Guild Wars 2

okay then again
lets say everyone is on the same skill level

and i am talking about the current tournament and/or metabuilds
thief should win vs almost everything

Hey guys in this video I have two really well known bugs for you that are still not fixed

1. Stacking 8 stacks confusion on an enemy with a 100% combo finisher bug
2. Illusionary Leap failing 99% of the time… please fix it! (it makes shatter almost unplayable on certain areas on some maps)

Link to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njR9F6NO9qc

i have actually experienced the same thing..without the trait it feels like from 10 games there is one situation in which it applies confusion..but i also think the 100% combo finisher should get nerfed..

these were just examples…ah hell no …
please i need only a little bit of understanding when i write something…
when i say caed couldnt kill him i dont mean it’s impossible i just said that its another example of how many evades a thief can have

and concerning the esl cup…guys…we have seen the eu pax qualifications and the winner team obviously had a thief…and to my mind watching the esl atm doesnt count at all since most of the really really good teams have left gw2…which doesnt mean there arent good teams in esl as well but the real top teams have left..

it was an example
another example..thief wins vs warriors in tournys
thief wins vs ele in tournys
vs necros
vs mesmers
vs guardians
vs some engis
vs some rangers

again this is just an example to show you guys there is no atual counter

here we have several tipps and tricks for you
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Ventari-s-Build-and-Tutorial-Collection/first#post2877137

I am aweare of that fact but when you dont have enough initiative you can still port back out of the line of sight..thats my point..you cant kill a well played s/d thief just watch the pax finals…when caed tried to kill lady nag nag…he was full hp nag nag had like 4k and nag nag killed him

Hey guys since a lot of you have asked me to also upload gameplay when playing with my team I thought it’s about time to do this!
My Team’s name is Fo Shiz….e Ma Nizzle [Sure] and I used to be in the Team T.rolling For Life [TFL]

Here we go

I will also upload games we lost and commentate them to show you guys what went wrong and what we could have done better!

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Link to the channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/OfficialSensotix

Gameplays:

• [Sure] vs [VG] (Visceral Gaming)
  Link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyS_x04e1w8
• [Sure] vs [EA] (Eternal Avengers)
  Link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XNMc5zNSk8
• [Sure] vs [PF] (Plastic Fantastic)
  Link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpFPq_LERyk

The Build I am currently using (Crit Shatter Mesmer):
Link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeS30CWpG6E

Added:
[Sure] vs [PF] (Plastic Fantastic)
Link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpFPq_LERyk

i think they shouldnt nerf the thief evades when the aoe dmg doesnt get nerfed as well
but they should nerf the port so it doesnt work on the z axes…

and its not a nerf campaign…if you could read that would be awesome because then you would have read that this is a discussion where everybody can say their opinion because I was interested what other people think of it

but all i heard so far was: thief got nerfed so often..its balanced etc but no real point why you would not nerf this spec

you are kidding me right? i think I am objective enough to see when something is broken…if you pay attention to the things I do you would have also realized that i have supported mesmer nerfs in the past concerning confusion phantasm dmg etc when i felt is was too strong…
my real reason is to let people discuss to see what others think of it
also high ranked pvp players are aware that this thief is too strong so you can see i am not the only one…
I love the fact that you think I only hate thief because it kicked mesmer and ele out of the meta…that’s just not true because I play my mesmer with great success and if you check out the leaderboard you can see that i know what I am talking about also you can see me playing the old shatter spec with some variations in tournaments
the only thing I really dont like about the thief is the risk to reward ratio which is just a joke atm and you have to admit that…I can’t believe that you guys only think I hate thieves because you see a nerf incoming to your beloved thieves…and I also can’t believe that you think it’s balanced…if it would be balanced why can you kill several classes without paying attention to what skills they use because you have perma evades…

There is no counter to perma evade – fact

and i am not whining as you call it i am simply listing up facts why this spec is too strong —> to my mind

Hey guys in this video I have two really well known bugs for you that are still not fixed

1. Stacking 8 stacks confusion on an enemy with a 100% combo finisher bug
2. Illusionary Leap failing 99% of the time… please fix it! (it makes shatter almost unplayable on certain areas on some maps)

Link to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njR9F6NO9qc

Hype.8032:

Sensotix.4106:

i think the port should just fail when the range is too big

I thought you said it needed to be restricted by LOS and not work on the z axis.
So now you’re changing your opinion about it or are you adding to your nerf cry? Every class can counter s/d if they build for it. A phantasm mesmer still has the advantage against one; you just need to decide it’s important enough to make the swap over. I’m sure you know this, you’re a very good mesmer from what I’ve seen.

Look at a s/d thief as a package and compare it to other professions. It’s already balanced. Popular versions of it only have 12 initiative and inf. striking then returning then striking again like you talk about costs 8 initiative. It still gets wrecked by condi spam too.

Don’t know what else to say really. I don’t want to come off as hostile but this forum has been down right plagued with complaints since day one and it really gets old.

I totally get your point but as you have already said for example a good thief should always win vs shatter mesmer in duels…and in teamfights a good s/d thief can always pick shatter mesmers out and port back and playing a phantasm build is not an option in current tournament play soo the only way to escape damge atm is to disengage
1. you cant run away because the thief is always faster than you because of the swiftness when dodging
2. you can’t port to highground because he can follow you easily (99%) of the time

Hype.8032:

Sensotix.4106:

i think the port should just fail when the range is too big

I thought you said it needed to be restricted by LOS and not work on the z axis.
So now you’re changing your opinion about it or are you adding to your nerf cry? Every class can counter s/d if they build for it. A phantasm mesmer still has the advantage against one; you just need to decide it’s important enough to make the swap over. I’m sure you know this, you’re a very good mesmer from what I’ve seen.

Look at a s/d thief as a package and compare it to other professions. It’s already balanced. Popular versions of it only have 12 initiative and inf. striking then returning then striking again like you talk about costs 8 initiative. It still gets wrecked by condi spam too.

Don’t know what else to say really. I don’t want to come off as hostile but this forum has been down right plagued with complaints since day one and it really gets old.

I totally agree..the damage is fine the evades…well okay that’s their key mechanic
but the biggest problem is no matter how fast your reactions are to disengage and port to highground you get punished for it because you are alone there…then again you have to ball with your team which is stupid concerning the current aoe dmg…

Aratoa.7398:

Lemme dissect your video:

You port through down to your opponent, then say you can apply conditions and port back. Which conditions are you going to apply as a sword thief? Because they don’t have any damaging conditions on their attacks. Are you referencing the extremely short immobilization that is given?

Then you make the same point, except you have your opponent pop a long cooldown (unnecessarily) to escape the immobilze. What are you trying to prove? That bad players will pop their breaks early?

2 mins in and it’s just you complaining about ports. All of which consume initiative and are limited in both range and use by the Sword thief. Oh, and did you know that the ports don’t work on a good number of parts of the map? It’s not a free leap to anywhere your opponent is as you seem to think it is.

Apparently 1.8 k damage is a lot of damage. It’s not.

3:50 in and you’re just complaining outright and… you’re back to ports.

Complaining about a class being able to evade when that is what it’s built to do. Wow. It’s true, the class has a lot of evades… kinda like the Guardian has a lot of boons, the mesmer has clones and… well… each class has something generally.

And that’s the video.

Not a lot of substance here. You could do a similar video about pretty much every class if you wanted. Cudos for not just making another complaint post but your video doesn’t make a good argument.

No i am obviously talking about the necro applaying conditions on me and then I just port out of the line of sight..lol
I can’t believe you are really asking these questions..it’s an example!
see: i wanted to show that in a potential 3 vs 3 where the necro positions himself on highground to not get bursted down easily (yea that’s what good necros do actually) he ports up there using a 40 sec cd utility skill and the thief can just follow him using 3 initiative
he didn’t use the port to break the immobilise omfg I can’t believe I really have to explain this I feel so dumb right now……it is an example to show what can happen in a teamfight!

concerning the damage: Yes 1.8k autoattack is much…(compare it to mesmer ~700-1k) (compare it to ele ~1.2k) and that’s just the autoattack

the more I read the more I have to facepalm….sry that’s how it is atm

I know it’s not a free leap to 100% of all places but to 80% of it and being able to follow somebody through walls or on highground is a broken mechanic that’s how it is

Evades: yes every class has special abilities u took the guards boons for an example thank you very much for that because that’s exactly what I mean
You can counter the massive boons of the guardian with a shatter mesmer, the s/d thief, or a necro but how do you counter evades? well I hope you get the point

All in all I have to tell you from what I have read in your comment is that you seem to play s/d thief are not really experienced with whats going on in top 200 tpvp and that you love your thief too much to accept that some mechanics are too strong which may comes from you only playing thief and not playing other classes against s/d thieves

Ps: Thief directly counters necro worm port, mesmer blink, ele blink (3 disengages)
what counters thief really hard in tournys? hm?

I will interview another ranger after the october patch to see what build will be played by then stay tuned guys!

imagi haha that’s exactly what I said in the video

yea but the problem is if they lower the condi dmg in the next patchs and the aoe dmg overall this thief will be way too stronge because the main sources to kill him are gone..

okay still my opinion as a player that has been playing guild wars 2 competetively since the beta is that this thief is too strong atm and I am speaking from experience because I have also played this build

they wont reverse or negate this change
well but that’s the point of the discussion I have my opinion and the others have theirs and I am happy to hear theirs but still if you compare thief to mesmer
why would mesmer be better for your team than thief?

dude if you dont’ see how this thief build is somewhat too strong then it’s your opinion and mine is that it’s too strong and even the devs agree otherwise they wouldn’t nerf it right? :>

Banjal.7328:

That thief didn’t look that good.Also fighting them in SPvP is a joke,fighting them in WvW were they can do alot of DMG is more fun.

well yea but in wvw what i hate most about it is that people with max gear fight people with low gear and think they are pro^^

Early Morning Riser.1240:

Very well done!

thanks a lot

i want to see a mesmer or necro chase a thief haha

the best thing you can do is to play offensively to make him waste his initiative

Klinch.2964:

I agree with causing inf. strike to fail when out of range. The initial shadowstep shouldn’t work when out of range. Steal doesn’t work that way, so why does this skill?

As for fighting a thief with sword, when possible, RUN TO HIS INNITIAL SHADOWSTEP SPOT. If you fight around this spot, he can’t disengage when he wants to (unless he uses utilities of course). Doing this, makes fighting sword thieves much easier.

u cant run to this spot in tournys haha

i dont really care if people complain haha i am kinda a relaxed person so i really dont mind

i think the port should just fail when the range is too big

hey dude nice video you got there I would love to make a video with you since i own a youtube channel myself (maybe a duel video?) pm me

i dont have to upload such a video just check the pax finale where lady nag nag nag pwns everything

jonwar.4186:

I watched your video… forgive me…but…a thief..indirectly suggesting for a nerf to thief. Ya, lets just keep that train rolling shall we? Sword dagger is the least stealthy (barring builds of course) thief next to pistol pistol. I dont see the problem how infiltrators strike works.

I am main mesmer i just wanted to show people what i was talking about

yes but isnt the risk/efficency scale a little bit weird?

Hey guys I have recently uploaded this video to show why I think *S/D thief is too strong atm.
I am aware that other classes need some things changed as well but now I will start off with the thief
It would be awesome if you could tell me what you think in the comment section on youtube or here on the forum thread.

Looking forward to a nice discussion!

Link to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpUk9QvJ8bE

Rules:
- Please don’t insult anybody and try to provide constructive feedback so others don’t feel offended and know what you mean.
- I don’t say they should kill the last viable build a thief has I just want to know what you guys would change (maybe you are even saying that thief is fine as it is )

thanks a lot guys for all the feedback so far
what my idea is for the next video is to comment on the action going on saying what was good and why it was good
Hope that’s what you are looking for

ah his account name is: mtc.9536

zzod ventari or sizer?

and tbh i have never seen a condi necro winning vs a s/d thief in a duel before…neither in streams nor on 1 vs 1 duel servers
but i appreciate your feedback and i will try my best to actually record tournament situations

yes! attention wh..e sensotix wins! haha

wow I always thought it would be much harder to win vs a s/d thief as a necro but sure i will talk to him i think he is available today….now we just gotta find a good p/d thief

Shameless bump since i try to hold the community alive

haha well that was a weird but awesome comment i guess?

interview with either thief or ele will follow soon

yea i see a lot of mesmers running around with the old spec as well..thieves have changed their builds eles did rangers did everyone else did but most mesmers are either too lazy or not motivated enough to change their builds thats why i opened up my youtube channel to provide them with new ideas

please vote for this build on the monthly build contest

i will be uploading my current build video soon its kinda an old shatter build with some variations

I didnt use it to draw attention i used it because if you ask 10 top 200 lb players who they consider the best guardian ingame you will hear 9 times “Azshene” also the title “best guardian ingame or top guardian ingame” is based on reasearch i have done watching streams asking other top players dueling him checking other streams checking leaderboards etc etc i put a lot of effort and time into this its not just an eyecatcher

Sensotix it is

i played against several top thieves and they usually farmed me with my old build but like everyone else i adapted to the meta haha

as far as i have played against s/d thieves i usually win in tournys when it comes to a duel and i am mesmer still a thief is so much stronger in duels than in actual teamfights because he has to waste a lot of initiative to stay alive vs the cleave dmg of 5 people

i think its personal preference actually i decided to go with greatsword because of the cd reduction of blink and stuff like that but if you feel more confident with staff sure! play staff
i will switch staff and gs from time to time depending on which team we are facing