Guild Wars 2

That would be cool to do , good idea… I’d be down to hang out on Saturdays. I don’t get to test my builds against enough rangers, usually end up finding myself fighting mesmers, guardians or eles.

Chopps.5047:

KrisHQ.4719:

Spirits are still incredibly bad.
Yesterday i noticed a guy in tPvP using the Sun Spirit, and my first thought was “Why would he do that?”
Then i remembered a build recently posted on the ranger forum using LB and Sun Spirit.

He had absolutely no chance. I run a BM Sword/Dagger x GS build, and i basically evaded everything and killed him with full hp. Dont think he even got me burning once.
And then i thought to myself “Why… Just.. Why would he do that?”
So yeah. Might be a fun build to run in PvE or Hot-joins, but i dont really think Spirits can be viable in any way competitively.

Though, the elite can be good if timed correctly but due to its insanely long casting time it is difficult.

The best tpvp team in the game ran a powernecro focused build where they protected a glass cannon necro who got their kills. GW2 is a team game. Power necro would never work in hotjoin. But with a great team, they were unstoppable.

Also, for another counterexample, a berserker thief should never lose to me, right? As a hybrid/ranged ranger you should always lose that fight 1v1. But I have beaten theives before. That doesn’t make me conclude, based on a victory, that theives are useless. Maybe you played someone who was still learning the profession. If it was me, I would have blocked you silly cat, knocked it back, condition damaged it to death, and the. i would have went toe to toe with you.

This really makes no sense… Necros dont work in hotjoins? What does that even mean?

" If it was me, I would have blocked you silly cat, knocked it back, condition damaged it to death, and the. i would have went toe to toe with you."

This right here, alone, shows how much you have no clue about rangers and dueling / combat in general. There’s no way you would be able to do that as I would just swap pets,, making all the burst you just did on my pet null. See? Good players have counters for your kittenty setups and it’s not even a counter it’s just something I would do already anyway.

Chopps, like many of your other posts showing how much you have absolutely no clue how to fight good people this one is no different.

Sun spirits? really bro?

I think you’re honestly just trolling at this point and throwing random kitten out there hoping someone will do it just to get a good laugh, but that’s just me.

Sebrent.3625:

I’m getting sick and tired of posts by KensaiZen.3740, Chopps.5047, and Durzlla.6295.

You three keep making unfounded, often completely incorrect (Chopps especially) posts in the Ranger forums and make no efforts to prove any of your claims (and to many of us it’s obvious why).

I am getting tired of the misinformation garbage going on.

If you want to claim something on the Ranger is good, do like Sol does and make videos of yourself using it with great success against non-baddies.

Agreed 100%

“All those other great things that your profession can do and contribute to your team, the thief cannot.”

Actually thieves are pretty kitten good for team play , they provide smoke fields and are very good for downing enemies in skirmishes , and also hiding people to revive them in skirmishes. These 3 things alone probably make the thief better than even the ranger in team situations. Rangers get a healing spring, which by the way you would need something like a thief with bow to generate aoe heals or a guardian with hammer to heal for you.

Overall, I think thief provides more utility than a ranger does for pvp team play , dunno about PVE. But that’s just me.

“THE REASON why I care so much is that this could, if it works like I think with longbow, be the most OP condition removal in the game. Can you imagine how awesome it would be to cleanse ALL conditions within 1200 yards? Yeah, the pet would instantly die, but that’s a good trade off for cleaning the entire freaking army.”

And could you imagine how fast they would fix that?

Neb.4170:

KensaiZen.3740:

The Rangers damage is comparable to the Guardians damage. A normal attack is around the 700-800 (1st trait line maxed) crits for about 1300-1400 (berserker earrings and amulet and knights rings)

This is comparable to the Guardian with full berserkers accessories. And as we all know, Guardians may not hit as had as warriors, but they have no trouble killing any other classes.

Guardians (In mostly Zerker gear) hit for much more than that. Sword (One hander) auto attack crits for 2k on the normal swings and 3x 1k on the finisher.

~6-7k on the short channel attack.

The rest of your post is nonsense, but yeah, if you want to cheerleader a broken class go for it.

I read this then ignored everything else this guy had to say in this thread.

Ursan.7846:

Ryan.8367:

“Thanks for the wall of text. It’s also completely off-topic and doesn’t change the fact that his statement (Ranger has no positive changes) is false.”

Thanks for a very un-thoughtful response post that provides no real discussion to the matter at hand though while in the same thread trying to claim my text as just a ‘wall of text’.

Your post, by definition of containing so much text, is a “wall of text.” Very thoughtful, yes. But there’s plenty of other threads that already are discussing the overall state of the Ranger to death. It’s also very amusing to me to point out that, while you quoted my post, I don’t disagree/agree with any of what you state. All my quoted post was saying that it’s an absolute false statement to say Rangers have “no positive changes.” (Underwater buff? Downed state 3 buff (when it works)? Increased projectile speed? Pets hitting moving targets more often? GS buff?)

Again, it’s great that you have your own opinion and are able to articulate it. It’s still off-topic. I came into this thread to know if anyone’s played around with the new QZ, not to hear the same old discussion that goes on everywhere else.

Lol , I was just letting you know that 95% of the community doesn’t agree with you is all but that’s on them , right?

Regarding your question about QZ: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Effect-of-quickness-nerf-on-class-DPS/first#post1715146

“Thanks for the wall of text. It’s also completely off-topic and doesn’t change the fact that his statement (Ranger has no positive changes) is false.”

Thanks for a very un-thoughtful response post that provides no real discussion to the matter at hand though while in the same thread trying to claim my text as just a ‘wall of text’.

“(Your opinion is wrong by the way, because Rangers did have a “positive change”, like the GS buff.)”

I laughed at this, people aren’t crying about buffs, it’s the type of buffs that are getting applied to our class instead of ignoring the TRULY important issues that are wrong with the class, which has been stated numerous times with numbers, equations and sound, reasonable logic and explanations on why they need to be fixed AND have also been stated by several devs over 5 MONTHS AGO only in the end to get ignored in favor of THESE gs buffs that do absolutely nothing but taking us a step closer to when it was nerfed in beta in the first place (which people will complain and it may get adjusted yet again). The fact remains, pets are still garbage, longbow is still garbage, signets, spirits, you name it and since the whole crossfire nerf fiasco where they tried to say they fixed an animation glitch then later came out and said that they really did end up nerfing the crossfire because they didn’t want people spamming 1 (lol?) all the time I have really lost faith in the development direction atleast for the ranger and judging by the other forums now and how kitten they are, for alot of other classes as well. It is good (and sad) to see some other class forums with some threads wondering what happened to their class, although the ranger forum has been like that since beta.

I think everyone can agree here that the greatsword buffs were great, but it doesn’t do anything fundamentally for us as a class, it’s simply their justification for the shortcomings we have in 90% of the other areas. That’s all.

Most rangers don’t play on the truly pro level in pvp, not trying to brag or anything but I’m referring on the level about tpvping with rank 50+ teams who know their kitten and know true team strategy and how their class works 100%, im talking about dueling with people of the best of their class on their server (which i do regularly), im talking about high end zerg play involving complex scenarios , use of combo fields, use of positional strategy which we also deal with. I’m talking at the top level. Most rangers in here haven’t even gotten there yet, and it’s sad to see people delusionally talking about these nerfs as if it’s alright. It’s not when you’re on the top level as a ranger, the kitten hurts, ALOT.

A viable mechanic for the ranger was taken away also in the context of quick reviving, I thought personally ability in tpvp to do this was crucial and separated my class with others. I could pet swap , get quickness , fear people around and me (wolf pet) get a chance to revive someone. People say that’s op , I call it a strategy and a unique one to the ranger but whatever especially since you can dodge canine f2’s and their graphic is so obvious you’d have to be blind to not see it.

Personally, as a power / crit trap ranger running 0/0/30/30/5/5 I didn’t get affected by much of this at all, the quickness I get from pet swa kitten till good, just not as good and the f2 cooldown fix hurt as well, but I have found in dueling atleast that I wait about this long ANYWAY to switch off and use f2, there was 2 scenarios where i needed to wait 5 seconds to get my wolf f2 back , but that’s it… All in all. Personally for me, the changes haven’t hurt me much. But that doesn’t mean I don’t care of the direction that these patches are headed.

But I think that’s what people are more mad about, it’s not that the buffs weren’t bad, they weren’t great either and it’s the direction of the fixes being put in place that I think people are both confused, and annoyed about.

“I fight in T1 and T2 WvW, in sPVP and tPVP and I think you’re full of kitten.”

Where am I full of kitten? Explain please.

Well well well, a constructive thread with #‘s and the funny thing is Chopps and Durzlla aren’t here to troll in defense of the nerfs we’ve received like they do every month because hard facts and numbers are involved.

Good work looking at these numbers, it does show alot for sure especially in the light of how much our dps is altered by this as a ranger.

I mean Chopps let’s be honest here, it’s very CLEAR from your posts on the ranger forums that you probably do mostly pve and fight in low tier battles in pvp if any pvp at all. If you had any knowledge of fighting ANY good player in a 1on1, a group skirmish or even a competitive zerg situation you would NEVER in your right mind defend the patches for rangers these last 2 months, you simply wouldn’t be doing it.

So if you wanna duel sometime in spvp I just want to see how good you are and size you up for all of this kitten talk defending of the nerfs that you do nonchalantly as if everything’s alright and it’s just not.

“I saw more rangers in tier 1 yesterday than I ever have before…so…yeah. Anecdotes.
"

So? Yes, any class that runs around with 50+ other people will do decent, no matter what. Doesn’t mean that ranger isn’t getting gutted every month , doesn’t mean that ranger is a very subpar class compared to all the others. Just not sure what your point is by even typing this sentence.

Comments like this kitten me off, and you seem to defend every nerf we get but then turn around and make a ‘well, what can we do now lets be positive here’ thread because of how bad we got kitten on AGAIN this month by the patches being released.

Just confused in general on your overall mentality of ranger, do you even play a ranger?

“And they gave us a color “buff” on our Order of Whispers armor. Everyone, please remember I predicted a color buff this patch. If ArenaNet will publically take credit for the “buff”, my prediction will be complete and I can claim victory and die happy.”

Can you predict some actual ranger buffs that we’ve been asking for since November instead of them destroying the most important aspects of our class, month by month?

But its just that, he only ‘plays’ a ranger (cough PR cough) and actually isn’t on the balance team or anything and has no say in the balances that get put out and he even has said this himself. It’s nice he’s chatting with us and all, but if I want someone to talk that agrees that rangers needs to be fixed and nothing more then I’ll just talk to 90% of the other people in the ranger forums.

It’s purely PR and nothing else, as soon as they see a dev responding they fall in love with him , but people need to understand politics and that the fact remains, kitten hasn’t been done to the class REGARDLESS of the countless dev posts made by both Jon and Robert. So you can love him because he gives you a post reply every other day, but what comes of it , and what HAS come of it? Nothing.

" Ranger is a little more reliable because they can switch there pets if the going gets tough."

Keep in mind is supposed to be 50% of our dmg is our pet, by the way. A couple aoe hits to our pet, they’re dead, there is no gray area there, it just IS what it is no matter how much crying you do about it. If you’re on any point in spvp/tpvp , guaranteed your pet will most likely perish (as mine does almost every long term node battle in tpvp due to the aoe laid down). People seem to forget this aspect alot and just think the pet is just ‘there’…. No, it’s part of our dmg and because of it’s horrible ai, lack of f2 usability (hit it 4-5 times before it even does anything) and in-efficient resistance to aoe dmg we suffer for it.

Before you say a class is op , actually play it in various situations and you’ll quickly realize that when everyone comes into the ranger forums saying they rolled a new class and realize how underpowered the ranger is that they have to express is in a forum , then you’ll understand.

I like the ranger even in it’s current state because of the challenge, I’ve played all the classes and have 4 level 80s currently: thief, mesmer, elementalist , ranger. I’m working on guardian and engineer. None of those classes even compares to the learning curve you have to do with ranger and none of those classes are you not able to make a mistake and live to tell it and not one of these classes is relegated to having one viable build. It’s simple, as a ranger, you make a mistake, you’re done, end of story. That’s not due to a high skill ceiling, that’s due to inefficient class mechanics.

So quit spouting bullkitten and actually play the class instead of getting owned in a situation by a ranger and then coming in here to say the ONE viable build we have that even poses a challenge to any other class is OP.

“Read that link carefully, slowly, he says ANET working on pets is nothing new and has been going on for a while after launch. I thought that’s what you were looking for? The original discussion we had was in reference to two rangers using pets to tank bosses, recall?”

Why should every other area of the game get ignored because it’s speculated that 2 ranger pets can take a boss in pve?

“Getting bored of these posts. We’ve not been ignored, we’re being buffed and OTHER classes are getting attention, but not always good attention. Elemental distance covering is being looked at under a strong light and thieves being able to spend 90% of a fight in stealth is being nerfed.”

Get used to it then, because these posts will happen until the class gets truly fixed, whether you like or not.

“if the ranger isnt focused on trying to activate the f2 ability than rangers will be wayyyyyy to powerful if we actually were attacking. Hence they made it a bit harder for rangers to do so just so we dont roll people.”

Please tell me you’re being sarcastic.

I am pretty tired of being in a group situation and hitting my wolf f2 , nothing happening after 4 taps, then it just does a 2-3 second cooldown if you accidently hit it too much and i have to actually wait and be punished because the bullkitten doesn’t work at all initially. Please fix this, this is for virtually every pet not just wolf. It only works immediately if you swap + f2 at the moment and that might only be because the pet swap quickness.

I don’t even play a mesmer … But no offense, if youre in wvw and a mesmer solo runs at 5 guys, you should know whats about to happen.

Funny, they thought guardians were fine where they’re at in SoG, except theyre getting a 10% dmg reduction innate because devs feel they need to be able to take more damage.

I’d go with horn against melee, for ranged, can try horn or you may wanna try offhand axe for #5 which reflect projectiles (thinking mostly p/d thieves, engis , rifle warriors , even ranged mesmers) , but do it strategically and the whirl provides good combo finish if in a field like ice / fire.

But usually horn is a good offhand as you can get off some speed, might and fury before battle which complements the dodgy / quick nature of what you would have with sword and +20% crit chance is nice.

Torch is good for condi dmg builds in general, as well as dagger for evades / snare and poison chaining on regen classes.

For pets man, to be honest with you i tried using high dmg pets and kitten like that, they just don’t work as the ai just simply isn’t up to par and inconsistent in setting up. Now im talking in the context of not running anything but 5 in BM. They may be alot better in BM (i know birds are) in 30 BM. But I just run with canines, the fear and immobilize as well as the knockdown just have saved me so much in both 1on1s and team based play (pet swap to wolf to fear everyone while reviving someone on 2 seconds of quickness in tpvp is priceless, etc).

For pve it may be entirely different, im not sure as I don’t pve at all.

I like it in spvp/tpvp for a couple reasons, evades and mobility of getting out of a situation with #2 (also has evades onthe leap back) that you need to in order to get to another point, or whatever but its simply good dmg. I believe the 3rd attack on #1 also gives a might stack to your pet so you can coordinate loading base dmg onto your pet for higher dmg output.

I think the sword dmg , is second to none, youre not gonna get a better 1hander that does more burst (even 1h sword does more dmg on auto than greatsword) for ranger.

But if you’re condi spec ive seen axe be more viable. It’s really up to you and your play style though.

I think in wvw all classes benefit from stat stacking much more than the ranger and the meta for all other classes is much more customizeable and mature than the ranger. This is why they suck in wvw , but are good in spvp/tpvp where kitten is actually balanced. My experiences atleast.

I think in dungeons we need 1 utility specific to dungeon group play or something, but it just seemslike pets are the only issue here (aoe dmg , perma stow option).

To be honest with you, i just think rangers are kitten in wvw because most are just op in wvw. Dd eles can stack regen so much , guardians the same, and the confusion dmg is ridiculous all of which we dont have really (no conf at all except from a pet with a long cast time and cone based , lol good luck trying t coordinate that kitten on a good person) unless we go full survivability and hit like a noodle. I tested dueling the same classes i dueled in wvw, and they lost everytime because it’s more balanced in spvp/tpvp , same builds and everything and im not complaining because i won only in spvp / tpvp , that clearly shows you how op these classes are WHEN compared to rangers so im not asking for these changes because I won, I was willing to accept it even if i DIDNT win but I did, and it brought up some decent questions that I had to ask.

So it like comes down to 2 things, buff rangers up to the current meta of wvw in conjunction with other classes or make the regens on those classes / confusion halved like it is in spvp. I actually wondered why dd ele only get nerfs in spvp to be honest with you but yea.

I may get negative responses from this , but this is kind of how I see it atleast from a 1on1 perspective which is primarily what I do other than spvp/tpvp now.

Meanwhile guardians getting 10% dmg reduction innate and phantasm mesmers getting buffed too.

“Can’t perma stow cause we are THE PET PROF anet doesn’t want us to perma stow they’ve said so A LOT now.”

Yea true, i agree in this regard, i forgot to put ‘in dungeons only’ which is the only place a ranger needs to have the option to perma stow and put a cd on it so you can’t abuse it or something but if the pets are going to path the way they are, it would seem like it would need to be absolutely essential to have this option in dungeons, ESPECIALLY fractals.

I did do tests on lick wound though on flat surfaces and it just seems to work at random it sometimes works and then sometimes doesnt even on a flat surface, like if there is a minor pixel changing the difference between a flat surface and curved surface, then that right there destroys the ability is what im thinking atleast. But yea, i agree, it just doesnt work 100% at all on a curved surface and from my understanding I think other classes with similar downed abilities can’t as well so but I may be mistaken on this.

The solution isn’t buffing damage on our weapons, it’s fixing the foundations. i can move side to side from a distance and dodge lb auto attack, why?

my pet does square-shaped pathing (forms a square when pathing) when people circle strafe making it nearly impossible for the pet to hit them, why?

for true condi removal you’re being forced to use up a utility slot for 1 condi removal every 10 seconds and have to use a healing spring only to hope you can stay in it for atleast 2 seconds to get a pulse or 2 from spring, why?

lick wounds when downed doesn’t work 90% of the time, why?

f2’s take roughly 3-4 taps (and sometimes actually will refresh the skill causing it to time out for 2 seconds before being able to use again because you have to spam the button to even get it to work WHILE youre being attacked and having to survive) unless you just switched the pet, why?

pets can’t take an aoe blast without spontaneously combusting unless you run bear pet (hint hint: goes back to sacrificing surviviability because our pets suck in the first place), why?

no perma stow option, why?

the list goes on really, but these are major issues that could be dealt with before buffing #4 offhand axe or greatsword , try fixing those foundations and then let rangers test out greatsword in the state it is , then we can move on to simply buffing damage on these weapons as it will be much more accurate.. does anyone else agree with me here? i mean , truthfully, like I said before… if our pets truly pathed well and truly did 50% of our damage, the ranger forums would be flooded with ‘NERF NERF NERF’.

i may just be the only one who feels this way

Looks like 2 of my thoughtful posts in this thread were deleted by moderators. I guess facts hurt them.

“You should watch some roaming beastmaster GS vids then. It is a great weapon and already workign right now due to the pure utility it offer. If it now gets damage even better.
It is already viable now so what you say is jsut wrong. Maybe play with it some more.”

Played with it for months , its good , but you stalemate with alot of people in 1on1s as you have too much regen and hit like a needle and with the eb nerf, your precious bm spec is kitten now as most dmg is from your pet. The bm was great only because it EB was broken, now the BM spec is horrid and you die alot faster now and ALSO not deal as much dmg becase your pet kills himself now passively with EB.

I’ve played nearly every spec you can play as a ranger dude, don’t try to throw this cookie cutter bm build at me like I’ve never used it before.

GS is terrible, end of story.

“Wait you think GS skills make no sense?”

Yes that’s what he’s seeing, and he’s absolutely right. The greatsword doesn’t mix with the very little trait synergy that the ranger has in regards TO the greatsword so the dmg increase means little if nothing – its the exact same as the offhand axe #4 buff last month. If it had a blast finisher on maul i could MAYBE, just MAYBE see it being viable. But it’s not , there’s too many foundational issues wrong with the class so this change will absolutely mean nothing. Also, last month was the biggest nerf hit the ranger took with the EB fix next to the greatsword nerf in beta. Just sayin’. Don’t expect much.

BUT the big change I do see happening this patch is agony resistance for pets, other than though there will probably be a couple tooltip fixes along with a nerf or 2 in some other areas to further encourage us to use greatsword.

Important issues with the class ignored yet another month over.

Only good thing is agony for the rangers that do fractal dungeons, other than that. Nothing.

So glad I rolled my engi, ele and mesmer.

You don’t even need math for this one lol. It’s plain and simple man almost bordering common sense logic to understand the situation here.

Besides, I’m tired of doing math for these guys when they don’t listen. How many threads have been made since launch detailing with math and sound logic that this class needs help in various ways, and how much of that has gotten dev attention? Agony resistance with pets (which is good by the way, but shoulda been implemented from the very beginning, a huge oversight by developers and now after all this time since fotm has been made live theyre FINALLY working on it?) , that’s all that is being talked about by the devs right now after all of the threads made. It’s just silly.

I’m tired of doing math for these guys to make them understand and tired of seeing people spending their time writing out sound arguments for why this class needs help only to get ignored. If they don’t listen what’s the point?

When did I say I wanted to play a necro? Lol

All I was pointing out was that people get better condition removal, which they do by the way and more options in trait synergy TO have better condition removal , which they do but happened to also point that even some can transfer conditions and some can convert them into boons.

Where does that imply I want to play a necro? No, I want to have condition removal on par with these guys IF our pets are going to still have the kittenty AI. That’s all I’m saying.

Again, you’re missing the point in that we’re having to sacrifice vital survivability aspects of our class to make up for the lack of kitten that have been given to us in comparison to other classes. There’s no more need to argue with you on it, it’s right there in your face.

You and your denial of this EB nerf in saying that all you need to do is run a bear pet with protect me , which by the way you lose all dps from your pet and whos going to waste time hitting a bear pet when they know they’re the tankiest pets which would be all theyre good for? also, protect me is a ONE time thing in a short span of time on top of it , all that skill does is add on to damage to your already useless pet in a combat situation by the way , great for pve, horrible for everything else comes back to the point of what I was trying to make. We sacrifice much to get what others get without sacrificing anything, and that’s a common role with rangers vs other classes not just in the condition removal department.

Quit trying to put words in my mouth and actually read what I’m trying to explain.

Edit: Btw, I don’t think anybody hear argues that rangers aren’t good in tpvp , where condition removal is provided to you by other players and combo fields with condition removal on projectiles also. We just have to be carried more now in tpvp with this regard though if you run EB (which you probably would in tpvp).

“The trait -is- fine though, 3 condis every 10s? With the utility that’s 4 every 10s, that’s a TON of reliable condi transfer and as long as you’re not using a cat or bird the pet will live through it for 15s, you know, before you swap the pet to wipe the slate clean?”

Wait, why should we have to swap pets to get true condition removal on par with other classes? We have to do so much more to get what others get passively (and also have the opportunity to convert condi into boons, and transfer boons to other players like other classes get) and hinder ourselves in other areas while doing so (you know, wearing a condition signet instead of the other useful utilities because we have no traited TRUE removal of condition and using a heal that isn’t meant for 1on1 play at all and has a large cooldown). I’m tired of hearing these workarounds like using bear pet and protect me , popping condi signet and switching pets, or simply switching pets. How about just give us condition removal on part with other classes? How about that?

Far from it, it’s not even about comparing it to other classes. If our pet mechanics were good (and let’s be honest here, if pets TRULY did 50% of our damage and had great AI, people would be crying for ranger nerfs left and right) then this trait wouldn’t be SO bad. But the fact our class is broken in MANY areas not just the pet ai adds insult to injury with this trait fix. Regardless if other classes are op or not, it comes down to hurting an ALREADY broken pet that couldn’t perform well even when it erased ALL conditions without transferring from us like it was before it was fixed. I don’t want it back to what it was, but atleast give us either more passive condition removal in other areas or atleast make it remove 3 without transferring (or transfer 1 and remove 2?) but forcing us to use this trait that now passively owns the kitten out of us + having to use a utility slot and forced to use a specific heal with a huge cooldown thats only good for teamplay for the field JUST to have true condition removal is ridiculous.

“Why would they nerf the trait? It’s in a good place at the moment, we should get a buff to the signet though,”

It’s not in a good place, how could any ranger defend the state of this trait? It just simply doesn’t happen and I’m starting to begin to think you’re simply trolling and just play another class.

Our pets, before this eb nerf didn’t even perform well, now that conditions transfer to them every 10 seconds what do you think that puts them? Now we all have to use bear pets and stack protect me to mitigate some dmg? Problem is that with that logic, you still have 75% of the rest of the fight to worry about.

Regardless, the issue isn’t in the balance, it’s in the division of how ranger is in different area.

You have ranger that is good in pve , you have ranger that blows in dungeons though. You have ranger that is good in spvp , but blows in wvw.

There’s a huge divide in the ranger community and comments from people Durzlla clearly show it.

If you play against ANY top tier player , you will get rolled in the current state that EB is in. From judging where you’re coming from, you just simply haven’t played a class that is good at their class.

I’m sorry, no ranger should be defending this fix as it destroys us.

“@Everyonr else, well, you could always take a brown bear and get “Shake It Off!” Just saying….”

You might as well jus use the sigil that removes a condition on 60% critical to be honest and skip using that worthless pet.

Sigil of Purity:
60% chance to remove condition on critical, 10 second cooldown.
Sigil of Generosity:
60% chance to transfer condition to foe on critical, 10 second cooldown.

Bear pet is great in pve though.

“I think a single burning stack would outweigh the heals.”

Exactly, and by the way engis can keep borderline perma burning in fights so yea , try getting signet of the wild to cover that dmg for ya and let me know how that goes.

“Doesn’t matter what you run, if you have Empathetic Bond, its going to gut some of your damage because your pet is always going to be apart of you. So you can either have no condition removal worth anything, Or you can take a damage nerf.”

Exactly, it hurts you even more if you run anything OTHER than 0/0/30/10/30. I run a 0/0/30/30/5/5 and my pet is dead within 10 seconds now. How is that viable dude?

The best trait in our defensive line just got a hardcore nerf nuke and the only trait we can really use (or be forced to waste a utility slot on passive and a kittenty heal that does nothing except if you’re in team situations) now just passively kills us. Alot of the work for our opponents is already done now.

Only thing you could do is barkskin , but now you have to use up a utility slot and a heal slot to even get SOME condi removal, if you don’t use any of those. You will die to practically anyone. So yea, it’s a kittened up situation and it really underpowers an already broken and underpowered class.

The saddest part is that every other class got buffs overall this last month while we got probably the biggest nerf to a GRANDMASTER trait anyone could get since the game has been released.

I’m sorry, but this is unacceptable… If we had more passive condi removal i could see this being an optional trait, but it’s something we simply have to have if we want condi removal but the crux is that now it just owns us passively.

It’s quite kittened up.

Oglaf.1074:

Prysin.8542:

why do you need 5 points in wilderness, when you can have have 5 somewhere else, and still get vigor from LR

Pardon my Ranger noobiness, but what’s “LR”?

Lightning Reflexes , it’s a survival utility skill we get.

Evade back with a crack of lightning, dealing damage and gaining vigor.
Vigor: 10 s
Damage: 244
Breaks stun

“I rely on healing and toughness”

The problem with that is our healing is subpar besides troll’s ungeant (which probably will get nerfed in some time anyway) and with the EB fix/nerf , good luck using anything besides healing spring because troll/HAO doesn’t mean kitten when you have a ton of conditions on both you and your pet. Toughness obviously doesn’t mean anything in the context of conditions/damage as most classes can stack survivability and boon stack to oblivion and still the produce the same damage as you and better. No matter how good you are, the meta for other classes extends far beyond the simple ‘healing and toughness’ that we have.

It’s that simple really.

Yes, they use hgh which grants might on elixir usage… It’s a very powerful build and you have to be real smart to evade, sometimes impossible because of the dmg output along with condi dmg put out and with this EB ‘fix’ it’s just that much more devastating and if he drops supp crate right on you, lol it’s over. I try to reserve LR for supp crate drops. seems to get me out of kitten quickly and then i can pound him from range and pop a fear on him with pet to get him out of his supp crate and obviously toss traps on him while in the supp crate so it dmgs everything.

I’m good friends with an engi from Maguuma in OG who utilizes this build, and he does it well and he told me a bit about it. It’s extremely strong. I only won against him a couple times in the 10 duels we did, he rolled me over in the other ones.

The problem with devs referring to pet is they’re only referring to agony resistance in most cases, which is great but as far as I’ve seen it , the devs seem to think they’re fine in pvp.

“Activate and then immediately swap pet. You get a nice fresh beasty with full health and a heart full of love… until it learns that you are using it as a meat shield.”

Try that with a fight against someone who knows the ranger class, the EB trait transferrence time and also the duration on your pet cycles. Let me know how that works out for ya. He’s just going to restack at 9seconds, knowing it will transfer and then blast on your pet. Pet gone in seconds but also, why should we have to do all of that JUST to have condition removal on par with other classes? Also, you lose passive condtiion removal while it’s on Cooldown. Unacceptable.

It’s all fine and dandy when you’re fighting normal people who aren’t really good at pvp, once you start fighting good people though, you start seeing how bad this trait hurts us.

Honestly, the trait kills us passively now, because 40-50% of our damage (which isn’t even the case because the AI is so horrid anyway) is supposed to be pet damage. It opens up easy combos onto our pet which already suck and die quick but it also hinders our damage producing because snares on an already horrid pet ai is devastating.

They die quickly already, and after doing testing with full BM they still die alot faster even with regen.

Unfortunately it’s the best trait we have , if you don’t use it, you have to use up a utility slot and a heal spot regardless, if you don’t you’ll die because you have no condi removal period.

It’s pretty bad , and needs to atleast be removal of 3 completely and not transferred to pet… Every other class gets not only condi removal (some get it passively via traits) but even conversion to boons, it’s just utterly ridiculous and needs to be fixed.

Wouldn’t you want force which is +5% damage permamently instead of going with a 3might stacks on weapon swap? Seems like the better choice overall.

There’s 2 traits at work though when she uses stun and it transfers to your pet, hide in plain sight and shared anguish

Shaed anguish transfers the cc to your pet allowing you to stay invis’d from hide in plain sight which results in the effect.

WS is lovely, except for EB now

“Engineer’s though.. they’re tough…..really is supply drop that’ll screw me over more then anything.”

I agree man, there have been some pretty strong builds I’ve been facing against as of lately for sure. Engineers never were really tough for me but suddenly these new builds have been extremely (and almost unkillable) for me as a ranger.

I don’t think it’s a matter of build with fighting against condi oriented classes now, it’s quite simple… EB transfers to your pet now, so now you need to use a condi utility slot and spring to even get condi removal to occur , and i mean real condi removal. Not condi ‘removal’ that transfers to 40% of your damage.

We just need better condi removal and fighting condi classes will be much easier. Not saying it can’t be done, it’s just extremely tough at the moment for us against most condi classes.

Eh, it’s probably the trapper build knights armor setup you’re seeing and I can tell the context you’re referring to is in a 1on1 situation, probably a duel. And if it’s not a trapper build , it’s probably some apothecary bunker healing condi dmg build , which doesn’t necessarily work most of the time because people clear conditions rather quickly, especially someone good at their class.

Don’t worry, like Frosty said… There’s already been discussion on the thought of nerfing traps and making it where only one can activate at a given time so yea although it’s not official at all. It’ll probably be nerfed too.

Also, some people don’t realize our pet f2s are broken. pet swapping is faster than pet cooldowns so if you pet swap and use f2 even if it’s on cooldown it still works, which will probably get ‘fixed’ much like EB was fixed last patch which pretty much screwed us over as a skirmish class basically, any class that knows a pet transfers conditions from us to that already useless pet is just gold for them. Time snares around 8-9 seconds apart and your pet will always transfer the conditions to himself….

Our grandfather trait quite literally kills us passively now and there really isn’t another trait in that lineup that even compares… It’s our only good condi removal so you need it but it also destroys our already horrible pet. That’s the crux of the EB fix last patch. We have to use it or force a utility slot / heal slot or we won’t have any condi removal period. This alone hurt rangers BIG TIME (and i dont think people realize just how much that affects us, it hurts ALOT) in both 1on1 situations, spvp and tpvp (probably not tpvp AS much because group members/combo fields can make up for healing and condi removal).

But yea, don’t worry, each month goes by and classes get buffs and we get nerfs… Chances are in some time this post will be irrelevant.