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By FAR the Best Thief build VIABLE.

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The real question- you using revealed training in DA, or are you not? Because if not, you gotta take one non dps trait in CS as well. Only logical to even it out. Unless you wanna see in a standardized build who wins, in which case CS always wins.

DA- utility based damage. a heal, some heal reduction, damage reduction, and movement reduction along with a +20% finisher.
CS- damage, damage, damage.

I did kind of skim, but I saw everyone debating which line offered more raw dps… I probably totally missed the thread.

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If Anet wants to push Ele to dps...

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http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJAoYhcMokh1MwnB8RsIAYFby2wZIIAMBeAup2Z7tF-TJRBABgVGw/9Ha+BAAwJAAA
This is my preferred version. Its more smooth, more focused, and does not have too many flashy effects. Problem is its more one-trick pony than not. For the base set (because I take tempest simply to fire tornado downed people and walk off/forget em) you’d want air line with – air=superspeed, stun=shock aura, stun=weakness. I’ve found more success with air than tempest, but I use tempest because most teams needed me to bail them out in teamfights. If I have a competent team and they lemme roam, I absolutely swap to fire/air/arcane.

For utilities- you can take whatever you want to be completely honest, all you really need is the Arcane Blast and Arcane Power for the projectile+5 free burn keeping in mind using power into blast gives an instant 2 stacks of burn and if you do ArcanePower→Fire3→Fire4→ArcaneBlast+EarthAttunement→Earthquake people usually just die if they have no out or free response. The helpful bit is the initial burst breaks through most classes free condi cleanse traits and thresholds while the follow-up burn stacks do the rest.
For Runes/Sigils- I don’t like flashy, but if you REALLY hate the set up then you can easily swap for Rune of Flame Legion, Fire, or something along the lines of an aura or burn duration. Sigil wise, probably your preference again.

:) Anywho, enjoy this in unranked and on the 26th, in ranked. >:D I know I will.

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If Anet wants to push Ele to dps...

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I found that an arcane kamikaze worked quite well on Carrion. Not that it will work well with 1.8 million bunkers, but would you like the build so when bunkers get booted from the game you have something to test?
I know it will sound better on paper, but when everyone was playing the dps meta/roam meta I found myself constantly destroying 1v1’s and 1v2s. Curiously, against standard duels (the /bow type) most people didn’t react in time despite me doing the same combo… some did and I died horrendously though…

Anywho, you want it or not? Not denying Ele dps needs more, but I’d be WAY careful in how we do “more”.

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So, would you like to know why Thief more than likely (and I mean it is beyond unlikely) will not be op kitten? I highly doubt it will be broken, and if its moderately ok we will get hot nerfed faster than anyone can finish the balance patch.

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Balance Preview Question

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Scrapper with my stun preference made me salty. I thought I’d get perma but no. Not even close. Well kinda close. Also, I feel necro pain. Read the spectral trait, then look at your Necro Grasp.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQBJ0ajC4BgKA

Trust me, I know.

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I use it in spvp and I hear your concerns 24/7. Did. Will? Merg. Your first question is…confusing, idk who its for. I’ve never ever played support- EVER. I play nuke always. Fast Hands might be a dps drop if you were focused on dps. Nuke, dps, much different. FA ele works well enough if you make a build and not some garbage thing like cantrip fa. That’s garbage. And no, thats not the only thing they can play. Grab a carrion amulet, go fire/arcane/tempest- pick all the burning goodies (burn on arcane too, yes) then just press burning speed+ring of fire, swap to earth 4/2, swap to air 3/5/4/2, swap to water 4/3. If they aren’t dead, you played way wrong.

Anywho, its difference in playstyle. Trying for some Ad Hominem is a bad idea when everyone plays differently and meta means literally nothing (except this one season, because holy kitten was the bunker unreal).

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Enjoy. If you want build help and to figure out how not to be a sheeple, pm me. I’ll get back to you in-game next Tuesday. Maybe. BnS/Smite/Lol are far more entertaining for me, and I’m surfing Steam.

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I’d be content if stun reflect/react traits were gone. Oh oops, I got stunned and didn’t bring a stun break. But its fine, my trait did it for me. :C Rip.

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Can I opt out of pips?

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Nocta, that can’t be true. I sat at a 30% (or lower) win rate in saph 5. But in sap 3/4 I was at 60-70%. :C

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Help me get out of Emerald.

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It means this- you are no longer carrying your teams stupid. Or it means you still don’t realize you aren’t that good. Pick, choose. I took being stuck in sapp 5 for a week as “well, I guess I suck with thief. riparoni” and then I hit ruby.

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Balance Preview Question

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YAY SOMEONE READ PART OF MY POST Part… very small part. Very small, very obvious bait part. Ok, not happy anymore :c I’m kinda sorry.

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Tempest still has many bugs.

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Want to start a petition? https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Balance-Preview-Question/first#post5932303
I will sign yours if you sign mine :P

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Thief God Mode

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Haste on bar is a bad choice in general sense, just go Rage sigil. If you need more than 3 seconds, you aren’t doing Thief right.

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Everyone wishes we got Rifle. I am just glad I got damaging utilities. And Acro 2.0.

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Help me get out of Emerald.

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At this point, just wait it out for next season or play bunker mesmer or celestial auramancer. They play themselves a good portion and allow you to go eat a sandwich while sitting on a point. Won’t last long for that much freelo though, so either do it now or cry because next season has lost 4 ammys.

As for play, I just boss my team around like a jerk (or did. haven’t played for a week except to adjust some builds for the upcoming 1/26 balance patch…which I hope gets pushed sooner…).

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Balance Preview Question

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Failed to mention- will you be debugging thief at all? Impairing Daggers still isn’t a combo finisher, Scorpion Wire is far less reliable than Magnet Pull (engi’s, you know what I mean), Quickness/Slow seem to affect Pistol Whips stun duration (if you have Haste popped, it should be a perma lockdown. instead, its a 1/4 stun over 1/2), Mesmer runes do nothing for Steal/Distracting Daggers/Head shot, Sigil of Paralyzation does nothing for Palm Strike or Pistol Whip or Hook Strike or Tripwire… just a start.

But I am glad we finally got our 10% healing boost.

Edit: If this gets moved from Spvp to Thief forums, I will assume that is a no?

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D/D needs a rework

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P/d and d/d are condi weapons that scale well with power, so hybrid (rip). If you are confused by my meaning on p/d just go grab a marauder amulet and do the 2/steal/3/infil/3 combo. Its just…stupid. I personally would want to rework it to this:

Dagger mainhand is a weapon focused on limiting your foes combat capability and quickly finishing them off.
DagAuto1- unchanged.
DagAuto2- Strike three times (damage same as current stage) and apply 1 second cripple per strike.
DagAuto3- unchanged.
Heartseeker- modifier back to 66/33% and range increased (keeps cast time, so further faster)

Dagger offhand is primarily focused on punishing lone targets and bursting them as quickly as possible-
Dancing Dagger- 3 bounces. Bounce at least once between targets, if only one target it bounces onto them 3 times applying one stack of vulnerability and cripple for 2 seconds each (and if two, its one on one and two on the other).
Cloak and Dagger- If enemy target is crippled this ability will now teleport you to them.

Death Blossom- Damage variant only, make power more effective.
Shadow shot- take off the unblockable
Shadow Strike- apply confusion equal to torment or apply vulnerability?
Flanking Strike- merged with Larcenous. boon steal is same, ability is blockable but boon steal is not (so damage can be stopped, but we still take your might stacks)
Larcenous Strike- see Flanking.

Inb4 shot down because too op.

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Since thief autos got buffed...

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I think the GS trait needs a buff. A big, fat, HEAVY buff. No one considers it EVER. More damage on a stunshatter, and damage/weakness on interrupt. Who cares about that silly might stack trait? Its too slow.

Also Pepsi, check my post history. I think I stated my vision for their balance a few replies back.

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Devs' "vision" for the game

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What confuses me is that the buff/nerf bat swings heavily and slow, instead of swift and light. If they want esports, doing a balance every other Friday of 2-3 bugs (good god, Thief alone is buggy. don’t get me started on runes/sigils) along with small shaves or lathers related to 1-3% changes would be much healthier. Don’t go collecting data for MONTHS, just go “hmm, ok well this trend has been here a while- maybe tapping that max target from 5 to 3 would be a good start”. Doesn’t have to be all classes either.

But thats me. The vision is unclear to me as well, and I play a lot of oddly balanced games- but I can make sense of a direction and heading. GW2 is…confusing. Laugh about Guards getting stealth, give it to them. Say Thief won’t be an assassin, then give them damage buffs over utility/bug buffs. Warrior is meant to frontline, but Necro is the tank. Revenant is supposed to be a god, but we need him to be on everyone’s level. Ele isn’t good, give them cele then take it. No offense, I’m just as baffled as you Glen.

Honestly I’d say after the 26th, look at the 7th for small changes. Small ~number~ changes. And just go off like that, while talking it over to your playerbase. :C Is my dream anyway.

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Since thief autos got buffed...

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What if it was just pulsing block over Aegis? Personally weakness over blind is more helpful for me, I don’t play Scepter much but Malicious might make power more potent in a perverse sense, and Alacrity was a hefty toll. I think toning it to 50% FIRST instead of all the way down to 33% was a big step, and I hope chill follows.

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Since thief autos got buffed...

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Trolling aside (sorry to Mesmer forums, but it was really funny reading doomsday. tbh, most of the typed posts were my buddies lines- i suck at being even half witty) Pepsi- I do agree, the last thing I want buffs on is my autos as a Thief. I want preparedness baseline because our ability costs are based on a 15 value not a 12, I want all of the 3 abilities to be looked at, and I want pistol/shortbow buffs. I’m still glad we got buffs, but it was no in the correct area. Bottom of my heart, if we get any/all of the changes listed and shown so far, I would like to apologize to the soon to be dead Mesmers/Necros/Eles. :C rip. I will enjoy being lethal again of course, but I will know the pain.

Legitimate question though- won’t Mesmers go shatter? That or PU condi again? Also, Guardian runes might be good for that pulsing aegis because block=burn. Just tryin to help. Anywho, inb4 I die because the trolling was too intense Back to BnS/LoL/Smite/many other pvp games because current Thief is far and away inside the trash heap.

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Any Input would be appreciated

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All builds are viable, but this one seems fairly sturdy. I would advise this build possibly. Its more tanky, still retains high pressure and will be very difficult to beat. http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZEQJAWVl0MhenYpTwwJw/ELwEmWCIAsbm7glwWoXaIO0GA-ThCBQBY4IA4FlfpRJIDOECS4BAcJ1fgwFEAAHoA9prJg7PEAAB4m3H7bz05O35Of0je0je0j2RP6RP6RPapAiYnF-e

I changed a lot, and I apologize. Basically, one crit per dodge on a dodge focused build. Seeing as you won’t instantly down anyone perfectly it makes sense to go basilisk. Bandit’s Defense gets destroyed by unblockables, so it makes sense to go for more initiative. The thing to remember is, you will output immense damage- but you get to be way tankier for it. I personally play sword/pistol right now so I have no trouble killing Staff- so I thought, might as well make this tankier and rougher to fight so that I (as a fellow assassin) would not want to tango. Hope I helped.

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Slayer- all of the other classes aren’t taking it for every build. Mesmer can take Dueling, but if you want assassination you go Dom/Chao/Illusion or the bunker is Illu/Chao/Chrono. Dueling is used for stall builds or condi, focused on testing your reaction and cooldown usage- its not mandatory. I’ve never used Valor on Guardian, meanwhile Honor has been RARE. I’ve used Fast Hands once or twice. Ranger has no mandatory line, literally every line is potent. Necro same thing. Ele, most take water because they want to bunker- but the bunker build is water/earth/tempest, while an assassination build is air/arcane/tempest-fire (one or other). Revenants are new, so they are using crutches (retribution). Engineers are mandatory HGH trait, same position as us.

:D Thought I’d let you know. Oh, and I’ve had no trouble and no builds that relied on one line over all others.

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It may not make a large difference as a whole, but all of our weapon values are based on 15 initiative. So either reduce all the costs and damages or just prep baseline. Its very straight forward. Two unloads or three. Two whips or three. One stealth combo in d/p or two and a shadowshot? That’s the problem. You can work around and learn around, but in a highly charged duel or group fight you are forced to burn initiative frequently. :C Idgaf if the trait replacing Preparedness said “Deciding new trait” and held no value as long as I got 15 init instead of 12.

Also the little stuff is the easiest stuff to increase the majority of players build diversity. Not having to rely on Trickery to play weapons (not thief) to the fullest capacity means new lines. But its just my opinion.

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Thief buffs are op. Notice how we get a few buffs, and everyone cries bloody mary? I predict a hot nerf, its why I’m super trolling mesmers. Not gonna lie, its pretty funny. Check post history to find it. So as much as lowering a cd on our only 1200 range gap closer would help, its illegal because thief. Buffs=Thieftrue=breakgame. <—-code is in the engine betting it :P

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The Nuke Meta

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If that’s the meta, I’m going to enjoy playing the jack-kitten scrapper build. Hi you beautiful Thief stealth spammers, prepare for Zero Counterplay death >:D

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I would play my Mesmer if it wasn’t disgustingly potent. Didn’t touch it past 6/23 because one shots were just boring. Then HoT I was on Thief still, touched Mesmer’s (ahem, Chronomancer’s) “Chronobunker” build and was disgusted again. If its not faceroll easy, I will play it again. Honestly looking forward to nerfs, I need a light armor class to use (I play Warrior, Thief, and Ele. Hate ele, but…its less broken than Mesmer and people just hate whisper me 24/7 on Mesmer).

Reason to bring though, uh lets see. Slow, Quickness, Slow, Quickness, Near instant 25 might, near instant kills (or just instant…), aoe CC control, a free stun retaliation to backwards instagib Thief (Mirror of Anguish, Rage Sigil, Cry of Frustration, Mirror Image+Mirror Blade+Mind Wrack). An unblockable nuke to just agitate Revs in hybernation. A good method to shut down Necro’s who will be stupid strong again. Ele’s won’t be a problem still, if so I’ll just go condi.

No bunker amulets means Mesmer is a MAGE ASSASSIN. From 1200 range. Thief is from 1200 range, but has to combo you dead from 900 or less. 250 or so to be frank, because pistols are still utter trash.

If a rev hits you, they will be dealing far less damage so just same as Thief. Backwards instagib.

Ehm, like every other class Mesmer can only have 3 trait lines equipped at the same time, not 5.

I described a build with Domination, Chaos, and Chronomancer focusing on Blink and Greatsword plays. What did you think I was describing?

I thought you tried to describe a viable build, but to get that with the skill and trait choices you mentioned, you would need atleast 2 additional trait lines.

Number one- VIABLE is described by YOUR capabiltiies. Meta is for scrub players who have no individual style. Play how you want is a real thing- its like in LOL: I couldn’t play Sej when she was meta, but I knew my Shaco and Evelynn were still strong. So I won the Cinderhulk Sejunai meta. Same here, Viable builds are you capability. Generally viable is meta, most effective tactics available- based on the basic playstyle for new/unexperienced players to pick up and coordinated teams to mesh together over voice chat. In solo Q, this means nothing.
Here’s my current Mesmer build- http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAsfRnknBlphdqB2oBEgilTjiMAWggqOav2t1cH2mbA-TZBFABCcCAEvMAAPBAf2f4hDBAA
Granted, this is an odd and “weak” build but for me it works. I stun bomb teamfights then delete squishier players and heavily damage bunkers. When the squishies are alone (upcoming meta, hotjoin, RARE unranked/ranked) I one shot them with Prestige, Mantra, Mirror Blade+MirrorImage+wepswap into flurry+mind-wrack. I do not know who would use this besides me, but it works out well in my case. Pin down solos, destroy teamfights when I get 5 interrupts. Very nice stuff for me. I might…swap Chaos for that aoe confusion and the new Mercenary ammy I’ve been staring down. Anywho, this is the 30/30/30/30/30 or 6/6/6/6/6 or all-5-spec thing.

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Funny moments in sPvP!

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Mine isn’t A moment, its multiple moments- play a Pistol-Whip pk thief and watch what I mean. People forgot it existed.

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The Nuke Meta

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I forgot those were a thing, you’re probably right. Maybe zealots?

Edit: Nevermind. I’m looking in wrong area. Vigilant might rise for eles?

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Upcoming Changes to PvP Runes/Sigils/Amulets

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Mercenary’s Amulet
1050 Power
1050 Condition
560 Toughness
560 Vitality

Pls.

Valid concern – it’s the amulet that I’ll be watching the closest. We’re going to give it a shot and if things don’t work out we won’t hesitate to remove it.

This is literaly everything that’s wrong with this game’s PvP. People are already telling you this is gonna be broken, same reason you didn’t put Dire in when it came around. But you dont care, you do it anyway. You put it in the game knowing it’s gonna be broken.
That’s exactly how this game is balanced and that’s exacly why this season has been so laughable. With broken specs like chronos dominating the entire scene, instead of balancing properly before the season.

If this hits live, I’m willing to be my very meager gold coffers that it will be the new Cele. It gives excellent sustainable offense and mediocre defense, on top of many classes having plenty of blocks/evades… Just a thought. I do hope it hits live though. I really, really do- it might be what warriors need to be meta again.

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The Nuke Meta

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Sooooo, are we ignoring the medi-dire/soldier ammy? I mean, its not quite there but I do believe that will be the next meta amulet if it hits live in one piece…

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I really wanna try that new Acro line, but I can’t give anything up. I am legitimately sad. :C

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I would play my Mesmer if it wasn’t disgustingly potent. Didn’t touch it past 6/23 because one shots were just boring. Then HoT I was on Thief still, touched Mesmer’s (ahem, Chronomancer’s) “Chronobunker” build and was disgusted again. If its not faceroll easy, I will play it again. Honestly looking forward to nerfs, I need a light armor class to use (I play Warrior, Thief, and Ele. Hate ele, but…its less broken than Mesmer and people just hate whisper me 24/7 on Mesmer).

Reason to bring though, uh lets see. Slow, Quickness, Slow, Quickness, Near instant 25 might, near instant kills (or just instant…), aoe CC control, a free stun retaliation to backwards instagib Thief (Mirror of Anguish, Rage Sigil, Cry of Frustration, Mirror Image+Mirror Blade+Mind Wrack). An unblockable nuke to just agitate Revs in hybernation. A good method to shut down Necro’s who will be stupid strong again. Ele’s won’t be a problem still, if so I’ll just go condi.

No bunker amulets means Mesmer is a MAGE ASSASSIN. From 1200 range. Thief is from 1200 range, but has to combo you dead from 900 or less. 250 or so to be frank, because pistols are still utter trash.

If a rev hits you, they will be dealing far less damage so just same as Thief. Backwards instagib.

Ehm, like every other class Mesmer can only have 3 trait lines equipped at the same time, not 5.

I described a build with Domination, Chaos, and Chronomancer focusing on Blink and Greatsword plays. What did you think I was describing?

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Wtb a playstyle with evades not countered by Pistol Whip? Yes, I do. 3/4 cast time Vault, 1/2 cast time DB with 1/8 aftercast. One stunbreak not nuff.

Edit; But I do remember that new ammy with 1050 power/condi and 560 vit/tough. I bet its the next meta amulet for many builds, including yours.

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I’ve been trolling Mesmer forums. I advise you to join, its GREAT FUN.

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Oh I was talking on D/p spvp meta build. For WvW I do remember a lot of X/x/6/x/3 builds. In spvp, you need mug. In wvw I believe you require SA? I don’t wvw much on Thief, I did on Mesmer because one shots.

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Ok. See you on the next meta build. Inb4 greatsword usage? And I’m fine being wrong in theory when in gameplay I’m horrendously correct. Kind of like…now? If it makes you feel better that 1050 power/condi 560 vit/tough ammy will break stun warrior. But no one plays it, so no one will know. So you can be the bringer of the new warrior meta as well. But uh see my tag. I’m always always wrong, especially when im super wrong.

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I want Bolt. 3500g. 100 silver a gold. 350,000 spirit shards to go.

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Thief God Mode

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Slayer, you are trolling right?

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Watching everyone freak out

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It’s gonna be fine lol. But please continue to scream, throw tantrums, and cry over a preview. Oh and obviously, Thieves will be op, Mesmer’s garbage, Ele garbage, Necro balanced, Revenant balanced (or weak), Warrior still trash (not even close, my current build will be unbeatable. tyvm anet for that new dire ammy), Guardians just died because dazes, Engi’s will never see the light of day, and uh Rangers. Ye. So the usual after every patch? See you all freaking out again on the next “balance preview”. Gonna enjoy necroing this if I can find it.

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I would play my Mesmer if it wasn’t disgustingly potent. Didn’t touch it past 6/23 because one shots were just boring. Then HoT I was on Thief still, touched Mesmer’s (ahem, Chronomancer’s) “Chronobunker” build and was disgusted again. If its not faceroll easy, I will play it again. Honestly looking forward to nerfs, I need a light armor class to use (I play Warrior, Thief, and Ele. Hate ele, but…its less broken than Mesmer and people just hate whisper me 24/7 on Mesmer).

Reason to bring though, uh lets see. Slow, Quickness, Slow, Quickness, Near instant 25 might, near instant kills (or just instant…), aoe CC control, a free stun retaliation to backwards instagib Thief (Mirror of Anguish, Rage Sigil, Cry of Frustration, Mirror Image+Mirror Blade+Mind Wrack). An unblockable nuke to just agitate Revs in hybernation. A good method to shut down Necro’s who will be stupid strong again. Ele’s won’t be a problem still, if so I’ll just go condi.

No bunker amulets means Mesmer is a MAGE ASSASSIN. From 1200 range. Thief is from 1200 range, but has to combo you dead from 900 or less. 250 or so to be frank, because pistols are still utter trash.

If a rev hits you, they will be dealing far less damage so just same as Thief. Backwards instagib.

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Well, my old shatter build will work again (no more tank amulets). Assuming spvp. Assuming wvw, old kitten build will be god still. No change. Just land your explosion, stealth a few seconds, repeat… If you go chrono, its even easier. Just takes Domination Signet, Decoy, The Cripple Well, and the Spirit Bomb Well. Idgaf about heals, still gonna nuke. I barely touch Mesmer too, maybe thats why it works? I remember 6/23 very well, one shotting every player in wvw. MB→Blink→Pistol 5→Flurry→MI→Shatter. Phantasm staff will still work fine. Condi with the new aegis well might be incredibly potent, will test. Don’t be down. Just stop thinking inside the box and do what I do. Write down all the skills functionality (mentality or actually writing), theorize. People being attached usually overthink. Especially before full reveal.

That’s my help, I’ma skedaddle before people try to roast me for something or other.

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Sad bit is that Mesmer is still a far better team based player. None of that will change, its just that they go “omg I’m gankable” and refuse to play a teambuild. Kinda sad tbh. Assuming spvp. If wvw, roaming alone on anything that isn’t a duel build is dumb meaning you shoulda been prepared with a gank-prevention build.

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That’s fair. What was your main wep? I used a lot of power orientation, so mug was a major crutch to station myself on.

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See my point? Our problem is longevity over damage, though our damage is garbage. So I will take these buffs, I just wish they hit either of the problems- 15k hp OR preparedness baseline.

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I can’t stop laughing. “And now this combo Steal->Black Powder-> Heartseeker is going to be impossible to stop”. HAHAHAHAHAHA. I think the last time this sucker landed on me was 2014 LOL. God I miss being a newb, gonna be honest. Pro tip from a Thief to all “omg Thief going to be OP” sayers, if you get hit by this you were either not paying attention or pre-occupied. Meaning you deserved it. 1v2 encourages this. Lack of attention leading to death is probably the first thing anyone learns in pvp. Ever. Like, thinking you are allowed to live because “omg I glanced away for 4 seconds” is sad…but it happens because “omg my skill based passives”. I get that Steal goes through walls, but the amount of valid pathing remaining is minimal. On top of that, how does this damage make people freak out?

I’ve been reading for WEEKS “oh man, I accidentally killed a thief, my bad”. How does accidental killing and more damage relate to each other? Because more damage does not mean more survivability. Not unless you refuse to engage.

Anywho, mini rant over. I don’t care much. You players will get Thief butchered early. I can still see Mesmer being viable and highly pickable. I’ll trade you my new unblockable basilisk venom for ANY of your elites. Trade me, I’m game.

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I feel like the 300. Just gotta stay away from the game til balance patch to retain sanity and recover from the brutalities of bunker meta. Still hit the forums though.

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Prep baseline fixes this. I remember the oldest viable thief build (at least, when I started) having 25/30/0/0/15. This was DA all the way through to 10% for condi, critical strike from stealth, and Preparedness. Next meta, 30/0/10/0/30 d/p AGAIN. Mug and Prep. Next meta, s/d for a long time was 10/0/0/30/30. This build lasted a LONG time like d/d elementalist on cele long. Reason? Mug on heal, heal on init use, swift/might on evade, one extra dodge, 3 extra initiative AND reduces steal cd.

All of these were meta builds (I probably missed a few, but I’m going from memory of the strongest). All of them have Mug and have Preparedness. Heal on steal (no on cares on damage tbh, its just nice) and 3 initiative is just far too valuable.

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See, I really wanna take that new line right. But how do I give up Mug. How do I give up Preparedness? Thats already two trait lines, right? Then I play s/p and p/p…how do I give up Bound? :C If I get preparedness, I can finally stop playing with Trickery. FINALLY. Or Mug. Tbh, I’d take either. Especially if mug lost 30% damage and 10% heal so that it could crit again, I’d take that too…

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Preparedness baseline or not? I’m antsy and wanna know >.>

Also, thanks for the venom.

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:D
I was expecting disappointment. Then… I remembered “this isn’t all changes, just a small preview”

“Just a small preview”
“a small preview”
^^^^^
… Pistolwhip buff, impairing dagger bug fix, pistolwhip bug fixes (times 2 so far, quickness and sigil of paralyzation), scorpion wire bug fix….. I will now dream.

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