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You basically playing one of those builds players in wvw avoiding. :P
you need somthing to be able to hold ppl in place imo

MSFone.3026:

I know for the top players this isn’t true, but for many I think it is, but part of the issue is that I can play shatter and succeed while paying less attention to my enemy’s actions. Sure you need to time your stuff, but with lockdown you need to pay twice as much attention because you are timing your own dmg, paying attention to everything they are doing, AND trying to distinguish what are the key abilities to interrupt. I cant see a reason why not to utilize this with all of your play and not just on lockdown? paying twice attention,and timing your dmg+watching enemy movement is crucial to any pvp play regardless of class or build.

So your base level of attention and awareness has to be higher, and on top of that your reflex level knowledge of other classes has to be pretty complete.same as above

This for me is the real challenge, it’s just that much more time to not only master my own class, but I kind of need to know every other class pretty well in order to lockdown truly well. Or I can go shatter and just yolo burst as warlord said (lol).
Ppl say yolo burst,but it isnt really,timing your burst is very important.(watch for protection,blocking skills,invuranblity and such).using every shatter skill smartly aswell.

In general,lockdown mesmer can reach higher dmg than shatter(might stack and targets would almost have perma 10+ stack of vurnability – if played correctly).
but shatter have much easier access to dealing dmg,while lockdown have to build it.

I think,and it is only my opinion,that the reason lockdown mesmers havent seen on high end toruney,is because 1.mesmer in general is less welcomed in high level pvp.
2.Mesmer shatter spec was and still is the prominent spec.
3.Lockdown is still “young” build which ppl yet to really appreciate.

Thank you ! very useful.

witcher.3197:

Sandrox.9524:

Shatter can hold point as long it is not against more than 1 or they are not aware of you and you managed to open the fight on good burst.Second,both playstyles cant really compete against two players on point.Lockdown mesmer is good against bunkers aswell,I rememebr lots of time I am fighting a guard who tank the point and manage to kill him quick cause I didnt let him use any of his obvious healing animation skills and protection ripped easly with dodge+f2 on close.

I can’t fight on point.

Seems the case.

S/D are easy to fight with the right setup.basically,I use s/s and staff getting swordsman and warlok up,while fighting it they somtimes get hit by them and they hit alot,+ I try to get chaos armor up most of the time(null field,chaos storm,chaos armor) using phase retreat combo.And try to watch they they do the drinking plasma animation and inturpt it.

Shatter can hold point as long it is not against more than 1 or they are not aware of you and you managed to open the fight on good burst.Second,both playstyles cant really compete against two players on point.Lockdown mesmer is good against bunkers aswell,I rememebr lots of time I am fighting a guard who tank the point and manage to kill him quick cause I didnt let him use any of his obvious healing animation skills and protection ripped easly with dodge+f2 on close.

Thanks for sharing!

xiao.6794:

Sandrox.9524:

xiao.6794:

Sandrox.9524:

xiao.6794:

Sandrox.9524:

Most of the stuff in this video is how you gank ppl,not much of a video material to me,altough there are some fights you could say matched(and you did very well and it was nice),but it was like they came 1 by 1 to you.
And why the hell I watched two minutes of you just running away from 3v5 to eventually see you 3v1 someone ?

yop !

juste tell me something?

how can u gank ppl in outnumbered? just want to know ^^?!

so u saw us in 3v1? mm let me check when?

or maybe when we killed his friend so maybe yes but before we got a 3v1 that was a 5v3 or 3v3 right ? ^^ so we should let me him go after attack us? really lol

i am not so nice for that

if we wanna do 5v5 we wont run away but like u saw we was in they camp close so they back many time to us even we killed them they back again so just have fun a play with them its enought for us !

I just dont understand most of what you say.How you gank ppl when outnum? you mean outnumbered buff or that you actually outnumbered? cause outnumbered buff dosnt mean anything and you were certainly wasnt outnumbered on most of the occasions there.
But it is clear in the video that you running from a 3v5 and then after done running you chase 1 ranger with two of your guys,you kill it and you even use emote after.
You were near thier tower,not close camp.

so we chase a ranger with my team? lol maybe its a necro no? at the end ?
but tell me this necro have 2 friends just before? no? the true is his chase us first and we kill them back ^^ so that is why the emote “dont chase us”

but then happy to see u can find something like this in my vid like !
3v5…let me laugh u know with a real group guild we can make 5Vs5-10
this time was really fun to show how they was hungry and angry

i am on Augury rock so lets make a real 5v5 and u will see we can fight without running ^^

I dont know why you spreading so much hate now,I really dont want to point you on the right moments(and there are alot) in your vid about you ganking ppl,my comment was rather critque and not a complaint.You would rather post some better footage than running away,and then chasing a 1 guy with 3 ppl..and dont get me wrong,till the moment you wrote team stealth or somthing the video was superb.

back

yeah ok i wont kill a pure single guy without his friends anymore ^^
just for you i ll put some 5v5 (real) next time maybe that will be more fun
but ty for ur feedback even we dont have a same POV about WvW

here is somes fight we did last year in full guild Vs Xxxx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgadyvQja20

You missing the point.
I didnt said it is wrong to kill single guys,I said it is not somthing you need to show on a video.

xiao.6794:

Sandrox.9524:

xiao.6794:

Sandrox.9524:

Most of the stuff in this video is how you gank ppl,not much of a video material to me,altough there are some fights you could say matched(and you did very well and it was nice),but it was like they came 1 by 1 to you.
And why the hell I watched two minutes of you just running away from 3v5 to eventually see you 3v1 someone ?

yop !

juste tell me something?

how can u gank ppl in outnumbered? just want to know ^^?!

so u saw us in 3v1? mm let me check when?

or maybe when we killed his friend so maybe yes but before we got a 3v1 that was a 5v3 or 3v3 right ? ^^ so we should let me him go after attack us? really lol

i am not so nice for that

if we wanna do 5v5 we wont run away but like u saw we was in they camp close so they back many time to us even we killed them they back again so just have fun a play with them its enought for us !

I just dont understand most of what you say.How you gank ppl when outnum? you mean outnumbered buff or that you actually outnumbered? cause outnumbered buff dosnt mean anything and you were certainly wasnt outnumbered on most of the occasions there.
But it is clear in the video that you running from a 3v5 and then after done running you chase 1 ranger with two of your guys,you kill it and you even use emote after.
You were near thier tower,not close camp.

so we chase a ranger with my team? lol maybe its a necro no? at the end ?
but tell me this necro have 2 friends just before? no? the true is his chase us first and we kill them back ^^ so that is why the emote “dont chase us”

but then happy to see u can find something like this in my vid like !
3v5…let me laugh u know with a real group guild we can make 5Vs5-10
this time was really fun to show how they was hungry and angry

i am on Augury rock so lets make a real 5v5 and u will see we can fight without running ^^

I dont know why you spreading so much hate now,I really dont want to point you on the right moments(and there are alot) in your vid about you ganking ppl,my comment was rather critque and not a complaint.You would rather post some better footage than running away,and then chasing a 1 guy with 3 ppl..and dont get me wrong,till the moment you wrote team stealth or somthing the video was superb.

witcher.3197:

Sandrox.9524:

witcher.3197:

Well there is 1 viable condi build for mes: clone death

The teamfight pressure is significantly lower than a shatter mesmer’s, but can easily take most fights on sidenodes.

Lockdown IMO is just a weaker version of shatter.

Lockdown is counter play while shatter is full offense,lockdown is more tanky than shatter,and lockdown uses passive phntasms use while shatter use for insta burst+shatter. So yeah they both the same lol.

If you are talking aout the 4/4/6 lockdown: same weapons, same amulet, only 1 utility that’s different, and most of the traits are the same too. Plus you do use your shatter skills. Not saying it’s the same, just very similar still less effective than shatter.

1.You dont use torch for lockdown.So that is differ weapons.
2.Your build is way way differ.
3.lockdown ususally better use rune of the mesmer,while shatter is better str or trav.differ runeset.

Shatter have different role than lockdown.When I run shatter,I always aware of my clones-enemies position,while on lockdown I dont bother and jsut let my phntasams tick health pools,while countring attacks and kite around.For me,it is more like phantasam build with more countring benefical element.

xiao.6794:

Sandrox.9524:

Most of the stuff in this video is how you gank ppl,not much of a video material to me,altough there are some fights you could say matched(and you did very well and it was nice),but it was like they came 1 by 1 to you.
And why the hell I watched two minutes of you just running away from 3v5 to eventually see you 3v1 someone ?

yop !

juste tell me something?

how can u gank ppl in outnumbered? just want to know ^^?!

so u saw us in 3v1? mm let me check when?

or maybe when we killed his friend so maybe yes but before we got a 3v1 that was a 5v3 or 3v3 right ? ^^ so we should let me him go after attack us? really lol

i am not so nice for that

if we wanna do 5v5 we wont run away but like u saw we was in they camp close so they back many time to us even we killed them they back again so just have fun a play with them its enought for us !

I just dont understand most of what you say.How you gank ppl when outnum? you mean outnumbered buff or that you actually outnumbered? cause outnumbered buff dosnt mean anything and you were certainly wasnt outnumbered on most of the occasions there.
But it is clear in the video that you running from a 3v5 and then after done running you chase 1 ranger with two of your guys,you kill it and you even use emote after.
You were near thier tower,not close camp.

Very situational I would say…
it depends on the ally class,downed player class too.
Most of the time tho to secure a stomp you need to make sure the certain class dosnt have a stomp avoidable skill (teleport and stealth)..just use distrotion and save your decoy to use afterwards to start over the fight.

I….WOULD…kittenG….BUY THAT~!

witcher.3197:

Well there is 1 viable condi build for mes: clone death

The teamfight pressure is significantly lower than a shatter mesmer’s, but can easily take most fights on sidenodes.

Lockdown IMO is just a weaker version of shatter.

Lockdown is counter play while shatter is full offense,lockdown is more tanky than shatter,and lockdown uses passive phntasms use while shatter use for insta burst+shatter. So yeah they both the same lol.

witcher.3197:

Sandrox.9524:

I didnt mean really for 3 izerkers, you can have duelist and a zerker or swordsman and zerker.zerker is important,cause of cripple.

This topic is about GS/Staff, you do not have duelist or swordsman (you shouldn’t have that with anything btw).

3 izerkers and you in the middle.(AND DO NOT SHATTER)
(…)
The point is that if you keep at least two phntasms the thief will eat dmg everytime he will get out of stealth

Shortbow. He takes your phantasms down in 1-2 shots, not to mention that autoattack bounces, if you stand close to your clones the attack hits you, your clone and then you again. And it’s pretty easy to dodge iZerker and Warlock, he can do that too. After he’s done with your phantasms and a large portion of your hp, the thief will switch to main set and execute you, likely. Encouraging a shatter mes to play it like a phantasm build is a bad idea, you should look for an opportunity to burst the thief instead.

Plus you are assuming the thief isn’t s/d, in which case he does not even have to change sets, he can just use dagger 4 and fire procs to get rid of your phantasms.

And while a sword set instead of a staff is also pretty good, it drastically decreases your access to movement and positioning tools + you sacrifice a great AoE skill that could deny stomps and resses.

That is what happens when you only read half of the replies here.

We didnt spoke about gs/staff anymore,we spoke on mesmer vs d/d thief.

and the second thing you mentioned,Shotbow..again we spoke about thieves with d/d who just avoid you by CnD your illusions,so while it is true,to force thief switch to shortbow,it is what we want and hence proving my point.After that,you go play your shatter burst against helpless SB thief.

killahmayne.9518:

Sandrox.9524:

killahmayne.9518:

I think thieves countering shatter mesmers is more of an accurate statement. Thieves have a lot of stealth and disengage potential as well as mobility, isn’t too hard for them to single out the mesmer in a group fight and drop their health with a steal combo.

Also in duels, a D/D thief can just CnD off of your clones until they land a backstab, pretty much as many times as they want. You can catch em with a shatter but it can be difficult. It is even more difficult for S/D thieves, they just teleport all over the place and daze you. It is a really tough match up for shatter mesmers for sure in this current meta.

You know what to do against those ride the CnD thieves? 3 izerkers and you in the middle.(AND DO NOT SHATTER),and if you have mantra od distraction,you have a dead thief.

lol, and how long does it take to summon 3 izerkers? 50 seconds? And this isn’t assuming the thief is smart enough to kill the phantasms and you never dodge because your clones will override the phantasms. And in a group fight what are the chances of even having more than 1 zerker alive at one time? And you are really taking mantra of distraction? Over something like portal or the condition removal mantra? Or decoy?

I didnt mean really for 3 izerkers, you can have duelist and a zerker or swordsman and zerker.zerker is important,cause of cripple.The point is that if you keep at least two phntasms the thief will eat dmg everytime he will get out of stealth,more so if he get dazed,and yes,I take decoy Mantra of distraction and blink.I use portal only in spvp,and you rarly see a d/d thief in spvp…and even so,when you on point is alot more easier to control them.The only thing is to avoid getting BACKstabbed that could be tricky.In wvw I played both ends(as a d/d thief and a mesmer) and played alot and i find it hard to kill phntasms while ignoring the mesmer itself…

SlimChance.6593:

killahmayne.9518:

I think thieves countering shatter mesmers is more of an accurate statement. Thieves have a lot of stealth and disengage potential as well as mobility, isn’t too hard for them to single out the mesmer in a group fight and drop their health with a steal combo.

Also in duels, a D/D thief can just CnD off of your clones until they land a backstab, pretty much as many times as they want. You can catch em with a shatter but it can be difficult. It is even more difficult for S/D thieves, they just teleport all over the place and daze you. It is a really tough match up for shatter mesmers for sure in this current meta.

It also doesn’t help when thieves “steal” Consume Plasma from us. If I played thief, I’d single out the Mesmer as well. We give them an Elite skill!

Really, I think if Consume plasma was changed so that it was a “random” 5 boons instead of EVERY BOON, then it wouldn’t be so one-sided. Mesmers have to live with “random” in all their skills, it makes sense that a skill “stolen” from a Mesmer should also be “random”.

Is there any other profession that can get EVERY BOON for 10 seconds in one skill?

Engineer prolly

If i am on my roaming squad I listen to tracks like this->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvq7Jy-TFAU
If im on spvp I listen to this->http://8tracks.com/will_mero/eargasmic-study this makes me super focused:P

killahmayne.9518:

I think thieves countering shatter mesmers is more of an accurate statement. Thieves have a lot of stealth and disengage potential as well as mobility, isn’t too hard for them to single out the mesmer in a group fight and drop their health with a steal combo.

Also in duels, a D/D thief can just CnD off of your clones until they land a backstab, pretty much as many times as they want. You can catch em with a shatter but it can be difficult. It is even more difficult for S/D thieves, they just teleport all over the place and daze you. It is a really tough match up for shatter mesmers for sure in this current meta.

You know what to do against those ride the CnD thieves? 3 izerkers and you in the middle.(AND DO NOT SHATTER),and if you have mantra od distraction,you have a dead thief.

Double range is not because sword is not reliable.Double range is because ppl think that if the pros play it,they should.Sword is still very handy.And yes,mesmer CAN stay on point(unless outnumbered ofc).Mesmer+tank guard can destory worlds.

Most of the stuff in this video is how you gank ppl,not much of a video material to me,altough there are some fights you could say matched(and you did very well and it was nice),but it was like they came 1 by 1 to you.
And why the hell I watched two minutes of you just running away from 3v5 to eventually see you 3v1 someone ?

SA could work very well in pvp,nothing said the thief needs to take points,thieves can’t decap a point,nor tanking one,so all this crap about stealth and capping points is stupid.
You could use SA for dealing against condi heavies+being a medic.

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SYPHA.9283:

Lmao, getting QQ??

Cmon my main is a thief, easist cheese class in game. you either spam 2222222 or 33333333. not much skill in playing a thief atm. Well maybe 5 once in awhile.

But, i do so enjoy the thief forums , yall think youre really good at a cheese class.

lmfao 3333322222233333332222222

I sometimes wonder if anet made thieves for kittens???

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/SYPHA-9283/showposts

hmmm lol longbow pewpew ranger complaining about thief doing 222333322333
first of all if a thief kills you with that you are a total noob,secondly,longbow is not better than 2233322235 , at least 22233332225 needs to be in melee range and not 54311111111111114311111111143111111111,1300m away.

kyubi.3620:

Im not saying i cant kill them but i take a perverse pleasure on punishing them to the point if one is realy bad at its build ill even spawn point farm him till he ragequit the match (who cares if i loose that hotjoint i got a jerk to torment and god know ill ENJOY it). The defrence between other class and D/P is they take way longuer to chase or to kill due to constant excape and thats anoying i dont like when my prey runs away constantly.

You see its all anchored in the fact i used to run D/D shadow arts, I respect the fact a stealth thief needs to connect cloak and dagger to actualy stealth constantly as it force the thief to melee contact and allows the player to actualy score a few hits between stealthing phase, however blackpowder makes a joke out of d/d glorious backstab set because it doesnt even need a blow to connect or to actualy strike something to stealth constantly from smoke fields and i realy cant stand that.

No realy there are kind of players who deserve a long painful agonising death and i consider it a duty to punish them accordingly when given the chance. You heard me all of you D/P thieves? I want to hear you scream!

You forget the simple fact that black powder+HS combo do require much more inti,and have less stealth time than CnD?

kyubi.3620:

i dont mind S/D and P/D but i must admit that D/P makes me mad to no end. I dont mind dealing with heartseeker spammer i dont mind D/D backstabs and i actualy wouldnt mind backstabs in the first place if it wasnt for the fact this build is constantly hiding in stealth and avoiding chains while running away and escaping with like 20 seconds stealth the moment its about to die. Like holy crap you darn coward come here and fight already stop hiding i didnt sharpen that edged weapon just so you could heal yourself fully by hiding like this!

Behing myself a S/D thief wich practicaly nearly never rely on stealth save for refuge and cloak escape i find fighting d/p thief who constantly stealth spam with blinding powder utherly frustrating. There is no counterplay to that its just called endure the constant stealthing phase and avoid getting stabbed in the back. At least D/D needs to connect a blow to go invisible D/P does not and has easy access to blind making it into some kind of glorified version of D/D stealth spam. do all the darn backstabs you want but god sake stop constantly stealthing like this its makes fools out of people who actualy works their head off building stuff. There is no counter to a constantly stealthing thief save for a bunker build a mass turret enginer or a tanky guard and that alone is a hint that something is utherly wrong.

I dont mean to say that D/P is easy mode it might just be difficult to place damage with since BS work only on back or side but if playing thief meant behing a ’’BLEEP’’ then likely it exemplify it.

Like they say… there is no honor amongst thieves. Those that do fight honorably generaly gets killed by other thieves that do not.

I find d/p thieves pretty much easy on my S/D dunno what is your problem really :o
I just attack the thin air with my sword somtimes use the basilisk venom and when you see that the venom buff is gone it means you got him and just continue to auto attack where it hits+you can reach him even if he is in the blind field cause the sword can reach farther.Most of them squishy as kitten so 4 auto attacks would almost kill them.
And if I know he have less then 30% health I switch to SB and cluster the whole area if he stealth.

Tealots.6095:

Don’t have it from sPvP, but it’s one of my favorite sword skins. Very Mesmer-y.

more thief-y to me :P

Fay.2357:

Sandrox.9524:

Miku Lawrence.6329:

You’re awful.

Yes,it is a bit harsh,but it is true.PU dosnt offer nothing to the team,it is a solo roaming build.You might want shatter build with boon removal or lockdown for control,not “bunkering” pu mesmer.

Yeah…this is simply incorrect.

Fay.2357:

sustain sustain sustain sustain bla bla sustain

sigh..this is like seeing the good thing in a very bad thing.Very very werid prespective on this…
To make it short,there is no way PU build,shadow reju build or any stealth focus build,anywhere reliable in tpvp.you cant do nothing againt real bunker,you cant really hold a point or decap a point.Next thing you know the medic thief is the new meta…
So yeah you can prolong a fight,kudos!

Miku Lawrence.6329:

You’re awful.

Yes,it is a bit harsh,but it is true.PU dosnt offer nothing to the team,it is a solo roaming build.You might want shatter build with boon removal or lockdown for control,not “bunkering” pu mesmer.
One thing he is wrong tho,PU mesmers can be very annoying if they have gs.So idiot or not,you will be bound to fight them.

T raw.4658:

Must post translations with non English chatter

kthx

Well,my dutch is not the best,tho i can tell he swear at the start(son of a …),and then complaining that he can only come with 10 ppl and that he is a bad player

PU is great for wvw roaming!
But PU is inferior to other builds in tpvp,cause you cant capture node with stealth.And even tho PU ppl say it is very good bunkering,you need to ask yourself,if you really want to bunker,so why mesmer? take guard.better tanking.That is not the role mesmers should fill.

rogerwilko.6895:

what is the steal bug?

Somtimes it dosnt steal,somtimes you get the lag look alike when you steal.
Mostly happens if you use skill+steal.

in group play in dungeons focus is really good cause it can gets mobs together with the pull,and that AI would not run away from iwarden.

This skill is so stupid,but very helpful.
They can tweak it abit to make you invisible and then teleport you to another place close by and the clone to another and that both would get out of stealth in the same time.
too much?

Does somone know if Anet gonna do somthing about the steal bug? it feels so weird to use it right now,pretty much gamebreaking for me.

Hi,
very nice video,I watched your d/d elem video aswell and I have a question:
what is the name of the song there that starts at 9:00?

NinjaEd.3946:

xXBurningEmberXx.6085:

How am I not generating the 10k I c in vids? Has is been needed?

Where have you been exactly? Thief has been nerfed a lot since launch, and it isn’t going to get any better. If you want to play like thief did back from the beginning best you pick a new profession and save the effort.

P/D thieves dosnt care about the thief changes cause ANET only buffing them.There is p/d thieves,and there is thieves.

That is why p/d preplex dire thieves should get banned from the game.

jihm.2315:

Sandrox.9524:

Sorry,but as a mesmer/s/d thief mains,I QQ alot on the preplexity/dire p/d thieves.Cause thieves cant be avoided like others(pu mesmer for instant).
Condi spam is so OP in this game that wvw meta is almost everything condi.

“counter class”
im new to thief i play condi thief and i cant beat almost anyone besides some faceroll rangers and some beginer mesmers
warriors always one shot me

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Video-No-weapons-roaming-and-dueling/first#post4493307
You doing it wrong then….

Sorry,but as a mesmer/s/d thief mains,I QQ alot on the preplexity/dire p/d thieves.Cause thieves cant be avoided like others(pu mesmer for instant).
Condi spam is so OP in this game that wvw meta is almost everything condi.

I bet non tried to moa’ed a tuna ;] (standing in land and moa it).

OH!
How I didnt seen this thread!
IGN: White illusioner
Role: Pretty much all 3.
Server: Gandara(EU)
Playstle: WvW and some tpvp!
Time: Not much :/ hard days are comin!

Hi Draxx,

Couple of things I would like to add to what others said:
1.Chaos storm should never be used “just like that”,meaning,placing chaos storm should be when you can hold ppl inside or placing it on yourself for inc melee attack.In your video,I’ve seen so many times that you placing a chaos storm on far away players that got two steps out of it.
2.Using blink for no reasons.
3.I dont think mirror image is worth using,apart for stun break-fast distortion.

p.s
The fight in the end against the thief was the only one worth putting imo,the thief really did well dealing with your conditions.

Simon.3794:

kabeo.9638:

you cant just spam dodges and hope that you will somehow survive and if you want to play as thief not going stealth every 1-2 hits to reposition/heal you need to avoid many skills
Sure i use daze, but it is situational, it is not like backstabb in dagger build when you relay on it as main source of dmg, 2second daze wont be a deciding factor when you are not playing burst build.

And what is hard about warrior? You got health, dmg, armor, sustain, mobility… everything with easy access. Warriors have crazy mobility, if they decide midfight that they want to run I can’t do much as a thief – well i can burst all my initiative to maybe catch up to him but good luck after that.

Yea dude, you just spam all the dodges and avoid all the skills, not like it takes skill to spam them “invulnerability” to have a huge “sustain”. it’s so easy it’s unreal. im not sure how you are acting like evading skills are hard as acro thief. not to mention how your build is basically built to spam the most 3 possible.

2nd daze is a huge factor against any PPC builds, you go in daze them 2 seconds and do you AAs, they can get down to half health in that 2nd if you actually have air fire.

I’m sorry, i don’t really want to call you a noob, but health does not matter, that’s why guardian has so much sustain, the best bunker and eles can sustain just as long if not longer then warrior with lowest base HP and lowest armor.
and also, warrior does not have crazy mobility, 1st of all, all of those mobilities can be interrupted, affacted by conditions and they are on foot mobilities, unlike teleportation, which can instantly get you out of any potential burst or trouble while re positioning yourself. secondly, warrior needs to spec to have insane mobility, if you are losing to a greatsword sword warhorn warrior, then you are bad, like super bad. because they are just jokes.

Also i like how you just say i’m a “no stealth thief”, but you just called all warrior have insane mobility. it’s funny. let’s make a thread about PPC axe axe triple physical warrior complain about how all thieves just stealth all the time.

i would so gladly help you on acro s/d if you just didn’t bring up warrior, just cuz you “felt” like you have to show the world that you are a complete ignorant and don’t really know the game yet act like you know all, thats the way you ask for help.

He is right y’know,warriors need to have gs+sword/x to have really good mobility,and most of the warriors who use it are zergfesters or bullscharge 100b which is pretty much -enter a word which will get censored-.
Thieves have the easiest escapes,you talking about whirlwind and rush? that is nothing compare to thieves they can just CnDyou and get away CnDing things on the way.
I dont even play a warrior(about 100 hours of play) but I mostly play thief and I usually cant catch up a warrior,but,it goes on both ends,and not just that,thieves can do even better with stealth.

Simonoly.4352:

I’ve just been using this for a good year now: http://tinyurl.com/o7by6av

Nothing special and not particularly original, but probably the most viable condition interrupt build I’ve used for small group roaming.

That build is exactly what I told him,which he said mobility is a king,which I dont really sure how 6s lower cd gonna help it.I would rather take far reach manipulation instead of the fury on phantasms.Cause blink von awesome.

Would rather use staff instead of sc/f cause it offers more defense and mobility,and have access to alot of conds and Iwarlok would hit alot with your condi spam,also,you have one manipulation skill,and yet you think it is better reduce it cd by 6s instead of having DD for extra condi pressure,I would like to know why.

Fay.2357:

And when you say ‘almost every power build’, what you actually mean is ‘the power builds that for some reason never take anything in inspration, don’t have room for the mantra, aren’t able to take traited torch, and don’t want to take pDisenchanter’. We can simplify that down to ‘the build I use’.

Haha,that is a good one.
Didnt know the usual shatter build or the usual lockdown build are mine!

If you don’t think about condie removal on every profession in the game when creating builds, you’re doing it wrong. I’ve 1shot thieves with just the torment block because they were full glass with no condition removal. Every single profession must take all aspects of the game into account, you just don’t want to do it the way mesmers do it, you want to do it the way [insert non-mesmer profession here] does it.

My mistake,I dont think about condi cleanse as much on other proffesions as I think on my mesmer.

Fay.2357:

Sandrox.9524:

I agree with you on the torch,havnt said that it is not reliable,only the image is.
dischanter is not though,you might wanna try fighting the most hard condi classes,like necros and engineers,which kills it right before it even spawned,or against p/d thief that even if I have two dischanters on would still spam condis on you.

You really think I haven’t fought top notch engineers, necromancers, and p/d thieves? The pDisenchanter works just spectacularly as long as you don’t just spam it on cooldown and hope it does something.

Sandrox.9524:

I know that skilled player can kill condi heavy without any condi removals,I already said,that I killed them many times(not saying im skilled or anything but I am sure I have more skill than some of the players I faced) but skills aside,ob even grounds,condi heavy and especially those dire/preplex ppl are very hard to beat,while we are “easy” pray to them.

And so this brings it back to the complaint that I noted earlier. “I want better condition removal because the one build I like playing doesn’t faceroll every other build in the game.” This is not a valid complaint, sorry.

It is not one build sorry,it is almost every power build.
dischanter works great on bunkers yea. cause they barly touch it.It works very well when you use it on melee range(guarantee hit).It dosnt work very well,when fighting aoe based class or p/d thief.

why cant we have a weapon skill that clear conditions like almost every proffesion have ?
why we cant have a better working Image?
why kitten ,when every theorycrafting a build on mesmer,I have to think about condi removal while on other proffesion I dont even mind that?
and lastly I dont resent Pyro or anyone else for arguing about something,we are all adults here(I think :P)

@Chaos
I didnt opened this thread,true I have problems some times with condi heavies,but I get along with no removals,and manage to play without it.

Fay.2357:

Sandrox.9524:

Pyro,you know the typical shatter build we all love,what tweak can you do to it,that would help that build manage condis,and eya you can switch the awesome trait that rip boons on shatter for the torch thing,and yes you can also replace one of our cruical escapes for mantra of reslove,but it will lose the shatter main role and his survivability.

I take the condition removal mantra, that’s all. As it so happens, shatter builds have unbelievably high burst output, along with very strong active defense, good mobility, and lots of access to stunbreakers. A build that has all of that doesn’t get to have fantastic condition removal as well, because it shouldn’t need it. The condition removal mantra is all that you need given skilled play.

I know that skilled player can kill condi heavy without any condi removals,I already said,that I killed them many times(not saying im skilled or anything but I am sure I have more skill than some of the players I faced) but skills aside,ob even grounds,condi heavy and especially those dire/preplex ppl are very hard to beat,while we are “easy” pray to them.

Fay.2357:

Sandrox.9524:

Nope,I did read it all,but since dischanter is not reliable condi cleanser(long cast time,the AI need to actually hits somthing and need to be placed within certain range)
and torch skill is a mediocre condi cleanse(cause of Image basically)to actually have spammable condi removal you need all.

As it so happens, you’re wrong. The disenchanter is highly reliable given that you have enough skill to use it. Once you cast it, it removes conditions at an incredibly high rate. The torch skills are fantastically reliable, because they remove conditions simply on cast. If the iMage also manages to hit something, it removes even more (which is more of a side benefit, not a main feature).

I agree with you on the torch,havnt said that it is not reliable,only the image is.
dischanter is not though,you might wanna try fighting the most hard condi classes,like necros and engineers,which kills it right before it even spawned,or against p/d thief that even if I have two dischanters on would still spam condis on you.

MailMail.6534:

I’m not seeing the argument here. I think Mesmers have various consistent and reliable ways to remove conditions if that’s something you worry about.

Your problem might be that you’re stuck using Decoy/Blink/S.Domination/Portal and/or you just have to trait 4 for Deceptive Evasion.

On the controray,if I already used 4 for DE,I wouldnt mind using menders purity with mantras since it “only” placing 4 more points.With the exception of shatter build.

Pyro,you know the typical shatter build we all love,what tweak can you do to it,that would help that build manage condis,and eya you can switch the awesome trait that rip boons on shatter for the torch thing,and yes you can also replace one of our cruical escapes for mantra of reslove,but it will lose the shatter main role and his survivability.