Guild Wars 2

Patch will get here when it gets here. Simple as that.

DarksunG.9537:

CureForLiving.5360:

I must say I’m extremely impressed at how well you take all this non-stop and nonconstructive criticism… I’d say sorry for the players… but I can only speak for myself… I think you’re doing a good job though if that helps.

If you’re not joking.. You’re saying some expressing concerns that the story will continue to be bad is “non-stop and nonconstructive criticism”, but mocking them is considered "doing a good job ". Sweet.. just wanted to get that strait.

There is ‘expressing concerns’, and then there is simply ‘slinging mud and bile’.
While some of the former happens, far too much of the latter drowns it out.
But, therein lies that double-standard again, eh?
It’s okay to mock, belittle, deride and name-call so long as you are bashing the game and ANet in as vitriolic a way as possible.
But anything other then that?? Sacrilege!

Storm Toryama.2197:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

Feathered wings as a back piece… Yes, I’m all for this as a vanity item.
The only hitch I see is the inability to color back pieces (because I am pretty darn sure that if we get black feathered wings, people will want white or other various colors as well…)
A possible solution to this is using what they did for the Spinal Blades back piece, and give us the ability to change the color via the Mystic Forge.
Either way a non-flapping set of wings would be nice (or if their must be movement, keep it minimal… Like the above mentioned Spinal Blades.)

I don’t doubt it would be impossible for Anet to do the wings like they did the spinal back pieces. The question leaves: Will they do it?

I’ve always been a sucker for having wings as a back/cape item in games, except for this game due to the wing’s constant flapping. From a vanity standpoint, if said wings from the original Raiment set were to be released, it’d go so well with my set. But if Anet decides not to do this, can’t be helped I suppose.

In truth, I think the question is less ‘Will they do it?’ rather then ‘When will they do it?’
Wings, much like capes, are an item that people want, and it can be assumed with relative safety that it would either sell well in the Gem Store, or be a popular item to go out into the world and get.
Their reason for not making them? That I don’t know. I can only guess it’s because that is not their priority yet.

Feathered wings as a back piece… Yes, I’m all for this as a vanity item.
The only hitch I see is the inability to color back pieces (because I am pretty darn sure that if we get black feathered wings, people will want white or other various colors as well…)
A possible solution to this is using what they did for the Spinal Blades back piece, and give us the ability to change the color via the Mystic Forge.
Either way a non-flapping set of wings would be nice (or if their must be movement, keep it minimal… Like the above mentioned Spinal Blades.)

Oh my…
And just the other day I was thinking, as I stood here in Lyssa’s temple at the Cathedral of Eternal Radiance, how us poor Orrian ghosts never get invited to anything anymore…
Oh sure, I understand that the Risen undead aren’t exactly the best of guests and are usually more interested in yelling that dragon’s name then anything else… But still! Is it really their fault? No, of course not… And what of those of us that aren’t rotten, shambling zombies?
And then today, lo and behold, I see this little invitation addressed to my dear, departed mother, the High Priestess of Lyssa!
Now, my esteemed queen, I must say that my opinion of you northerners is much changed for the better! But, as much as I appreciate the thought and effort put into this invitation, I really can not, in all good consciousness, give this invitation to my mother…
Trust me, it is better for all that she not show up. She would insist on wanting to play ‘Teleport Tag’ with her Blink ability, or in dazzling everyone with those insanely bright lights of hers. Or worse, trying to ‘liven up’ the celebration by doing her ‘Watch me summon a big pink gorilla to play some drums’ trick… (The gorilla has amazing rhythm, but he plays them /far/ too loudly! Hurts peoples ears terribly…)
I myself, would simply love to attend in all my spectral finest, but I fear that distance will indeed be a problem. Perhaps I will ask Malchor over in the Cathedral of Zephyrs if he would be interested… though, in truth I doubt he will say much beyond being unable to see anything except his love, Dwayna. (Seriously… I rather wish he would get over that. She’s gone… It’s past time to move on, I say!)

Sincierly and graciously yours,
-Naomi Shinjo

((Haha! Forgive me, I couldn’t resist responding like that! I hope it is good for a laugh, at the least!
If number 270 is free, I’ll take that one! And the name, as above, is Naomi Shinjo! Happy festivities, everyone!))

Bensozia.8071:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

Conncept.7638:

Valandil Dragonhart.2371:

While you’re on the subject of hats, give our toons HAIR with the hats please.

This has been mentioned so many times since the game began even with the [Celebration Cap]. Unless you created a bald character, you’ll feel something is amiss with the lack of hair, which is very noticeable.

While that is simple in some ways, in others its really complicated. The complicated part is that hair and hats are currently the same thing so far as the game is concerned, and getting the game to recognize them as a different items at this point is no small task. However, once you get that fixed, hats and hair could just be two different geometric object placed at separate distances from the animation bones in the head. If hair and hats are separated in such a way that the game can alter one based on the other, we could even get hats which can be worn in a way that fits your chosen hairstyle.

Another, possibly easier answer is, just have the hair be part of the hat.
While this might not be seen as an optimal solution (since everyone would only get one kind of hairstyle while they wear the hat) it would be better then ending up with no hair at all. And, quite possibly a lot simpler to make too.

I think thats a great idea , cause witches should have a scraggly grey hair style right?

As opposed to having no hair at all, right?

Conncept.7638:

Valandil Dragonhart.2371:

While you’re on the subject of hats, give our toons HAIR with the hats please.

This has been mentioned so many times since the game began even with the [Celebration Cap]. Unless you created a bald character, you’ll feel something is amiss with the lack of hair, which is very noticeable.

While that is simple in some ways, in others its really complicated. The complicated part is that hair and hats are currently the same thing so far as the game is concerned, and getting the game to recognize them as a different items at this point is no small task. However, once you get that fixed, hats and hair could just be two different geometric object placed at separate distances from the animation bones in the head. If hair and hats are separated in such a way that the game can alter one based on the other, we could even get hats which can be worn in a way that fits your chosen hairstyle.

Another, possibly easier answer is, just have the hair be part of the hat.
While this might not be seen as an optimal solution (since everyone would only get one kind of hairstyle while they wear the hat) it would be better then ending up with no hair at all. And, quite possibly a lot simpler to make too.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Actually, I may be one of the few PC’s in GW1 that has an official ending for the character, that was recorded on film!

A massive group of players gathered during the Horrorween event, to summon forth a gateway, and send me and Miya back to our home world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=593AOo6-v6s#t=2m20

The players were instructed by Daniel Frozenwind (the snowman King) to dance around in circles, and fire off any festive items at their disposal, to energize the gateway.

As the players started running circles faster and faster, and Grenth’s Reapers channeled the energy into the shrine, a pillar of light started forming. And in one bright flash both me and Miya were gone, much to the surprise of an astonished audience (who had probably never seen anything like it in the game).

250 years later we returned, through a portal. For us, no time has passed, we are the exact same age as we were when we left. But time has not stood still for Tyria.

Dang… You all threw some serious parties back on GW1, didn’t you?
Quite cool to watch!
(… Darn it, now I can’t get that song, ‘Devils Never Cry’ out of my head… >.<)

Hannelore.8153:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

Careful… pointing out good things about the game… rather then endlessly screaming about every single possible mistake in thread after thread (which is just as often more an opinion then anything else…) will likely get you told something along the lines of ‘NOTHING GOOD EVER COMES FROM PRAISING A GAME!’ by the usual crowd of people around here…

And this post is somehow supposed to be better than such posts, how? I mean, you derailed a thread just to complain about other people.

Besides, I see plenty of praising on these forums, nearly every day a thread pops up praising ArenaNet for what a good job they have done on this game. In fact, I believe that if you fish a little deeper you will find that most complaints against the game are in fact because they keep messing with things that were highly praised.

This game is well loved by the community and always was. If it wasn’t, they wouldn’t be here and instead they would be off playing some other game.

I’m just sayin’.

I’m going to say this just to respond…

I’m pointing out what I see as a universal constant in these forums.
I love this game too. If I see something I truly disagree with, then I’ll say something about it.
But the overall attitude by the majority of those posting their negative thoughts on something more often then not comes of as childish, immature, full of snark and only as something they can get away with over the internet.
But what do I know?
I’m just a cynical old woman ‘White Knight’ who is sick to death of seeing nothing but hate, bile, vitriol and venom slung at the only game she enjoys playing these days…
…
I could say more, but what’s the point I guess?

I’ll apologize to the OP now for derailing their thread, and wont say any more here… I just hope that their thread doesn’t get overwhelmed and drowned out by all the complainers.

/muteself

Careful… pointing out good things about the game… rather then endlessly screaming about every single possible mistake in thread after thread (which is just as often more an opinion then anything else…) will likely get you told something along the lines of ‘NOTHING GOOD EVER COMES FROM PRAISING A GAME!’ by the usual crowd of people around here…

People get offended over the most stupid things these days. And instead of those in charge telling them to ‘Knock it off and grow up’ they appease them and thus everyone get’s knocked down to the lowest possible denominator in the name of political correctness.

It’s a sad sign of our times…

All that being said, I hope the people in this guild gets things straightened out. Sucks having everything taken from a group like that.
I am somewhat curious on the details.
Are you guys a North American guild? Did everyone log off and then wake up to find it gone?
Complete guild deletion with no warning or anything?
Could be a case of an over-zealous game Mod or… we haven’t heard the full story yet.

From a practical point of view? They don’t look very sturdy. Gives me the impression that they are more ceremonial then made for actually using in a real fight…
Then again, I don’t play video games for their practicality either.
Plus, if you are on a class that uses weapons, but never actually physically hits enemies with them (like say, an Elementalist) then said weapons could be made with more aesthetics in mind, rather then practicality.

I saw a huge norn run past me not too long ago named,
‘Buff McLargeHuge’.
That made me chuckle a bit, but what really got me laughing was when, shortly after, a carbon copy of him ran past named,
‘Buff McHugeLarge’.

Labjax.2465:

No game can match the sheer imaginative power of a hyped-up target demographic.

/thread

No game.
No movie.
No book series.
No television show.

/NOTHING/ can ever live up to the sheer imaginative power of a hyped-up target demographic.
It’s the society we live in.

Behellagh.1468:

There are so many fundamentally different takes on the EQ/WoW MMO model that are core to this game. Suggesting elimination or major changes to any of them to make it more like X will get you a “maybe GW2 isn’t the game for you”.

For instance, the PvE is designed to be as co-op friendly as possible therefore asking for dueling in PvE isn’t going to happen.

The fact that the waypoint system is laid out so you aren’t more than a minute away from any other waypoint means you don’t need mounts other than bragging rights. True you must find them first before using them and it costs a token amount based on the distance traveled and your level but that simply encourages exploration.

The fact that the best rewards aren’t tied to events which interleaves into the lack of a traditional raid endgame and no shared loot pool. There isn’t a need to run the same content over and over and over for the chance to get your very own “Golden Sword of Battle” or any other BIS item.

The lack of “traditional” MMO triad of tank/healer/dps and it’s default tactic of “tank ’n spank”.

These are just a few of the fundamental differences that was intentionally baked into GW2. Any suggestion to majorly overhaul any of these will still boil down to “change this game to be more like that one” and therefore will get the dreaded “maybe GW2 isn’t for you”.

I’m sorry.

What are you sorry for? That was a pretty fair and well literated response.

I am sure that someone, somewhere has asked about this before, but I haven’t seen it, so I’m going to ask…

It’s been two years in game since the Battle of Claw Island and the defeat of Blightghast the Plaugebringer.
Anyone else want to be able to go back there? I don’t mean as just a player instance (though, I suppose that would be better then nothing…) I mean as part of the open world.
I’m kinda holding out the hope that Anet adding Claw Island’s PoIs to the Overworld map was the first step in that direction…

PookieDaWombat.6209:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

calyx.9086:

PookieDaWombat.6209:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

PookieDaWombat.6209:

you know what would have been an even neater back piece? A cape with our guild emblem. It might even be bought in droves by players.

You know… Just this really weird, heretical thought on this…
But…
If they could make capes that worked for everyone… Don’t you think they would have done it by now?

Pretty sure if they can make big bulky back items that worked for everyone that they could have already come up with a cape design that would as well.

You obviously don’t understand anything about in-game physics.

This, basically.
Last game I saw that did capes well was City of Heroes, and even there, the amount of clipping that could happen was beyond belief. I saw capes turn into ampersand twists that would make a pretzel factory jealous.
And City of Heroes (as much as I /truly/ loved that game…) was not anywhere near the graphics level of Guild Wars 2.

Actually i know a fair bit about it. I also know that clipping occurs now on armor and there have been times when my toons have been bent to kitten and back after their animation went wonky mid move. I also remember all of those things happening with capes in GW1, yet surprise surprise, we had them there just fine, clipping issues and all.

To argue that the people at Anet can’t figure out how to animate them for jumping or swimming, etc is both a joke and an insult to the people who work on this game.

First and foremost… Guild Wars 1 =/= Guild Wars 2. The sooner we all get over that the better off we will all be.

Second. Nowhere did anyone say the Devs couldn’t likely ‘figure it out’… I’m saying it would very likely look comically stupid.
Especially on hunched over characters like charr.

And lastly… performance issues.
Characters in this game seem to have a minimal amount of collision detection programmed into them. It’s why characters can move through each other so easily.
Adding collision detection for capes (not even counting the programming needed to tell the physics engine what to do when this collision happened) is not a small thing in a game where that isn’t already in existence.
And really, collision detection is actually pretty heavy on processing power and performance.
On single character/small groups, that difference can be negligible, not just on the client side of things, but on the servers as well. But you add that to each and every character in the game? That negligible difference compounds exponentially.

Now, can the game handle it?
I don’t know. As someone that does not work for Anet, I’m not privy to that knowledge.

What I can be /pretty/ sure of though, is (despite what many in the forums will insist over and over again) that the Developers are not sitting up in their ivory towers, twirling their mustaches going,
‘Haha! The players want these capes so badly! Look at them writhe and squirm in their frustration as we don’t give it to them! Their endless tears feed us!’

calyx.9086:

PookieDaWombat.6209:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

PookieDaWombat.6209:

you know what would have been an even neater back piece? A cape with our guild emblem. It might even be bought in droves by players.

You know… Just this really weird, heretical thought on this…
But…
If they could make capes that worked for everyone… Don’t you think they would have done it by now?

Pretty sure if they can make big bulky back items that worked for everyone that they could have already come up with a cape design that would as well.

You obviously don’t understand anything about in-game physics.

This, basically.
Last game I saw that did capes well was City of Heroes, and even there, the amount of clipping that could happen was beyond belief. I saw capes turn into ampersand twists that would make a pretzel factory jealous.
And City of Heroes (as much as I /truly/ loved that game…) was not anywhere near the graphics level of Guild Wars 2.

Ashen.2907:

eekzie.5640:

Ashen.2907:

Three and a half million threads (approximately) with upwards of twelve billion posts about the recent update, mass hysteria, big foot sightings, cats and dogs living together….and the gem store is the only thing being updated ?

Did you not see the game update notes?

I was commenting on the ridiculousness of the OP’s claim that it seems only the gemstore is being updated when these forums have been buzzing with response to a very recent major update.

It’s called, starting drama… And it is done quite a bit on these forums with varying degrees of success.

PookieDaWombat.6209:

you know what would have been an even neater back piece? A cape with our guild emblem. It might even be bought in droves by players.

You know… Just this really weird, heretical thought on this…
But…
If they could make capes that worked for everyone… Don’t you think they would have done it by now?

luzt.7692:

While thats true, we also have alot of different opinions on this forum.

And its not akin to that anology you made, because we’re disagreeing on many things

Please explain how my analogy doesn’t work…
Skewed polls are still skewed and should not be taken seriously… Especially when you are dealing with forums like these…

It doesn’t matter that we are all disagreeing on many things.
What matters is that people come to these forums to complain and because they think they have some axe to grind against Anet and/or the people that don’t instantly conform to the knee-jerk reactions that are so prevalent here.
As such, there is bias… Bias against Anet and against the OP (which is glaringly obvious if you just look at these very forums.) As Vayne said, the Poll looked much different before the Forum people came in.

Funny how that works…

So again, I say it is skewed. The only way any sort of Poll like this would be at all accurate is if we could have it set up in the game itself. But we, as players do not have that ability… and as such, people will see what they want to see.

The problem with doing any sort of poll on these forums is how heavily biased it will be -because- it’s on the forums.

It’s akin to going to a city that very heavily leans towards a certain political party, and polling the population on what their political affiliation is.
You’re going to get some very skewed results.

The only way any sort of poll like this could truly be accurate is if you could do it in the game… And we as players do not have the ability to do that.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

There is a major world boss every hour. No matter what hour they chose you would still be here complaining.

They push out the updates as soon as they are available. There is no downtime and the fixes benefit people immediately.

This, basically…
There is no perfect time in a game that is playable 24/7 to update, that is not going to inconvenience someone.

Also…
-slow-claps for the ultra-snark-tastic tone of the OP-
Way to do your part at keeping these forums a nice, toxic, hate-filled mess…

Casshern.9678:

I hope there is no lock on level 35 rare armor, since their first tier cultural rare armor is for level 35. Is the cultural armor also changed the requirement to level 35?

Luckily, there isn’t.

Im Mudbone.1437:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

Vayne.8563:

Swizzle.7982:

“In most games, you go out, and you have really fun tasks, occasionally, that you get to do, and the rest of the game is this boring grind to get to the fun stuff. ‘I swung a sword. I swung a sword again. Hey! I swung it again.’ That’s great. We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2. No one enjoys that. No one finds it fun.” ~ A Sword Swinging Backpeddler

And people wonder why Anet won’t talk to them. A quote from a four year old video is still being quoted today and used as a weapon of sorts.

Anet should just shut up and stop saying anything. It might come back to haunt them.

Anet should just shut down these forums all together.
Anything and everything they say or do is met by angry, foaming at the mouth, insults and verbal throat jabs from the same people over and over again, who think they know better then everyone else…

I wish “THEY” WOULD shut down the forums as they are useless, illogically un-heeded unless it’s something “they” want to see in the game anyway and GW1 did just fine without a forums.

If it means less toxic, hyperbolic bullcrap like half the stuff I see posted by the same people who scream over and over again when the game changes at all, then yeah. I’d be all for shutting the forums down.

And for the record, I have tried the new leveling system. It seems fine to me.
So go ahead… Throw your insults about how I, and others that aren’t vomiting up how much they hate the game now and how it’s completely ruined now, are nothing but white knight apologists.
Flame anything that myself, Vayne or anyone else says, that isn’t jumping on the ‘I HATE ANET!!! WAAAAAAH!!!11!1’ rage-fueled freight train.
It’s all these kitten ed forums are good for anymore.

Vayne.8563:

Swizzle.7982:

“In most games, you go out, and you have really fun tasks, occasionally, that you get to do, and the rest of the game is this boring grind to get to the fun stuff. ‘I swung a sword. I swung a sword again. Hey! I swung it again.’ That’s great. We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2. No one enjoys that. No one finds it fun.” ~ A Sword Swinging Backpeddler

And people wonder why Anet won’t talk to them. A quote from a four year old video is still being quoted today and used as a weapon of sorts.

Anet should just shut up and stop saying anything. It might come back to haunt them.

Anet should just shut down these forums all together.
Anything and everything they say or do is met by angry, foaming at the mouth, insults and verbal throat jabs from the same people over and over again, who think they know better then everyone else…

So you are angry because people are playing with their new shinies on the day it came out?
How about you just chill the hell out and give it a day or two so people can have their fun with the harmless little icon over their heads that they earned.
And yes, they earned it… By getting the gold and the badges to buy it.

The sentiment is nice, Zoso. Really, it is.

But the righteously indignant will shout how it’s their god-given right to say what they want in as vicious and vitriolic a way as possible because it’s really easy to do that from behind their computer monitors.

Yay for the autonomy of the internet…

New cut scenes? Where?

You know, I have this radical, waaaaay out there idea on how to fix this…

So, the problem is…
People find out something through this Insider Trading, buy a lot of stuff for cheap, then turn around and make a huge profit by inflating the cost of them on the TP…
That’s basically the gist of what I am reading here, yes?

Here’s the radical solution…
How about we don’t buy from them. Simply don’t pay these stupidly inflated costs for these items.

Seriously. People want to get greedy and jack up the price for these items to stupidly high levels? Then I say let those items sit in the TP and rot.
People keep inflating the prices as high as they do because, apparently… some dumb rube is stupid enough to keep paying that much.

This reminds me…

About The Cathedral of Silence and the personal story instance… draxynnic brings up an interesting point with that up above.

draxynnic.3719:

The Cathedral of Silence, to be fair, does actually involve a ritual… but in the open world, this ritual is performed by a kittening atheistic charr. In the Personal Story, it’s actually a human performing the ritual… but no, she doesn’t know the rituals of her own god well enough to perform it herself, they had to put in asura magitech to show how it’s done! And then, when the priestess praises Grenth for giving them the information, said asura is rude enough to correct her and claim all the credit himself right in front of an emissary of Grenth… who fails to upbraid him for the implied insult.

I’ve been giving this some thought…

In the open world, the ’ kittening atheistic charr' isn’t trying to commune with Grenth or his Reapers. He’s trying to clense the Temple of Zhaitans corruption. That’s a little different then what they were trying to do in the personal story…

In the personal story, the human priestess that performs the ritual /does/ know how it’s performed… in Kryta. That doesn’t mean those same rites and rituals would work in an Orrian temple…
As I recall, the human kingdoms had their own way of worshiping the Gods. Cantha, for example, had their own version for what the 5 gods looked like and their own rites by which they worshiped them.

(For an interesting look at this, look here… ftp://ftp.guildwars.com/downloads/gwf-manual.pdf)

So… what would happen if you tried to use, say… a Canthian ritual in an Orrian temple? Or a Krytan temple for that matter?
I’m going to guess that such a thing would probably be frowned upon. You are basically going into someone elses house, and as such, it’s (at the very least) polite to abide by their rules.
Further, why should she know a ritual from a temple that no living human has been in for at least 256 years?
So, not wanting to do something wrong (with who knows what possible consequences) she lets the asura use their magictech to see how it was done.

Lastly, when said asura ‘is rude enough to correct her and claim all the credit’… (An asura that has been rather condescending the entire time… like most asura…) He said it was his device that summoned the Seventh Reaper to begin with… (which is outright untrue.)
Yes, the Seventh Reaper doesn’t correct them. He doesn’t say anything to him. In fact, he pointedly /ignores/ him, showing him no recognition at all. Because to him, the little, loud-mouthed asura is not important.

Now, all this might be more personal perception then anything else, but since their is only so much you can do with the way cinematics were presented, it leaves a lot of things open to interpretation.
Simply put, it’s all in how you look at it. When Pokka (the asura) says what he says, for all we know, everyone else (including the Seventh Reaper) could have just shot him a withering glance that quickly shut him up.

Tachenon.5270:

Elric.6971:

I’m going to be perfectly honest, I really feel so little for the game these days I only log in to snatch a living story chapter, and even that’s just to be a spiteful leech, really.

I gave up City of Heroes for Guild Wars 2, and while I regretted it before, I can honestly say I would give up BOTH Guild Wars games and Arenanet itself to have Paragon Studios and City of Heroes back.

I’d trade GW2 for City of Heroes in a heartbeat, but I’d want to keep Guild Wars. Guild Wars and City of Heroes were my ‘home’ games – the ones I’d always come back to after whatever else I decided to try got old. Never forget, never forgive.

City of Heroes… How I do miss that game.
As much as I miss it though, I freely admit there is no small amount of rose tinting my glasses… I’m not even a fan of Western Style Comics, to be honest… but that certainly didn’t stop me from enjoying the hell out of playing it…
No… CoH was special in a way that I can’t quite put my finger on.

Jornophelanthas.1475:

I have no signature, but I still agree with Listenbird.

Opinions are personal, they don’t apply to “the” playerbase.

This. Everyone that has an axe to angrily grind and thinks they know how to run a game company can stop acting like they speak for me and anyone else /besides/ themselves.
Thanks.

I’m fairly happy with the game.
I think some things should be more of a priority. I think some things shouldn’t be at all.
Overall though?
Yeah, I’m fairly content and can’t wait to see what comes next.

But as Tobias said up above…
“There are people who still delight in just . . . I can’t put it any other way than this: They want to run around and find people enjoying the game, and just push their unhappiness out in the form of “if you like this game, you’re not worth talking to” more often than not. It’s not in the things they say so much as the attitude which rolls off the posts.”

I’m sad I can only hit the +1 button enough on that…

Ryan Mozo.9581:

And the point of this thread isn’t to complain about stuff so if that’s all you’re going to do then please don’t bother.

^^

Oh, I do love threads like these. Say what you want, but this game is gorgeous, and the pictures and vistas that people can show are just downright beautiful.
Here’s my small addition to this thread…

I think you might be over-estimating how much the Priory might know. If they did, why would they be working so hard to gather more in former human kingdoms like Ascalon and Orr? And why is the Priory mantra something along the lines of ‘So much has been forgotten’?
I can’t say much about the Whispers and what they do and don’t know, but to me, their organization is such that, even if one part of them does know, another might very well not. And they seem rather uninterested in sharing that knowledge if they do know it.

As for ‘exploiting the advantage of gw1 human lore’…
The survivors of those great calamities didn’t have time to grab their history books and records… The Seering of Ascalon, the destruction of Orr, the Foefire… None of these disasters were things that people saw coming.
Ergo, knowledge is unfortunately lost.

This is what I’m trying to say. How can humans exploit the advantage of GW1 lore, if they don’t know it anymore?

I’m not going to argue what was and was not said during development, because that’s about as fruitful as talking about the Manifesto… Things are subject to change, simple as that.

Now, what I am /not/ arguing here is the desire to see humans step up a bit and be less under-represented in the world and the story… I’m merely giving possible and plausible reasons (as I see it) why they aren’t at this point in Tyrian history.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

The sad thing is, this is what humans were meant to be portrayed as – the most knowledgeable on the world’s history.

But what we get is, in fact, closer to “everything they had ever known, was wrong.” At least in presentation.

A point I’d like to bring up…
To be fair, you have to admit that even the humans didn’t seem to really know -everything- back in GW1.
It sure seemed like it, and in a game that is, really, completely from their point of view, it’s easy to think that way.
But certain things seem to cast shadows of doubt on that assertion…

Easy example off the top of my head…
Common thought is that the Six Gods brought humans to Tyria. However, it is also mentioned that humans could have already been here in Cantha, a place where they had their own customs and even the names of the gods were different.
So which is it?

Point I’m trying to make is that human knowledge of history might not have been as comprehensive as we were led to believe.

Also, about their current situation… 250+ years of disaster, war, and tough losses have pushed humanity in Kryta to near extinction. In that sort of situation, knowledge gets lost.
As a historical equivalent, think of the time between the fall of the Roman Empire and the Renaissance. It took Europe a long time to get anywhere close to what ancient Romans had accomplished and they basically had to relearn everything.

Humanity is at that point in the game, now.

Anyway, that’s just my take on it.

Nice thought… but no.
People like to complain and whine too much.

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pdavis.8031:

This would be awesome!

But it would have to be done in instances. Otherwise newer players finishing up their PS would be super confused, and none of the events would make any sense at all. But from purely a story stand point, I think there could be some really cool things that could be done with the cleansing of Orr. The Priory would more then likely be at the forefront as far as the rituals go, and the calling of the gods. But having the summoning not go quite as expected resulting in a return of the Mursaat, or something could be really cool.

Maybe if the zone was created in southern Orr to the right of Cursed Shore new players won’t get to it until they get to at least Cursed Shore because that will be the only zone bordering the area. So will be the only point of entrance. That way we can have a new permanent area for people to explore and play in. YES! the Mursaat! Would be a great way to get veteran players of GW to relive some golden years and new players to GW will get to know the history and the lore of the GW universe.

There is another possibility (though how popular it would be is… questionable…)
Have the new zone only be accessible to those who have completed Arah Story. That way, new players will have to see the fall of Zhaitan before being able to see the new zone…
Not sure how viable that idea is though, since the general feel of the game is, you can go anywhere regardless of anything else… But, it’s just an idea to toss out there.

As for your OP… I’d personally love to see something along these lines. Some kind of restoration being worked on in Orr would be great to see.

@draxynnic
A well thought out and written response.

/respect

I did have a rebuttal to continue this conversation, but thanks to my flipping internet, it decided to lose it all… ._.
I simply say for now, I agree with you on some parts of what you have stated. I disagree on some others.
If/when I have the time, I try and re-write what I was saying. But for now, I’m just rather miffed at Firefox and myself for not putting it all in a Word Document or something. >:o

draxynnic.3719:

@Shinjo: The problem is that there are times where the developers seem if anything to be going out of their way to downplay humanity. They haven’t just shifted the focus everywhere, they’ve been deliberately ignoring or actively taking away many of the things that made humanity special.

There’s also the very valid point that the norn have also been sidelined, and there they don’t have the fig leaf of GW1 being focused on them. In the broader picture, it feels as if spirituality in general is being sidelined – unless you count the dragons, it really has been feeling as if the Pale Tree is the only higher being of significance since the original Personal Story, and neither the gods nor the spirits got more than token play in that either outside of the early norn stuff.

Now, I’m agnostic in real life, but I do like a bit of that sort of thing in my fantasy, especially since norn and humans both have some interesting mythology that largely seems to have been swept under the rug. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m interested in sylvari stuff as well – but I can certainly see why people are getting upset that the Pale Tree seems to have taken over the role the gods did in GW1, and in a much more direct fashion.

Hmm… Well, lets look at this then, and my apologies if I meander a bit…

I don’t really see the Pale Tree taking over the role of the Gods from GW1. She fits more into the role of Glint, I think. Influential and predominate in the world, but not nearly as all powerful as some here on these forums try to make her out to be. And if you think about it from a certain perspective, this last LS chapter shows just how ‘mortal’ she is (I use the term ‘mortal’ here loosely, since I can think of no better term to use here.)
Now, it’s not really easy to judge different levels of power here in the GW universe, but I get the impression that, if the Pale Tree were replaced by Melandru, the Mordrem attack wouldn’t have even been an issue… Melandru would have backhanded the Shadow of the Dragon back to it’s master. The best the Pale Tree could do (admittedly after she had already been hurt) is wrestle the dragon and pin him in her branches long enough for us to hit him in the head repeatedly, bloody his nose and make him go away.

Now I’ll agree that the other races have some very interesting lore that I would absolutely love to see explored more… (Especially the norn… They are larger then life in more ways then just their physical stature. I figure they will become more predominate in the story (perhaps along with the Kodan as well) once we turn our eyes northward to take on Jormag and his forces.)

As for ‘deliberately ignoring or actively taking away many of the things that made humanity special’?
Well, it was unavoidable when humans became only one of five playable races that their importance would be (seemingly) diminished. It just can’t happen any other way and is especially noticeable when you go from a game that is all -about- them (GW1) to a game where they now have to share the spotlight (GW2.)
That being said, what have they really taken away from humanity, aside from their predominance in the first game? When you really come down to it, it’s all still there and I honestly don’t see where the writers have ‘deliberately’ gone out of their way to ignore or diminish them.
It only seems that way because the focus on the story right now is not solely on them anymore…

Speaking of that…
I’m not going to say that the story writing for the game thus far has been ‘ZOMG AMAZING!!1!’ It’s had its ups and downs, sure, and I think it could have been improved in some instances… But, I say that with the full understanding that -anything- can be improved. The story writing so far has been, at worst, adequate for an MMO. The operative words here being ‘for an MMO.’ If this sort of writing was done for a more static form of media, like a book or a TV show, then I would be more hesitant to let it pass.

As for the apparent dominance of sylvari in the story, realize two things…
One… sylvari are new. They never appeared anywhere before now, and the ‘mystery’ that surrounds them is an easy one to try and explore. You don’t have to worry about previous lore about them because, quite frankly, there is none.
Two… how can we realistically have the big enemy of the current plot be Modremoth… the Elder Dragon of nature and plants… and /not/ have the sylvari be a predominate fixture in it? That would be about as logical as having us go after Jormag and not having the norn basically take center stage for the story.

Anyway, that’s my take on it all. The general hyperbole that some present here about the sylvari dominating absolutely everything and ‘killing the lore’ is just that… Hyperbole.

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ShinjoNaomi.1896:

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Tommyknocker.6089:

Sad Swordfish.9743:

Yeah.. two of my friends left the game and went back to WoW because of lack of duels. I asked them why they just didnt pvp? Apparantly they didnt enjoy the competitive aspects of WvW and sPvP.

“in duels you don’t die. its not serious. you are just having fun”.

I don’t know. I think duels would be cool but there should be an auto-ignore option!

There are a plethora of MMO’s that have the dueling feature, and afaik only one triple a rated game (this one) that doesn’t. I’m sure ANet doesn’t want to lose players like your friends there, but I’m positive they don’t want to lose the players that were drawn here for it’s more friendly co-operative atmosphere.

Also auto-ignore doesn’t work when you are being followed around by someone slandering your name in map screaming on about how you are a coward; has happened to me.

The bolded part is making me lol.

As far as i know, ESO still doesn’t have duels either. They have the same threads on their subreddit and forums as well. Like literally, the same conversations about duels, except they say ESO instead of GW2.

I guess people won’t be happy until they can trash-talk and chest thump about how great they are/how terrible other people are in every single game out there and deride the ‘carebears’ who just don’t care for the hyper-competitive mental children that seems to be attracted to PvP.

Yeah, it’s definitely laughable…

yeah i know right!

Or those people that make blanket statements about an entire group, based on their own personal experiences with a tiny percentage of people that may share one common factor with the entire group!

Laugh central right here!

I know!
Those people who keep making those ‘blanket statements’ about all those PvE-loving Carebares and how they are blocking their PvP fun are indeed, very laughable… Aren’t they.

This is exactly what i was talking about. Since I am in favor of open world duels, i am automatically labeled as a troll, jerk, harasser, what have you. You automatically assume i want to duel and harass strangers to boost my ego or whatever the prevailing stereotype is now-a-days.

I have never once called anyone a carebear or complained about people who don’t like PvP.

Your irrational disdain for open world duels has turned you into the same type of troll that you fear open world dueling will propagate.

Irrational disdain?
Tell me, if you have a group of people that, 9 times out of 10 ends up slapping you in the face, spits epithets at you and brings endless amounts of harassment when you run into them, is it ‘irrational’ to not want to have anything to do with them?

For lack of a better way of putting it… This line of logic makes as much sense as blaming a victim in a crime…

There is PvP in the Mists. There is WvW. Yet you want to interject PvP in the only place in the game where there is none and where it is not needed.
Sounds a lot more ’troll’y to me then anything…

You want to call me a jaded, angry gamer or a ‘troll’? Fine. But don’t pretend that this entire pile of crap that’s been slung around started from the oh-so-wonderful PvP community.

/No on Dueling in PvE

Yeah, it is definitely irrational to claim that 90% of the players that enjoy competitive PvP are bullies that want to harass you and spit in your face. Either irrational or your really bad with percentages.

Keep it up man, every time you post you continue to prove my points.

Far more irrational to claim there isn’t a problem and to just dismiss those who do not agree with your standpoint out of hand.
But I suppose that’s easier…

And what points? The only points I see proven are my own and others with similar concerns about the toxicity that comes with this sort of thing.

But no… Lets just keep bringing up threads like this until we are all ready to vomit because we are so sick of it.

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ShinjoNaomi.1896:

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Tommyknocker.6089:

Sad Swordfish.9743:

Yeah.. two of my friends left the game and went back to WoW because of lack of duels. I asked them why they just didnt pvp? Apparantly they didnt enjoy the competitive aspects of WvW and sPvP.

“in duels you don’t die. its not serious. you are just having fun”.

I don’t know. I think duels would be cool but there should be an auto-ignore option!

There are a plethora of MMO’s that have the dueling feature, and afaik only one triple a rated game (this one) that doesn’t. I’m sure ANet doesn’t want to lose players like your friends there, but I’m positive they don’t want to lose the players that were drawn here for it’s more friendly co-operative atmosphere.

Also auto-ignore doesn’t work when you are being followed around by someone slandering your name in map screaming on about how you are a coward; has happened to me.

The bolded part is making me lol.

As far as i know, ESO still doesn’t have duels either. They have the same threads on their subreddit and forums as well. Like literally, the same conversations about duels, except they say ESO instead of GW2.

I guess people won’t be happy until they can trash-talk and chest thump about how great they are/how terrible other people are in every single game out there and deride the ‘carebears’ who just don’t care for the hyper-competitive mental children that seems to be attracted to PvP.

Yeah, it’s definitely laughable…

yeah i know right!

Or those people that make blanket statements about an entire group, based on their own personal experiences with a tiny percentage of people that may share one common factor with the entire group!

Laugh central right here!

I know!
Those people who keep making those ‘blanket statements’ about all those PvE-loving Carebares and how they are blocking their PvP fun are indeed, very laughable… Aren’t they.

This is exactly what i was talking about. Since I am in favor of open world duels, i am automatically labeled as a troll, jerk, harasser, what have you. You automatically assume i want to duel and harass strangers to boost my ego or whatever the prevailing stereotype is now-a-days.

I have never once called anyone a carebear or complained about people who don’t like PvP.

Your irrational disdain for open world duels has turned you into the same type of troll that you fear open world dueling will propagate.

Irrational disdain?
Tell me, if you have a group of people that, 9 times out of 10 ends up slapping you in the face, spits epithets at you and brings endless amounts of harassment when you run into them, is it ‘irrational’ to not want to have anything to do with them?

For lack of a better way of putting it… This line of logic makes as much sense as blaming a victim in a crime…

There is PvP in the Mists. There is WvW. Yet you want to interject PvP in the only place in the game where there is none and where it is not needed.
Sounds a lot more ’troll’y to me then anything…

You want to call me a jaded, angry gamer or a ‘troll’? Fine. But don’t pretend that this entire pile of crap that’s been slung around started from the oh-so-wonderful PvP community.

/No on Dueling in PvE

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Tommyknocker.6089:

Sad Swordfish.9743:

Yeah.. two of my friends left the game and went back to WoW because of lack of duels. I asked them why they just didnt pvp? Apparantly they didnt enjoy the competitive aspects of WvW and sPvP.

“in duels you don’t die. its not serious. you are just having fun”.

I don’t know. I think duels would be cool but there should be an auto-ignore option!

There are a plethora of MMO’s that have the dueling feature, and afaik only one triple a rated game (this one) that doesn’t. I’m sure ANet doesn’t want to lose players like your friends there, but I’m positive they don’t want to lose the players that were drawn here for it’s more friendly co-operative atmosphere.

Also auto-ignore doesn’t work when you are being followed around by someone slandering your name in map screaming on about how you are a coward; has happened to me.

The bolded part is making me lol.

As far as i know, ESO still doesn’t have duels either. They have the same threads on their subreddit and forums as well. Like literally, the same conversations about duels, except they say ESO instead of GW2.

I guess people won’t be happy until they can trash-talk and chest thump about how great they are/how terrible other people are in every single game out there and deride the ‘carebears’ who just don’t care for the hyper-competitive mental children that seems to be attracted to PvP.

Yeah, it’s definitely laughable…

yeah i know right!

Or those people that make blanket statements about an entire group, based on their own personal experiences with a tiny percentage of people that may share one common factor with the entire group!

Laugh central right here!

I know!
Those people who keep making those ‘blanket statements’ about all those PvE-loving Carebares and how they are blocking their PvP fun are indeed, very laughable… Aren’t they.

Would more communication be good?
Sure.
Would it help much?
I honestly don’t think so…

It’s akin to trying to appease a fat kid by feeding him more candy… It’s never enough.

And as it has been pointed out earlier in this thread… There is a large difference between the forum goes here and the much larger majority that just play the game and never come here.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again…
It only takes a relatively small number of people to turn forums like these into a toxic cesspit…
No amount of ‘open communication’ would ever help with that, and if anything, would only give more fuel to fan the flames…

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Tommyknocker.6089:

Sad Swordfish.9743:

Yeah.. two of my friends left the game and went back to WoW because of lack of duels. I asked them why they just didnt pvp? Apparantly they didnt enjoy the competitive aspects of WvW and sPvP.

“in duels you don’t die. its not serious. you are just having fun”.

I don’t know. I think duels would be cool but there should be an auto-ignore option!

There are a plethora of MMO’s that have the dueling feature, and afaik only one triple a rated game (this one) that doesn’t. I’m sure ANet doesn’t want to lose players like your friends there, but I’m positive they don’t want to lose the players that were drawn here for it’s more friendly co-operative atmosphere.

Also auto-ignore doesn’t work when you are being followed around by someone slandering your name in map screaming on about how you are a coward; has happened to me.

The bolded part is making me lol.

As far as i know, ESO still doesn’t have duels either. They have the same threads on their subreddit and forums as well. Like literally, the same conversations about duels, except they say ESO instead of GW2.

I guess people won’t be happy until they can trash-talk and chest thump about how great they are/how terrible other people are in every single game out there and deride the ‘carebears’ who just don’t care for the hyper-competitive mental children that seems to be attracted to PvP.

Yeah, it’s definitely laughable…

pigdog.9215:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

If PvP Trolling and harassment really wasn’t a problem, then why can I look up something along the lines of ‘online player vs player toxicity’ or something similar on Google and find over 400,000 results from practically every corner of the gaming community?

Don’t get me wrong, there are toxic, angry mental 9-year olds no matter where you go. The difference is, in PvE as it is now, I don’t have to worry about those same angry little kitten-heads gunning for me.

And before you ask, yes I do occasionally PvP… With my friends in my guild in sPvP with the custom arena we all chipped in to get…
And this is coming from someone whose oh-so wonderful PvP experiences over the past decade or so included (but is not limited to) some little prick who got so infuriated by the fact that I beat him in a duel (back when I played WoW so many years ago) that he threatened to find me in RL and kill me.
Yeah… I wish I was making that up…

So no… not too keen on the idea of Dueling in PvE…

I guess you need to see the laughter in people acting stupid, if i beat someone in a duel and they threatened my life i’d be laughing my kitten off on my chair. How can that not be an enjoyable moment? Its not as if he will actually kill you, cmon its the internet have some fun.

Because I find no enjoyment in verbal abuse.
But your right, I should be laughing I guess… I’ll start with the constant BS threads like these that want to change the game for a loud, vocal minority… and screw what anyone says to the contrary!
Yep, this is funny stuff…

Still saying no to Open World Dueling. SPvP is that way.

If PvP Trolling and harassment really wasn’t a problem, then why can I look up something along the lines of ‘online player vs player toxicity’ or something similar on Google and find over 400,000 results from practically every corner of the gaming community?

Don’t get me wrong, there are toxic, angry mental 9-year olds no matter where you go. The difference is, in PvE as it is now, I don’t have to worry about those same angry little kitten-heads gunning for me.

And before you ask, yes I do occasionally PvP… With my friends in my guild in sPvP with the custom arena we all chipped in to get…
And this is coming from someone whose oh-so wonderful PvP experiences over the past decade or so included (but is not limited to) some little prick who got so infuriated by the fact that I beat him in a duel (back when I played WoW so many years ago) that he threatened to find me in RL and kill me.
Yeah… I wish I was making that up…

So no… not too keen on the idea of Dueling in PvE…

Basically, this is one of those events that can get upscaled to a point where it is almost impossible to keep the NPCs alive and their Moral from breaking.
I -think- if you listen to what the NPC says before the event starts, he mentions the need to not attract too much attention before getting to their destination… And well… bringing an entire army with you on such a mission is not a good way to keep a low profile.

So yes, it’s normal.