Guild Wars 2

Fay.2357:

Uhm. I think I’m missing the question here. Are you just asking if PU is good for roaming? If so then yes, it’s the best roaming build.

I can see why you missed the question,though,I had two questions one which you answered and the other one is what about shatter build? is it viable for roaming aswell?it is just me who cant manage to do well on 1v2 against competent opponets?

Very nice vid man

I want to know what is the community here thinks about PU.that said please respect other guys and thier opinions and keep it civil as possible.

I played my memser alot,have like 5 different sets for him and 3 different builds(not including the typical shatter build and non of them PU based).I been to lots of other builds aswell,tried many things.
have over 100k kills in wvw and almost rank 1500.+on rank 37 at pvp.(mostly playing mesmer,thief and a bit of guard).I used to run shatter build when I roam,but I find now that it is too easy getting ganked with it.Cant manage to handle two guys,or even a bloody d/p thief without using mantra of distraction..and speaking of dazes,I played for the last month,the lockdown build which Chaos posted,with much success but still not easy on two targets.it’s just that Im too squishy hence im a bit of an easy target.The PU build offers more survivablity in loss of some dmg(not the condi one)
I know shatter mesmer was or maybe still the most lethal build,but is it worth roaming with?

The moa morph is not better than mass invis,I think stomp preventer/stealth ress/stealth stomp/surprise buttsex/90 cd is better than 1 time elite skill preventer with 180cd.

I did tried in the last week the new optimazion with menders purity and harmonic mantras,and I got to say that I been struggling alot,it seems im more focused on getting my mantras up than dmging the opponet.The heal spike is low,and in a fight,and especially when you using interupt build when you have to time your every move/skill correctly,adding the mantra heal is just make it even harder.And above all,you will not have protection on regen which is remarkly helpful for survival.

Trybil.1567:

8/10
Love the look of the little guy. Wouldn’t want to run into him after dark.

Mine is nothing special but I like the sexy but dangerous “punk” look. Beware the claws.

Well,as you said,nothing special it is a common attire for light femal characters , but still I like this attire 7/10.

This is my dude.

Do it yourself,but mind you that you cannot wear two ofthe same ring (eg You cannot equip two ring of doric unless only one of them infused)but there are others there with same stats.
And yes,ascended items can be swapped betwin toons.

Hello ppl,Im currently use power-spectral-kinda build which obivously rely on DS.
Im having huge problem killing bunker builds on point,(Im used to be thief and mesmer in pvp and with them I can kill bunkers easly)but the dps with necro seems a bit slow paced which let them regen.Is this the weakness of my build or Im just doing it wrong?

They give chaos armor to clone when the clone is in middle of a chaos strom/null field or timewrap and the mesmer using combo finsiher→leap.(e.g phase retreat,ileap).

for faksake because of these guys the thief class look like a beat up class,STOP THE QQ AND STOP THE NERF we have no more things to sacrifice for your QQing.

updated the previous post with the entire crash log.

I dont think fighting PU mesmer is hard,it is just longish,shadows embrace pretty much cancel them out.

against necro is a bit tricky,if the necro is condi heavy you have to watch out for DS #5,always keep cond clear for that you will noticei t when green stuff coming to you or you will have torment stacks.Always try to pressure him and dps him down quick in DS.

If it is a power necro,watch for thier DS,when they enter it try to stealth as much as possible,and/or dps them down while trying be on thier back,they have powerfull #1 skill which does alot of dmg,staying at thier back will make it hard for them to hit you.

In general,most of the necros use staff,always try not to step on thier marks and if you see them just standing still it means they are in the center of marks,so watch out from that.
also in DS,if you see them using #4 or #5 skills,try to stun/daze them cause those skills are channeling skills which can be inturrpted.

Here is the crash error.

I like that ppl have different sets of skills here,it means mesmer has in depth range of playstyle.
Mantra of distraction-this mantra is so kitteng great,cause it can cancel out a heal which is pretty much endgame.
Chaos strom-what can I say? CC+dmg AOE which NO smart player would try to cross + 8 sec of chaos armor(with phase retreat combo)
Null field-AOE condition cleanser AND boon stripping AND another source of chaos armor!
Next runners up would be the common blink which I keep in every build and decoy.

Amonatory.2453:

Sandrox.9524:

Amonatory.2453:

Sandrox.9524:

Amonatory.2453:

Sandrox.9524:

Amonatory.2453:

Sandrox.9524:

Funny how everyone says thieves while everyone are thieves,so you can kill each other easly,bad logic.

It’s not bad logic. When I roam I always find thieves but they are never even remotely good. Even in PvP thieves are awful, so it’s actually logical to say that we think killing other thieves is easy because it literally is. Someone feel free to say I’m not right, how often do you find a good thief? Very rarely.

And yet, every one here says that thief is the easiest target on thief forum(which imply that they are thieves mostly). I find alot of good thieves in pvp,cause I do alot of tpvp.Hotjoins dosn’t count y’know

It’s like all saying that they get the upperhand against all cows and they all are a cows!

You think I hotjoin? Are you high? I do only Tpvp and never hotjoin, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Sorry if you took it to the wrong way,didn’t ment to be disrespectful.

No I took it the only way to take it. You basically stated that I do hotjoins because I think most pvp thieves are bad. No, I think they are bad because most try to fight me and just have no clue what they are doing not in hotjoins but in tpvp. I still stick with what I said earlier, thieves are easy to beat because they need to l2p.

I didnt state anything,I was just saying that hotjoins dosn’t count as an example,I dont know who you are and how skilled you are,which I obviously know now based on your comment.So forgive me for my lack of knowledge about the best thieves in the world which you clearly are base on your post.And forgive me again for saying thieves earlier,I ment the best thief in the world.

Yeah man you got me. I clearly stated to be the best thief ever. Also saying that you stated nothing is absolutely stupid, you assumed that because I said most pvp thieves don’t know how to play the class and stated that I hotjoin. I’m not understanding what you’re trying to get at tbh, you don’t know me so you “state” things that aren’t true, learn things before you talk.

Wow man you are such an antigonist,all I was saying is that hotjoin dosn’t count .As part of not knowing you,I can assume things what ever I like and you allowed to correct me,hence why when you replied to me, I did apologized,I don’t know what else do you want from me.

Amonatory.2453:

Sandrox.9524:

Amonatory.2453:

Sandrox.9524:

Amonatory.2453:

Sandrox.9524:

Funny how everyone says thieves while everyone are thieves,so you can kill each other easly,bad logic.

It’s not bad logic. When I roam I always find thieves but they are never even remotely good. Even in PvP thieves are awful, so it’s actually logical to say that we think killing other thieves is easy because it literally is. Someone feel free to say I’m not right, how often do you find a good thief? Very rarely.

And yet, every one here says that thief is the easiest target on thief forum(which imply that they are thieves mostly). I find alot of good thieves in pvp,cause I do alot of tpvp.Hotjoins dosn’t count y’know

It’s like all saying that they get the upperhand against all cows and they all are a cows!

You think I hotjoin? Are you high? I do only Tpvp and never hotjoin, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Sorry if you took it to the wrong way,didn’t ment to be disrespectful.

No I took it the only way to take it. You basically stated that I do hotjoins because I think most pvp thieves are bad. No, I think they are bad because most try to fight me and just have no clue what they are doing not in hotjoins but in tpvp. I still stick with what I said earlier, thieves are easy to beat because they need to l2p.

I didnt state anything,I was just saying that hotjoins dosn’t count as an example,I dont know who you are and how skilled you are,which I obviously know now based on your comment.So forgive me for my lack of knowledge about the best thieves in the world which you clearly are base on your post.And forgive me again for saying thieves earlier,I ment the best thief in the world.

For me,the best way to be a thief is to master all other proffesions.

The build dosn’t make the player.It is the player who maximize his skills through the build.

Amonatory.2453:

Sandrox.9524:

Amonatory.2453:

Sandrox.9524:

Funny how everyone says thieves while everyone are thieves,so you can kill each other easly,bad logic.

It’s not bad logic. When I roam I always find thieves but they are never even remotely good. Even in PvP thieves are awful, so it’s actually logical to say that we think killing other thieves is easy because it literally is. Someone feel free to say I’m not right, how often do you find a good thief? Very rarely.

And yet, every one here says that thief is the easiest target on thief forum(which imply that they are thieves mostly). I find alot of good thieves in pvp,cause I do alot of tpvp.Hotjoins dosn’t count y’know

It’s like all saying that they get the upperhand against all cows and they all are a cows!

You think I hotjoin? Are you high? I do only Tpvp and never hotjoin, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Sorry if you took it to the wrong way,didn’t ment to be disrespectful.

Amonatory.2453:

Sandrox.9524:

Funny how everyone says thieves while everyone are thieves,so you can kill each other easly,bad logic.

It’s not bad logic. When I roam I always find thieves but they are never even remotely good. Even in PvP thieves are awful, so it’s actually logical to say that we think killing other thieves is easy because it literally is. Someone feel free to say I’m not right, how often do you find a good thief? Very rarely.

And yet, every one here says that thief is the easiest target on thief forum(which imply that they are thieves mostly). I find alot of good thieves in pvp,cause I do alot of tpvp.Hotjoins dosn’t count y’know

It’s like all saying that they get the upperhand against all cows and they all are a cows!

Funny how everyone says thieves while everyone are thieves,so you can kill each other easly,bad logic.

Gakeman.5296:

Sandrox.9524:

hmmmmmmm nope,thief is not hard counter to mesmer(as a player who have 2k hours on each one).Mesmer actually is a hard counter to thief.

K, wanna 1vs1 me? I gonna use sword only on thief.

Dude,If I will and I will win it or you will win it,does it prove any point?
Fact is that,in terms of who can counter who,mesmers have many ways to counter thieves while thieves have only mobility.most ppl-like you-playing wvw killing some mesmers and think that this is indicates the “who counter who o`meter”,but it isn’t,take a good shatter mesmer and a non stealth-all-the-time thief and you will see that shatter mesmer have more counters than the thief.
now if you gonna tell me “Why non-stealth-all-the-time” it is ok,but dont complain about PU mesmers beating you

nope. ppl cleanse it in pvp and mobs dosnt really seems to get hurt alot from it.

MM necro and condi ranger…condi ranger is just meh

hmmmmmmm nope,thief is not hard counter to mesmer(as a player who have 2k hours on each one).Mesmer actually is a hard counter to thief.

Well,I roamed with that kind of warrior,when he says “im ready” I come to him and use blinding powder to stealth him and then he uses it:P

Hello guys,
I have intel i5-750 2.6ghz CPU,GTX 650TI boost 2xwindforce OCed GPU,4GB RAM and generic power supply of 600W on a 1680×1050 screen.

Before I got the GPU above,I had 260GTX,which got dmged/burned somehow(First signs because of the game.

Now,my first question is-Should I monitor my GPU now? and not to use his full potencial?
Secondly,Is this PC spec can handle Ultra settings in everything except wvw?and how much it should be on wvw for fluent zerg/blob fights?

Thanks for reading this post!

using similar build only insteadd of gs I use sword/sword

…when you fist fighting somone,and after a successful block you just kite around him thinking that he goona die soon.

Alasteir.7031:

Sandrox.9524:

Jurica.1742:

Staff + Sw/Sw is the usual weapon set people use for lockdown builds. They are really, really hard to play, extreme risk, extreme reward.
I tried it out, tons of fun interrupting heals and various skills and seeing people rage/get damage from it). The one I used was the following:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Guide-Vid-Mind-Crush-CS-Lockdown

Have a wonderful day, happy gaming!

Tried that sort of build with the power block new trait.Why not using the pistol OH?

You can if you want, but iSwordsman hits harder and all of its damage is immediate, and not spread out. The Pistol interrupt has a bigger cooldown than the Sword OH interrupt if I do recall, and in a Lockdown build the more dazes/stuns you have access to, the better. But go ahead and try it; better to see for yourself what works for you than to take the advice of others at face value.

One more thing i’d like to ask if you may,would you replace confounding suggestions for power block? and would you take another sigil of paralyze to staff 2nd sigil slot?

Jurica.1742:

Staff + Sw/Sw is the usual weapon set people use for lockdown builds. They are really, really hard to play, extreme risk, extreme reward.
I tried it out, tons of fun interrupting heals and various skills and seeing people rage/get damage from it). The one I used was the following:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Guide-Vid-Mind-Crush-CS-Lockdown

Have a wonderful day, happy gaming!

Tried that sort of build with the power block new trait.Why not using the pistol OH?

Hello guys,
I played in every aspect of the mesmer class,and in all my time playing it,I enjoyed playing with sword/sword the most.
Problem is I always get nuked by ppl in pvp saying sword/sword is just not good setup.
You want stun? go pistol it is way better than the sword daze.You want sustain?go torch,the stealth is way better than the sword block.You want strong phantasm?well,pistol got you covered again.

I tried various of builds with it,and all these builds were screaming PISTOL at me even though I did great with s/s setup in tpvps.

My question,which I doubtfull if anyone would know how to answer it,is if there is a way that Sword/Sword,at any certain situation or at certain wierd working build,shines?
Thank you for the tiresome reading of this semi QQ post.

Scepter of the highborn will fit your purple scheme.

Jurica.1742:

Some of your trait choices I can understand, the big mistake you did is took Menders Purity. I understand why you did so, I’d love it if I could justify doing that but boon strip on shatter is just too good to give up.

Not only the boon removal,the vurnability on daze.When I start to fight i blurr frenzy with diversion doing alot of dmg before even using MW,and then I use Miror image and use MW.

But good video nonetheless.

As your video still not ready I might say,why not using the usual build and jsut take lemongrass pot for cond reduce?
or even use the healing mantra with menders purity which can be healing + resolve and you have a free utility spot?

Pyroathiest.4168:

Xaurniven.2065:

Pyroathiest.4168:

Jackums.3496:

Xaurniven.2065:

Jackums.3496:

If the Mesmer is competent and experienced with shatter themselves, they won’t lose to a shatter spec whilst running phantasm. The burst is too predictable and shatter lacks the sustain of phantasm builds. Plus, as a Mesmer you don’t have easy access to AoE or effective cleave to destroy the opposing Mesmer’s phantasms.

You’ll lose more often than not.

I tend to have Signet of Domination ready + pistol num# 5 skill so they have to take my damage whether they like it or not

Most Mesmers will run two stun-breaks, even in a phantasm build (in PvP modes), so I’d hardly consider this a solution. I run both Blink and Decoy when I play phantasm.

Not to mention iSwap as another breaker. What the signet and pistol allow you to do, though, is interrupt the casts and try to get burst in before they build up phantasms.

That’s what I was trying to point out ._. To stun e’m before they get a phantasm out and Burst e’m

Yeah, you can definitely try to do that. It’s easier said than done, unfortunately. There’s a lot of ways to protect casts, so it’s not always going to be possible to get interrupts. Ultimately in a fight against a phantasm mesmer, you really just need to pressure them hard. Phantasm builds do have a bit of a setup time before they reach full strength, and this is your chance to kill them. At about 20-25 seconds into a fight though, if they have been able to get set up, you’re dead almost no matter what.

You always can try to get off-range though

@Xaurniven mind you that not all the world is perfect with blue skies and green grass, the mesmer you face can do somthing else,you need to adjust.

KingZmaN.6473:

Handin.4032:

Look, I’ll make an offer: if you want to message me any time I’m in game, we can try to set up a 1v1. Then I can show you the flaws of the build.

You keep mentioning how insightful this build is. I just don’t see it, and I did read your text file. It seems like you’re so set on using something “different” that you’re essentially gimping yourself. You’re using the excuse that a mesmer with lots of skill will do well anyways. BUT, a very skilled mesmer, using a proven very useful build, will be even better. In tpvp you have to build for whats best for your team. If you die every engagement because you have no stun breakers, or are glass even though its a sustain build (which means you really should be running like knights or valk), what are you going to tell your team? “Sorry, I’m actually a skilled mesmer, I’m just running a build you wouldn’t understand?”. There is a reason people run condi clone death, or shatter, or phantasm builds. They’re reliable, well tested builds. I know quite a few veteran mesmers that wish mantras, or signets, or anything else would be more viable in tpvp, but right now they’re just not.

As stated before, it doesn’t matter what your text file says, it doesn’t matter how great you feel the build is. I’ve been there, where I was so sure I found the next great build (signets), but I was wrong. In the end, the weaknesses of your build are too great to counter any benefits.

I did not come here to issue out challenges, furthermore, I already covered the “team-member” dynamic with:

KingZmaN.6473:

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Lastly, a team is a team, you have members who are designated to fulfill certain roles, all based on each team-member’s strengths and how the team as a whole meshes with each team-member’s strength, translating, if the team as a whole is exceptional and can win with all team-members using a healing based build then there’s nothing “terrible” about it.

The point of this topic was to SHARE MY MANTRA BUILD AND PROVIDE INSIGHT AS TO WHY I PREFER TO USE MY MANTRA BUILD, and, not to convince others as to why my mantra build is better than using other builds.

Honestly, remarks wouldn’t be so misguided if people “took the time”/“exerted the effort” to actually understand what I’m sharing and my intentions for sharing.

So why you “defending” this build from ppl who say they see flaws in it?
If it was like what you said you should have responded with comments like “Ok,thank you for your insight”.You try to convince WHY YOUR BUILD IS SUPERIOR TO ANY OTHER BUILD and that build is kind of mantra build and it is well known that mantras need to rework and this build is defiantly worse than the usual one so your tries are worthless.

Stooperdale.3560:

Ok this thread has come up again. It always seems to come back but …
- Block/parry on an initiative skill is a bad idea. The underwater block is sort of broken.
- Most ‘real’ world fighters use off hand long daggers/short swords. GW2 swords are massive. The longer the lever the more power you need when parrying etc. Thrusting is easier with two weapons than swinging in two big arcs, so that means a dagger.
- The body mechanics for off hand swords need muscle and momentum. They would look wrong, REALLY wrong, on a nimble, balanced thief. You’d know it if you saw it.
- The dagger/sword combination is nonsense anyway with the big weapon in the off hand.

I know people who like off hand swords won’t let reason get in the way. They won’t play a warrior who has these skills either, which is really what you should do if you want a muscled weapon swinging machine. I’d really like sword+open hand to be a proper thief weapon pairing, with off-hand stats coming from somewhere. The open hand could offer up some stealing and deception skills and would feel more thief-like than remorselessly chopping people up with swinging swords.

I disagree Anet could disallow dagger/offhand sword combo.
And “offhand” you speak of is another arm what is the problem if a sword would be on right hand or left?
and 1h swords are mostly small(ofc it is small relatively to the character who wield it)
on asura it is almost look like dagger.

DeceiverX.8361:

Woah woah woah.

Guards have really crazy DPS and burst. My friend’s guard’s whirl does around 14k on its own.

The thing about this build is that it’s not designed to burst heal. It’s designed to heal significant amounts of health constantly, thus removing the need to burst heal and enter stealth for a prolonged period, thus keeping it on point and in the fight for longer.

That’s it? 14k on whirl attack? that is not dps,one skill who does dmg is not dps.
“Crazy dps” it’s not.

You just wrote you get to 50%? shadow refugee which means losing the cap point.
the venom siphon is not that much(just checked it),and assassin reward is not much either but adding together it is decent,tho what is the point? might aswell reroll tank guard cause you would not survive glasscannos such as staff elem with meteor storm or hambow warr.

I would like to see a vid on hotjoin or w/e with that build cause the most tankiest thief can’t hold point alone except tanky evade thief.(imo)

DeceiverX.8361:

It’s not meant to run stealth capping, though. It’s a defensive build meant to turtle hard. Entering stealth while defending a point doesn’t automatically give the point to your opponents, either, so just using the brief stealths to heal a bit more will be short enough to prevent caps.

It is not brief stealthes,it is your cond removal,and if you will get to lets say 20% health you will stealth alot to regain health.Thief just not made to tank sorry,it’s like Guardian dosn’t made to dps.Dont take it the other way though,if you manage to get it work by all means im just stating my opnion.And let me rephrase my comment above,it wont work on a fights at cap points.

Neurophen.9738:

Let’s hop over to the warrior boards and theory craft us a sPvP GS/Rifle build We can even take bulls rush, no one will suspect that!

You know that Rifle/GS build is pretty much reliable build?

On topic,tell me why I should bother reading your text file,while your build is by far the worst i’ve seen and im a mantra user.Even the mantras you have,are not good enough,I would replace power mantra with stability mantra to secure channeling other mantra.
Moa morph,dosn’t matter what is your excuses,it has long cd,and it is pretty much dodge-able,and ppl with right mind who did transformed,would know to press 2 and 5 to get away.You know there is a saying,to criticze others you should know how to accept other criticism.
Not gonna dwell it more than I already have,this thread is longish and have lots of crap in it just because you got offended by somone who only tried to help you.

Auesis.7301:

Sandrox.9524:

Thief cant have block skill tough,it will be too OP since we use intiative.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Nine-Tailed_Strike

That is why thieves are OP underwater :P

Mass invisible->blink(if you are far from target)->dodge twice->iLeap->blurred frenzy + diversion->dodge backward->iWave->iZerker->decoy->iLeap again->MW+blurred frenzy or alternative just spam 1111
(as how to fight phantasm mesmer) always remember that phantasm mesmer need target to get his phantasm up,so when you show up,it is crucial that you daze him.
after you burst him a little,he will get panicked a bitand will prolly use decoy or blink,hence the iWAVE for if it’s decoy,it will knock him down and would not let him spam phntasm untill his stealth over.

KingZmaN.6473:

Wow, you’re a real class act.

Here you go guy…

Shatter Mesmer
I start at 1200 range in stealth. I blink next to you and do 15k-17k damage in less than 1 second. Then I cast a iZerker on what’s left of you. Unless you have superhuman reactions, you die.

• You forgot to mention that you have to produce clones for your shatter burst which is a dead give-away for “Hey, a mesmer is here!!!”, and if the intended target doesn’t do anything to avoid the shatter burst after seeing the clones produced, then they deserve the nukage. TROLL!

Phantasm Mesmer
I start in stealth. I cast a duelist and a swordsman. Sometime in the next 15 seconds, you die, because the swordsman will do about 7k damage each hit, and the duelist not much less than that. You can try to kill them, but I’ll be stunning and immobing you, and since you have either 0 stunbreaks or 0 condition removals, you die.

• If the intended target doesn’t do anything to avoid the phantasms (like, i dunno, evade twice), then they deserve the nukage. Furthermore, you speak as if you can stay in stealth without end and the intended target won’t be able to act, which, is simply not true. TROLL!

Condition Mesmer
Yeah…this won’t go so well either. You’ll do some damage, you’ll get tagged with the whole smorgasbord of mesmer condie load and eventually die.

• You talk like a condi mesmer is a necro with massive condi spam, and, like the intended target has no way to cleanse condis, and again, as if the intended target won’t be able to act, which all, is simply not true. TROLL!

Glass Thief
Mug cnd backstab, with basilisk venom just for kicks. You’re dead.

Alternatively, shadowstep/stealth pistolwhip. You’re dead.

Alternatively, a couple of autos combined with flanking strike/larcenous strike. You have no stealths, and either no condition removal or no stunbreaks. You can’t escape the thief, and they evade too much to burn down since your build relies on mostly normal attacks instead of burst.

• Wait for your glass thief to become visible, if blinded, cleanse when opportune, then interrupt during an exposing thief attack, stun, burst, glass thief dead unless their expecting such counters. TROLL!

Hambow
Earthshaker hits you. Then you die. Alternatively pin down hits you, and you die (assuming the no condition removal but with stunbreak situation).

• You continue to talk like the intended target can’t evade or do anything, which is simply not true, anyway, if you get hit by earthshaker and warrior not stabilized, interrupt their next offensive and heal while stunned, once you get out, you counter as needed, FURTHERMORE, if you truly ready my extra text file, then you would know the optional tactic I suggested against loss-of-control-of-your-toon pressure builds. TROLL!

Stun-evisc warrior
You’ll get stunned eventually, eat an 8k evisc, and then die at some point.

• What I described for “earthshaker” applies here as well. TROLL!

Condition bomb necro
You only have 4 condition removals. These will be gone rapidly. Shatter builds can stand against necros like this because they can dodge in and out and land heavy burst combos. You don’t have that, you have to do sustained pressure, and the necro does it better, especially when you’re chilled, crippled, have weakness on you.

• Wow… just wow… for necro, interrupt, burst, when they deathshroud, just ‘Polymorph Moa’ then whittle whatever health is left away. TROLL!

Minionmancer necro
These guys are fairly tanky, and they have incredible sustained damage. You don’t have enough heavy aoe to clean up the minions, and not enough defense to actually out-sustain them. You’ll die.

• If you truly read my extra text file, then you would know the optional tactic I suggested against a bunker build. TROLL!

Well, I knew I would get responses like this… but so fast! It’s shocking!!!

I probably would be more conversational and have less of an aggressive debate approach if you weren’t making so much effort to belittle what I had to share, but, a TROLL’s gonna TROLL… TROLL!!

About glass thief,when you say “wait” for him to egt out of stealth,does it before the backstab or after?cause they usally going to stealth for backstabbing and when they do you only heartseeker away from dying.
In general,I agree with pyro,FULL mantra build is pretty much kitten.good for duels,if you know how to play it,but not for taking points or roaming in wvw.

Well,it wouldnt work in spvp cause stealth is not point cap.

T raw.4658:

The above post could not be more wrong.

The best GvG guilds all run thieves…and none in remotely in the way you describe.

GvG thieves are generally of a different breed since they just don’t wade through points being spammed on by 2-5 players.

Are there any posters here who even GvG on a thief??

I GVGed alot with thief,and used valkyrie armor s/d-d/d set switching from shortbow in the start.I find that the majority of the thieves in gvg are d/p or d/d. and our job is to KILL THE ELEMENTALISTS plain and simple.

so,what you mean is to have extra evade on thief? no no no no one would except it.

Thief cant have block skill tough,it will be too OP since we use intiative.

Yea,you know you want it,we bound to have it!
We should had it on start dunno why mes mer got it and not thieves :S
Any thoughts of offhand sword skills?:P
I thought about
Dual skill->leap ahead dmging and bleeding foes(aoe)(1/4sec evade)
4 skill->throw sword inflicting 1 stack of vurnability
5 skill->charge foe,dmging and entering stealth

Johje Holan.4607:

Sandrox.9524:

Murtygale.2635:

Give all classes 1-2 stealth options SOLVED.
I’m sick of stealth, hit, stealth, hit, ETC. getting hit by two stealthed backstab theives… no choice no chance no NUTHIN. I want a chance at any 2v1… A FRIGGIN CHANCE. You cant predict a shadowstepping facerolling stealthed theif, let alone 2!
Besides my ranting I actually have a solution to propose…. make a status called “AWARENESS” on the character that took damage from a stealthed theif, so that any other STEALTHED DAMAGE is then turned into a GLANCING BLOW for the next 5 SECONDS.
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Simply put= Attacking from stealth causes 5s of awareness on target, causing any stealthed attacks to be glancing blows.
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Might aswell increase the cd of guards virtues,lower the health pool of warriors,remove lich form from necros,remove distortion from mesmers,remove pets from rangers,remove the elixer which makes engi small and untouchable trait and ute.
Seriously now,learn how to play you already have the revealed thingy stop whining and practice to be better.

Except none of those things you mentioned is as onerous as a stealthed thief.

What you failed to understand is,every proffesion has has his unique mechanic,and you need to adjust it,take away thieves stealth,they are no longer thieves.take away thier burst potencial you just made them a ranger,even now ranger is better than thief dmg wise.So,complain all you like,thieves got nerfed hard all the time,it started from the power signet which no thief is using now,to the s/d #2 skill nerf.So yea,reroll to hambow warrior if you cant take any thief on your own.