Guild Wars 2

Mesmers are good for mobility with portal(one of the best tpvp skills)

Zacchary.6183:

x/p and anything using Cloaked In Shadow are the main culprits.

If you really want to reduce the blind spam, keep them from landing CnD on you and keep out of the Black Powder. You can actually hit them while outside the field since its incredibly small.

not just x/p,there is a trait which spread area blindness on gaining stealth.

Hey guys,I crafted Bolt,and only missing prec for inci,tho to get Zap,I spent 15,120 tokens,780g,and 2 million karma.Which got me nothing.Finally bought it for 300g via TP.
I feel your pain and I would like to participate in the “we love you” group for unlucky guys.

Is the API available for use?

Most of mmos have like webstie which you can log on into and check your character status,inventory,friendslist ect..
Is there a website like that? and if not why not?

Murtygale.2635:

Give all classes 1-2 stealth options SOLVED.
I’m sick of stealth, hit, stealth, hit, ETC. getting hit by two stealthed backstab theives… no choice no chance no NUTHIN. I want a chance at any 2v1… A FRIGGIN CHANCE. You cant predict a shadowstepping facerolling stealthed theif, let alone 2!
Besides my ranting I actually have a solution to propose…. make a status called “AWARENESS” on the character that took damage from a stealthed theif, so that any other STEALTHED DAMAGE is then turned into a GLANCING BLOW for the next 5 SECONDS.
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Simply put= Attacking from stealth causes 5s of awareness on target, causing any stealthed attacks to be glancing blows.
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Might aswell increase the cd of guards virtues,lower the health pool of warriors,remove lich form from necros,remove distortion from mesmers,remove pets from rangers,remove the elixer which makes engi small and untouchable trait and ute.
Seriously now,learn how to play you already have the revealed thingy stop whining and practice to be better.

Windwalker.7421:

Apples & Oranges!

Did you even give it a try?

That’s like saying “PU is better then Shatter!” because given the same level of skill, you’re unlikely to beat a PU Mesmer as a Shatter Mesmer. So what? That doesn’t mean PU is universally better. It’s all situational, and the two are just a totally different builds and associated play-styles.

In hot-join sPvP you don’t see many pure shatter Mesmers left, and that’s a combination of the style of play that is forced on you (point fighting), and the extreme squishieness of the build. Playing a Shatter Mesmer in sPvP feels very much like a “One Trick Pony” with glaring weaknesses to being locked down, focused, or simply outlasted on a point.

A very skilled player can make the GC Shatter build work, even in sPvP, but the vast majority of Mesmers opt out of it due to the above issues. It sounds like you’re one of those highly skilled Shatter Mesmers, and that’s awesome! Respect!

I can make GC/Shatter work “OK” in sPvP, and occasionally it’s really fun due to the high AE damage, but it’s overall difficult and frustrating to play. Often the damage seems lackluster against tanky professions/builds who turn right around and damage-spike you down with ease despite having better defense, mobility, condie-clears, etc.

This build makes you much tougher to kill with both DD and Condie damage, but you can still do massive MW spikes on single targets that rival and often even surpass those of a pure Shatter Mesmer.

1. is irrelevant because you’re not primarily concerned with Shatters in this build .
2. is very debatable but also irrelevant here, because with IP you’re absolutely pigeonholed into a pure Shatter role. IP is an amazing GM trait, no doubt, but only for one style of play -one build basically- and that is pure GC Shatter.
3. Is no argument for or against this build. I can use the same trick(s) to land my MWs too.

Power Spike is another totally underrated aspect of this build. With the ability to chain 3 PSs and have them all crit 100% of the time, it just totally changes the game for this otherwise weak attack. (I average ~2k a pop on PSs.) A significant portion of my overall damage output comes from PS! (Whenever MW is down but that SoI buff is up, I’m popping PS.)

I admit that I never did try that build.Forgive me,cause I thought you comparing that build to the pure shattter though you mentioned it in your post couple of times.
You dont see so many shatter mesmer on hotjoin cause there is nothing new about that build and ppl who are new to mesmer wont start with that build(unless they want to get pwned).I used to run full shatter but now im running full mantra build with zerk amulet and str runes and I use PS.The core of the shatter build is not only to be burst-bot,it is to be a highly pressure player which is highly mobile-dmg tool.I used gs-staff in tpvps and sword-pistol – gs on solo arenas.Have you tried that build in tpvp? the sustain dmg is not that great against burst dmg in terms of team fights.Yes you MW but you dont have any cond dmg,and you can MW once in a fight? while shatt mesmer can MW in a fight 3 times!
Bottom line is,your build is fine,never said it dosnt,but in overall IP full glass mesmer still better dmg wise.Tho I had enough of it and am using similar build like you though more mantra heavy.

The usual shatter mesmer is still better than this.
1.30% charge rate and the trait which recharge the shatter skills at certain health,outdmg the increase in power and crit dmg.
2.IP is the best survival trait in both of the builds,as in it is extra distortion,gurantee daze and have more dmg spike.
3.Good mesmers know how to fake leap-using ileap and do 11111111 on them let them spam dodges and then shatter + frenzy.(I for once use ileap and switch to gs and Iwave them and use beserker which is mostly gurantee hit,than swtich back use ileap again and frenzy

You mean Sizer? he using the typical s/d build which is http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAV8Yl0Mp7pVOxwJ8PNBNB5dY+SZ0KAdHl+eEA-TZBFwACOCAl2fYxFAoaZAAPEAA
tho I use assassins reward instead of might on dodge in wvw(have runes of trav and not str which is priceless atm).With str runes might on dodge is ok.
I think he somtimes rotate his utilites with shadowstep

I find my thief a bit different of most thieves here

Ross Biddle.2367:

I’ve seen a lot of QQ on these forums, but never tears quite as stupid as this. Mesmers at their finest.

I QQ alot from stupid,ignorant comments aswell.

I QQed now.

PU=non glass so your statement is false.
There is no such a thing “Glass PU” cause PU requires to invest in toughness tree.
Glass mesmers are supposely to use full shatter build.

Ghotistyx.6942:

Aren’t you fun?

Like most people have said, pure condition could afford Balthazar. Your 4 and 6 for balth won’t be great, but w/e.

Power or hybrid should go for flame legion, particularly if you’re having fiery wrath. My preferred burn build is 6/2/0/0/6 rolling flame legion and a smoldering sigil (I was sure I had 100% burn sans food, but I don’t remember how). There are a few other kinds of burn build. You might also consider at least 5 in valor with defenders flame and guardian runes. Load up on blocks, and if you can hit 50%burn, you’ll get a 3s (potentially 4s) burn per block and long lasting might. Shelter could definitely turn into a bomb that way.

That is exactly what i thought but,i’ve seen more and more builds which using celestial amulet and runes of balthazar for some reason which got me wondering about it.

?Mystogan,have you considered might boon,,acking and server bloodlust and other stacks

When that happen you should try dps them quickly.if you are phantasms spec just spam your most dpsing phantasm i.e ibserker and kite till he dies and if you are a shatter mesmer try to burst him at start using only the cry of frustration than spam clones and burst him again with mindwrack.if you are PU cond mesmer,reroll to more benefical build or try to spam confusion on him as long as you can tho cant really sure how much it will help you cause i never use PU in pvp cause it dosnt help the group.

PU mesmer is as usefull as reju thief which is not usefull at all in tpvp,as for wvw the only problem are those dire preplexity PU mesmers,as it is not enough they have broken rune and broken set,they use broken trait.And I did used rabid preplex pu mesmer and it is way too easy to kill ppl with it running around spamming clones ans conds on the enemy with almost perma protection.

What is better for burning guardian?
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Superior_Rune_of_Flame_Legion

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Superior_Rune_of_Balthazar

I for instance,when I play arah,I use full stealth medi thief using the shadow reju and shadow embrace + stealth on ress and regen on ress,to max out my usfulness to the group.

First,work on your english(Are you from israel? cause that name reminds me of someone famous in israel.)
Secondly,in pve that build is fine tho the Feline grace trait is really that important for you? I think you should get grandmaster trait at Trickery,there are much more rewarding traits there than this minor extra dodge.

Killed shatter mesmer and tank guard on 2v1 on one of the ruins spots and the shatter mesmer /w me saying “two thieves..:) l2p”

What is the use for it,if it is only for dueling? might aswell go full d/d reju might streangth thief

I can tell you Gandara have a strong guild also dedicated to defense(GTFO) and they sure welcome new members/new guild beside them.

For roamers,Gandara have lots to offer,we have guilds which are dedicated to roaming.We are one of the stable WvW servers in EU! and we have special guys(very special).

vincecontix.1264:

Hi guys kinda sic of all the false claims and all the misinformation people are writing about thiefs. I am gonna start making a few videos of me killing thiefs while playing other profs so we can tell people they do know what they are talking about and they need to learn how to pvp properly. Here are some fights of me on my noob war https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPbG1TCNxVY

Next vids with be of ranger and engi

It’s well known that warriors outbest thieves w/e if they using longbow cond build or shield hybrid build.
What bugs me are two things:
1.those thieves you fought at start,didnt played well for example,the first fight the thief was getting heat and didnt bailed,thief is all about patience and strike when the opportounity comes.That thief was in a rush or somthing,he got you nicely to half hp pool,and instead of backout and wait for you to go crazy and bash the thin air,he tried to finish you off.
the thief in the ruines was a total newb imo.it is well know that warrior after charge uses 100b. either use ute or use evades.Imo,he should have dodged that charge because it is easy to spot on.
2.One thing that bugs me the most is the thing that ppl show that they can beat thieves and thieves aint OP but yet,anet nerf us more and more.

Cheers for that dual inci elem in Riverside BL west camp,I let you kill the dolly,even let you take the camp and /wave and you just nuked me while i was offguard for a sec while all I wanted is to duel you fairly.(this sums up riverside server really)but still kudos for killing me.

Is it me,or that Omega is very happy to see me?

Not trolling or somthing,but get a D/D build and start play wvw-you be better in time
just remember there are classes you cant beat head on and you will have to be more cunning.

Rin.1046:

I don’t see how your mobility has been effected by this change. All it’s done is remove the stun break. It can still be used to move you into and out of combat effectively. That’s not to say Sword doesn’t needs some attention, it does and I feel it is still lacking compared to Dagger, but the nerf to Shadow Return is not all that bad, and I can understand the main reason behind it (removing the stun break).

Hey Rin,are you with diVa guild aswell?

For your response,My thief was created and played on sword since the start like the topic creator,and I think the S/D build was the most balanced build in thieves build kitten nal.While D/P perma stealth isnt balanced and still they didnt nerfed it too well..
my build is based on stealth sword play which is hard build to control and now with giving us basically one stunbreak which has 50s cooldown it is even harder.I am used to run on guild raids with S/D cause of it and lets face it,anyone who did guild raids with thief knows how squishy they are at it.The sword stunbreak balanced that build which .let me handle in guild raid.Now-one little-to-nothing stun can kill me

Now I have no reason to take sword cause dagger offers more dmg overall.

My Bolt sits in the bank alone

HAHAAHAHAAA LOLO L OL OL OL O L OLV O LOL * jumps off a window *

VidurrRedhands.1964:

It is a stun break if you teleport 600 units away since that gap can’t be easily closed during the duration of the stun. Also, I’ve played both S/P and S/D and those builds usually have far from glass survivability since the burst is so low you have to have sustain in order to keep pressure on. You still have your evades.

Clearly you didnt played S/D enough and I think you play d/p cause most of the D/p thieves hates S/D thieves. Please dont judge other spec just because you fail against them.(that is the only explantion why it is you against everyone here)..
Lets review our options as thief alright?
lets say you are shadowstep into 2 guys one is a mesmer the other one is an elem. lets say you target the mesmer first→you hit him with mug! and you also been able to hit him TWICE! but most of them would not die that easy like with d/d so they blink away/decoying cause you dont have any long stun skill like almost every class have.. suddenly the elem ride the lightning to you knock you and do the whole ground thingy combo which means constant knockdowns while the mesmer just dpsing you with clones…alirght lts avoid it with shadowstep ute! which means all the same all over again with one change→you no longer have shadowstep cause it has 50s cooldown!
so what you gonna do now? run and try again when shadowstep will be available again or try your luck without.(for the record the mesmer and elem have full health and they know what they doing and not button mashing)
So basically we rely on shadowstep ute now.
NExt patch:Thief:
Shadowstep-reduced the range and add cast time and cooldown to encourage thieves to go melee.

KillaFu.2790:

tattoohead.3217:

If you had 2 equally good players dualing with the same class/build and one was wearing the new ascended armor while the other one was not… It would make no difference the winner of the fight would be the one who didn’t make any mistakes not the one who had 5% more armor and 30 more power.

Well, if you play this game….

If you had 2 exact players with same class/build and play (a mirror image) the one with Ascended will win (without factoring RNG with crits etc)

And the chance of this to happen over 0.0000000900000.

I dont know why ppl complaining about the math…it is a simple one to understand but for the one who did the math invested a lot of his time doing it so guys give him a little credit instead of spiking him and for the record,not considering the traits points is the right thing to do cause it is so diverse,you cant really do the math with it.
What he gives you you need to add up with your trait points and that’s about it.

I think Anet devs are afraid to even enter Thief sub forum now XD

What am i gonna do with my Bolt now :O 25g for transering it

Sanduskel.1850:

Actually every class doesn’t have multiple stun breakers, and even the ones who do have to make tough choices to spec for them. Secondly, you only have a low health pool if you spec that way. I don’t choose a fragile spec and don’t feel disadvantaged by my health pool.

hmm…
*warriors have plenty…so is for mesmers(have distortion too that is pretty much good aswell) and elems have plenty -these the proffesion I used to play so cant tell you on other proffesions but im pretty sure they have more usefull stun breakers than thieves…
*define health pool..cause 15k is not a good health pool and if you have like 20 your dmg output is pretty much low and it is stupid thing to be low dmg output on thief

up Please dont ignore it Anet this IR thing should be explained.

THIS IS NOT A KITTENING POST AND A REAL OPNION
Cast time IR-
Well,I must say I find it…challenging -to lose my only stun break except the ute,but after awhile,playing like that,I cant see the logic behind this change.

I for once like challenges,but this change is beyond the limit I can take.You cant excpect the most squishy class will stay long enough in a fight without any stun breakers?

Every class have multiply stun breakers which they utlize.And this class need it the most as we have low health pool and it seems we have the least.After several fights against elem and a hammer warrior and d/d thief i found that IR skill must be stun breaker in order to keep the S/x build viable.
Stealth is not viable while stunned and so is all the evade skills.We left with one ute worth keeping(Shadowstep) that is a stun breaker and with his 50sec cd not so great either.

To be frank,S/d builds,except the perma evade ones,were the most balanced builds the class had,So if you may,can you elaborate more about the reason behind this change?
If you can please reconsider this change and maybe add small buff to compensate S/X builds.
I hope someone gonna read it cause I love playing as a thief and especially as S/d one and would hate to force myself to reroll another class…
Happy holidays!

to be frank this is the least of our problem with anet ^^

You compain about guards?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
S/d just daze the hell out of them and when his health is down the mace bash thingy you steal from him and burst him or even place thieves guild near him and if he have reta use the stripping dual skill..

but serously guards are easy,on the other hand PREPLEXTY COND WARRIORS GOD ANET WHY WHYYYYYY

Thief
Experts at stealth and surprise, thieves can move through the shadows, vanish into thin air, or steal items from their opponents and use them as weapons. Thieves practice an agile, acrobatic fighting style, which can make them very hard to hit.

They should replace it now with “Experts at giving lootbags to enemies,thieves can move through opponet zergs and vanish into thin air leaving your opponet a lootbag,or steal items from your opponets and bring the lootbag to them.Thieves practice on agile,acrobatic fighting style,which can make them hard to hit,so if you want a lootbag,just tell your opponet the exact crap i just said.”

I have Bolt-inci on my thief….will you give me somthing to move them on other character cause you obviously killed S/D thieves while it was the most not OP build.
perma stealth build should have been nerfed only…
And warriors should be nerfed constantly …not us how is it my thief backstabbing zerker warrior and he still have half of his life and,in seconds,full life?
And why is preplexity runes are still left alone? prep warriors are combi of two OP things come on Anet please nerf it

When im going on a raid with a zerg,I ususally spec with deadly arts 2nd minor trait that posion inflict weakness and spam 4 before zerg clashes and use reaper of grenth elite skill toapply chill and posion and thus weakness to anyone i get close to
and ofc Blast finisher bot.
that weakness is great and somtimes i spot a half life guard or a warrior or a necro which are basically the most dmging proffesions in zergs and just tagging them all the time untill they downed.

Savroula.4803:

Really now? You all think that only deso has chickens and bullies? Why are you not mentioning the times that our zerg leaves your sniping teams and pass near it or leave the roamers alone? Why dont you mention the times when your zergs (even when more than us) hides in their tower instead of facing us? You can get in your towers, you have all the right to do this. No problem. It is a game. Whatever you say we do, you do it also. How many times we hunted you for some battles and you fled? We have no problem whatsoever, do anything you think that benefits your realm. Just do not accuse others when you do the same. I have had MANY good battles with fsp and gandara, have been wiped, have killed. It is a game adter all. We play for fun as far as I know… as for the ppl that started in WvW, most that were pure pvers and achievement hunter, liked wvw and stayed in. By now everyone has had their veteran of the mists. Whoever we hunting achievements, left, whoever liked wvw stayed. What is so hard to accept there? Gold or silver or bronze league? I respect everyone that we have confronted and was not whining around “deso this, deso that”. That is MY opinion. Whoever wants to have fun, plays either he wins or loses. Everyone else search for an excuse.

You are right in every word just see how easly you say “we” “us” “our zerg” while I said when im alone.
Funny thing I played like 2 hours today,been wiped togroup of 4 FS and group of 5 deso and against 2 ppl from deso and against deso mesmer which got lucky by the camp npc’s surprise attack. and the last one I wiped was for a FS perma stealth thief.
The perma thief saluted me the 4 group of FS guys didnt do nothing and both that deso mesmer and those 2 deso warriors and espically the 5 deso group who start to dancing on my corpse ALL /laugh /dance and kitten now go on and tell me it is a simple coincidence.

Grotesque.6480:

gabal.4520:

Grotesque.6480:

Not entirely sure if I should defend Desolation or not, as this discussion is rather pointless. However, I’ll still give it a shot. I’ll be straight down the line here, you decide what you make of it in the end.

As I took the lead and struggled to revive the server and rally the guilds, you could say I know what happend and how it happend. What happend to Desolation? Did we tank the Silver League? Far from it. A couple of weeks before the League kicked off, we lost major forces again for the third time.

<snip>

From this moment onwards, we had to be realistic. We knew what Vizunah was all about. Most of those Guilds who remained were active during that era and pretty much did not want to get stomped once again. Therefore we decided to get into Silver League. Did we had to do an effort to drop down? Not at all. Our poor numbers took care of that and eventually we dropped and ended in Silver.

(emphasis mine)

You are kinda jumping into your own mouth here mate. You didn’t tank but you lost just enough rating to get into silver.

Also, it wasn’t a PvE crowd that introduced 5am 10 omega golem rushes to the silver league.

We faced you twice during your tanking phase and the difference was staggering – much less skilled opposition during prime-time then in pre-league matches and heavy nightcapping. Congratulations on becoming what you hated – Vizunah Square.

Perhaps re-read the post again. Tanking and dropping are 2 complete different things. Therefore your statement becomes invalid.

Anyways, not going to bother any longer. Got a problem with Deso? Fight for it and bring it to the game, not on the forum. Deso fought against Vizunah for months which looked like a lost battle, atleast we never lost our fighting spirit, even after being close to free fall thrice. Not many servers can say the same.

Poor deso….you got asskicked by a server who asskicking everyone when your server is kicking anyone in silver league by fine march….such a pity….dont get me wrong tho, I am glad you on silver league,prefer this over nothing at all.

My problem is that deso roamers are mostly split into three kinds:
1)The best-super-strong-players who kills you when you 1v7 and having a tea party on your corpse afterwards.
2)The extreamly-lovely-one of a kind-players who ran away from you when they 2v1 you even! and after a while they get super mad at you and just joining a random zerg and becomes the (1) kind of players or the “hmm…this tower looks nice ima gonna look at my chaser from there maybe i will get a nice view of him” kind of players.
3)The super brave nice guys which actually fights you but eventually after couple of seconds they becomes (2) which eventually leads to (1).

But cheers for all the good(and bad but yet)roamers out there-you are the real wvwers!

Desolation belongs to Gold league,but dont get me wrong what they did is pure awesomeness cause w/o them silver league would have been a boring league.
So thank you Deso guys much love and much lootbags please.

Skorpnox.8327:

Sandrox.9524:

Desoaltion always were on top tier and when seasons announced they suddenly downgraded. you can say “I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE” dont you?
And the consipiracy guys here,please quit the game and log off the computer and jump from the window or somthing when ppl from both servers ganking you it is not because they formed an alliances,it is because they hate you. so embrace the hate. cheers :-]

Please, make it either Desolation or Desolution, or at least put some effort into your very weak attempt to troll. If you’re totally dedicated to trolling make it ‘Tankolation’, like that Shino guy or something. You might actually get a ‘wtfbbqyousuck’ reaction back then, and feel like you’ve accomplished something in your gw2-forumwarrior carreer.

But yeah, just wanted to post here to say Rox is da man. That music.. the golems last night.. had a great time. Had some good fights too.

If my post was actually a “Troll” I Could say troll is successfull due to your mad reaction.
But since it wasnt I should say “Not sure if trolling or just stupid”.But yet again Im not “Troll”

Desoaltion always were on top tier and when seasons announced they suddenly downgraded. you can say “I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE” dont you?
And the consipiracy guys here,please quit the game and log off the computer and jump from the window or somthing when ppl from both servers ganking you it is not because they formed an alliances,it is because they hate you. so embrace the hate. cheers :-]

I dont get why ppl complaining about temporary alliances,it is very legit and understandable. Read “Art of war” your enemies enemy is your friend. and sometimes to destroy a well fortified location you need any help you get and if it shares both servers goal it is very logical that they would team up on it-fair play so stop the kitten and play better!

Nice fight tonight at MS border garrison cheers for oO guild and the guardian on the AC who got downed by me in middle of his +30 zerg

Just to be clear: IR cast time addon is final?