Guild Wars 2

:( no thanks. With that Idea, I wouldn’t be able to teach

@Satenia.9025
Ahh I see. I know next to nothing about arah, fractals is my home although I believe I know where your coming from. I just assumed that the legendary sharman’s bubble phase was hp base and not cd based. So with the extreme they might be able to have only one bubble phase verus a team who are above agervage team and with everyone having chill food might just keep the fight to two phases if everyone plays perfectly.

I wasnt sure if you were attackig the stats themself or just other things, so Im glade thats cleared up.

:s Im trying to think of what to say and how to say it. Although Im gona sound like a smart kitten :/

Making things easier for a phase is? Um.. can, should be nornal and does need balance..
an example I can think of is bloomhunger: all of his attacks can be reflected, so say a mesmer and gaurdian can chain their reflects together so the other three party memebers could just do their attack rotation on a dummy basicly trivializing the fight.

If this is abusing reflects and gets change its kinda like punishing people for being creative. Hah, even that will be thrown back at me! Its finding that balance being creative to finish a tricky boss and um.. making the fight easy

There is one more thing though and I dont mean to be to rude, remember there is a difference between guild wars rules and personal rules. As much as I dont like the icebow anything & everything, the game code allows it where I believe with this underwater mossman, somehow agro’ing him and pulling far into the water makes him ignore his leash and go back home and thats another balance in the mix here.

Sarah

Satenia.9025:

First of all, I agree with the OP that pulling Mossman underwater should be fixed. Preferably in a way that doesn’t involve underwater-combat at all.

With that said, I’ll join in on the fighting bosses part:

Purple Miku.7032:

I also don’t believe you were oblivious to it being a bug considering he doesn’t attack you and just stays still while you can autoattack him to death. If you actually played for as long as you claim to have then you’re just BSing to try to make yourself seem less hypocritical. There’s no way you will convince anyone on this forum that you thought that completely disabling a boss was a legit way to fight him.

Glad you mentioned hypocritical. Let me redirect you to the second part of ProtoGunner’s post, which you choose to ignore – intentionally or not – but which I think raises a very good point. I will quote it again for easier reading:

ProtoGunner.4953:

On one side you try to play the dungeons the fastest possible way in form of stacking (which I do myself btw) which is clearly not intended from the creators since a lot of boss mechanics of the game are made invalid/easier/negated etc but is possible due to bad dungeon design, this is valid. On the other hand it is not intended to kill Mossman underwater and that’s “unathletic”.

(Ab)using LoS and map objects in general has been part of clearing dungeons since their existence. Highly prominent ones such as stacking FGS/bear-form/WW-charges on top of each others have only “recently” been abandoned due to changes in game mechanics. Surely you would not try to convince anyone on this forum that players returned to fighting/DF-ing stuff in the open because they care so much about fair-play?

Generally, bursting down bosses as fast as possible and “glitching” Mossman have one thing in common: It circumvents boss mechanics. In the first case, by shortening the fights to a (ridiculous) minimum through skill-abuse and therefore enabling glass-cannon builds to work where they otherwise would not (as well). Yes, I said skill-abuse because recent changes to them clearly indicate that the behaviour was not intended. In the second case, by tricking the boss AI.

Why you would be so quick to point at one case and not the other escapes me. One has been heavily nerfed, the other not yet. Former abusers pointing at current ones is what strikes me as truly hypocritical.

Wait what?!

The only sense I can make out of this is you hate the icebow everything, anything meta.
And ok, ok, Ill amit I dont like the whole icebow 5,4 strip defiance repeat untill enemy is dead although still this is an extreme, nothing else is in that teir.
Besides we are talking about 3-4 ele teams that do this kind of damage. Its an extreme thats gona be changed by the new defiance.

So anyway.. I need to stop, step back and think at which angle to see your point of view?

High damage is the same as exploiting.
I can see the truely extreme ele partys with icebow although nothing else proves this statement.

Idk where Im going with this post, just please help me understand your side of all this

Sarah

Ryn.6459:

Amazing Sarah, cant wait to test it.
I want to learn the little tricks an engi can do in fractals… why on earth bolts of damask.are time gated??

By the way on engis forum told me.that thrump turret has an armor of 2100 whereas the rest of the turrets have 1500.

Ill add you, we can run some fractals some time ^^ we can time how long it takes jeebs to become back from afk too :P

Ryn.6459:

I was AFK Belka with my engis turrets… Do you know wether turrets can.be used in old tom like eles earth elemental?

It does work, although youll need to cycle your healing turret too. Dont forget supply also gives you turrets! In terms of postioning, if you have them too close to tom, they will drop so quick its not funny.

You can keep 6/6/0/2/0 and still do a lvl50. You cant melee, ( um something like 400? Range you need the turrets to be ) and the turrets will protect you for about 90% of a old style PuG group tom fight ( um two fans needed of time frame is what Im trying to say ).

Healing turret, flamethrower, rifle turret, nades and supply is what I bring to tom.

Sarah

For those interested in fractals I have added you, Ill come say hi after I finish work and we can go on a run together. Im from new new zeland if your worried about timezone stuff

Sarah

Obtena.7952:

Evapor.6849:

@Satenia The other person stated the casual player’s were bringing in more players than the hardcore scene of a game. I disagree with this because most gam’s I have played entire lifecycle revolve or did revolve around the hardcore audience, see many of the most popular games on the market at the moment, they are designed to keep people playing over and over to become better players and provide systems ingame for doing so.

That’s because those games are designed with horizontal progression in mind so as the game develops with increasing rewards locked behind content, it’s only natural that the most dedicated, skilled players continue to play it to expose themselves to this fresh, usually more challenging aspects of the game.

This doesn’t not fit the GW2 model so while it’s our typical experience as MMO’s gamers, it’s not relevant to GW2 because it’s not typical in it’s approach and appeal to gamers (which is why it’s successful mind you).

Your idea about rng is interesting. A spin off from warcraft 3 called gem tower defence does what you said with gems and slates and is too bad.

Kainis.9475:

The truth is, everyone that got lucky with 19 fractal weapon skins and a tonic is going to have a massive outcry if it becomes accessible without the roll of the dice. There’s no pleasing everybody here.

I dont have all the skins or the tonic and I would still be part of the massive outcry

With this in-famous / famous, There are people in this game ( like me ) who would very much like to have a name out there and be known for one type of content. And with these " big names " it can draw the er.. cassaul players to play alittle more than they nornaly do as they get more into what a big star does/do. This too can and will help out a game like this as we see with the Pvp tournamnets and the " please come Pvp, pritty, please? " buffs anet throws out from time to time. And word of mouth through lions arch is a thing too! Its wierd, although it sometimes happens.

Sarah

Yamsandjams.3267:

If they were to provide engineer with more evade options, it would have to be on underutilized utilities only. Giving it to weapon skills would be an insane boost in defensive power in conjunction with things like tool kit or elixir gun, as well as high swiftness+vigour uptime. Hell, even a turret build could benefit greatly from it, and it’s not really something they need. Engineer has never really had built in evades as part of their defensive repertoire, similar to how they’ve always had poor access to stability and condition removal.

Perhaps it could be an option for the hammer, but we don’t really know what that thing does yet.

I’m a bit wary about putting an evade on rocket boots, as this would make it a much more powerful escape tool. One of the things keeping it balanced is that you can still get hit by stuff after you use it, so it’s not a get out of jail free card. But I guess it probably wouldn’t make it completely overpowered. The evade would have to be fairly short duration though… no more than 1/2s. Or perhaps have the evade on that landing roll thing, but that’s kind of buggy.

I’m not sure what else could really use an evade that would also make sense… something like the personal batting ram could maybe use a buff, but I don’t see how an evade makes sense there. Something like that should definitely not be given to any kit as they all already have enough utility as is. I think even acid bomb would be pushing it… mind you, med kit is underwhelming in the current environment, but that’s mostly healing "turret"’s fault.

Even half a second evade frame would make me happy for acid bomb. Like you said, if it was simlar to rockets in which it atlest gave you that half a second to leap then you were free to be hit during the jump thats cool. Just let me atlest jump

I would like acid bomb to have some evade frames please. That seems the skill that gets me down the most, and Ill be like " come on I jumped "

Its already clear that mostly everyone ( not me ) hates the RNG that fractals has and thus wishes the rewards to not be as rare and more on a reward tree system.

spoj.9672:

Which has no value. Because you cant vendor it or salvage it. It just takes up bank space.

Back when fractal skins were statless exotics you could atleast salvage them for ectos. So they had some worth.

I do like that you brought this up. This does need to be changed back to that old style somehow. They are better as exotics.

Even if you got a fractal skin you already have, you still got a skin in the end.

All Im reading everywhere is remove RNG, and buff rewards to be like dungeons.. Geuss it makes rising job easier to report back to anet.

Selectable paths & and a reward tree ( like PvP tracks? ) The way foward for fractals.

spoj.9672:

I just want fractals to reward me appropriately for my time. I want gold for various things in game so i have to make a choice of enjoying fractals but being totally unrewarded. Or doing dungeons and making good progress towards buying skins. The game should not be that poorly balanced in terms of rewards. Its especially frustrating that the most challenging content is the least rewarding.

Making fractals more rewarding wont make it the new gold grind. Most players arent good enough to do high levels fractals fast and consistantly. Even with major gold buffs to fractals dungeons would still be a better gold grind for the average player. But for experienced players it might be different.

I think its because silverwaste and dungeons rewards are extremely good that makes fractal rewards look bad. They really arent bad, its just next to them it looks like nothing. As you said in another thread the rewards pass a point could be better suited for regulars although Im very worried about the balance

These threads keep coming up.. maybe anet should make all the fractal skins limited gem store items for alittle bit. Then you all can all get the skins you want and never show and/or come near fractals ever again.

Element Two.7316:

fracture.9754:

You need 70 AR, but I’ll go on a wild guess they ask for 75 for underwater section, where your helmet gets replaced with the aquabreather.

For when they inevitably underwater mossman.

Wait? People still do that? What cat they are

Asking about neco’ing this, I got the ok.

Just to let everyone know, I still do this. I have made the same post in other places too and have been slowing teach people who ask although, yes I have missed / not yet gona out with all and I will need to fix that.

I do ask, send me a in game mail or whisper and come say hi, so I can add you back. I know I keep saying this, although I am slowing going through my followers list and picking up people I miss.

Well, that is all and Ill see you all out there!

Sarah

As others have said, work on the basics as you climb the fractal ladder. Pay attention to the big agony attacks the bosses have and other moves you believe you can save people from with aegis.

As you know, the first time you fight the legendary shaman, that fight can be dead easy when the group chains reflects.

stats wise, anything, its more how you use your skills

For two reasons: I find them fun and its content that I feel that Im good at =)

Jerus.4350:

Sarahfull.4930:

I like dmg, I use the seaweed that gives 10% dmg while moving.
I was wondering what rune I can use for urban battlegrounds? Course one of the runs will be force, and being an engi I dont like the vul one that is suggested. Is there anything else?

Strength is nice if you’re not maintaining might consistently, It’ll add ~6 extra stacks IIRC. Accuracy not bad if you have room in the crit category (if you’re using zerk armor, or lets you swap to it cause I know you have it ). That’s my best thoughts on it.

And just to clarify I’m sure you mean Sigils right?

:p yes, sigils. Also will you be on later? Hopefully we can catch up tonite or tomorrow

I like dmg, I use the seaweed that gives 10% dmg while moving.
I was wondering what rune I can use for urban battlegrounds? Course one of the runs will be force, and being an engi I dont like the vul one that is suggested. Is there anything else?

winterchillz.2564:

Sarah, glad to hear that I have to start ascending all my characters so they can all run higher level fractals but I’m just so lazy, lol.

Hehe then we should run sometime then, cause why not

Fractal 47 seems to have a great vibe with it.

Im not sure about others although for me it seems like one of those levels you would pick without telling your best friends / groups or as part of a joke for a party game or the like.

winterchillz.2564:

Bump.

Bored at work and this sub-category barely gets any new updates. So, how’s everyone reading this post, whatcha up to?

I’ve been trying to solo Lupi on thief lately, the huge amount of dodges and evades that I have is great but I’m having troubles properly escape of the AoE life-leech in phase 3. I assume that’s because I’m lacking some swiftness and my dodges can’t get me out of the ring on time.

Im good thanks!

I have a goal to min/max my stuff for fractals and Ive just got my monthly login reward yesterday so my vision crystal went towards my next rifle so Im one rifle closer!!

Also stuff behind me, cheerfull again

Sorry for asking. Who were the ones who hosted those weekend arah classes? I have some questions and would like some tips on doing a simular thing. ( on a smaller scale at first )

Sarah

Jerus.4350:

Sarahfull.4930:

Mr. AFK for no reason.

• there are you happy!? 15 characters >.>

>.<

what?! wasn’t talking about you

Mr. AFK for no reason.

• there are you happy!? 15 characters >.>

Yesterday me and my sister went for a swim after jade maw. Sadly no one was around when we went visting..

I understand that theifs melee and I ( engi ) range, although I also use seaweed salad and was able to freely keep it up and move side to side during my rotation while skady keeped mossman busy during our trio.

( I feel the need to say this was with the first run I did with them and this " new " strat, I also was alittle scaried cause I knew she was recording and I wanted to maintain the rotation in a atemped to look good. )

spoj.9672:

Hey! he started it. I was just chilling in the swamp playing with some wisps and he appears out of nowhere and axed me in the backside.

Aww, its not like that! He just misses his special someone

Thats very true, although we need to balance it out, PuGs arent always bad

I just did a lfg for a PuG with my sister for the first time in aaggeess and we made two new fractal friends.

Take that bad PuG stories!!

Isn’t this adorable!

Thank you very much Skady and Brown for a wonderful run!!

It was very fun and great practice for homing my skills, I would love to go again.
This is great, this is like the meta at the core. Working on deference and tells so you can move to more offensive rotations

sarah

Im apart of this guild and Im from new zealand. There are afew of us ( oceanic ) in this guild too, just gotta ask around ^^

Wethospu.6437:

Andraus.3874:

It’s actually called Swampland. And the time it takes to roll it is significantly less than doing Uncategorized, Urban Battlegrounds, and possibly the same amount Of time as Aquatic Ruins tho a lot of people don’t like Aquatic Ruins or don’t have the AR for it. So if you want to do an extra 15-20 mins in your run then don’t roll Swampland. And to be brutally honest if you don’t bother to do that you most likely don’t know or don’t bother with the other little things that make fractals go faster or easier.

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Fixed.

Adorable.

Oh I was more meaning stuff like "do everyone know not to kill the target " and strats like that, not explaining everything :p

Although the post above me I agree with and I will add:

" the ride never ends " – always on the look out for more friends

You say comunication is key, and thats why PuGs fail.

Do you say hi, when you first join? ( or any other way of breaking the ice so to speak )

Do you say to your group that there is multiple strategies
at this point and which way would they like to do it? ( so your all on the same page )

Like you say, comunitcation is key. Of course you do need to be alittle carefull of how you ask, as you dont want to put anyone on the spot and all that, although its well worth finding a nice way to ask cause once your all on the same page the run flys

Sarah

Also works with vampire runs too =)

Slowly been going through my followers list and its so daunting! Although I must break the ice!!

I have to say though that its been pretty cool catching up with old friends and trying to figure out how we meet each other and all the memories!

Hmm, I see your points and kinda agree. There may need to be a 5-10secnon-kick phase for each person who joins so they can change into gear though

2x Engi, mesmer, warrior, guardian.

Vul, might, reflects and this is mainly what me and my friends make :p

Morning! Yea I would be up for a lvl50, Im on Na though :o

I believe this food can help a huge amount when young players first learn this fight

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Feast_of_Ghost_Pepper_Poppers

If your whole team has this, then you’ll maintain 7sec of chill and that will delay all his moves and bring the fight down to a slower pace for people to work from.

Edit: Ops, To answer your question I tell them 3 things:

- keep moving so you don’t burn

- watch out when he shoots an arrow at you ( dodge when he draws the bow back )
This is his main source of damage so once you learn how to deal with this, you’ll find yourself with a lot more hp during the fight

- Take down his shield first, then deal with the fire elementals.

Also if you can, try get the group to fight him in a star formation around him ( if this makes sense ) so you can easily tell who he is about to shoot. It doesn’t matter if they melee or range him as long as they are spread out. Oh and make sure they know about rallying and to target something to help with the rallying.

My first though about swamp, was to make it longer. I was thinking get rid of the rng and make both bosses a requirement.

Smart trash kitten please, the aetherblade seem the most organised. I would somehow like to feel like the enemies are smarter and require more team work. They need there own active defence: blinds, reflects etc, etc..

Shiyo.3578:

Sarahfull.4930:

Shiyo.3578:

Fractals need to be more rewarding, currently they’re less rewarding than farming SW or dungeons, that’s wrong.

Whats wrong, would be turning it into another dungeon tour. The rewards should not be THAT good

Why? It’s the hardest content in the game.

Just cause its the hardest content doesnt mean it should give the best rewards per hour. Yes it should reward you, although if your after making the most coin per hour fractals shouldnt be a choice in the matter, you have dungeon tour and silverwaste.

I believe the fractal content should be upgraded first, then work on the rewards. I dont think both can be balanced if worked on together.

I will say that guild wars2 is the only mmo that Ive played although Im sure no other game has the " hardest content " as the best coin per hour.

Shiyo.3578:

Fractals need to be more rewarding, currently they’re less rewarding than farming SW or dungeons, that’s wrong.

Whats wrong, would be turning it into another dungeon tour. The rewards should not be THAT good