Guild Wars 2

Coldtart.4785:

Why should goals be grinding based and not skill based? Is pressing ans+1 on a calculator until it reads 1337 ‘working towards a goal’?

You do immediately get worse by not having an ascended weapon. If my 30 man zerg has exotic weapons and a similarly proficient 30 man zerg gets to do 10% more damage just because they pressed one button once a day for 14 days my zerg loses.

By this logic though, if your 30 man zerg has Exotics, why should they have an advantage over a 30 man zerg that hasn’t bothered to get any and is only done up in Masterwork pieces?

Edit: I mean Rare pieces instead of Masterwork. But you get my meaning.

Castaliea.3156:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

Pity more people can’t see it this way.
The idea of a long term goal apparently is lost on some some folks when they log into an MMO, and it becomes ‘I WANT IT ALL AND I WANT IT /NAO/!’

Or….some people just don’t want to use second best gear because a game had to be altered for people like you need a goal to chase to “entice” you to play the game because bi-monthly updates, WvW, and PvP isn’t enough to keep you content. This game was marketed with the exact opposite philosophy and now they go back on that for this…

Nice try.

Nice try to counter my opinion with yours. But the wonderful thing about opinions is that neither of us are any more right or wrong…

But since you brought it up, lets really break down what you are saying…
Being in what you call ‘second best gear’ effects… what, exactly?
You aren’t locked out of any content.
You don’t magically become any worse at what you are already doing.
Your skill levels don’t suddenly become ‘second best’.
You’re still able to do everything you were able to do before.

So, using Exotic gear is still perfectly viable in every aspect. You can get Ascended gear by working at it as a goal.
See? Theres that word again… GOAL…
If you really want it, you can get it. But it’s not going to be handed to you on a silver platter like a lot of people seem to want, from the tone of these forums.
And as for Anet ‘enticing’ to play the game… That’s what all games do for their prospective players.

Pity more people can’t see it this way.
The idea of a long term goal apparently is lost on some some folks when they log into an MMO, and it becomes ‘I WANT IT ALL AND I WANT IT /NAO/!’

“Feeling /better/! Ahhh… Time to bust some heads!” she says when she manages to rally from a downed state.

Huh…
So according to that chart… The tallest human can be just about the same height (or in fact a little taller) then the shortest norn…
Interesting… Never knew that.

Patience is a virtue that few people seem to have. Put those same people on the internet where they can hide behind their computer monitors, and you end up with the problem you are outlining here…
‘What? I have to wait 30 seconds for you?! ’Eff that and eff you!1! Kittening n00b!11!!’
A bit of hyperbole there, but you get the idea…

Here to offer a different opinion on the subject.
Not saying the OPs opinion is wrong, but I just don’t see it the same way. To me, Karma was always just another currency. It wasn’t bad to have, though I really wish there was more you could do with it.
I never felt overly attached to the amount of karma that any of my seven different characters have. I am the kind of person that has saved every karma jug/vial/drop/keg/etc in my bank and divided it up between my characters as I needed it. Now, it’s all in one big account pool. So for me, that works out just great and is much more convenient. You know how much bank space has opened up for me? XD
Anyway, that’s my 2 copper…

Just like real politicians who thank everyone in general when they stea- err I mean, win elections… They thank everyone in general, regardless of if they voted for them or not.
shrugs

Fortus.6175:

do seeing a person with a legendary make you go like; “Ohhh!”, are you indifferent, or another reaction?

Is there any reputation on getting one?

Would you go for it for the reputation or for the looks?

If it became harder/easier would you appreciate it more/less?

If you do appreciate something from legendaries or its users, what is it?

-If it goes well with the rest of their look, then yeah, I might look at them and admire the overall aesthetic. Plenty of purposefully obnoxious looking characters carrying around awesome looking weapons though…

-A reputation? I don’t think so… Unless you are involved with PvP somehow… But that’s all one big banana-stroking ego-fest anyway…

-If I wanted a Legendary weapon, I’d go for the looks…

-Not really… Having one shows you are dedicated enough to the game to get one. And hey, good for you! Nothing wrong with that.

-The above-mentioned dedication to the game. If you did it the ‘honest’ way and got it for yourself, then good on you! You put the time and effort (and had the luck) in to get one!
If you got one by getting gold in-game (dungeon runs, farming mats, selling stuff, running events, etc…) then good on you! You put the time and effort to get the gold to buy one!
If you used real money to buy gems to get the gold to buy a Legendary, then… Well, congrats! You got a Legendary. You dumped a lot of money into a game I like playing so you could buy one! Thanks for your support!

Oh so many pictures… Lets see… Here’s a couple I like.

Or… you can play the game normally and sell things as they come, either on the TP or at a normal merchant if something isnt selling well.
Sure, it’s probably not going to drop gold from the sky like running CoF path 1 ad infinitum and ad nauseum, but I personally find it a lot more enjoyable. And my main warrior is usually sitting on about 50 gold, with another 20~25 or so between the rest of my alts.

As a player who does both PvE and WvWvW on occasion, I can tell you one thing that needs to change more then anything to get more people interested in it.

A change of attitude on both sides.
PvEers would need to stop taking things so personally. That’s not easy for some people though, as it can be argued that anybody that plays a video game gets rather invested in it, and doesn’t want to ‘lose’.
The PvE game lets them keep things under their control… something that happens a /lot/ less in PvP.

Conversely, some PvPers need to stop being a bunch of elitist, self absorbed jerkwads. I can only assume that the majority of the people who PvP are not like that, but if so, then the minority that are, are the loudest, most obnoxious bunch of griefers out there who get off making others feel worthless and making dang sure that everyone they come across knows just how big their little kittens are…
Is that saying there are not such people on the PvE side? Hardly. But it’s a /lot/ easier to get away from someone like that in PvE, rather then in PvP.

Personally, years of experience on multiple games have left me cold to the ‘plight’ of hardcore PvPers. The worse experiences I have had have involved ‘leet’ PvPers who literally acted like 12 year olds with tourettes syndrome, spewing obscenities and sending me page after page of how much I sucked regardless of if they won or lost the fight.

In short, as long as internet tough guys and elitists are going to make any environment into an endless ocean of hostility (PvP or otherwise) then people that don’t feel like being mistreated are not going to be interested.

Krosan.2890:

Hasn’t anyone told you? Calling everyone kids to look cool on the internet got old around 2005.

Then they should stop acting like impetuous little children. The truth hurts…
Not that I hold any semblance of hope for such a thing…

cafard.8953:

Don’t blame Anet, blame the players. There was a system balancing servers before, doing its job, and the players called it ‘stale’ and ‘boring’.

Face it, players don’t want balance, they want to roflstomp every other week. This is precisely what this new system achieves.

This.
People kittened, cried and screamed like spoiled little brats about how ‘stale and boring’ it was to fight the same people over and over again.
They complained about it so much that Anet did something about it and addressed the problem by allowing a random degree of variance in who fights who every week.
Nobody is getting ‘trolled’ by Anet in their matchups. Random is random. If the coin keeps landing on tails, no matter how much you want it to land on heads, is the coin ‘trolling’ you?
The answer, kiddies, is no.

kittened if they do, kittened if they don’t…

/signed

Coloring of the visible back pieces would be great. I understand if this wasn’t available for all the back pieces (like the aforementioned quaggen backpacks…) But other then that, why not?

Interesting idea. One that, if it was implemented, I’d actually support… But only if servers were set aside for this sort of thing. Otherwise, way too much potential for griefing by jerkwad players. :p

Tulisin.6945:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

Tulisin.6945:

Secondly, reality check: Procs trigger and your combat log records hit like any other hit in the game. The constant arguments “I can’t tell if I’m hitting” and “You can’t use ranged attacks against stealthed targets” go to show that a large portion of people having issues with stealth do not understand how to play GW2.

Right… So, aside from the second swing of your weapon in the auto-attack (if there is one, depending on the weapon and class) or looking at your combat log and hoping to catch a glimpse of some damage against an opponent that very likely isn’t there, how are people supposed to know they just hit someone that’s Stealthed? And ranged attacks? Again, how to you target something that can not be targeted, and has the highest mobility in the game?
Again, nothing that anyone does can remove an enemy from Stealth once they have gone into it. Once there, the Thief is basically 1 or 2 Infiltrator’s Arrow shots away from running off and ‘kitten ! Fight reset! Hur hur!’

Again, you don’t, aside from a very few skills GW2 doesn’t require a target to attack. You use your screen to aim ranged attacks. The fact that a large portion of the community is still 100 % reliant on tab-locked autotargets in a combat system that doesn’t require them shows that the issue is much less “X profession is good” and much more “I don’t want to learn how to play”. It’d be akin to someone saying “I don’t want to use dodge” and then complaining that they’re getting destroyed. If you don’t use the tools at your disposal, and refuse to learn how to do so, you have no ground to stand on.

So what you’re saying is fire at thin air with ranged attacks… Now I am mildly curious… what ranged weapons are you using? Because quite frankly, if I’m on my Thief and someone is trying to shoot at me while I’m in Stealth, they are just giving me more time to basically do what I want. Shooting blindly is still shooting blindly…

Tulisin.6945:

You get to the core of the issue in your second paragraph here though. Infiltrator’s Arrow, while a great example, could be replaced with any type of thief mobility advantage. The important think to note here, though is that those mobility advantages do not require stealth to use. Stealth gets blamed for thieves escaping whenever it is used, even though the real culprit to thief escapes is almost always mobility. The fact is that stealth has very little to do with whether you’ll catch a thief or not. Having played a non-stealthing thief quite a bit myself, if I have the mobility advantage there’s still no chance that I’m going to be caught. Having played high-mobility professions against stealth heavy thieves that don’t have a mobility advantage, it isn’t difficult to track, down, and kill them regardless of stealth.

Most stealth threads devolve into this issue: People are really annoyed that thieves are hard to catch, but don’t understand that thieves escape due to mobility, not stealth. What you really want is thieves to be slower and less mobile, not less stealthy.

And here indeed is the very crux of the problem with Thieves.
Having the ability to basically vanish at will and stay that way is one thing.
Giving them high mobility is really another.
Hell, lets throw in the ability to do extremely high burst damage as well.
Each by themselves is not over-powered. (My opinion there, take it or leave it…)

Now put those all together into a class that can attack with extremely high burst from invisibility and then vanish again and have the mobility to run off faster then anyone else in the game.

The counter I keep hearing is that the weakness of Thieves is how fragile they are. And yes, they /do/ have some of the lowest HP in the game, granted. But that’s hardly much of a weakness if they can’t be hit.

It is simply too much advantage for too little disadvantage on the part of even a mildly competent Thief.

Tulisin.6945:

Firstly, I didn’t say to throw down AE and there’s a good reason why: AE is great for movement control, but it is an abysmal way to pressure a stealthed target. Anyone who is suggesting “use AE” as a way to kill stealthed targets is perpetuating a very ineffective tactic. If your response to losing your targets is to throw circles all over the ground then you need to stop, and you need to tell your misinformed friend to stop too.

Let me clarify on this, since I’ll admit the way I put it in my post was unintentionally misleading…
/YOU/ didn’t say ‘Throw down AoEs’. But dang if that isn’t what I hear a lot on these forums on how to counter a cheap stealth abusing Thief…

Tulisin.6945:

Secondly, reality check: Procs trigger and your combat log records hit like any other hit in the game. The constant arguments “I can’t tell if I’m hitting” and “You can’t use ranged attacks against stealthed targets” go to show that a large portion of people having issues with stealth do not understand how to play GW2.

Right… So, aside from the second swing of your weapon in the auto-attack (if there is one, depending on the weapon and class) or looking at your combat log and hoping to catch a glimpse of some damage against an opponent that very likely isn’t there, how are people supposed to know they just hit someone that’s Stealthed? And ranged attacks? Again, how to you target something that can not be targeted, and has the highest mobility in the game?
Again, nothing that anyone does can remove an enemy from Stealth once they have gone into it. Once there, the Thief is basically 1 or 2 Infiltrator’s Arrow shots away from running off and ‘Derp! Fight reset! Hur hur!’

Tulisin.6945:

As for where to attack, that onus is entirely on your skill as a player. Good players anticipate where the thief will be and strike there, good thieves will anticipate that their opponents will try to do that and will move deceptively in stealth. The good news for you as someone trying to kill a thief is that most thieves are terrible and have never learned how to move properly in stealth (because, as mentioned, nobody actually pressures them, they just wander off). If you anticipate the thief is going to remain on the offense, they’re probably making a beeline for a spot behind you so they can reinitiate. If you anticipate that the thief is trying to escape, they’re probably beelining towards friendly territory directly away from you. It only takes one or two successful strikes to completely obliterate any advantage stealth has given the thief, they’ve traded combat uptime for effectively nothing.

The counter to stealth is dynamic-behavioral, yet people continue to request a mechanical counter to a skill that is not mechanically-based.

Sorry, I can’t agree to this entirely. Not saying you are wrong per say. But the level of supposed ‘skill’ required here is nothing more then luck, unless you happen to be psychic and have some way of knowing where that invisible player will be.
And it only takes a barely moderate button-presser of a Thief to be able to out do someone on another class, no matter how skilled they are.
Sorry, but the risk/reward for Thieves is stupidly skewed in their favor so long as that stupid Stealth mechanic stays as it is.

Of course, all of this Thief hate could probably be mitigated to some degree if nearly every friggen Thief I came across didn’t act like a bratty, Tourette Syndrome addled 12 year old.
Maybe…
But that is a different subject…

Tulisin.6945:

ITT: People still fail to understand that the major drawback to stealth is the combat downtime. Thieves are trading the ability to attack for the ability to not be seen, essentially self-dazing for the duration they want to remain hidden. That is huge, and the main reason why “go attack them why they’re stealthed” is the best and most viable counter. A large majority of the population now, a year after release, still doesn’t even bother to try exploiting stealth’s greatest drawback, and simply gives thieves free un-pressured downtime. Thieves don’t steal their kills, they’re handed them on a silver platter by players that react to stealth like NPCs (“Welp, he’s gone, better wander off now…”).

Right… I keep hearing this argument.
‘Attack the invisible guy you can’t see and have no idea where he is! Just attack him!’
‘Throw down AoE and hopefully you’ll hit him!’
Reality check. Even if you do hit him you aren’t likely to drop him. Even better, you aren’t even sure you hit him, because nothing breaks a Thief out of Stealth.
But its okay… Just keep attacking the invisible guy…

Korsbaek.9803:

i think that they should keep it as it is where diffrent armor skins are available for doing different parts of the game

This, basically.
If you want the armor skins for the dungeons, then run the dungeons.

Karizee.8076:

You just need to remember it only takes about 30 people to make a mess of a forums and that there is certain vested parties that are less than thrilled with the success of this game.

When you see someone with 30+ pages of posting history about being disappointed for instance, writing books and reams of slander – dedicating their waking lives to making derogatory remarks about the game, it’s clear to see there is a different agenda than customer satisfaction being served here

Cheers!

So very true.
Look at just about any successful game out there and you very often find a -very- vocal minority that seem to dedicate their online lives to deriding and bashing it no matter what the developers do.

Sadly, my luck has been just the opposite of most others it seems… The majority of those that have invited me from enemy servers have either been chest-thumping little brats or raging, foul-mouthed sore losers.
Rather sad, really…
To be completely fair, I have had a small few contact me and show a bit of respect (regardless of who one or lost.) I was so shocked the first time it happened I didn’t know what to say…

Neural.1824:

DR is one of the primary reasons I don’t play anymore. It impedes players goals. It is an outright lie that it has anything to do with botting. DR, like so many other things Anet has done, is focused on funneling players to buy gems with real cash so they can buy gold.

Aaaand, you have proof of this from where?
Even if this conspiracy theory was true, you are missing the other, much more logical part of this equation…
If you have no DR, then the Bot runners and will just turn their dirty little hack programs on and farm entire maps for hours on end. The hardcore farmers who do nothing else for hours would be sticking rich, while the more casual gamers would watch as the prices on the Black Lion Trading Post would go through the roof…
I don’t get where people come up with this idea that it’s impossible to make gold in the game without buying Gems and converting them. That’s actually one of the dumbest ways to make gold, since running dungeons and doing events will earn you plenty of cash without spending a single dime on Gems.
It certainly could be seen as the ‘easier’ way of doing it, but says a lot about the impatient people who would throw down that sort of cash.
More to the point though, saying anything about Diminished Returns is nothing more then speculation on our part, since we don’t know how it works. (And chances are, we never will…)
I’m more willing to believe that it’s just unfortunate luck with the RNG then anything else.

Bad form. Zero sportsmanship. Disrespectful players who act like 12 year old kittens.
Welcome to the internet, where everyone that deserves to get punched in the mouth goes to hide behind their computer monitors in their mommys basement.
Some people think it’s their god-given right to act like total jacktards. But look at it this way… At least he didn’t page you and start harassing you verbally.

sostronk.8167:

I make a habit of dancing on dead bodies in any situation where I think there might be a useful comm that the dead player can give to their teammates. I personally have a pet hate with people dieing and hanging around. Hit the waypoint and move along. You should not be able to see whats going on around you when your dead (IMO) and hence I take offence to people doing it and do a little dance on their corpse to let them know how I really feel.

Anet has already stated it is a valid tactic. (Look it up yourself…) So get over yourself.

The problem is, how do you stop these lowlife griefers without impeding the legitimate people who throw down a lot of siege?
I’m not trying to give Anet an excuse here, but the problem is not a simple one…
Lets say they did limit the amount of siege that a person can throw down. What would that limit be? How would you code it? How long would it take to implement that code? Will that code interact with something else in the game?
I’m sure there are a lot of other things that I haven’t even thought of as well.
Coming in with the ban-hammer for such a thing would seem the simplest solution. But what happens if Anet starts getting complaints about commanders or players ‘dropping too much siege’ during a legitimate attack on a tower or keep?
(You want to tell me that griefers wouldn’t do that?)
The only real solution to problems like this is having actual ‘Referees’ watching WvW. But I doubt that Anet or NCsoft would really want to pay people to do that…
Which leaves us legitimate players in this unfortunate position. Keep screen-shotting the lowlifes. Keep reporting them. Keep bringing it up in threads like this.
It might take a while, but the squeaky wheel does eventually (hopefully) get the grease…

I personally hope they just fix the bug that allows you to /party with enemies… Getting so sick of enraged children and manboys paging me about how much I suck because I either beat them, or they beat me…

Quenta.2978:

I personally have nothing but love for the oinkbags of TC. They are my favorite server to fight.

Got to love the back-handed, name-calling ‘compliments’ like this…
Might as well just say ‘Thanks for the loot bags, ya punch-bunnies. Love fighting and killing you all because that’s all you’re good for…’
Doesn’t make it any less condescending.

Not that you give a kitten right?

Because it’s in a PvP zone…
The stereotypical crappy attitudes of those ‘Angry little PvPers’ that love to gank people not withstanding, there is no other reason that need be present…
It is what it is.

Is it valid?
Well, yes.
It’s a lot like camping in the jumping puzzles really. Some might say it’s not very sporting tactics, but in the end they are not exploiting or hacking anything.
Personally, I wouldn’t condone such actions, because I’m in WvW to partake in the fun.. Not derive pleasure from others misery.
WvW isn’t war… It’s a game. If people want to make that argument, then I say when you die, that’s it. No rezzing. No Way Points. Your character is dead and you lose everything they had.

No. Can’t see it happen with the game as it is.
Don’t want to see it happen either. Griefing, harassing, and the douchbags that are attracted to such things can stay out of this game and go elsewhere as far as I’m concerned.
People that are saying that WvW isn’t Open World PvP are just sounding like they are upset that they actually have to have people on their side…
All I have to say is, tough…
Go QQ more about it. :P

Sylosi.6503:

I’ll fix that for you: “Don’t accept random group invites if you’re an adult that finds the sexually frustrated rage of teens and manboys tiresome”

Basically this.
Angry little PvPers will be angry.
Report for Verbal Abuse. Then block and continue on your way.

amberlin.5124:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

[snip]To the OP…
[snip]To those responding negatively to the OP…
[snip]

What is most amusing about your contribution is that you are completely clueless as to who you are “coaching.” And then there is the hypocrisy of your own forum warrior baiting…

“Do unto others as they do unto you… with lots of butter and sugar.” <— for the popcorn.

What is even more amusing is your assumption…
Quite the contrary… I know exactly the kind of people I am ‘coaching’, as you put it. The same type of people you run into again and again… The forum names change over the years, but the childish arguments are always the same…
Odd how you refer to it though…
Exactly how am I ‘coaching’ anyone?
The OP brought an already much talked about (and argued) subject to the forums. And like always when it involves the subject of Player vs Player, the ‘My-way-is-better-then-yours’ attitudes quickly spiraled things downward into the usual trolling of the subject…

One hardly need to look too far in these very forums to see how my point about PvEers vs PvPers gets proven over and over again… ad infinitum and ad nauseum…

But, by all means… call me a hypocrite and continue to prove me right…

My oh my…
This entire thread is a perfect snapshot of the PvE vs PvP argument… The jumping puzzles in WvW just bring out the worst in people, I swear…

To the OP…
It’s a PvP zone, kid. While it’s nice to think that others will leave you alone and peace will hold sway in a Jumping puzzle while you run through it, the truth of the matter is, in the end it /is/ a PvP zone. They are well within their rights to attack you there. And really, coming here and making a tread about it does not help, and only gives fuel to the forum warriors and trolls…

To those responding negatively to the OP…
The reputation you all keep perpetuating… Angry little PvPers will be angry as they ‘Drink the bittersweet QQ of PvE Carebears!!’ and who for some reason can derive no pleasure from a game at all unless they are mindlessly slaughtering other people and then bragging about just how big they think their kittens are…
Really, the more I hear this silly type of nonsense the less I actually hear what they are saying, and instead just hear, ‘Ooo OOO! AHH AHH! >jumping up and down, chest-thumping!< LOOKIT MY BANANAAA!!’

Sore losers are bad, but sore winners are even worse, really…

Because people like to complain online…

WvW is about big armies fighting big armies. Do smaller ‘havoc squads’ and ‘kill teams’ have a place? Absolutely.
But, if said small team runs into a 30+ person zerg, and tries to stand their ground (for whatever reason) then the odds should not be in their favor.
Sure, skill can help. Good tactics on the part of the small team can help. And hell, despite the odds, the small team /could/ manage to come out on top. It’s not an impossibility.
But that should never be an automatic thing, even if it is just because of sheer overwhelming numbers.
Zergs are here to stay, whether you like them or not. If you never want to deal with the fact they you might be outnumbered and overwhelmed, then sPvP is over that way…

:

I’ve been stomped and smooshed into the ground by zergs so many times I can’t count. I can accept that is part of the game. I brush myself off and go back to what I was doing.

:

Q.Q more you PvE loving Carebear. Your tears makes killing you so much more enjoyable. L2P nub!

I’m quoting these here because they fairly clearly emphasize the point I am going to try and make.
Any PvP-esque situation is going to involve player attitude. And it is that attitude that makes or breaks a game.
Now in a perfect world, if more people that were defeated in WvW/PvP adopted the attitude in that first quote, we would have less people adopting the attitude in the second quote.
Now, does that make the attitude in the second quote justified?
(Personally, I don’t think so, since it makes the person who adopts that attitude generally sound like a baboon thumping his chest screaming about how big his banana is. )
I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that nobody particularly likes getting rolled over by a zerg… Just like nobody likes getting ‘cheap-shotted’ by a back-stabbing Thief that they can’t see before they are killed… Just like nobody probably likes getting condition stacked into the dirt by a Necro…
In the end, it’s the attitude that is adopted by both sides that either allows people to move on and continue playing, or to just let animosity grow and continue to polorize both sides into hating each other even more.
Developers can tweek and adjust classes and abilities and powers all they want. (And indeed, they should!) But until players attitudes change, bad behavor will continue to sully the reputation of anything PvP related.

daimasei.4091:

No, it’s not but people complains because they get rewarded for doing something they don’t enjoy. I don’t like grinding so dungeons are everything I don’t want to do in a game, it doesn’t matter if they are really easy (I just did AC for first time ever today and I ended being really good at it).
What I don’t understand is why people get mad when people get mad or why people must reply every single complaining with a complain or start a new complain of people who complain about the monthly.
Seriously, most people don’t care if anyone is good enough to finish the monthly in 5 seconds or less, they just don’t like the monthly and all complains are addressed to Anet in hopes of a change and maybe get rewarded for doing what they really like to do.

You are complaining that people are complaining about people that complain about something in the game that they feel they need to complain about?
Why so serious?!

Joking aside however… This months Achievement is the first different one we have seen. Like the Daily Achievement, it’s likely it will change from month to month. Also like the Daily Achievement, there will very likely be some that you will like, and some you wont.
That being said… Is it really, absolutely going to kill you to do 5 Dungeon runs over the course of a month?

No.
Getting slaughtered by someone I can’t target is not fun. Having zero chance to counter that is also not fun. And then if I do manage to survive and put up a fight, being unable to stop them from simply running away is also not fun.
As things stand, there are a number of reasons why many consider Stealth to be broken.
But really, it’s the very simple fact that it’s stupidly easy for a Thief to jump into Stealth, and all but impossible to stop them from doing it.
For example…
Why can a Thief go invisible to everyone around them because they hit something with Cloak and Dagger? I suppose the argument could be made if it was just the person he hit, but no… It’s everybody. They don’t even have to target a actual enemy. They can gain the benefit from an inanimate object.

As for Mesmers… I don’t comment on them yet, because I am still leveling one up to learn for myself how they work.

Why the Thief hate?
There are a lot of reasons. Some probably more legit then others.
They generally seem to fall into 3 categories…

1) Stealth
2) Burst Damage
3) Ease of escape from bad situations
(There are more, but those are the big ones people seem to point out the most.)

Each one, if taken by itself, is not so terrible that they could be considered game breaking. Hell, other classes in the game have some of them as well, whether by design or otherwise. (Culling in WvW, for example, can give everyone ‘Stealth’! Warriors can have high burst damage. Etc…)
The problem for many comes when you realize that you have a single class that combines all three.
Nobody really enjoys being ganked by someone they can’t see. Compound that with the fact that they are usually dead before they can react. And then top it off with the fact that, if they aren’t dead, the Thief can vanish and run away with minimal, if any chance for any retaliation.
Despite my signature, I do have a Thief alt, and this generally sums up things from my point of view.
Lets put it another way… I’m going to attack you, and my attacks are going to basically unplug your keyboard from your computer, giving you no chance to retaliate or in fact, do much of anything for that matter…
Might be fun for me (Personally, not really…) to put you in a situation where you can do nothing back at me. But I’ll bet that’s not a lot of fun for you…

I won’t be able to help but laugh if/when ANet finally fixes the culling issue and all the people that once yelled ‘QQ mour!’ and ‘l2p noob’ are suddenly on the other end of things…
Oh wait… they will probably just move on to the next Flavor of the Month class…

My biggest problem in WvW?
The Thief that managed to 2-shot me before I could see him, just about 20 or so minutes ago. :P
And no, I’m not a full ‘zerker glass cannon either. I’ll admit I’m not decked out for PvP, but geezus…

Vol.5241:

People who complain about getting killed in JP’s just fuel my desire to keep killing them.

Vicious cycle really…
To the OP… It’s a PvP zone. Regardless of whether or not someone believes a jumping puzzle should be in a PvP zone, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a PvP zone.

Columba.9730:

I wish they’d charge $100 per transfer. Sick of the server hopping.

This.
Band-wagoners that saturate the winning servers because they have to win -NO MATTER WHAT- finally will have to pay for it.

I actually agree with this…
As it is right now, the NPCs are next to useless. While I’m not against small strike teams taking out Supply Camps and hitting supply Yaks, there should be no reason why it should be facerollingly easy…

Slamz.5376:

This is the bank vault argument.

If you build a bank with a vault that had a screen door open to the street, people would rob the bank all the time. You could argue that the fault is in the people; that the bank vault wouldn’t need to be secure if people would just agree to not rob it.

But it’s more practical to just admit and it’s a really stupid way to design a bank vault.

And so it is with software development. It may be the fault of cheaters and hackers but it’s also really stupid to not have designs for contending with them.

This is not a bank vault though…
If it was as relatively simple as physically blocking up a door with bricks, mortar and steal, then I doubt there would be that many exploits to begin with.
On the other hand, (and using your analogy) I doubt that the ANet Developers intentionally made their proverbial ‘Vault’ with a big wide open screen door and said,
‘Eh, the players won’t intentionally exploit this. They are good people…’
I’m not a Game Developer (sadly…) I have no idea what goes into making a game like this work or what they did to test it. I /do/ know that, no matter how much testing you do, things will slip through, because there is a big difference between having a select number of people run through your brand new game, looking for something that could potentially break it, and having many times that many running around when it goes live.
Yes, it falls to ANet to fix these problems. There is no denying that. (Because really, who else could fix them?) But that doesn’t make the players who intentionally cheat any less at fault.
My biggest hope is that, come February, these big exploits will be dealt with and fixed.
Unfortunately, I am jaded enough to believe that would only make these players look for (and probably find) more exploits and cheats to use.

>waves to Black Gate<
Bye.

Kell,
It’s a noble thought and I admire you for say it… But lets face it, you are asking cheaters not to cheat.
In a perfect world, that would work and we could all focus on having fun with friendly competition. Sadly, there will always be those who ‘MUST WIN AT ALL COSTS!!’ just to stroke their poor little egos or otherwise make themselves feel superior.
ANet can do all the balancing and retooling they want. Until the attitude of these mental delinquents changes (I won’t hold my breath…) or we have dedicated referees watching us as we play (doubtful that would ever happen) there will always be problems like this in any PvP environment.

And here’s another reason my excitement for PvP is curbed…
Typical behavor in /any/ PvP instances, from my experience. While this is little more then annoying, it does greatly testify to the lack of respect and manners from people who love to frequent PvP.
Zero respect to them… They are only slightly better then map exploiters and cheaters as far as I’m concerned.

Daddyrage.6902:

People the point of games is to have fun, not playing WvWvW because there isn’t enough rewards is silly because there will obviously be more in the future and more stuff will come. Play stuff because it entertains you, why do you always have to be rewarded for what you do?

Seconded. Will never happen though. People like to sit behind their computer monitors and complain. :P
‘I WANT IT ALL AND I WANT IT, /NAO!/’
And when they do get it, they find something else to kitten about.

This does /not/ include complaining about something that is game-breaking broken, however. An exploit is an exploit, plain and simple.

Kakeru.2873:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

Ekove.4586:

5. Anonymity creates no rivalry…which to me is a big part of the PvP fun in an MMO…wanting to hunt specific people down.

Disagree 1000%
ANet did it right by making enemies unable to talk to each other. Last thing I want is some kid with an attitude paging me about how I suck, or how he’s going to kill me after I just killed him.

Wow. Someone needs to go back to school and learn the meaning of the word Anonymity. The poster was talking about being able to know who you are fighting by presenting their name on the screen other than “so and so invader” .

I am aware of what the word ‘Anonymity’ means, and it changes nothing. :P
Allowing players on rival servers to see the names of their enemies opens the door to serious griefing via pages and email.
I don’t want to know the name of the guy that just killed in WvW. That’s not important to me. Conversely I don’t want some angry little PvPer gunning for me because I hurt his little ego either.

Ekove.4586:

5. Anonymity creates no rivalry…which to me is a big part of the PvP fun in an MMO…wanting to hunt specific people down.

Disagree 1000%
ANet did it right by making enemies unable to talk to each other. Last thing I want is some kid with an attitude paging me about how I suck, or how he’s going to kill me after I just killed him.