Guild Wars 2

Guys, on a side note

thieves jus got insanely nerfed to their SE trait from removing conditions to an ICD of 10seconds and we can also reveal them now for 4s on shout… I want to see every ranger perform their rightful duty and own the kitten out of thieves asap.

It’s a shout application on cast I’m sure since they said it can’t be dodged. Also, this is purely for support reasons in group play as this is a mostly support patch, not because rangers can’t manage their pets.

But since it seems to work better for us in 1on1s, well, guess it’s time to go destroy some thieves!

Stx.4857:

NO thief will use that new immobilize. It drains all their initiative for like 3 seconds total. The venom takes a utility slot that will instead be used for shadowstep, shadow refuge, or another better utility.

Have to agree with him here, this will be used as a very last effort to keep runners from a group fight from getting away. I really don’t think there’s that much to worry about.

Haha I’m in the videos

Nice work sol, music epic like always

Looks like a video full of you hitting 5 -> 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 5 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 , 6 , F1

Karolis.4261:

PopeUrban.2578:

Sanduskel.1850:

actually thieves CAN attack and remain stealthed. I’ve done it many times.

Permastealth trolling is an obvious exception to the rule, and something we’ve been saying should be addressed for a long time on these forums… yet somehow it still exists.

It’s fun though! Just like perplexity runes and Warrior WTFregen builds, enjoy it while it lasts because it’s broken and headed for nerf city.

The only possible way to do that is CnD chaining and, as said multipple times allready, If someone fails at stopping thief from doing that he deserves to be CnD’ed to death. 1234 block, dodge, cc.

Could you say that to my pet that can’t dodge please?

Good thoughts, too much work for devs to do really.. Still haven’t fixed bow mechanics / pet f2 mechanics etc yet. If it were to change in this direction, it wouldn’t be for a long time, talking 6 months minimum for changes on this level.

[PACT] warrior with stun confusion perplexity build , way to get absolutely wrecked and then alt f4 out of the game after losing. Never seen so much garbage from a server as I have this night in CD Borderlands.

Also, 15 man CD group 10 of em hammer warriors, and theyre all kittening bad at their class, really guys? Get continually wrecked by us with even numbers then call in 10 more to come help your kitten . Jesus christ so kittening bad

I guess transforming into mist and being able to stomp and res people is alright though, cool, thanks Anet!

Legion.1569:

So all trash talk aside, my take on these 2 servers

Magumma: To be honest mag has some good blobbing guilds, had some good gvg’s and fights with VR and Ark (before they got interrupted) They also have some decent roamers in Aon even though you guys tend to run in groups far larger then a typical roaming group ( apart from Aon all the mag roaming guilds are terrible, just look at swag lolololol)

FA: Has by far the worst player skill per player of any server ive faced (and i think ive faced everyone but T1 at this point.) Just awful on every level, from large group to small man to solo. I dont think FA is tanking this matchup i just think there so terribad that when they cant zerg down another group 3 to 1 they just get crushed

Just my thoughts on the matchup

Lol what

matty.4907:

amanda.6178:

Ryan.8367:

matty.4907:

I can’t believe all the smack talk that mag did and yet we’re still outplaying both servers. Just look at the points. Now that’s what you call superior tactics and skill. You could learn a thing or two from SBI mag. Like how not to fail miserably.

Lol

Oh, SBI. You so funny. You should take that on the road.

No, really. Get out.

On the rankings road, right past maguuma! “Superior tactics and skill.” Biggest joke I’ve ever heard. Most over-hyped server in NA. The almighty maguuma is just another server full of zerging baddies.

I’ve killed you once while roaming unless you’re not the only one in that guild. If you are, I’d suggest practice.

matty.4907:

I can’t believe all the smack talk that mag did and yet we’re still outplaying both servers. Just look at the points. Now that’s what you call superior tactics and skill. You could learn a thing or two from SBI mag. Like how not to fail miserably.

Lol

I agree, and the couple BM builds I run seem to do pretty well against mace/stun variants but I was looking to achieve more of a defensive shutting down/direct dmg burstier build for them. I was curious if anybody was able to try it out.

I have 75% of the cav trinkets and lack the orrian runes but will try afflicted x4 instead to achieve similar results. Spider pet is a good suggestion for the poison field (leap into it for weakness as well) and immobilize but I have the rest of the stuff and will try it out in action today against some of the warriors I know that we’re currently facing in WvW and see how it goes.

Hello folks,

I have come up with a foundation for a duel build against bunker mace stun/gs warriors running healing signet. The idea is based around a strong poison uptime & duration with semi decent burst. Poison uptime is crucial to keep the healing signet from doing it’s work so this is a ‘wear down’ build for fighting them. This is only for mace stun direct damage warrior duels.

5 Procs of poison essentially with 90% poison duration on top of these procs:

1. Orrian runes x4 proc 10s of poison every 10s (5% chance)
2. Doom on shortbow
3. Doom on horn
4. Serpent’s strike
5. Poison Volley

It is equipped with 2 stun breaks to be used very efficiently and perma speed helps mobility alot with warhorn/rao/weapon swap procs.

48% crit chance in combat with spotter trait and near perma fury with weapon swap/horn#5/rao utility putting it at 68%. This may be able to be min/maxed.

The one reason why I decided not to go 30 in WS is for a couple things, the precision and power/condi duration in the power tree for more direct damage but also that i don’t reallythink conditions are an issue against mace stun/gs warriors.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNBlYDbEoqyuvSxi1OQsUIo93UwJzzeYIGtoCGVB-jEDBYfCyEGQUHBOBaIrJSRsWKs1YDRTbDTDDSFbI12bYWzER1SBsoyI-w

Let me know what you guys think

Edit: I suppose this same principle can be used against bunker/burst hammer – gs warriors as well.

Amurond.4590:

Ryan.8367:

Total number of SBI rangers with longbow and bear pets slaughtered yesterday

7

Keep em coming!!

Lawl are you the ranger I ran into on my Guard south of ruins the other day?

Probably

Andy.9137:

Ryan.8367:

Andy.9137:

if anyone wants to organise some 2v2s, let me know.

Who’s your 2nd, Retaliation?

SOMETHING SOMETHING OP ENGINEER.

edit: actually it’s my beard!

Haha, pickle beard op!

Jyeoi.6027:

Where are the old school mag with whom I fought against… Shadow Moon [SM] for instance???

All the ones I see here are new mag wannabes.

Alot of what you see is old mag, just different guild names.

etrigan.4213:

Jyeoi.6027:

Where are the old school mag with whom I fought against… Shadow Moon [SM] for instance???

All the ones I see here are new mag wannabes.

Whatever…lol @ [SM], is if they were ever a factor.

The real question for MAG is where Bunzy went lol.

He went to practice being a good d/d elementalist. He’s still practicing.

Andy.9137:

if anyone wants to organise some 2v2s, let me know.

Who’s your 2nd, Retaliation?

Total number of SBI rangers with longbow and bear pets slaughtered yesterday

7

Keep em coming!!

The good d/d elementalist i know in wvw seem to do fine against anything except Necromancers (we all know how broken they are though, this isn’t a testament to how bad d/d ele is) and perplexity spammers. I see them winning otherwise and being very good in team play too though. Maybe the complainers are just bad but to be fair some of the eles i know are some of the best in game. But I do admit, necros are broken and perplexity simply needs to just be removed from the game.

I think some of our weapons do have support roles, they’re not huge but they are support. You can snare a warrior on of your backline/group member , stun an important person trying to get away so he can get bursted down by the group and that’s with shortbow alone. Auto attack on sword has nice snare capabilities and keeping poison on bunker targets is pretty big.

Fire field from torch offhand is good for placing down right before players blast/leap into it (i usually place them down right before i know a warrior is gonna earthshaker a group etc), its free might. Dagger offhand also snares and bleeds.

I think our soft cc in the form of group support is rather nice but yea could be alot better.

Raven.9603:

Super Kruegs.8967:

Question for Mag. We all know SBI is full of baddies (literally at TC bag levels with half the population), but has anyone over there noticed the LARGE amount of horrible rangers on SBI. Now I know in W3 rangers are bad to start with, but i swear I’m not inflating numbers when i say my 5 man hit squad on Sunday killed the same ranger 8 times, and last night we killed another ranger 6 times in like 2 hours on map. We had a n camp fight where we killed the yet a third ranger 4 times kept coming back to deliver more bags. Anyone else getting obscene amounts of ranger bags?

Theres tons of bad rangers on every server.

SBI is home to Xsorus, arguably one of the best WvW rangers in the game. Maybe when we hit T1 we can recruit Exploits too.

He runs BM, not that impressed

Let me know what ya think … Works off 2 major principles, bleed duration and shout regen/swiftness.

I put it together rather quickly:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQRAnY8fnAV0FcfFKWwaZAZVQQaP4EzDTcPGFUJEP4XtH-jkDBYiS0IOAUAAUgQkHgUIw5RFRjtgJI1Mht8JaKZER1aGYmbER1OEYSBso0I-w

105% bleed duration / 50% condi duration with the food

Wild + Regen providing decent sustain + higher toughness.

A/D + S/T weaponset for condi synergy and good evasion

Blimm.5028:

I´m not talking about balancing a single build, but the profession. And I don´t intend to groundnerf all of it but SLIGHTLY reduce the numbers involved.

The adrenalin thing however:
Thief SHOULD loose stealth when he fails his attack.
Mesmer does loose his clones when they fail to hit.
Ranger F1 goes on CD when it fails.
Warriors not loosing that adrenaline doesn´t make sense because dodging warrior F1 is basically useless.

“Ranger F1 goes on CD when it fails.”

F1 is pet auto attack , learn the class before you try to nerf something about it. I assume you mean F2. I don’t know if you realize this, but F2 is probably one of the most broken mechanics about the ranger pet. It goes on cooldown and doesn’t even go off sometimes as it is – it’s utterly broken. Oh, and I also forgot to mention – IT ALREADY DOES THIS. If you’re out of range, the f2 still goes off, it goes on full cooldown. IF the player blocks it, is invulnerable at the time, it goes on full cooldown. If you yourself even moves fast right after casting the f2 , it goes on cooldown because it’s broken and bugged to kitten.

I’m willing to teach some of these SBI rangers man. Put away the kittening longbow and bear pet. It makes me sad everytime I see it. Christ, I even saw a [CAT] ranger with full zerker gear and a pig pet. Really? :|

You beat them by learning what the necro skills are and what they can do to you in a duel. Roll one up and practice with it, figure out it’s weaknesses. I know warriors have just about everything now, but it still takes skill to play.

Crovax.7854:

I play both and yes, p/d counters warriors pretty hard.
Don’t bother fighting as he can get away any time if he is losing
and you will just be worn down over time.
On the plus side – p/d isn’t really good at chasing fleeing targets.

theyre getting an immob on #2 next patch

I think SBI has the worst players I’ve ever seen since I’ve been roaming. Holy kitten you guys are bad.

Thief seems pretty fine in 1on1s, but in teams i think it lacks, but it has it’s niche roll in taking out important backline / targets in general, just pressure alone by thieves in the backline is huge support.

The thieves I know and practice with are some of the best in the game , namely Triggerless, etc and I will say he has no issues beating people in duels/1on1 roaming combat. There’s no reason why any other thief shouldn’t either.

The thief skill ceiling is ridiculous and people just whine about the class being underpowered but it’s actually really good albeit lacking in terms of team support in ways.

electriette.8952:

kartek.6428:

sbi has the best roamers i have ever encountered

I was QQing to my friends about being hit by a 2k steal, 6k cnd and a 10k backstab while stunned with basilisk venom. That just depresses me.

warrior op then?

That just means you need to slot stun breaks

PvP ranger is much different than WvW ranger. Other classes benefit 100% more from rune/food/sigil stacking than you do in PvP. In PvP ranger is much more potent, in WvW it’s more diluted. Keep in mind our pet stays the same when transitioning from PvP/WvW but classes get 100% of their benefits because they rely on the stats unlike our pet. WvW is much more open and mobile compared to PvP which also, directly hurts our pets as they don’t deal with movement too well and can also be abused.

I think ranger honestly suffers from the most imbalance between both PvP/WvW than any other class.

I mean if you’re referring to any PvE gameplay , they’ve received hard nerfs for absolutely no reason other than 2 builds in PvP alone.

I just don’t think people complaining about WvW ranger can be responded to by people who exclusively play PvP , it’s just a completely different ballgame and different stat mixtures and everything.

Some of it’s learn to play, and maybe in this case it is but WvW ranger is underpowered compared to PvP no matter how you look at it, not because of anything necessarily to the ranger, but like I said, every other classes benefit ALOT more when they setup stat mixtures off to WvW.

The truth of the matter is that when you compare both WvW/PvP , like I said above the pet is still the same, there is no difference in the pet however the classes get better, meaning more damage to your pet. Other players can stack insanely higher health/toughness , which hurts the pets offensive prowess moreso than in PvP. There’s alot of different factors that go into WvW than in PvP (addition of bloodlust also plays into this but since than can be stacked into the ranger’s favor also i guess it doesn’t matter much) that directly hurt our class.

That’s speaking from playing WvW ranger since beta and literally doing nothing but dueling and roaming since then. I don’t play PvP that much, but when I did, I found it EXTREMELY easier to play in with my ranger than I ever have against the same type of skilled players PvP is just more barebones, it’s limited in it’s amulet options, and rangers tend to benefit more from those amulet options than other classes (namely shaman’s amulet).

edit I should also add after watching Eurantien play, he definitely knows his kitten and is a killer kitten ranger and I would actually encourage alot of rangers to look at his gameplay styles and pick up what you can. Same with Saizo Sol, both [FML] rangers are extremely good. But you don’t hold point bunker in WvW, you roam/zerg and in the case for most good rangers – they’re usually roaming and dueling and not zerging.

Also, since pets/spirits will be receiving a 70% buff to their health in WvW/PvE this may help alot. Also, I believe in the new dungeon pets are immune to some AoE’s which is a good start in the right direction in combating aoe damage for the pet.

I’m also not saying ranger is bad in WvW, there’s a reason why I play ranger in WvW – while there are some builds that I almost can’t win against (warriors are extremely difficult now along with necros although against condi once you learn what you need to avoid they’re becoming alot easier) it’s still very fun and I win my fair share of the duels I’m in. I just think there’s a huge imbalance between those 2 areas and one area gets balanced based off the other (in this case and in the history of ranger it’s usually balanced in wvw based on performance in pvp). If you were to look at the PvP standpoint, you’d see rangers being one of the highest classes played on top teams, but that’s because they fill a niche role that can’t be filled in WvW and that build is not effective at all in WvW due to higher aoe dmg, etc.

You have 1,000 power with 1,000 condi dmg with 9% crit chance. Look how much you had to waste to get that much boon duration. You’re just going to find yourself stalemating with most players man and get broken down by thieves/mesmers. You just don’t have any offensive prowess. The 90% is cool and all, but I highly doubt it’ll matter or make a competitive difference to a good player and especially to a player who can steal those boons like a thief, you’re just hurting yourself against someone like that.

I’ll give it a try though and test it out myself and let you know how it goes, thanks for the writeup.

Setun.4368:

Aza.2105:

You are mistaken by talking with me as I’m a victim of warrior OP stuns. I’m speaking objectively, not subjectively like yourself.

I’ll ask you this, you are saying why should someone be able to face roll by spamming 12345. Apply that to yourself if you play a warrior, why should they be allowed to face roll by spamming stun completely disabling the player. I’d say players like yourself are more interested in player vs target than player vs player.

Please stop. You saying warrior stuns are OP because your stun breakers can’t keep up with them and therefore need a nerf makes about as much sense as me saying conditions are OP and need to be nerfed because my soldier’s rune shouts can’t cure conditions fast enough or that conditions pile up too fast when berserker’s stance is on CD.

You can attack while you have conditions, im confused on the logic used here.

“I’m also noticing that you are part of a very small but vocal minority, only you and maybe 3 others are actively campaigning for this view of Warriors being OP.”

This is the most merged topic ever in the existence of the Guild Wars 2 forum, mostly from before it was moved to the warrior sub-forum.

I dunno man, there’s alot of people who don’t even come to these forums who are VERY vocal about it in game as well.

Just sayin

Kovu.7560:

Had some fun duels with Maguuma @ south DB BL tonight. Shout outs to the Ranger, Necro and assorted Warriors. Good fun! The Ranger in particular taught me a couple of tricks to tweak my build slightly. I’m always learning. =)

~ Kovu

Great duels, was alot of fun!

Jinks.2057:

Ryan.8367:

Jinks.2057:

Ryan.8367:

We don’t GvG because we don’t field numbers for a GvG, hence why we 5v5’d GF instead of a full on GvG and won a majority of those anyway.

It’s ok, Jinqueeta is a horrid d/p thief who relies too heavily on the 5->2 combo. How about this, next time we duel I’ll whisper you 5->2 each time you do it while we’re dueling and we’ll count how many times I whispered you by the end of our 20 minutes duel because you disengage and reset with it way too much.

Complaining about thieves is soooo winter 2012.

Dontcha know we’ve moved onto condis and perplexity

You’ve never killed me and never have come close to killing me in duels, there’s really nothing to complain about. You’re just bad.

I actually find it amusing how much you rely on 5->2 to disengage. Since I duel Beautykills/Triggerless non-stop in PvP you’re simple compared to them.

Sorry =[

what duels are you talking about???

the chance 1v1’s that your guildies came rushing down to save you???

LOL w/e mate

The duels where you fought me for about 15 minutes and you finally gave up after not being able to kill me with your stupid kitten d/p build after you would continually pop out of stealth, get knocked down to 20% health then spam 5→2 back to safety and rinse and repeated. Turtle Puncher was there and was laughing in party chat while we dueled, not sure why you’re acting like it never happened. I was running a horrible duel build and testing stuff out too , that’s the sad part. Shrug

And if you’re talking about a 1on1 we had south of ruins, where you never got me below 90% health and some random pugs jumped in not even my guildies then you’re sadly mistaken. You jumped me and still failed to seal the deal.

Like I said, after dueling some of the best thieves on Mag in pvp just about everyday you’re a walk in the park. You’re nothing special and I’m sorry that the truth hurts so much. Just another 5→2 spammer like the rest.

Jinks.2057:

Ryan.8367:

We don’t GvG because we don’t field numbers for a GvG, hence why we 5v5’d GF instead of a full on GvG and won a majority of those anyway.

It’s ok, Jinqueeta is a horrid d/p thief who relies too heavily on the 5->2 combo. How about this, next time we duel I’ll whisper you 5->2 each time you do it while we’re dueling and we’ll count how many times I whispered you by the end of our 20 minutes duel because you disengage and reset with it way too much.

Complaining about thieves is soooo winter 2012.

Dontcha know we’ve moved onto condis and perplexity

You’ve never killed me and never have come close to killing me in duels, there’s really nothing to complain about. You’re just bad.

I actually find it amusing how much you rely on 5→2 to disengage. Since I duel Beautykills/Triggerless non-stop in PvP you’re simple compared to them.

Sorry =[

Entioch.6594:

Jinks.2057:

I dunno wtf is up w/ this Swag drama, but I do know that they refuse to GvG GF. They also post videos of them “roaming” which is nothing but a compilation of their guild zerging ppl down.

I’ve noticed they are pushing to become the next Mag All Stars since Ark drama

Actually, they did do some GvG’s they seemed to lose most of the 10v10’s but won most of the 5v5’s.

Dr Acula.3496:

oZii.2864:

@People that take this game way to serious, like the guy from SWAG that messaged me from no where.

Adding people from the forums because they happen to be in a particular guild, then asking them why we are mad at you. Then using terms like “fight like men”. You might need to take a break from the game.

There is no collective or hive mind in Guild Wars 2. I don’t have a problem with SWAG just because some of my guildmates may have a problem with SWAG. It is video game it might be time to take a break if you feel compelled to message me. I don’t even get in to all that video game drama. My posts on the forums are about topics that interest me or I might agree or disagree with. I don’t post on the forums to prove I’m some cool dude with leet skillz I just have my opinions on certain things.

TL&DR:

I am in Good Fights but being in a guild doesn’t mean everyone thinks exactly the same. Messaging me ingame is childish message the person behind the computer you actually have a problem with.

Lucky! I mean I get lotsa messages from SWAGuumans, but then I have lots of friends on the server, and a fair amount in SWAG. As for random ‘umadbro’ messages I think this all stems from Cookies tbh… But then again maybe not.

lol, operation kill cookies ftw.

operation kill cookies was pretty awesome

We don’t GvG because we don’t field numbers for a GvG, hence why we 5v5’d GF instead of a full on GvG and won a majority of those anyway.

It’s ok, Jinqueeta is a horrid d/p thief who relies too heavily on the 5→2 combo. How about this, next time we duel I’ll whisper you 5→2 each time you do it while we’re dueling and we’ll count how many times I whispered you by the end of our 20 minutes duel because you disengage and reset with it way too much.

Zacchary.6183:

JETWING.2759:

Thieves with rifle?
Ridiculous!
Completli out of Thief theme :/

So is everything else. Don’t forget we DO NOT have a 1200 range option. Rifle sounds better than Longbow anyway.

Why not just roll a ranger if you want a 1,200 range option?

+1 BEcause the option would be great

so thieves will still be able to CnD my pet at will?

ok got it, thanks

Reason is our only traited condition removal is in the toughness/condition tree. If you were to not go 30 in WS you need to up your healing power enough to make the initial heal of Healing Spring worth it for the condition removal and in order to get any other condition removal you’d need to run sigils (generosity etc) or rune sets (lyssa #6 , hoelbrak for reduction, etc), furthermore you would need to run a specific type of food (-40% condition duration food or the food that removes 1 condition on heal).

In other words, we’re quite literally forced to go 30 into WS to be competitive in this condition meta, especially if your enemy team or your enemy himself is a necromancer. Otherwise, you will melt. By doing this, our offensive power is already greatly diminished in the direct damage side of things, the only true option is to be able to go tanky and deal out condition damage. This is also a glimpse of what ranger will be like when the conditions are toned down. We may be severely hurt as we don’t have too many direct damage build options at all.

Now, if you’re in a team who carry alot of aoe condition removal then you may be set, but even then you don’t provide enough burst opportunity to be effective, there’s other classes that can fill that role alot better (warriors really especially since they have much better condition tolerance) and if anybody knows with the ranger, we sacrifice virtually ALL of our survivability to even get 70% of the burst that other classes can achieve.

Hey guys I heard in order to play warrior now you just bind z,x,c,v,b,n,m keys and then roll your face across the keyboard.

Is this true?

“No one cares about the qq of duel heroes.”

Then why are all the warriors defending it then? When you go to a duel arena, there’s 60% warriors 50% of them running mace/shield stun spec, coincidentally, the same warriors on here defending it hence why I said it’s not a tpvp weapon anyway, you know, if you read my previous post you’d realize that. Like I said before, the warriors defending it are duel arena dwellers who want to continue to have their 100blades handed to them on a silver platter. It’s ok, they can have their crutches, not my fault they need to stun someone for 4 seconds every 7 seconds to land hits on them and I don’t really care either way. You have a fundamental issue though here, mace is a 1on1 weapon like you said, then why are all of the warriors defending it so hard. Hammer isn’t under attack which is used more in tPvP.

Daecollo.9578:

Ryan.8367:

Daecollo.9578:

Ryan.8367:

Lol at Daecollo comparing Troll Ungeant to Healing Signet

Can I get a 4 second stun every 7 seconds , immunity to conditions for 8 seconds , 2 blocks and also be able to reflect projectiles too traited? I’d be fine with Troll Ungeant only healing 400 then. kitten I say we get this to suggestions forums for rangers asap. Sounds good to me.

Rangers have multiple ways to evade, which can’t be gotten through with “Unblockable” Effects, there evades are much wider and pretty much all over their weapons. Your Greatsword’s Autoattack chain has a built in evade in it that is 1/3 as long as our shields block and the attack also does damage….

They don’t have stun know, but they have evades that can be used every 5 seconds to counter stuns and also easy easy access to poison. One of the most powerful conditions in the game.

Classes are different and have their strengths and weaknesses. Your post is pretty much biased against Warriors, However you must remember this before you post.

Out of 8 teams-
9 Rangers
8 Guardians
6 Warriors
5Thieves
5 Necros
5 Engineers
2 Mesmers

Yes, your post only highlights 2 things, condition meta and 2 classes who have a very good tolerance against said meta.

“They don’t have stun know, but they have evades that can be used every 5 seconds to counter stuns”

Play a ranger class then get back to me.

Also, spirit builds usually don’t slot stun breaks. It’s harder to evade attacks actively than to pop an oh kitten button like most of the classes in this game. Spirit builds are alot harder than you think regardless of the passive playstyle it represents. Now go back to your duel arena and continue to 1on1 and defend the mace stun atrocity that this game has been plagued with. Like I’ve told many others, when conditions are toned down the class most devastated by it (because we’re forced into condi bunker specs) is rangers so you’ll be able to face roll us in no time.

Stuns are to punish people for running passive builds like spirits.

Right, guess that’s why the warrior forum has the most merged topic in the history of this forum’s existence based on the mace stun build and every class in the game is talking about how badly overpowered it combined with healing signet is, passive and non-passive. But ok, keep living that fantasy.

Daecollo.9578:

Ryan.8367:

Lol at Daecollo comparing Troll Ungeant to Healing Signet

Can I get a 4 second stun every 7 seconds , immunity to conditions for 8 seconds , 2 blocks and also be able to reflect projectiles too traited? I’d be fine with Troll Ungeant only healing 400 then. kitten I say we get this to suggestions forums for rangers asap. Sounds good to me.

Rangers have multiple ways to evade, which can’t be gotten through with “Unblockable” Effects, there evades are much wider and pretty much all over their weapons. Your Greatsword’s Autoattack chain has a built in evade in it that is 1/3 as long as our shields block and the attack also does damage….

They don’t have stun know, but they have evades that can be used every 5 seconds to counter stuns and also easy easy access to poison. One of the most powerful conditions in the game.

Classes are different and have their strengths and weaknesses. Your post is pretty much biased against Warriors, However you must remember this before you post.

Out of 8 teams-
9 Rangers
8 Guardians
6 Warriors
5Thieves
5 Necros
5 Engineers
2 Mesmers

Yes, your post only highlights 2 things, condition meta and 2 classes who have a very good tolerance against said meta.

“They don’t have stun know, but they have evades that can be used every 5 seconds to counter stuns”

Play a ranger class then get back to me.

Also, spirit builds usually don’t slot stun breaks. It’s harder to evade attacks actively than to pop an oh kitten button like most of the classes in this game. Spirit builds are alot harder than you think regardless of the passive playstyle it represents. Now go back to your duel arena and continue to 1on1 and defend the mace stun atrocity that this game has been plagued with. Like I’ve told many others, when conditions are toned down the class most devastated by it (because we’re forced into condi bunker specs) is rangers so you’ll be able to face roll us in no time.

Lol at Daecollo comparing Troll Ungeant to Healing Signet

Can I get a 4 second stun every 7 seconds , immunity to conditions for 8 seconds , 2 blocks and also be able to reflect projectiles too traited? I’d be fine with Troll Ungeant only healing 400 then. kitten I say we get this to suggestions forums for rangers asap. Sounds good to me.

Mace stun is horrid in tpvp , the only warriors defending are the duel arena dwellers who want to continue to have it easy and 100blades combos handed to them on a silver platter.