Guild Wars 2

TyranosEH.3768:

I noticed this too. It fails most of the time but not always. This is a very annoying bug in PvP because I rely a lot on it to successfully kill guards for an example.

yep i can confirm it, i just tried to 1vs1 a guard and went to him 3 times to test it earlier again, and nothing happened each time i tried to use it. He had no aegis, used his shelter and focus and still, nothing happened. I dunno but i think its kinda bugged. Awkward behaviour.

This is stupid and totaly unfair. It’s ok to fix the autoattack stuff, and i think there’s still some bug into the overall mesmer perfomances ( i dont’ mean warden, that’s a lost cause…) but really, STOP TO MAKE THIEF GOD MODE, STOP WITH THIS CRAP, STOP TO MAKE THAT CLASS A STAND ALONE COMPARED TO OTHERS, STOP TO NOT GIVE THIS CRAP A RIGHT COUNTER.
I dont care if somebody into anet has some thief friend, this is the most kittened stuff ever.

Yep, i’ve been experiencing the same thing as well

Thought so, ty anyway.

I’ve no idea if anyone already made a thread about it, but my question is simple.
I have 4 of them x 4 diff characters… The ultimate upgrade was just a cosmetical one but still required 250 extra ectos. Now that the skin can be applied wherever, are we sort of eligible for any compensation or? <3
- I’m not complaining, just wonedring. Don’t regret to have done it at the time, just now feels a bit meh -
I apologize if the question been already posted somewhere else, haven’t found the thread in that case.

There are two threads about the same topic, just merge them.

Finally somebody typed this post.
I’ve played today hotjoint and wonder what… it was HORRIBLE.
Yep i agree all you want 8vs8 was zergfest, but seriously.. do you think ppl used to that are going to play differently? It felt all the frustration from SoloQ was back with difference it’s unrated pvp but again I got left alone 1 vs 4 meanwhile my team was hiding around, or stacking all together on a single base to get 10 pt, and couldn’t even test a build because i perma had 3-4 ppl on me. F. annoying.
To not mention the fabolous autobalance still. Just no.
8 vs 8 Hotjoint was an option to have something handy to not fuss too much over, now even that is frustraiting and my friends won’t even come along due to it. And the time i’ve spent waiting for matches to end and take a spot, been twice (more) the time I managed to actually play.
Great.. -.-

Can be this trait any sort of useful in instances like per say, ascalon fractal or dredge? 30 Points in Valor though..

dabomb.4056:

Or they are trying to hide their fail ranking match system.

T H I S. Glad I’m not the only one thinking it.

I’m bit disappointed tbh, even the hotjoint now it appear similar to SoloQ. Heck, i dont want to take everything always seriously, dont’ enjoy anything right now.

Among the funny things, i’ve seen Warrior not losing any bit of health against mesmer and ranger. Took 3 ppl to kill him.
Ofc ppl need to re-sharp a bit the builds and everything but it appear a bit wtf at the very moment. Bleh.

Charak.9761:

-NO ONE EVER GOES 30 INTO VIRTUES

Errrrr you wrong lol, it depends, some pvp build uses that. some pre-made pve/pvp group also use guard speched with 30 in virtue for the extra stab on f3 or the extra remove cond on f2 (plus consacration cd/duration trait/spirit weap – avenger – which is kinda useful in certain situations).

The new GM traits seem pure crap definitely -.- because obvious reasons.

ArcTheFallen.7682:

lol, I’d probably do a sailor scout or something but yeah sure :P.

Somebody already been there, done that xD

Eh, if I could play Guardian more often without being frustrated it would be all blue, it was not much ago :p but also a piece of heart goes to my Ranger mostly, Mesmer back in the days and trying Necro only very recently.
No engy, thief, warrior to see here :p

For Pve good, for PVP among the worst ideas ever.

It’s not only about rating but also about matchmaking. I don’t find it encouraging, nor really a problem that I generate, I just get the consequences without anything that I can do about. People don’t generally comunicate on SoloQ (My best quote would be: ‘’Close anyone?" …silence…) which is also a problem but it’s not the point.

It should be the system to fix classes and ranks not the people themselves, this for a start

I’ve played Gw1 4y long – from headstart -. I don’t love much fact ppl talk about idilliac pvp on HA because a lot of you forget details like for example, any spike kind of team rolling? Ranger, necro, even ele (trolley), ritualist, paragon and so on. Every class had a dedicated spike team build. But doesn’t change the fact that lame unbalanced team builds there were as well in GW1, and which made Anet lose quite a lot of EU population first 3 years, was fact each time they took months to rip off accordingly any of these builds, because each time they nerfed the single skill people always found a “walkaround” to toast it again – all this meanwhile every night ppl used to farm IWAY for rank points, denying it the day later :p -. Basically those who were penalized were only those that wanted to play Balanced Team.
The problem of Anet always been that, they are not good into balance, really. 10 years in between and this never changed.
GvG was only place where ppl could play Balanced sort of form, but ‘’periodically god’’ classes and builds always intoxicated the meta.

The only thing that they made (luckily) possible was to COUNTER not always but very often your opponent on whatever class they were playing.

I totally agree on fact we need, when targetting an enemy, to see what skill he’s executing. Animations on GW2 are not clear at all expecially if facing an asura.

On a side note: I totally dissagree on fact GW1 was a fulltime pvp game. It had completely awesome pve end games for each expansion. I’ve spent even 5 hours consecutively in DoA first times i stepped in there, Urgoz Warren and The Deep were awesome 12 men instances (which you could pug just fine). Even the Sorrow Fournace was not a granted walkthrough. Each expansion – till i played- had stunning pve enviroments. Who also never stepped into Underworld or Fissure of Woe? Even EoTN had like 10 dungeons with normal and hard mode. And a quad areas dungeon – Slaver’s Exile – with endboss. I love d that kind of prophile introduced with DoA, progressive areas and rewards increased. closed

Don’t think it will never exist another game like GW1. I have many fond memories of it, but it wasnt’ perfect.

I’ll leave you with this example. It would be exactly the same here but worse since it wouldn’t be fixed the day later…
Dark Aura Spike

If any dev will ever read this please please do something because it’s not tollerable any longer you have to face anyday scenarios like this one: (see attachment, 4 necros on a side, 3 warrrios on the other)
I’m sick and tired of all this, can’t believe in 2014 can’t be found a solution to avoid such mess.

Seriously I find this terribly stupid/unbalanced kitten kitten irritating under whatever perspective you watch it. Warriors, Warriors everywhere, the last 6 matches in SoloQ have been 3 warriors perma on the other side and 2 mesmers or eles on my side. I have no idea how you have done the MMR system but it’s utterly r-e-kitten -e-d all the way.
To not mention Rank 60 matched with Rank 7. It’s impossible to HAVE FUN in this way. The most frustrating thing ever.
The roster classes assigment must be reworked totally under the light of fact 2 classes of the same type shouldn’t occur in the freaking same team.
This is just horrible all the way

I’m going to necropost this for couple of reasons.
I dont want to start another thread about because it would be redundant, and I think couple of (erroneous) things have been talked already.
After 1y and half and over 7k hours playing time and many matchs played, i got Dishonorable: 1d and 22 hours.
I generally have a pretty stable connection, but today for some reason I got an Error 7 at the very end of the BG – BG won- and same thing happened the day before (I’ve played like 20 matchs in SoloQ) in totally another time of the day, again BG was won too, but lagged out right at the end, it didnt’ count, and ok, it might be fair at some extent… But Dishonorable?!
My connection was absolutly fine for whatever other thing, and i didnt even get disconnetted once all the rest of the time i spent in game. It happened all in a sudden and i didnt have signs of any weird stuff going on.
The Dishonorable debuff should be given to ppl that INTENTIONALLY leave a BG and the fact that clearly there are flaws into the design of the Q Systems shouldn’t be reverted as player’s fault due to something they can’t directly control very often – Error 7, Login server error – .
How about, make 12 ppl join so if one on the other team get DC, can be immediately replaced? (Also rank points/rewards to who stays on observer mode?). This stuff could have been adjusted in many ways and it’s really poor design and very unfair the way it is right now.

Lol, in that map ranger is prolly the less of a threat doho.
1) Engy pingpongin you like no tomorrow, pulling over glasses and immobilizing you right there. You have the time to count mentally 1-2-3, you are dead..
2) Necro permafear spamm.. Cya on the ground.
3) Mesmer pulling from stealth with temporal curtain or knocking you down with GS. – That’s actually the map where, each time you get 2 or 3 mesmers on the opposite team, it most likely become a sure win for them lol -
4) Warrior, knockdown + passive fear or as well permaimmobilize on glasses…

An then here comes all the rest. (Thief scorpion wire, Ranger point blank and yada yada).
I dont play myself longbow ranger as i find it slow. And can just be played accordingly in team fight to become a proper annoyance. Solo i dubt you can manage any (normally). Barrage is a lot obvious, slow cast and easy to dodge, autoattack is like… a turtle running is more effective than that. Only decent dmg skill is prolly Rapid Fire but again kitten kitten induction. Ofc if you get 3 of them, all playing lame it can be really not enjoyable but…. I’ve fell more times into 3 engys/necros/warriors in that map than 3 rangers, and can tell you 3 engys is like .. /sit in base afk till it ends xD.
(* cough * if matching was made any good you shouldn’t get two or more same classes teamed up together * cough *)

Thedenofsin.7340:

Allie Murdock.8152:

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No, it doesn’t make sense. It’s actually lacking sense and shows very little thought went into addressing the issues in the game.

If you guys believe this will change the meta, explain how.

Explain what new build will suddenly make HS warriors not insanely hard to take down by anything other than a thief.
Explain what new build will suddenly make it completely reasonable for a single player to take down a decap engineer.
Explain what new builds will pop up that will suddenly make zerker builds other than Thief viable.

Powerr said it best in one of his last posts when he, very subtlely, said the balance team didn’t know what it was doing (his words, not mine. I’m just paraphrasing)

I wish you the best of luck, but I don’t see how you could possibly make this game balanced when you are so clearly talent-constrained.

+10000 to THIS!

Dee Jay.2460:

All a Guardian has to do is run in circles, spam 1 and occasionally use his cooldowns whenever he/she feels like it.
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I wish it was like that lawl.

Basically, they only need to introduce Hexes for mesmer so you can have a (bad) copy of GW1 one. :p
./hides

I don’t care what others can say to defend this class. I only know each time anyday I go to do my daily (Solo Q scenario), 5 times i get Skyhammer and 5 times i get at least 2 engys that CAMP people, pulling them and immobilizing over glasses or simply knocking them out (yeah okay… also horde of necros spamming fear, warrior passive fear, mesmer Tc/GS 5# pulling down from stealth – if well executed you dont even see them -, even thieves using Scorpion Wire – bad trolls are bad -… but that’a another story and wouldn’t be enough even with 10 pages of complaints, but the Engy win over all in this scenario).
The decapping is too unpredictable. If other team run 2 engys in Kyhlo or Temple or wherever the point is small sized, it’s impossible to hold on. Yeah i can run double stability but then I have to sacrifice survivability Moreover as guard i have lotsa troubles with a decap engy even in team, very often it ends up i run alone in mid and have to endless 1 vs 1 with warriors or get just bursted by 3 meanwhile engy yeah cap far (maybe..), but then other ppl lose close. Its annoying as game scheme to relate to, expecially when engies just come in and go straight to Far not caring about team composition nor saying anything. ( It even appear so brainless to be embarassing). Maybe i’m the worst nab of the universe but i find all this kitten difficoult to relate to and horribly broken. Moreover i dont feel to totally revert my build to antibuild vs a single class and then getting powned by the other 4.
And then when i complain I just hear the sentence ’’Yeah, ok then reroll engy you too or warrior", in other words: play lame vs lame. Great..
It only seems to me a black hole..

Dany Little Star.2837:

Using the Gliko Formula to estimate the MMR of a single player in a team-based game is absolutly a joke.

Elo and Gliko system are formulas created to estimate the real value of a player in a single-player game like chess.

Let me explain better: I’m a really good chess player, I won, the Gligko system can estimate my real value based on WHO I defeat. But for real, this is my story, this is my personal single-player team, so every choise is made by my brain.
Now think about a team-based game like basketball and a ladderboard based on single player (ladderboard is based on MMR so your MMR is higher at higher ladderboard position) that determinate your team friends. Think about a very good talented player like Allen Iverson: He played in a not very amazing team, so he never won the NBA Cup or what…anyway he is considered one of the gratest player of all time with a lot of MVP Trophy.
Using Glicko system to estimate him value, Allen Iverson will be a very low rank and non-skilled player, because his team were not very good(not for him fault).

To closing: single laddreboard/MMR value are an amazing joke. Ladderboard must be team based and not player based. This is easy for teamQ, impossibile for soloQ. SoloQ don’t need a ladder…It’s just a random arena.

Sorry for my bad english!

Easy for TeamQ? Not at all when you play only with 1 or 2 friends and then get matched up with randoms that don’t know squat, don’t talk, and ofc get facerolled by premades. This because only way to play with my friends and don’t get moved other teams side, is joining TA.
I’m sick and tired of this all, sick and tired. This game needs new modalities, a total rework of leaderbords and huge nerf/balance of cheesy spechs (e.g. Warrior first of all, Necro straight after, Thief on podium too).
Atm it’s all about procs, ladders are a joke. Every evening we get pised off and most of our friends left already. This because nobody cares, nor even cared.
And rather to solve the real problems, we get new power creep monsters (all ready to see the new Ele soon?) as Fotm, then a nerf to the ground and again, back on top horrible OP as never been afterwards. All this back and forth.
This appear to be theyr idea of balance. I swear in 10y of Mmos I’ve never seen a similar abomination ever.
Yeah a rant, this ain’t remotely funny, never been.

On a side note: I dont really agree on ladders based over Teams only. They should be based on personal efforts during matchups, not about how many you win or loose for the above reason ( e.g. Allen Iverson).

Dunno if already been said but a Racial Makeover Kit please on my wishlist

Jomo kenyatta.7351:

Bunker guardians
warrior
engineer
spirit ranger
mm necro

^that

Kurr.4179:

Obviously they are AP items… It’s not even a question

Probably the 21k reward, as always every 3k.

Yeah, I agree, some ppl is already past 20k, probably the idea was already there.

Trolley weapons, terrible idea tossing hearts here and there.. Seriously, I’m a girl but that is just kittened. We are knights and soldiers and moreover we don’t wear sailor suits…

The most expensive for me been 50-55g, no more (and I have Deep Glacial, Galcial, Charred & Cinders – both x2 cause i love them combo and then i decided also my ele deserved – , Shiver Sky & Sea, Deep Teal and was looking forward to something else as well). Always bought them on the lowest possible stage. Dont think I’m the smartest on this Earth and a lot of ppl probably did/doing and will do the same.

About the ’’_unique_’’ thinking… Loved when back in October/November 2012 ppl used to stop me saying ‘’ Shake that staff for me please.. Love it.. What it is?.. Omg how much did you grind for it? .. Walk for me please?" But he truth is: Everything hawt will first or later become mainstream and common. Like it or not. (e.g. The Twilight invasion -and it’s not even cheap! -)

Applyin Raid mentality on Open World Events… fail for the majority of the lvl players base.

Illumine Sparkler.6019:

there was a banner when you loaded into forums and theres an announcement about it also on the main page incase you missed the banner, it was disabled by them.

Fyi the banner appeared straight after I posted and on the main page, when I checked, the maintenance did not include the LFG system.
I’m able to read yet

Atm:
dmg = Base damage * ( 1 – Critical Chance ) + Base damage * ( Critical Chance * (Critical Damage + 1.5) )

If, per say, you are gonna change (reduce) it like this it will be:
dmg = Base damage * ( 1 – Critical Chance ) + Base damage * ( Critical Chance * (0.5 * Critical Damage + 1.5) )

Do it and every single Berseker, Assassin and Cavalier will be half of its effectiveness.
Are you also conscious of the fact you’re also implicitly messing up big time Precision?

Each time i think Anet is doing something bad, it comes up they doing even worse. GJ.

LFG tool isnt’ working at all, greyed out for me and my party’s mates.
We all from different servers, so I take it’s something related to the maintenance.

Seriously, I wonder why some ppl play this game since some want the root of combat mecchanics to be changed.
This game is based over dodge and avoidance, not over mitigation of damage
The dmg you receive cant’ be outhealed, end of the story.
Would be facepalm otherwise.
If you dont’ like it, dont ask to be changed, go play something else as proper tank and healer and stop moaning to all others that adapted to it.
Stop to asking for healing to be worthing, Healing Power should be removed from the game as self-standing stat – for how it is now – and totally reworked in concept – They did it with magic find and was a good call the way they adjusted it. -

I apologize in advance if i had not the time to read all the previous posts of this thread but read it halfway till the urge to post overwhelmed my will to keep readin.
I dont’ understand why you have to punish ppl ’’capable’’ to run zerk gear in high contexts (where the dmg tends to oneshot you) when the zerk setup is actually the more suitable compared to all the other fail setup out there.
Some of you said whoever can play zerk with no problem. How about NOT AT ALL?
Seriously bad wars are bad, no matter how you try to put it down. I’ve seen people dying like no tomorrow in ptv gear. I’ve kicked people running cleric/ptv/condition setup all the way down in any pve content i’ve ran with. Simply because they were not able to:
1) Deal dmg properly >>> understand theyr own class.
2) Playing like a group>>> having group utilities and not running it like ’’I’m the solo hero’’ mode on.
3) Lack of knowledge about mobs mecchanics and even if getting told about, totally ignoring what been said.
Even the ‘’stacking in a corner’‘.. Do you think in certain pulls if you dont have stability or remove conditions like a goddes or spread ccs accordingly – eg Definace: if ppl dont understand it, all you need is a capable mesmer/thief/war to deal with and comunication with teammates., for some class it’s the funniest part into dungeons – you can just survive smashing bottons?
Seriously GET REAL. Some ppl need just to improve themselves and there is no spech that can save the story.
I don’t think its the case to nerf zerk for such reason.
Nerfing it for those that have a clue is huge smash in the face expecially now with Ascended Gear and all the golds spent in there.
Let’s pick up Condition Dmg. Since the condition meta higly infuelnced the pvp and still dominating against the non-burst classes and this is prolly the reason why they wanted to reworking it for pve purposes.
I know all the Necros been QQing crying alaud ‘’nobody wants us in pve because our strenght is Condition based mainly and these are weak into pve". To each one his own. In almost 5 years of GW1, havent heard of any mesmer crying about nobody willing to take them for pve contents. Enough said.
And again, I dont think its the case to nerf zerk for such reason.
PvE meta needs to be changed to please such? Personally I dont’ understand the issue into asking for more conditions value into pve. Easiest to just rework the necro class a bit better or assigning conditions to a scenary rather than another. Claiming a rework of the most effective pve spech because some spare soul stomps feet is just depressing.
But again, if it’s really so wanted, then make Condition Dmg valuable exactly as Power stat (e.g they sharing the same output end), and making NO items having together Power and Condition dmg upon themselves and perhaps toning down a bit precision on full stack of 25 conds. – dependig how much conditions are toned up and how much mobs and bosses are susceptible to them and IF the conditions are supposed to crit obviously. Considering Direct Dmg scale on Power, Precision and Critical Dmg., Condition one should scale as well in the same way to avoid that who goes for Dire deals the same dmg as Berserk gear -.
This for a start. Toning the whole zerk spech down is imo very wrong.
Dear Anet, balance sometimes takes years but dont’ make players pay for your own mistakes.

Fror.2163:

Short answer: get the ascended armor only if you play fractals.

^This.

Ahahah, omg you made my day man. Gaurd pov, no sheeet.

When today I logged my ele to re-put up her traits I swear.. I got almost moved into tears. How to screw up decent pve dungeon builds with this crap.
I used to run 30/0/0/30/10 – derivation of a cantrip build, dmg on boons, having decend dps (crit adjusted with equipment) and decent support ( some nice in shot cleanse) if guard was fail. I’ve always been against a total suppport cause the nature of the game doesn’t encourage those choices, and liked a lot ele because i could run something hybrid and greatly fine with it.
Now, water magic, everything usefull moved on Master tier, Adept tier to kerb…. Cleansin Wave moved to GM tier…. Arcana.. the only decent trait of Adept tier moved on master tier again. Seriously?
I cant experss how much annoyed i am right now.

Relshdan.6854:

.but some of the individual pieces are very nice (like female medium helm, heavy gauntlets, or light armor leggings..

O.O serious? Try light armor leggins over a male human ele then…. laugh for half an hour. Doh.

Xae Isareth.1364:

rjnemer.7816:

Xae Isareth.1364:

Waldir.2571:

Danicco.3568:

That’s one assumption.
Another one would be that whoever is designing the armor/clothes… just isn’t fit for designing armor/clothes.

In my humble opinion it’s been a while since I last saw a decent, cool looking fantasy medieval fitting armor/look.

Maybe… they should improve their design team?

I agree with this 100%. It is sad that everyone is asking for Guild Wars 1 Skins so badly because of the lack of quality coming form Gw2 Skins.

Tbh, GW1 wasn’t exactly amazing in terms of armor design either. Obsidian armor was the ugliest thing I’ve ever seen in a game, ever.

Only the warrior obby armor was ugly (But then you had elite kurzick, licks lips, for that).

That’s quite subjective. I think they were all ugly as heck.

The only armor set which I can recall was amazing for me was Lich’s Raiment and Jora’s armor sets.

Errrrrr, not really, Mesmer, Monk, Ele, Para and Necro obsidian here. I wish them to be added here too, expecially for my ele , I’d like to have some plate look rather to have just a leather one -.- (I totally agree over obby on war, ugh)
Many armors set in GW1 were pretty much desiderable, the same thing can’t be said here sadly, where for some class/race its kinda sad you can’t just see yourself fitting in more than 2-3 sets, although many around. And this ascended armor is also terrible looking omg, really… why…

I will tell you this story

Quite some month ago, lets say 10 or so, I went to pug a lvl 28 Fractal just for the daily on that scale. As soon as joined the group I notice this Ranger LB+bear with a red star past his name. But i didnt care much on the moment.
Okay we get into fractals set. Colossus… Aside the fact this guy was dying all the way putting everyone on unpleasant situations trying to raise him up, you know the 2 arms part where ppl generally leave 2 chanters alive on one side to make it simpler…? Okay, this guy unleashed his mighty bear right past the ledge and kept being stood in the left seal killing both of the chanters there, meanwhile we were just killing those at the right one… Unless to say how it ended up, we got full spawn of chanters and ppl kept ragequitting. In the end the opener left and we all got kicked out.

Some time later, like one week or two, I did pug Fractal again, lvl 20. This time though i joined one group at second fractal, vulcanic one aka lava @ last boss, and again, this guy was in there too. One hour later, past 8-9 wipes at the final boss, where this guy was exploding at first boss arrow in his direction any single time, everyone was dying trying to ress him, and I was the only one coming out past second or third phase still alive, for some miracle, managed with an ele I had in party to finish the bossfight. Then this ele sent me a tell saying: “Omg this was hopeless, this guy with red star is prolly from Anet staff, and we are too scared to say anything to him.. So we might either keep carring or disband.”
Lets say i haven’t seen Jade Maw that time as well :p

If they all like this one, I’d love to see that x5 :p – ofc from outsider spot lol -

Dogger.1867:

Fractal rewards are not being handled correctly at all. I’m sitting here at Lv:50 now with absolutely zero incentive to ever go back in there.

Same here and has been a week now kinda. We kept farming fract 49 anyday for the +1ARs and mainly for the hell of it :p But my teamamates feel the same as you. To not mention getting uninfused rings on 40 scale, not that we care at this rate but hey…
This update not been so great as I expected :/

Here we go again:
Error 7:11:3:191:101
just 5 times in a row… I’m just wondering… -.-

I can agree if I’m going to spend time into working some well conceived mechanics, but Dredge is pretty much just boring trash – past the switches – and the waves at midboss are just ./yawn bore/snore repeatitive, too long = annoying. Then ppl lose focus and it all feels heavier.

Ah well, thank you anet. I’ve been one of the first out there getting T3 human cultural for my female human elementalist.
I dont know why the tendency of this game is lately to trash all the ppl’s efforts to kerb. That’s a legit complaint, the armor share the exactly same looking of a racial exclusive armour which ain’t exclusive anymore, despiting the flames tossed here and there.
Poor recycled design, poor choice, cheap move.
I expect at least a total rework of cultural t3 human to make up, otherwise , dunno others, but dont ’expect from me any gems bought this month nor the following ones.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Selenya.6410:

@ Patrikan: Quoting from another thread, so that i can avoid to point it out once again. Have fun.

I tell you a secret we used revive orbs in the area of maw not on the edge of the rock or somthing we didn’t know about those exploits back than. Since this guy doesn’t even know that the first hardcap they made was scale 40 and not 50 it seems he isn’t that informed. look at this thread : https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Fractals-cap-80/page/2#post3230095

We had no idea that we shoulnd’t be there in the firstplace we asked on the Forums there was only silent they could have told us.. so you can’t blame us for using game mechanics as revive orbs… what you are telling that they haven’t intended it came here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/In-my-view-gw2-is-geartrademill/first#post1390754

so this post is 2 months Later..

So turn on your brain…

Correct I did Fractals perfectly legit to the best of knowledge availible on the time I played it… if they wanted just a single post could have helped out.

but now they take away my lvl and if you say it’s only numbers they take away about 12 k Karma from each run as well!

Your reply is laughable. In my country we call this: clutching at straws. I could have taken your arguments into some consideration if maths wasnt there, but sadly you cant’ debate over maths. All the rest of it, is some sort of picky ’’ethics’’ to workaround the point.
The fact is: you all did grasp the trail with 25-30AR shouldn’t be going that far as instead you did, but for the taste of someway brag about, the path has been forced on its route.
You had signs, you just ignored them, so now please dont’ take it on me when the only one to blame to some extent is yourself.
On the other hand, the only thing i can agree with, is that Anet should have made it clear at some point. But I take they had some major inner problem (prolly understaffed at that time, or debatings about diff views, they seem ppl of habit into never be in agreement among themselves :p – dont’ intend to offend anyone, this is just how it appears very often from outside -), and comunication got stale.
As well, I dont want to justify Anet, they did more than some bad thing in time under various perspectives, disappointing several layers of the comunity, and this is the last and surely not the least (for some). but of all the updates this seems the most well concerned contentwise.
Have as well things to lose, but if it’s for general wellness, I can somehow deal with it in this case. For some reason I genuinely dont’ feel the whole of it as a big harm toward myself – even the infused backpack controversy has been cleared out -. It’s not me who went behind the corner with the ’’scarecrow’’ (= veiled threat) of a dead-end there.
Still stays I don’t generally like arrogant/smartkittenes attitudes expecialy over something so easy falling into misleading interpretations which ends up making some ppl feel entititled to compensation, when the only thing to do was prolly standing still to avoid this situation entirely (end of the day, this game still offers several things to be entertained by, than just carry on something ambiguous).Your quibbling over won’t make the facts looks any better.

Like it or not, to everyone its own. We’ll see neat when update will go live.

@ Patrikan: Quoting from another thread, so that i can avoid to point it out once again. Have fun.

Nokaru.7831:

Estriella Faerie.4029:

Depends what you call an exploit. Before January, it was completely possible to go to 80 without exploiting.

That’s a good laugh. It was always an exploit to get to 80. This is my opinion though based on the following facts:

How Jade Maw Works:

• At Difficulty Scale 50+, the Jade Maw’s Agony does 1172% of the player’s health. (You need 950+ AR to survive) There’s no way to avoid or mitigate this damage; everything was tried
• Difficulty Scale 2-48 Jade Maw and below functions slightly differently than Difficulty Scale 50+.
  • 2-48 Maw will apply Agony is only applied to a player once they step past the trigger point. (Jumping from the rock) If you manage to survive this, or if you are revived by those that did, it does not re-apply.
  • 50+ Maw’s agony applies again if a player is revived within the trigger area; using a Revive Orb is a waste of time because it kills you again straight away.
• It was not always like this though. 50+ Jade Maw used to function like 1-48 does now. Thus, players made strategies based around having at least one person surviving and then reviving the rest of their party.

The Strategies to Beat 50+

• At first you could simply die on the edge of the floating rock leading to the Jade Maw. This was barely on the trigger area of Agony, so you could inch over and die within revive range. The party could easily get their teammate back up who then revived the rest of them.

• This rock was moved so that this was no longer possible. However, players found out they could still revive the defeated player from afar using Search and Rescue from a Ranger. They also could have the defeated player pop a Revive Orb and then revive the rest of their party.

• It’s also worth mentioning that a Guardian casting Binding Blade on the Jade Maw’s tentacles yielded 6-10 Reflecting Crystals depending on when it was cast. This allowed players to kill the Jade Maw in “phase 2” and skipping its second Agony. This made the Revive Orb strategy a lot less expensive.

• The final change to 50+ Agony was that you (presumably) must survive it, as it re-applies. It’s hard to tell though since it’s impossible to survive it. (You need 950+ Agony Resistance in order to do so) However, players could grind their way to 80 by being “boosted” by someone who already has level 80. (Someone level 80 could start a Difficulty Scale 51 and completing it would boost a player with Difficulty Scale 50 to 51, thus skipping the Jade Maw entirely. Repeat this process 28 more times and presto, you’re level 80)

Was it an exploit? Probably. However, since ArenaNet intentionally tried (and failed) to make it impossible to progress past 50, it was fair game.

Nokaru.7831:

Estriella Faerie.4029:

Depends what you call an exploit. Before January, it was completely possible to go to 80 without exploiting.

That’s a good laugh. It was always an exploit to get to 80. This is my opinion though based on the following facts:

How Jade Maw Works:

• At Difficulty Scale 50+, the Jade Maw’s Agony does 1172% of the player’s health. (You need 950+ AR to survive) There’s no way to avoid or mitigate this damage; everything was tried
• Difficulty Scale 2-48 Jade Maw and below functions slightly differently than Difficulty Scale 50+.
  • 2-48 Maw will apply Agony is only applied to a player once they step past the trigger point. (Jumping from the rock) If you manage to survive this, or if you are revived by those that did, it does not re-apply.
  • 50+ Maw’s agony applies again if a player is revived within the trigger area; using a Revive Orb is a waste of time because it kills you again straight away.
• It was not always like this though. 50+ Jade Maw used to function like 1-48 does now. Thus, players made strategies based around having at least one person surviving and then reviving the rest of their party.

The Strategies to Beat 50+

• At first you could simply die on the edge of the floating rock leading to the Jade Maw. This was barely on the trigger area of Agony, so you could inch over and die within revive range. The party could easily get their teammate back up who then revived the rest of them.

• This rock was moved so that this was no longer possible. However, players found out they could still revive the defeated player from afar using Search and Rescue from a Ranger. They also could have the defeated player pop a Revive Orb and then revive the rest of their party.

• It’s also worth mentioning that a Guardian casting Binding Blade on the Jade Maw’s tentacles yielded 6-10 Reflecting Crystals depending on when it was cast. This allowed players to kill the Jade Maw in “phase 2” and skipping its second Agony. This made the Revive Orb strategy a lot less expensive.

• The final change to 50+ Agony was that you (presumably) must survive it, as it re-applies. It’s hard to tell though since it’s impossible to survive it. (You need 950+ Agony Resistance in order to do so) However, players could grind their way to 80 by being “boosted” by someone who already has level 80. (Someone level 80 could start a Difficulty Scale 51 and completing it would boost a player with Difficulty Scale 50 to 51, thus skipping the Jade Maw entirely. Repeat this process 28 more times and presto, you’re level 80)

Was it an exploit? Probably. However, since ArenaNet intentionally tried (and failed) to make it impossible to progress past 50, it was fair game.

Mats dont lie. Glad somebody stated this out.

Frosty.8491:

I would also appreciate my stacks of ecto and T6 mats from the infusions they’ll be killing with this.

Honestly, did ANYONE think this through?

Exactly, I have 6 Precise Infusions and this is going to be annoying. Adding up i have 4 Fractal Capacitator [Infused] and other 2 infused backpacks.. The whole thing had a cost and i dont really want to be kittened up. Seriously, you should think about consequences of your actions.
Its totally unfair toward 3/4 of the people here.