to pass up.

StickerHappy.8052:

Too bad Thieves are still powerblock proof.
Revenant will be next in line for power block proofing.

Irrelevant if you’ve got CS and CI mixed in to the same build. Power Block is also Halting Strike, and weakness. Which will hit thieves hard. So the PB timer might not effect Thieves 0 cd skills, but the rest of it will hurt.

Well then, new build trait layout will be

DO DU CHA – Saying 6 6 6 is redundant now :p Also it’d mean all builds are of the devil – Anet new trait system philosophy :p

But I could see some fun DO DU INS

Illusions, while practical for many reasons, is the most boring of the lines.

So is iDuelist baseline 1200 range now?

Ohh yea, CS an Adept
http://i.imgur.com/IVzYWca.jpg

Ill of Vul + CS + Furios Interruption + Power Block

“The core specializations changes are coming before HoT, elite will come with HoT.”

cardsharp.7218:

I guess they really did NOT like clone on-death builds. A fairly unique playstyle of Mesmer thrown into the garbage. The other changes are fairly good, though.

On clone death builds are so early 2014.

skcamow.3527:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Trait : You get Mirror (2 sec) on manipulation use

Does this mean you get the heal on manip use, plus the reflect?

Yes
4 seconds of reflects with one Mirror usage.

Mirror new heal for non-DE builds :p

Now they just need to fix the other manips, and you got yourself some good times.

Trait : You get Mirror (2 sec) on manipulation use

Does this mean you get the heal on manip use, plus the reflect?

Chaos Archangel.5071:

This drip feed of info is killing me. This express bus needs to get me home faster!

I can’t even access twitch :p I have to wait for you slackers to dribble the drips ;D

Fay.2735:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Anet just broke Pyro.

I’m not Pyro

Hey look, an imposter.

Anet just broke Pyro.

Tealots.6095:

oooooooh is Fay Pyro? Is that who was annihilating me in the arena the other day?

One in the same. Full blown split personality disorder.

FranzM.1298:

Sebrent.3625:

I thought I’d try to look up a shield shooting lasers …

… but when I googled “shield laser”, a picture of a pistol came up …

I’d laugh my head off if we were getting trolled.

https://www.google.com/search?q=shield+laser&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Nss3Vcu2F4SYNvaVgKgO&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=741&bih=616

I know everyone says “that was a mesmer in the video and they were wearing a shield and the ability was a clock” as if that sets everything in stone …

HAHAHAH IM DYING X) the irony is too real. Most of the speculation i’ve seen is about Mesmer getting main hand pistol. Even though we are only getting one NEW weapon and it may be offhand (shield), pistol isn’t exactly a NEW weapon for Mesmer now is it. Hence why we could be getting both. Oh Mesmers, you crafty little rule breakers X)

The problem is that this assumes the Devs were using word play when they made that statement. Which they weren’t…

Tealots.6095:

Yes! Fun to watch. I need to try out power/lockdown builds in WvW more. I just have this thing where I think hybrid makes way more sense there…

Hybrid does make more sense. Running full power/glass isnt so great for roaming due to outnumbered fights. Just can’t eat the pressure. But it is good for small group stuff. Also ever satisfying.

That said I don’t really WvW anymore so…

I realize I swapped the traits out in WvW to go GS sword/focus.

Golemancer.

Love me that golem ;D

Won’t solve your speed issue though.

Tealots.6095:

Gotcha. Also, there’s a YT vid of a Charr mesmer out there running your build in WvW. Fun to watch.

Was it this guy?

Because yeah, he’s awesome. Makes me wish I was a pro phantrupt player :D

Tealots.6095:

Look at Charr Tealot/Tolaet go.

@Ross: You’re actually running my preferred Phantrupt traits when I ran it a while back. My only question is what made you choose your current weaponset over Sword-Sword/Scepter-Pistol?

I don’t know. I’ve just been kitten ing around a lot. I think I put the GS on in WvW and started mixing things around. For whatever reason I traited up that way in PvP too. It’s not the same of course. I don’t have that counter pressure and have to duke in and out of fights more in various situations I wouldn’t with the other weapons, but it just means a change in role and rotations. I spend more time at mid instead of hitting the sides solo.

Dand.8231:

the warrior profession will have a new way to spend adrenaline, and a new way to interact with their adrenaline bar.

Interesting. We’ve long suspected an F2 is coming. Getting confirmation is great!

But “and new way to interact” was mentioned too. What could that mean? A new way to generate adrenaline?

We already have gain adrenaline options when:
Hitting
Getting Hit
Swapping
Over time in combat
Activating Certain Utility Skills

The ability to spend it 1 bar at a time? So you can split your use over multiple effects for more powerful, but not completely powerful skills. (1 bar kshot, 1 bar heal, 1 bar Eviscerate)

Leonhardt.8164:

Who cares about lockdown? I only care about high DPS which is something mesmer completely lacks in

You’re not locking them down correctly.

Neurophen.9738:

Fun, but that mantra heal would drive me nuts.

Without the extra charge I wouldnt take it.

In WvW I’d also agree, just not enough healing.

In PvP however, the rules of engagement are different and it works. But again, only with the bonus charge. I think the reason being that so much of the damage you’d take would be due to being pinned beneath chilled, cripple, and imob. Remove those and you’re mostly free to gtwo of the way.

MailMail.6534:

Came for the music. Stayed for the interrupts.

Lol

I’m currently running 6, 6, 0, 2 – Which is Phantrupt with Menders. Just sticking with this means that you’ve suddenly got a fully fledged Phantasm Interrupt build on the table as you get those phantasm benefits. That’s interesting. Not necessary (outside of moar phant damage) but certainly interesting.

Lynch, Tealot, and I went and ran some lockdown action in PvP so I threw together another vid of the madness. Match thread this time, no montage.

Also guys, I put that double iWave 2x Guardian pinball moment I mentioned at the start, 6 second mark ;D

Also figured out why that MI failed leading to the stomp of Tea at 8:25. Some random fear -_-u. At least it wasnt my fault :D

DuckDuckBOOM.4097:

Dadnir.5038:

They also announced a specialisation with traps. Feel like it’s for the mesmers and I must say (even if I’m against this specialization name) that it could fit for the so called chronomancer that would be able to trap it’s foes in temporal loops…

0/0/6/0/0/6 with a wild card!
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Superior_Rune_of_the_Trapper
Super speed and stealth on trap
Illusion spam!
PU!!!
Get nerfed =/

It’s a cool idea but could wind up broken mostly because of those runes. I think the traps are going to go towards a class that can “abuse” stealth with more traits. They could nerf the runes but that’s unlikely.

Have you ever used trapper runes? There’s nothing worse than dropping a trait that deals damage, gets triggered just after you drop it, and sticks you in revealed when you don’t want it :p

Zenith.7301:

Kazhiel.8194:

Who cares about PVE o.o WVW and PVP ftw.

zerg play or dealing with turret engis and shoutbows and thieves sounds like so much fun…

As opposed to free casting, face tanking, 1 spamming mindless AI.

It’s a wonder why anyone plays any aspect of this game at all :p

Zarathustra.1458:

There is the saying, “Have faith and faith shall be given unto you” So if we believe we have a mainhand pistol, anet will give us one? To be honest, I fully expect anet will end up caving and giving a mainhand pistol when the mesmers start demanding refunds for HoT under false advertising law, you lot should check out Australian consumer law, if what Mesmer’s get can be proven to be not as good as three additional mainhand skills then they would be forced to refund all Australian purchases :P

Clearly you’ve never watched Team America: World Police.

Tealots.6095:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Tealots.6095:

Haven’t watched the vid yet, but I’m really excited to look at myself. I was running classic mindcrush traits (I think). 64400.

Staff/Sword-Pistol because I simply cannot get a handle on off-hand sword.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAsaWlknpGttqxMNcrNipxYyeih0B0wAlMkxB-TZRAwAHeAAAOCA42fwzpAAdZAA

Usually when I play with other Mesmers, based on the builds they’re running I can’t really feel their presence (unless they’re dropping some glamors or something). But all that power, with CS stopping people in their tracks, and the two of our iSwaps for the 2.5s imobs was just super nasty for our opponents. Oh, and so much pistol stun

Guuuuuud.

I think I was making as effective use of Feedback as I could those matches. Like predicting when those guardians were going to spin. It’s a nasty combo to let them hit themselves and land the halting strike right at the end of it.

Also, a lot of my control comes from dropping a chaos storm on someone. If I were running CI, they would only be caught in the storm if they were interrupted. With CS, the stun chance forces them to sit in it no matter what. By this point, I’ve set up clones for a chain diversion and I’m summoning an iWarlock.

I’m tempted to pick up empowered illusions, but I find shattered concentration too necessary when I’m so reliant on dazes, and halting strike is a pretty important source of damage.

Yeah, if you’re taking empowered illusions it means waiting for that stabos to run out. Which is fine but only so long as your build has something to do while you wait. So staff is less represented in that scenario, primarily because iWarlock is best after a chaos storm condi dump, and because his attack is so slow. iDuelist, iZerker, and iSwordsman in collaboration with one another make the payoff/investment more worth it.

Laraley.7695:

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Warrior main, Necromancer second, Ele third…

I find that the Mesmer now, aside from CI Interrupt Mesmer, does not even come close on the playstyle of capitalizing of mistakes from an enemy…
Interrupts are potentially so dang cool, but aside from 1v1’s, their potential just falls apart…

What I would like to see happen with Mesmers is getting the Domination Magic back in their hands, and reward them with an active interrupt style of play – capable but not restricted to 1v1’s

Imagine a trait like this;
Daze all enemies for 0.5s in an area upon interrupting a skill (range 900-1200)
This would punish a whole team when playing against an Interrupt Mesmer, fearing spamming certain combos or chains because said Mesmer could literally make you incapable of fighting for a few seconds…

I’m afraid that this would make Halting Strike too strong. The problem with interrupt mesmer is that many people who play it just spam daze mantra and and hope for a random interrupt. This trait would actually support bad gamplay just because there’s almost always something to interrupt. It wouldn’t be a trait that would require some thinking, just luck to interrupt and get Halting Strike to proc. And at the same time it wouldn’t improve the gameplay of players who think about their gameplay because the intterupt would be just another aoe cc and mesmers have those already. It wouldn’t punish anyone, because there’s literally nothing you can go about a cc with no cast time, it would just be annoying.

I’m sorry, spamming a limited number of available dazes is bad gameplay, but being a player who’s spamming attacks (channeled AA’s more likely) in the face of an interrupt Mesmer isnt? And that’s being generous. The window for landing interrupts is so narrow, if you’re spamming your dazes/cc’s you’re going to miss. And once you’re out your interrupt build is left weak and vulnerable.

You might have a fair point vs the suggested trait, but your misconceived with regards to interrupt mesmers in general.

Just as a side, wasting your Dazes on AA’s for HS procs is a great way to lose a fight. Waiting for key defensive interrupts, or offensive such as vs Healing skills, is good, superior play.

Sweeps.3059:

Thanks alot for the reply’s. I firmly be-leave that the mesmer forums are the most helpful out of any.
Any chance you can give me a link to a build or should i just go with the one on meta builds and tweek it to how I like?

Third post in the link Fay offered. It contained builds….

• Mesmer is a challenging class to play
• It strokes my cerebral cortex. “The cerebral cortex plays a key role in memory, attention, perceptual awareness, thought, language, and consciousness.”
• Purrrrrr

Malsheem.1794:

Just wanted to check..

CS+Rune of the Mesmer only shows 1-1/4 sec on daze ingame. In my builder however, it shows 1-3/4 as it should. Is it just me or am i missing something ?

Most all tooltips are broke, and every patch you should expect any past fixed ones to get rebroke.

I say traited pistol. Here’s a vid from the other day
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/OMFG-Tealot-and-Buton-go-BOOM/first#post4993155

I love the sword, I really do. But it has its shortcomings. The phant is a close range phant compared to iDuelist, and the block takes hits before the riposte.

Madisonlee.9641:

I am so sick of shatter that I’ve been having fun with interrupt builds recently, my fav so far is a double ranged, I run:

Scept/pistol staff zerkers travellers a/f a/f (you can replace the staff with GS, but I find the defense and ranged daze of staff negates it’s lower damage)

6/6/0/2/0 Halting Strike, Shattered Concentration, CS
Far-reaching, Duelist Discipline, HM
Mender Purity

It’s pretty fun, in team fights I stay at 1200 range (with phantasms strategically placed at far range to not die easily) and I have a plethora of interrupts with 3 power locks, staff 5, pistol 5, and diversion which all are dazes and have chances to stun b/c of CS

I only shatter to remove important enemy boons, quick burst, or distortion so I don’t find I need deceptive evasion with this play style because it kills my strategically placed phantasms when I need to dodge something.

so at range I have phants for sustain, interrupts for burst and denial, and air/’fire on both weapons for more burst at range.

I have the defense of the staff and the block on scepter ( which btw is a very underestimated power weapon, 3 on it does a really nice burst and the block damage can get huge)

and the biggest bonus IMO is the CONDI REMOVAL. 6 condis gone with a click 2 by 2. I can’t be fear spammed, I can’t be CC spammed, it has aided my survival sooo much and feels sooo good; the CD is extremely low., only downside is recharging mantras which I use LOS and invis to do.

cons: thieves will kill you more easily than if you were playing gs/ s/t shatter, because your main source of damage can’t easily be summoned when you’re perma blinded (phantasms) and you lack the extra invis from torch. Ironically, gs s/t shatters have been murdering me as well, again because of the extra invis and sudden burst that 1 shots.

Also not as good of AoE over shatter obviously, and lacks the portal over power lock

Here’s Phantrupt, which is 6, 6, X but sword/sword scepter/pistol – Vids and all
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Build-Phantrupt-Asskicker-CS-Interrupt/first#

Here’s a similar setup only with sword/pistol GS – More mantras/cleanse, more AoE capabilities
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAsaRl0npRtlpxGNcrNiphcqqkORgBlu0pFA-TVBXwARUCCQ5Hr9HCpPYp6PkCAmtAA-w

and a vid http://youtu.be/fMJg3krWBcQ

Hoaxintelligence.4628:

I was expecting some higher killshot crit tbh, what are you runnig atm?

I had Berserker’s Power on. I only just learned that its bugged and It’s only worth taking Burst Precision for the time being. Otherwise it’s 6, 2, 0, 0, 6, fully tricked damage.

Well I shouldn’t say only. But for the sake of the kshot it is. The bonus damage on regular skills is great, but when it’s coming down to clutch kshots to down targets… it makes things a little clearer. Sort of.

So its NA, 12pm, Saturday 30 May.

So for me this is- Auckland, 5am, Sunday 31 May.

That’s like the one day off I have of the week. So I’m down. Regular practice would be the most difficult part since a one day commitment is one thing, but filing multiple whatevers over the course of the next month might be challenging. So that’s the major point of contention.

Vin, edit a Roster into the OP.

11k Killshot, you got lucky there.

Fay.2357:

jportell.2197:

There is heavy speculation that we may get a main hand pistol since the devs said we are getting something “just as good” kitten new total weapon skills. But who knows

No, there was heavy speculation about mainhand pistol. Then the devs said explicitly that each class would only be getting a single new weapon.

Oddly enough, there still is some speculation about a mainhand pistol. Why there still is, one can only guess.

If we can maintain the speculation long enough and foster a genuine belief we’re getting it somewhere along the line by raw fiat, then when HoT is released and the MH pistol isn’t there we can lament Anet’s failure, betrayal, and hatred for the Mesmer class.

It’s quite the shell game.

Hello Warrior forum. I’m an avid scrub warrior player. I main mes but every now and then I like to go kitten on a killshot warrior. It’s the only warrior spec I’ve ever played (I only rolled and leveled a war to do it) and I find it a lot of fun.

Anyway when I was a kid I used to watch the “Plays of the week” on the Friday Night news, covering the top ten plays of the week from various sports. Sometimes I get those sorts of moments while playing a Kshot war, so I thought I’d post one up (and would love to see more).

Here’s a full match for those who like this sort of thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b7vb_3nZF4

Feel free to criticize my scrub warrior build, and mad warrior skillz as you see fit :D

Fun times.

MailMail.6534:

CS is so underrated.

Shhh, the IP Shatter Mesmer Purist Association™ might come slap a lawsuit on you.

So I asked my Anet buddy why Mesmers are so limited in mainhand weapons?

Perhaps the limitation is in HIS mind, and not in the class.

So there you go.