Guild Wars 2

I love ranger and hate my thief. Now to be honest i suck big time on my thief. Everything comes down to two things invis backstab (back attack regardless of weopan) or sb aoe. I find something new about rangers almost everyweek. And the more i play my other char the more i realize how versatile rangers really are.

As for as I know there are 3 was rangers can stealth. The first two are from the siamon pet. the last is a trait.

Blinding Tuft

Throw Feathers
Throw a handful of feathers to blind nearby foes. Stealth yourself.
Blind: 3 s Stealth: 3 s Range: 120

Hide in Plain Sight
Applies camouflage when dazed, knocked down, launched, pushed back, or stunned. This effect cannot trigger more than once every 30 second The stealth effect lasts for 3 seconds.

Wolfs have two kd affects

If This was also prior to the update on the 28th he could stealth with his pet almost every 20 seconds. If he did get the glob of plasma item.

It is possible they didnt cheat.

I dont believe pets are our strongest aspect. However it is a very versitile one. I can stealth because of my pet. Some people think its nice but not useful. I use it when ever I need to stow(my would you stealth and not stow your pet) my pet and run. Your pet only comes out if you take damge so the stealth plus your dodge roll should be enough to get you to where you need to go.

I am lvl 80 range. It wasnt theorycrafting. To say a ranger is not a pet class is to say Mesners are not an illusion class or trickster or to say engineers are not a gadget class.

My pet serve me very well and I only have 5 point in Beast Mastery. I am not saying my pets never die but when they do 90% of the time it is something I could have prevented.

Why do pets die in large scale battle becuase ranger treat their like Leeroy Jenkin. All the player are staying for the most part on the edge of the battle (except thieves). Mez clones and ranger pet are the targets that rush and die.

Certain pet are suited for large scale battle I like using My panter. Between Guard Its stealth ablities,Signet of stone and troll ugrent and my own dodge rolls its not hard to keep him alive.

It seems to me that those who understand ranger are a pet class tend to do better with rangers than those who do not. I dont rely on my pet to do all may damage.

The reduction in aoe is asking for problems. You will see pets attack treb and siege with now way off stopping them becuase they will be invisible becuase of stealth and guard and since you cant see them you can only with aoe but wait now they have aoe reduction or immunity. Also note alot of weapon skills have aoe damage.

Ranger are not the same as they are in other games. Accept the class as it is. Learn its strenghts. Over come its weakness. Master your playstlye in concert with this class (not the class you want it to be). Pets can stay alive vs Veterans, Elites, Champions and Legendary Bosses. Now mind you If its a mob that downs 90% of players then its going to kill atleast that many pets.

Rangers are a pet class. If you dont want a pet dont pick a ranger. Pets are not as weak as mez clones or necros undead. To be a ranger you have to be able to multi-task. Be aware of where you and your pet are. To be a ranger you need to learn your weakness and the weakness of your pets.

Learn the AI. For example if you jump off a hill will your pet follow or run around. what about a cliff. How far does your pet have to be from you before it auto teleports to you. What is the range on guard. Is it affected by the auto teleport range.
Does guard time out.

If dodge this bosses aoe will the protection my pet gets from my dodge roll stop it from dieing. Can my pet daze or kd this Boss to interupt its big attack. Can Interupt its big attack to same my pet. Will my heal save my pet. Doe swapping my pet recharge its non f2 skills (still).

These are just some basics. Knowing little things like this are why good ranger are good. Why some people think rangers are fine and other think they are useless.

Now the other trick is to use what you know. I am positive that those of you who know all the little tid bits and can execute the effectively are the one who like the class and do very well. And those of you Who cant do both are the ones having trouble.

This is only Phase one. They already know it’s easy. They will be bumping up the dungeons later but there are giving players a chase to get through it without all the exploits.

One thing i like is not res rushing. Some groups are finding it more difficult. I wish more groups clear mobs so they have a fall back point.

I hate TA becuase of this run run mentality. I dont feel that i have beaten any dungeon in the game becuase it feels so unexplored. Don’t matter how many times I have done them.

(I know this is not the case)
What If precusors were hidden in some remote corner of the dungeon. 99% of us would never know. Yet people would still complain how hard they are to get.

I am for harder comtent and anything that makes us do them.

People complained about this months monthly becuase they had to find JP. We didn’t even have to actually do them.

I hated jp becuase I had a weak graphic card. It made the simplest jump puzzles impossible. Some I would be agaisnt if you were force to do them. (I have a new laptop and can play even WVW with everything on high).

So all of you think it’s just a coding issue. Hmm

My ranger friend some of the issue you all are having with pet can be over come with the skills you are given. In jp You can just park you pet some place with the guard skill. You may have to do it more than once.

But it seems to me that most of you either dont want pets at all. Or want the benfits of having pet but none of the responsiblities.

It is very simple pet are as part of the ranger class as thier other weopans are. Untill they add a function that stows your weapon away in the same manner that you desire for pets this should not be add.

It is part of the class. If you would like to fight with a petless class create a warrior and cut your trait point by 40%. That will give you a close aproximation of a ranger without his pet.

I comes down to the fact that some just can’t play the class. Don’t get mad if you’re one of them. I for one can’t play a thief to save my life. Just as there are thieves that die as soon as you look at them there are other who excel at playing it.

I hear pets can’t do this and they cant do than. Most ranger use melee pets so think of what you would need to kill someone as a melee fighter. Some type of snare. Most people move none stop during a fight help your pet by moving toward your pet (if your opponent is the aggressor.)

People say We cant do anything in Orre. I can solo Champion in Orre. I would not be able to do this without my pet.

People say rangers dont have a role our role is being about to do alittle bit of everything. We are The jack of all trades. Some other classes may do it better. Well that just because we are master and they are Grandmaster but they cant do it all like we can.

So is there Hope. Yes for we Ranger are the shining become of balance. We are a solid class. Not alot of gimicky tricks like thieves or one trick pony like warriors (100 blades).

This skill is a great skill. As mentioned it can be used as an evade. It can also be used as a movement skill. This skill isnt trash its your application.

Dueling is for honorable folk. Thieve are not honorable. They are cut throat assasins. While that is good and bad. Its laughable to think a thief is calling someone out to duel.

Its not even the stealthing I have an issue with its you running for the hill when you start to getting your butt kicked. while kiting is a valid tactic in a fight thieve run well out of thier own weapon range while stealth. Its a kin to watching a UFC and one fighter runs and hides in the audience. Doesn’t really matter at that point if the thief wins. This is why thieves are viewed as cheap. Only one thing comes to mind when I see this happen. “Aha you ran from skitt.”

I have recently learned to play with auto attack on. Its a lot better than manually using first skill damage wise (but feel like i am playing more when its off to the point i hit the one key with my short bow even though auto attack is on.). For those of you having two you dont know you can hit esc to cancel any skill. This works for auto attack as well. If you are nt attack a target when you hit esc it will just bring up the option menu.

Before I hear why do I have tolearn to hit the esc key. It is something you should learn to do no matter what class you play.

Well then having rank an prestige is just like in RL. Some people earn it by putting the effort in and some people buy it.

The great thing about the 1h you can stay on target even when crippled lots of leaps and jumps. Bonfire is great burning is one of the highest condtions damage effects with all the cripples and the 1h sword and a dogs kd you can keep someone in the field for a good portion of the field duration.

There really isnt a reason that a trapper cant be a meleer as well.

I find dungeons bug alot when you skip mobs. When I kill the oozes rather than run pass I dont think I have ever had a problem with ac being bugged. It only bugs in genral for me when I try to fast farm. But thats just me.

It help if you think of you and your pet as a team. Your pet is melee so use cripple and cc effects. Your target is most likely targeting you and being more aggressive. So help you pet by moving toward it.

I melee alot so it’s a bit easier to keep pet on target since the 1h has alot of cripple. Also if my pet gets off target to much switching pets brings him to your side and in my case right in the enemies face as well. Using k-9s help becuase of thier kd’s.

Rangers should always think about melee even if you dont melee because most likely you pet is melee a melee pet.

urdriel.8496:

Bastionhawk.7120:

The name Ranger isn’t indicative of being ranged.

No……

ANET SAID:

Rangers rely on a keen eye, a steady hand, and the power of nature itself. Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows. With traps, nature spirits, and a stable of loyal pets at their command, rangers can adapt to any situation.

While it says blah blah range this range that. It also says rangers can adapt to any situation. Meaning if its a close quarters fight adapt or die. Its the reason we have melee options.

Yes, that’s because im Dyslexic. Funny thing is I’m an English teacher.

Lavexis.5360:

vitigis.4160:

I’ve beaten every class and every common build 1v1 scenarios in Wv3 and tpvp on my evasion tank ranger. Sure it takes a while due to the Ranger class complete lack of any real burst, but knowing your terrain, anticipating your enemies next move, and paying attention to THEIR cool downs as well as your own will serve you well (this will require you to spend time playing every class in the game in pvp to a degree). You can out evade/dodge even the most acrobatic of theives with sword/dagger and traits that give you a lot of vigor and such.

While i know that the Ranger class is full of bugs and has a lot of really bad/useless utilities, it is far from broken or unplayable. The Ranger profession can absolutely dominate in the right hands.

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The reason the Ranger is my main pvp choice is the challenge of it. It’s extra satisfying stomping a BS theif or a mesmer on my ranger. Bonus points when they whisper me for my build. Extra bonus points when they ask about runes/sigils/utilities. Extra Extra bonus points when they call the class OP. If I could save those tears in a jar, I would.

If I get too drunk to play well, I just fall back on my Mesmer or BS thief and go easy mode.

I think thats the problem people expect to press 1 once (auto attack )and own.

With a ranger you at least have too: 1, 1, 1, = sword auto attack off 4, 5 ,= torch, pet swap for kd and quickness, 7=zyphers quiness,1,1,1,1 —-——- F. And some were in there use serpent strike to lower healing or swithc to sb for the heal interrupt.

Its the reason I play a ranger becuase it not just 1111. I for one never used the sb before the neft becuase it was to boring. It took no skill.

That and I have a played other classes and I dont like them at all. Ele no weopan swap the the hell. Thief initiative. And stealth isnt all that. Mesner takes forever to kill stuff.
Guardian The whole concept of having heavy armor and a crap load of heal skill so your expected to tank and kite in dungeons.

I like playing my ranger according to what mood im in. And not having to do x.
I guess that a bonus when people under estimate your class.

Rangers need to learn to properly use thier pets. Yes the are not perfect they need some work. But those of you who dont know how to use cripple or cc to help your pet hit its target cry the most but its your failling not just your pets.

If you dont know how to use your pet you are just like a thief who cant use stealth properly or a mes who cant use illusions very well.

Both of these classes are a pain becuase of these mechanisms. As is a ranger becuase of his namly our pets. You dont have to use any trait that helps your pet just as a mes doesnt have to use any that help his illusions or a thief and his steal and stealth.

But dont cry when you dont do well becuase of it.

On another note aoe kills clones faster than they do pets same with engineers kits.
Other classs performances are affected. Maybe not is the same why but to the same degree like when a ranger pet dies.

Ever class complains about thier class. There are issue with rangers but there are issues with every class. While some view rangers as inferior there are others who think its a very good class.

Rangers are great in all aspect of the game. There are rangers who dominate in aspect of the game they enjoy. Dont believe me fine but do a couple youtube searches. while They arent may rangers who do. That just tells me it more of a LTP issue with a higher learning curve.

Some say ranger have the worst down state. I have to disagree for the simple fact while down our pets can skill do damge. A ranger can actually rally even if he is still being attacked. stealthing and mist form are just grief tacts but in the end they still die unless they are lost in the comotion.

In WWW you can send your pet into keeps and towers to kill foes hinding out as well as destory siege equipement. Yes you may have to send your pet in a couple of time but it can get the job done.

Some say pet are to squish but they are ok yes the die in aoe fields but a player would die as well. For me it isnt a issue I have a marco bound to both my f3 and v key so i can call my pet to me and dodge at the same time ( razer naga). I use this mainly when i am meleeing.

Ranger 1h sword is the highest dps weopan we have. Some ranger refuse to us it. Either because it goes agains their idea of what a ranger should be or they dont like the sword rooting and refuse to turn auto attack off. I tend to turn it off but i am learning to play with it on. There is a way you can dodge when every you want. But even if you havent figured it out you can evade alot with the sword anyway.

Those who stick to just one or two weopan set tend to have the biggest issues. In my time as a ranger I have come to love each of our weopans for what they bring to the table.

The beast master healing build is not my cup of tea, but I have learned alot playing around with it. I have added some of the element and tactics to my other build.
So what I saying is play with other build even if they dont suite your play style you may learn something useful that can be utilized by your current build or a future one.

We are rangers stop worrying about what other classes can do or dont have to do and learn what this class can do.

Dont let other people with different play styles tell you what is what. Find your own niche and if you cant maybe this class isnt for you.

You are asking for a visual sign your pet is dead. There are several already. Now if you cant tell your pet is dead becuase you are color blind there is still an audio cue.

So with all the things that are wrong with the ranger you want them to go back and fix this becuase you choose not to use the signs you are given. So okay granted it could be a little better but really there are a million other thing they should fix before even thinking about wasting time on this.

This is how rangers work. I just realized that I never really had a problem with this because I dont tend to run through mobs. The only time I may skip mobs is in wvw. But its really not hard to bypass mobs there.

I think a ranger should know better than running through a pack of wolves and expect nothing to happen or expect to outrun them.

So what I think is the really problem is is your play style. Alot of you skip alot of content in pve for what ever reason. I dont think the Dev should support or be pressured into getting behind this idea for that reason. Choose a different class and be done with it.

You and your pet get the buff. Daze= concussion Shot, hilt Bash
Fear = fear from shark pet and terrifying howl wolf pet active skill
Push= point blank shot, counter attack and counterstrike
Stun=Concussion Shot Hilt Bash

all interrupt.

all dogs have a kd and devours have a push will this does seem like alot.

However from what i understand pet skills cd reset when switched.

We have a dodge buff its Companion’s Defense you get 2 seconds of protection when you dodge.

From what i understand you also get daze and stun 50% increase aswell (from moment of clarity). The cool down is only 5 seconds so what do you mean long cool down.

Attack of Opportunity increases the damage of your next attack by 50%.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Glancing

Dante Dragonhand.2538:

It doesnt need condis honestly, just a reliable source of damage output. Rapid fire has a 10 sec cd, 100b has a 6 sec cd, maybe if they made rapid fire have a shorter cd, or just made hunters shot a damage ability like we want it would make it much better too use.

Dont think we want to start comparing range damage with melee.

The point of bringing up my condtion ranger was to point out that at time you get a obstructed message when target is invulnerable. While damge isnt applied but the condtion is. Also to point out its an invulneriblity buff which it sounded like he may not have know becuase it really doesnt matter if he can hit or not when he has the buff(unless the player is using conditions)

Also while attacking the same rat from the opposite side I did not get an obsturcted message.

God is in the details. Is the contact area of the arrow sprite to high or too low or is it simply to small or a combination.

Having information can greatly reduce your frustation if you know that you simply need to step to yourleft or right to overcome the problem or approach from the opposite side. It may also helping getting a fix a the real problem can be I.D rather than just saying it’s broken over and over (really how my bows are broken threads do we need with 100 people saying ya it is)

I have not problem soloing supply camps with my ranger. However I have noticed that when the guild claimer is buffed you do get an obstricted message when you should be getting an invulnerable message sometimes. But I also run a condtion build so hes usually at half life after the 2 minute buff wears off.

P.s
I actually when to this spot in beeletun and there is a little bump there. Problem is the hit box of the mouse is just below the bump. However sometimes mobs are bugged and you will get this message.

I also want to add all classes have melee and range so this problem affects all classes not just rangers.

Ranged pets have a shorter range and birds are consider melee not ranged (they phyically hit foes). Its not that hard to switch your skill once you enter the tower or keep or whatever because you should be out of combat.

We dont need more commands becuase it seems to me people are having a hard time using the commands that are already there.

I realize alot of people are from wow and are usesto having a script to do and tell you everything.

Part of being a skilled palyer is knowing when to or not to do something. Some ranger are starting to use pets to assasinate foes that are inside keeps and towers. While others have always known and do not use this tactic becuase its not a play stlye they enjoy. Then we have some who cant figure out how to attack foes with thier pets out side of a tower. Really! Really!

I think Some of us rangers need to sit down and fully explore what rangers can do before we start comparing them to other classes.

This issue only affect players who do not use the tools they are given correctly.Your movement speed is decreased when you enter combat. If your pet attacks you enter combat. Put your pet on passive. Then you only have to worry about yourself.

This isnt becuase you are a ranger the rat was bugged a would only take condtion damage. That is why your pet could not melee it. If you had switched to a sword you would have the same problem.

This is another example of rangers knowing what skill are at thier disposal. Guard is a great skill for getting you pets to attack as mentioned. Spirits die farely fast but you can place them while you are on a wall or keep a little bit back so the dont take damage and still get the effects. Most rangers from gw1 know you need to place them out of the way.

For the most part ranger skills are fine its how some rangers attempt to use them that cause the problem.

I like how one ortwo people like to say what the entire player base in a class can and cant do. There are rangers that are almost impossible to solo. Every class has thier strength as far as specs. It make sense that you have to spec into bm as a ranger just as condtion class have to spec into condtion. You can choose not to but dont complain when your performance is lack luster.

I am not saying that there is only one way to set-up a build but there are certainly wrong ways to do things and better ways.

Each pet already has thier specialty. the ranger class is what it is. Seems some people have chosen the wrong class.

I personally like the sword animation as it is. I however dont use auto attack so i am able to dodge when i need too and this weopan is so much more useful with auto off (not just for dodging). If they fixed the rooting issue I still would not use the auto attack with the one handed sword. I do use it for my other weopans there isnt a benifit for not using it.

You guys have to look at the bigger picture and think about what you are asking.
First of if I call my pet, It would make sense that he comes to me and waits for his next command.

Second If my pet spawned at the location of my last pet what happens when your in pvp and your target runs for the hills. Then you have a new target and swicth your pet. But you pet spawns at your last pet’s location and has to run back to you. By the time he gets there you are most likely dead already.

This is kind of a no brainer. You say Anet didnt consider pet location I submit that it’s you who only thought about one side of the coin.

Problems are seldom only 2 sided. One should try to come up with 7 solutions to a problem then go back and exploit the solutions. The real solution wont be perfect but atleast it should be less exploitable and less problematic.

Is this something we know for sure or are we perhaps overlooking something or assuming this is the case. Has anyone done any testing> Is there something in our trait line that would make pets to op if this was not the case and it was implemented later.

Did DaisyRogers just say learn to play a ranger. Yep I believe she/he did. And I kind of agree. Also when comparing damge you must account for pet damage. Its been said that pets account for 40% percent of the ranger overall damage.

Yes Pet AI is lack luster but you can atleast add 20% pets are not really that useless. I also want to add Rangers have more than two weopans. Longbow and Short Bow are not our only choices.

So you say your pets die to fast to aoe. Hmm that seems like a problem but then you have to consider the facts.

1. Are you using the right tool for the job
When picking a pet there are more things to consider than how much it crits or how much might it can give you. All of that is fine but it doesnt matter if its dead.

We know that on average melee has higher damage but there is a risk to using melee. you put your self in harms way. The same is true for your pet. Dont use a melee pet when what you are fighting can one or two shot you.

2. You have two pets that you can heal. you have skills like stone signet that can aid your pet in combat. While I would be hard press to use it on my pet that is a indiviual choice. Dont complain when you choose not to use the tools given to you.

3. What is your solution to the problem. Is the solution a balanced one. Can your solution be abused to the point its unfair to the other classes. For example: you want aoe reduction for your pets. How much reduction is good how much is too much.

Should your pet be able to take 50% of the damage a player would be able to take aoe wise. I think that would be way to much since you have two pets. Should rangers be able to send thier pets in to take out a treb or arrow cart and not have to worry about thier pets dies to either or the ele that is spamming aoe skills.

You can call your pet to your side at anytime you can switch your pets every 15 to 20 seconds. Anet has to do a balancing act. If I was them I would give your pets the aoe buff you request and do an aoe reduction to ranger aoe resistance.

I realize why anet doesnt respond to most post alot of it is either crazy talk or selfserving and most posters are not looking at the bigger picture. Even with legit complaints they cant always be fix right away there are other things that need to be addressed first.

Pet aoe toughness really shouldnt be on the todo list.

Once again people are viewing things only from thier own prespective. Pet attack skill a fairly big attack an like most big attacks they have warning signs so people can get out of the way.

Your pet is an extention of you. Pet are fine dont put your pet in a situation that you would be hard pressed to survive (without management). The aoe most of you are talking about would kill a player so why are you suprised it kills your pet.

I love my ranger. I really dont have a problem in pvp as a whole. I roam alot in wvw and take out supply camps solo(me and my pet). I tend to use a torch which present a problem. In a 1vs1 when things are going my way my opponent sometimes get a way. Even with my swiftness buff its seem enemy still are able to out run me. Even when i am running a zerg I always seem to be a straggler.

I Dont have a problem keeping my pet alive i switch them often for the quickness buff.

The main issues with ranger can be mostly over come. I dont enjoy playing other class.
I will say I dont play my ranger as I had imaged I would. But it is still fun. So for me the biggest ploblem is the lack of speed. Two ranger using warhors can keep the swiftness up but it seems as though its not fast enough even with the signet.

At least you trying to do something rather than just cry how about how bad rangers are. At first I would have to agree that the title doesnt fit. But then it dawn on me all ranger damage was meant to include pets. So while people complain the other classes have better bow damage than the ranger the forget that pet damage should always be include in overall dps. While people debate which pets do better damage like cat crit better or wolves kd so they can do more damage. The spider is a great choice becuase of the para and ranged attacks (has a better change of hit a moving target.)

Well done.

Yes why dont we make it easier for the botters.

the number two skill will leap away from the target its an evade skill use it a second time within like 2 seconds will give the leap finisher. So if you use it with bonfire you will get fire armor (think thats what its called). It works better if spec for condtion.

you can get 6 second of quickness. 2 second with pet swapping a 4 secound with quicking zephyr.

I have a razar naga and i really love my sword. its is really easy to hit 1 2 3 4 and 5
the rest need practice. I also have the mouse wheel mapped as f4 for switching pets so easy to get the burst of of them. I have the button just under the most wheel map to weopan swap.

Playing Gw2 with a razar naga vs a normal mouse is like going from a bicycle to a motorcycle. I will also add that playing a sword ranger with auto attack on is like using training wheels. Once you get the basics down the train wheels just get in the way.

The 1h sword is a great weopan. It can hit up to 3 targets and it cripples. Any ranger attemping to use a 1h sword should without exeption take auto attack off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbNuv4T8J1I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ5f7iEEFZc&feature=plcp

Ranger should learn to master this weopan without auto attack.

Just beucase other class dont have to remove auto attack isnt a reason for a ranger not to remove it.

The trapper build damage doesnt come closes. I maybe wrong. But the reason the build is good is becuase you can use quickness. As far as i know you cant speed up trap damage. If the target isnt dead or near in 6 second you have 9s untill you next burst. However you should have full health or near full. But it may just be your play style. Becuase the share numbers are better.

Kishandreth.2798:

equally skilled, a thief will take out the ranger. the initial burst cant be overcome. however most thieves lack skill.

Signet of stone is great. It does have a long cool down but you will be able to survie the burst and counter with you own. The torch is great becuase one you set them on fire you still can see the the damage tics.

I think both claims can be true. There are alot of bad rangers out there most of whom complain about the class. The ranger claim he has no trouble with theives. That doesnt have to mean he wins every fight but that the battle can go either why.

I dont have trouble with thieves in general. But I have lost battle to a player who was hand down better than I was class really didn’t have anything to do with it.