Guild Wars 2

Like Hobbs said about. The shear chaos of it all.
I was afraid that this wasn’t going to be all that impactful. That is was only going to be some mobs showing up in some areas of LA.
My fears of that were swept away during that movie scene, and was only reinforced when I saw everything else involved.
The refugee camps, the dialogue… even the sight and sounds of LA when you are standing on the other side of the gateway in Gendarran Fields.
And then when you actually get to storm into the city and take the fight back to Scarlets forces. I thought, at the very least, Fort Marriner would have still been standing and holding the line…
Nope. Scarlet came in and hit the place like a sledgehammer… Just like she should have.
Kudos to you devs on this one.

laharl.8435:

Arivain.2618:

The good guy in me wants to say “There’s plenty of other crafting areas besides LA, there’s always your home city that will have less lag than when you were in LA.”

The dark side of me says “Are people really this lazy to walk half a minute south and go through a gate for FREE to get to a crafting station???”

While people are complaining about spending real money to get the captain’s ship pass, I’ll enjoy crafting in a place where I’ll have no lag due to a high amount of AFKers. =3

No doubt. I rarely went to LA anyway. If people would stop complaining maybe they’d realize LA wasn’t the best place for crafting in the first place. It’s amazing people are kittened about this considering everything is free elsewhere, even more convenient.

Well honestly, because they /want/ to complain and be righteously indignant and will always find /any/ excuse to do so from behind their computer monitors.
The only conclusion that can be come to, once you really break it all down.

There are legitimate issues with this game (as with any other game out there.) But being kittened off over an item in the gem store that is a luxury and, in the end, completely unnecessary to play the game?
The whole thing brings to mind the thought of an 8 year old having a tantrum because he has to walk one aisle over to get his favorite breakfast cereal.

And as for loading screens…. I’m going to take the (very likely) unpopular stance here and ask how it’s Anets fault that you don’t have a computer and/or an internet connection that is good enough to not have a 10 minute loading screen (which I can’t help but think is yet another example of hyperbole that is so prevalent here…)

/e shrug

If people want to act like the sky is falling in these forums every time Anet does /anything/ then yeah, those of us who stop and think about it for half a moment have every right to respond with sarcasm at the hyperbolic, rage-fueled posts that make these forums so kitten ed toxic.

-facepalms-

Oh no… The terrible inconvenience of having to use the Azura gates…
The game is so broken now… It’s P2W…
The horror…

/end sarcasm

Any little excuse to be raging mad at anything, I swear…

Because it’s easier for people to complain vehemently when they are sitting behind their computer monitors, safe from any real repercussions from their words.
It’s as much an internet thing as it is anything else.

Cliff.8679:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

@Cliff
I can count how many times I have missed out on loot bags on one hand. And that’s because I died a split second before the enemy did. (In which case, in my mind, I died first. Why should I get loot from that?)
Normally? I don’t miss loot with the AoE option. I have mine keyed to the C key on my keyboard. Which is right below the movement keys… It takes less then a half-second to press that button… A lot less then that actually. (No, I haven’t bothered timing it…)
Now, I’m not an expert here, but I honestly don’t think that the micro-second spent tapping a button is going to cost you anything.

Let me give a more specific PvE example, then. In the Tequatl fight during the battery phases, you typically leave about 20 seconds early to prepare to burn Tequatl down when he lands. Very often on the run back towards where he lands, I’m still getting plenty of EXP popups informing me that many of the enemies I was killing at the batteries and megalaser have been killed. There’s no way of knowing which enemies they were, where they were, or if they dropped anything. A true autoloot function would prevent missing any of the many potential drops I’ve missed out on on my many Tequatl runs.

You seem to be against the idea of a true autoloot option. Do you have any actual arguments as to why this would be a bad thing?

Zaxares.5419:

I think a true autoloot option would be handy, but with regards to Tequatl, you can rest easy. All of the mobs that spawn during his fight do not drop loot (to prevent players from just farming Champs instead of fighting Tequatl).

Tequatl and most other big world events that spawn a lot of Champs are like that I think. I know it’s that way for the Claw of Jormag too.

@Cliff. To answer your question…
I am not so much -against- an autoloot option then I feel it is not nearly as big a problem as some people would like to make it out to be by the tone of this thread.

Toby.2357:

Scott McGough.6897:

AlphaDelilas.2873:

<<snip!>>

To which ever part of the team that made her: thank you so much! <3

To you and everyone who has expressed appreciation for Taimi in this thread: on behalf of the entire Writing Team, you’re very welcome.

We’re very fond and proud of Taimi—her characterization was the result of a lot of good team effort and collaboration. Special thanks to Debi Derryberry (the voice actor) who really helped bring Taimi to life.

And here’s to whatever the future holds for our progeny prodigy. Cheers!

Now if only you guys could keep that up and prevent us from future Scarlets

Always got to be someone to throw the jab in…

@Cliff
I can count how many times I have missed out on loot bags on one hand. And that’s because I died a split second before the enemy did. (In which case, in my mind, I died first. Why should I get loot from that?)
Normally? I don’t miss loot with the AoE option. I have mine keyed to the C key on my keyboard. Which is right below the movement keys… It takes less then a half-second to press that button… A lot less then that actually. (No, I haven’t bothered timing it…)
Now, I’m not an expert here, but I honestly don’t think that the micro-second spent tapping a button is going to cost you anything.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

Dunno if this belongs in this forum and not on the suggestions boards…
However, I’m all for the idea.
+1

The suggestions sub forums have been archived and can no longer be used. Suggestions are to be posted in the main forum for each subject.

Ah! I stand corrected.

Dunno if this belongs in this forum and not on the suggestions boards…
However, I’m all for the idea.
+1

Weasley.5614:

That third One lOoks amazing shinjo. Where did you get it at? ( sorry for the weird spelling, im on my phone lol)

Ah, that’s one of my favorites… That’s at Balthazar’s Temple in the Straights of Devastation right after it was liberated.

That would be my guess. A crying shame that there are people out there that would do things like that just to get their jollies off.

So much beauty in this game… So many pictures taken.
Honestly, I wouldn’t know where to begin on a question like ‘What do you think is the most beautiful.’
But, here’s a few of my favorites.

The same reason why the Joker can seemingly find an endless number of flunkies to follow him in DC comics.
Plain old writers caveat.
It makes no logical sense why Joker (or most other villains for that matter) can find people to work under him when it’s a fairly well known fact that those flunkies often end up dead, incarcerated or worse.

Another thought…
Lets say that these factions /do/ indeed manage to just say ‘Hell with this. I’m not following this crazy twig anymore…’
Where are they going to go?
I’d bet money that they can’t go back to their parent groups and say ‘Uh… hey guys! Uh… sorry for everything I did… No hard feelings. Right?’

In this case, they signed a Devils Contract. They are stuck in it and they know it…

What kind of limit do you mean?
A limit on the amount of APs you can get via Daily Achievements?
Honestly, I don’t feel the need for any limit on the amount of Achievement Points a person can earn in a given time.
What would such a limit achieve?
Truthfully, if I happen to have a good day, where I managed to get a lot of the Achievements on my Daily list done (beyond the 5 it takes to get the Daily Achievement done…) then darn it, I want all my extra Achievement Points!
I’m not a rabid AP chaser, and I don’t feel compelled to try and do /all/ the Daily or Monthly Achievements. They happen on their own for me through normal gameplay. But I see little benefit to effectively throttling back the amount of AP’s anyone can get over the course of a certain time period.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Blockhead Magee.3092:

If you say so

I’d rather the company hire writers with creativity.

Oooh, there’s a problem. Because ‘creative’ doesn’t translate necessarily to ‘good’. Much like “professional” doesn’t necessarily mean “good”.

See, I’d rather they hire writers who are comfortable working with them. Because if the writer isn’t comfortable, things won’t mesh right, and you get things like writers departing over personal issues with other employees rather than more serious issues.

Writing is an art.

And Tobias gets it…
+1 to you, good sir.

Hylek…
Heket…
Same thing… They’re all frogs…

To quote the Wikis…
‘Hylek is the name of Heket in Guild Wars 2.’
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Heket

‘The hylek are wide-mouthed frogmen with lashing tongues and are descendants from the heket species of Elona.’
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Hylek

Shakkara.2641:

VOLKON.1290:

Still not seeing you getting screwed over here. You chose to buy the molten pick and used it for how many months now?

Not long enough for it to pay back for itself, not in gold and not in convenience.

You paid for the convenience of having a pick that doesn’t ever run out. And will continue to never run out. It will continue to work just fine.

Shakkara.2641:

VOLKON.1290:

Well here’s the question, before the watchwork pick, did you have any plans or intentions at all of buying another pick?

No. NEVER EVER EVER. 12 euros was already on the expensive side and close to rip-off territory.

Hmm… If you never planned on getting a new pick anyway, regardless of what it did, then why are you up in arms about this?

Shakkara.2641:

VOLKON.1290:

If no, then ANet did a good job of getting you to change your mind and go for the newer model.

They made the first item, which I paid A LOT of real money for worthless. So I demand a compensation for that.

Tools are account bound, so can already use them on an alt. I NEVER want to use the molten pickaxe on an alt anymore, as using that makes me miss out on sprockets!

USELESS MOLTEN PICKAXE.

Oh, so the Molten Pick no longer works at all? They came out with the new pick and deleted or otherwise broke your Molten Pick, /forcing/ you to buy the new one…

killcannon.2576

I’m not using a slippery slope argument.

To quote your earlier statement…

Yes, the sprockets are a small thing. So let’s just move the goal post a little further…then a little further…then a little more.

killcannon.2576

A game becomes pay to win as soon as you can buy things with money that are not available to everyone else in game through normal game play. It’s that simple. The game has always been pay to win to some extent, it just wasn’t very blunt about it.
Can I also get a pick in game through normal game play that has a bonus chance of spitting out sprockets? No? p2w.

Actually yes. Buy a regular pick, go to a Sprocket Node in a Home Instance.
Again, you can get them through normal game play… via said Sprocket Node. Or buying them off the TP if you really want them. All without having to pay a single Gem. Not P2W.

What the people who are arguing for keeping this and things like this in game are using is a shifting sands logical fallacy. You said it yourself, if it gave out gold coins…then it would be pay to win. Why? It spits out sprockets worth…you guessed it…money. It’s just not that much. But it’s the same exact thing as a pick that would spit out gold coins at your feet. The only thing that is different is a persons perception of what is worthwhile.
Which is a logical fallacy. This is not subjective.

I was using the absurdity of your Hyperbole to show sarcasm (which at 4AM in the morning, seemed a lot funnier to me. :P) Truth of the matter is, just about all ore nodes gives you gold. Just take whatever you mine and go sell it. Look! Gold!

Joking and sarcasm aside, you continue to ignore the fact that the materials gained by this can be, and will continue to be obtainable for those that have the time and put the effort in.
With this in mind, lets look over this, shall we?

Assuming a worst case scenario, the material in question, Sprockets, will no longer drop in the game from enemies (this is an unfounded assumption at the moment, but lets just roll with that for now…)

That means there will be three ways to obtain them…
- A Pick you can buy from the Gem store that gives a chance of you getting some…
- A node specifically devoted to them in your Home Instance…
- Buying them from other players via the Trading Post…

Two out of three methods by which to gain these materials does not require you spending any real money at all.
If P2W means that you can only get something in a game via spending real money (as it has been stated) then your argument falls short. Because…
SPROCKETS CAN STILL BE OBTAINED IN GAME
Not P2W.

killcannon.2576:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

Not P2W.
Not by a long shot. And here’s why…
For those us us that have completed the meta for this LS, we have our own personal node to get Sprockets. Much like the Quartz Node, this will give us access to something you can’t get anywhere else in game.
But, where does that leave those of us who do not, or are unable to finish the meta?
kitten out of luck, that’s what. Unless they have a generous friend that lets them into their Home Instance to use their node…
This pick gives people another option for getting this crafting material, and puts less pressure on those who have a hard time with the meta.
On top of that, Sprockets can be bought and sold on the TP. This Pick in no way shape or form makes those without access to it unable to get Sprockets. If it did… If this Pick was the only way to get Sprockets, then I’d be up in arms over this like everyone else.

Pay2Win?
People are /far/ to quick to want to slap that label on this game

So then where is the goal post? If they sell a pick that gives a chance for ori at each node? Azurite Orbs? Gives gold coins? After all, these are all available in game and can be had by anyone.

Yes, the sprockets are a small thing. So let’s just move the goal post a little further…then a little further…then a little more.

It’s up to the player base to let the devs know whether or not they are ok with what’s on offer. For some players, just being able to buy gold is p2w, even if there was a good reason behind it (although this has not stopped gold sellers or bots at all in game, so that’s a failed experiment to an extent. Anet just gets a cut of those profits now). Players have the obligation to voice their opinions on either side of this issue.

In truth, it’s a p2w mechanic, just like many other p2w mechanics in game already. This one is just way to obvious to let go.

Where that ‘goal post’ is, is subjective, and impossible to say without saying ‘My opinion means more then yours.’ (There is enough of that on these forums already…) The examples you used to try and make that point are hyperbole (some more extreme then others… Gold Coins from an ore node… I’d walk away from this game at that point, and I really enjoy playing it.)
Now, while I do understand what you are trying to say, it’s a slippery slope argument that I have yet to see justified in this game… And more often then not, such arguments assume that Anet and those running the show there are oblivious to where the line is when it comes to becoming nothing more then a true Pay2Win game as opposed to simply ‘casual friendly’. There is a difference that people are all too quick to try and blur here…

To the topic of the Sprockets themselves…
So, instead of this Pick which gives a chance at giving players a single type of crafting material, you would rather those that can’t get the meta done have no way of gaining Sprockets outside of buying them from other players, once this LS is complete?

Again. Nothing gives a player with this item an advantage over anyone else. The only thing this does is it helps (slightly) to give players another way to get Sprockets (along with the bonus of having a pick that they can use indefinitely, which is nothing new in this game.) Something which players that have completed the meta already get via the node in the Home Instance without a single Gem spent.

TL;DR: If the Pick allowed you, the player to get things that were otherwise impossible to get in the game (aka, if Sprockets were un-tradable, no Sprocket node in the home instance, they are gone after the LS is done…) the yes, I’ll concede a possible P2W.
As it is, it does not.

Not P2W.
Not by a long shot. And here’s why…
For those us us that have completed the meta for this LS, we have our own personal node to get Sprockets. Much like the Quartz Node, this will give us access to something you can’t get anywhere else in game.
But, where does that leave those of us who do not, or are unable to finish the meta?
kitten out of luck, that’s what. Unless they have a generous friend that lets them into their Home Instance to use their node…
This pick gives people another option for getting this crafting material, and puts less pressure on those who have a hard time with the meta.
On top of that, Sprockets can be bought and sold on the TP. This Pick in no way shape or form makes those without access to it unable to get Sprockets. If it did… If this Pick was the only way to get Sprockets, then I’d be up in arms over this like everyone else.

Pay2Win?
People are /far/ to quick to want to slap that label on this game

Delvoire.8930:

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Wv3 players want Wv3 on their maps. I think that concept is easy enough to be understood.
Scarlet and LS sound horribly PvE to me, and PvE crowd does not necessarily mix well with Wv3 PvPers.

PvEers will feel ganked and PvPers will feel like the update is not focused on them, even though they waited forever for it to happen. Sounds about right to make everyone unhappy. Good…

Maybe the real problem is in the players themselves. Perhaps they shouldn’t pigeon hole themselves into one play style and just enjoy the game from every aspect. It’s a crazy thought… but it’s one I personally explore myself. It’s lead to thousands of hours of game play fun.

Crazy thought indeed!
Careful with such words… There are people who are quick to cry ‘Heresy!’ about such radical thoughts!

And the OP hits the nail right on the head.
Anet can do nothing to please some people.
The unfortunate reality seems to be that some people just like to be mad on the internet and make sure as many people as possible know it.

Rengaru.4730:

Here is a question:

• Imagine two players.

• Player A plays perfect. He dodges the Marionette every single time, but gets his achievement denied by another platform screwing up.

• Player B is bad. He doesn’t know how to dodge and thus gets killed by the champion. However he lucks out and dies without the Marionette hitting him and the other players finish the encounter. Thus he gets the achievement.

• Who earned the achievement?

By the logic of the internet… The one who complains and screams the loudest and longest.

Any excuse to be raging mad on the forums and try to bash Anet and their game…
Yep…

Some sort of flash back system would be nice, though balancing such a thing would be needed.
Perhaps, once a full team has accepted one of these ‘Flashback’ mission, they would have to travel to instanced areas to do the missions. (Similar to the Taskforce/Strikeforce system they had in City of Heroes/Villains.)
Certain events wouldn’t be able to be done through this Flashback system though. The Bazaar of the Four Winds, Wintersday and Halloween, mainly… Because those are annual events… Or the Super Adventure Box… Because that seems to be its own separate thing…
Lastly, I’m not sure how they would handle the rewards for doing this. I don’t believe they should hand out the same rewards that they gave out the first time. Perhaps a new set of ‘Flashback Achievements’ could be added.
Dunno… It’s just a thought.

Because of the people that frequent it.
Yeah, yeah, it’s been said a lot here already, but it’s still true.
Around a decades worth of experience with the ‘leet PvP’ crowd on multiple games has made me overly jaded and unsympathetic to a degree. Even I’ll admit that. But having players act like little, hormonal-raging manboys and waving their little kittens in my face about how great they are is not what I want to deal with.
Yes, I also know that not everyone is like that. and I also know that there are players like that in PvE.
But the old saying is true… It doesn’t take a lot of bad apples to spoil the whole bunch. And in PvE, I can ignore the angry little trolls. Hard to do that in PvP when they are gunning for me just to prove how pro they are or some other such nonsense…
The entire thing has just gotten old…
I lose a fight, I get a lot of insults thrown at me and their little kittens waved in my face….
I win a fight, I get a lot of insults thrown at me and get threatened…

So, let me ask this… Why would I want to have to deal with that? If PvE was like this, I wouldn’t be playing that either, no matter how great the rewards were.

nexxe.7081:

Scarlet is the scapegoat of the community right now. She’s just an easy target for people that hate the living story, or the game in general.

This basically…

What can I say here?
You folks at Anet have done an amazing job.
The game isn’t perfect. It has its flaws.
There are some parts of it I pause and wonder ‘Why did they do it that way?’
But no game I have ever played, on any platform or medium, has been perfect.
Over a year into it, and I’m still playing. I’m still enjoying it. And I’m looking forward to what the new year has in store for us.
Keep rockin’ in Tyria!

Kiayin.3427:

Which is why I found Zhaitan’s death extremely disappointing.

One of the reasons I think that Anet should go back and redo Arah Story and some parts of the Personal Story as well.

But on the topic at hand…
As it has been said, the Elder Dragons are considered primordial forces of nature, on a level of power that mortals might have a hard time comprehending. They aren’t just ‘flying lizards’ in this case.
The human gods are also exceedingly powerful, but, they are not the end all, be all of things either. They are powerful enough to have brought humans to Tyria, and help shape their society and even give them the gift of magic. But they didn’t create the world and all in it either.

Think of it like this… Thor from the Marvel comics. He is the Asgardian god of thunder and has a level of strength and power that humans could never hope to achieve.
Despite that, the Hulk (who I believe is considered very much mortal) can and has fought Thor numerous times in the past. And I believe that Thor has lost a few of those fights…

Point is, I think the Six Human Gods have more in common with Thor and the Asgardians, rather then being considered the all powerful creator of all things.

Curby.4897:

Wow really people lol. I make a point about me and this game and you all act like stuck up kitten holes. I asked a legit question. So bite me.

It’s less that you asked a ‘legit question’ and more the way you put it.
Nobody is saying you should drop your life, your savings or anything else for this game or any other.
The fact that you used hyperbole like that to suggest that such a thing would be at all necessary, opened the door for the following comments, regardless if they were warranted or not.

(Now, for some amusement, what voice do you suppose would fit with my above statement? I honestly hear it in the voice of Tuvok from Star Trek: Voyager.
Anyone else with something different?)

@Gallows I have to tell you that it’s a nice refreshing change to see someone /not/ rage-whining here in the forums.
Far too much of that, in my opinion.
Not that I think people shouldn’t give their opinions. But… well, look at signature below and you’ll see my thoughts on opinions…

Also, I’m going to quote something from about 6 months ago that I believe still very much applies…

Karizee.8076:

You just need to remember it only takes about 30 people to make a mess of a forums and that there is certain vested parties that are less than thrilled with the success of this game.

When you see someone with 30+ pages of posting history about being disappointed for instance, writing books and reams of slander – dedicating their waking lives to making derogatory remarks about the game, it’s clear to see there is a different agenda than customer satisfaction being served here

Cheers!

angelpaladin.7921:

ronpierce.2760:

angelpaladin.7921:

Dante.1508:

A group who paid money on an item (Virtual or otherwise) should always out weigh a group that feels their prestige was ruined, no matter what the sizes of the groups are..

Honestly the Armor should stay in game and the prestige complainers should take a good long look at themselves, its a game you play for fun.

Money is real no matter what it buys, these people paid for a service that was systematically taken from them.

I personally feel they should take it to court, these companies cannot keep getting away with these illegal practices..immoral too.

The fact people continue to play after this really is a worry to me.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-content-terms-of-use/

even if u wanted to take this to court u have to jump thought hoops its 10 dollars people need to seriously just get over it and move on.

I am so tired of seeing it compared to everything under the sun here’s a reality check for you guys

It was 10 dollar item <— Reality
It was a Virtual item that does not exist <— Reality
In 10 year’s when this game is dead and gone (servers shut down) all your hard work and progress will be gone <—- Reality.

If the worse thing in your entire life that happens is you wasted 10 dollars on some virtual non existent armor. Then may we all be blessed with such fortune and good luck.

Cultural armor:
It’s a120 in-game currency set <— Reality
It is a Virtual item set that does not exist <— Reality
In 10 year’s when this game is dead and gone (servers shut down) all your hard work and progress will be gone <—- Reality.
Your complaining over something that you could have easily applied to yourself doesn’t ruin it for ANet, it ruins it for the honest players who saw something and bought something that made them happy. <— Reality

at this point regardless of what decision they would have made I felt the same way. They made there decision good or bad so why people keep harping on it like there going to change there minds I dont understand

Because people like to complain… /shrug
The decision has been made. Nothing is going to change that now.

I’ll be totally honest here…
I simply don’t like fighting something I can’t see.
Thieves in this game exemplify the ‘Hit you, vanish, hit you, vanish, har har, hit you vanish’ kind of game play that is just really annoying as kitten.
And if I wanted to deal with annoying brats, I’d just stay at work…
It’s all too easily a Troll class. And all trolls can, quite frankly, die horribly and make the world a slightly nicer place.
:p

Dahkeus.8243:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

It’s supposed to be a long term goal. Since there is no content in the game that requires ascended gear just take your time and have fun making it. You will not be alone.

Sure the top 5% of players will probably be able to make it right off the bat, but there is no need to do it that fast.

While you’re working on that long term goal, those top players will be smashing face in WvW.

Good for them. I’m sure all the little ego-stroking they’ll be doing because of that will be hilarious to listen to as well.
Oh wait, they do that already! Business as usual…

Star Ace.5207:

Amon.5042:

I’m sorry that this will affect those who have already purchased that aberration, but there are limits that shouldn’t be crossed.

No line was ever crossed, it was an ego thing from the beginning, and people feeling “unfairly” treated by having to pay more for a seemingly “identical” item, which it wasn’t (flames effects ruin the armor for many character concepts, doesn’t enhance it-we could argue that the original T3 IS better, and thus warranted the price while still being only available to humans.)

The line that should have not been crossed is that of selling something else to a customer who agreed to purchase one thing and one thing only: the bait and switch, that’s the line that shouldn’t have been crossed.

Your “I am sorry that… but…” means nothing if you cannot see anything wrong in the latter action, while finding fault with the first-you are not sorry at all. Some players weren’t even aware it was a reskin of T3, so they didn’t intend to get T3 for less and “better”, as many believe. A perceived problem is no worse than a true one.

I AM sorry for them, because even if it doesn’t affect me at all I find it to be a rash solution over public uproar-unless they receive their old and preferred skins back (unless they prefer the new one, of course) with no investment on their part, a gem refund only solution won’t cut it (remember, even free transmutation splitters won’t work in many cases.)

Further, THESE affected gem buyers will probably never buy anything back if they are offered a gem refund without restoring their favorite skins back-who knows, some may stop playing altogether just to please some players who felt slighted, but would probably have kept playing anyway. Why? Because some of those gem buyers may have spent real-life money to buy these gems just for the previewed, legally bought skin, and many wouldn’t have transmuted their skins (some even their old cultural T3) if the look was not to their liking.

It is a mess, but they would have avoided it by just ignoring the rage, and now can only be fixed by restoring each account on a case by case scenario, which will be a nightmare for them, most probably (and the reason they would probably prefer to just refund gems, rather than restoring skins, as they must to be really fair.)

I mean no personal offense, and see how the initial action “crosses the line” for you (even if I honestly feel it was nothing to be mad about), but it is the solution that I find so be so incomplete and rash.

As for me, I wouldn’t have OKed their decision to use a cultural skin myself in the beginning for that reskin. Reskins are OK, though, not “lazy”-if people love flames, let them burn all they want. It was indeed a quick cash grab, but it was not “evil” or “greedy” but just giving particle effects-loving fans more, and any and all armors, reskins or originals, are a bonus, not something we must take for granted. But I really didn’t see as wise to use culturals as part of ANY reskin in the game (if the culturals would have been freely available to any other race from the beginning, much like the cultural weapons are, then it would have been OK.)

However, from my personal opinion above to the uproar there was-which was rather ludicrous and “my ego was hurt”-based-there’s a big gap. Basically envying other people for getting the “same” armor for less, even though it’s a whole different look and aesthetic.

Imagine all the good income that was to be made of this, so anyone who says that ANet is “greedy” and “doesn’t listen” to players is just ranting. They often listen more than I wished (Ascended, “nerf this or that!”, and now this), and seem to make decisions that will rob them from some additional income for the sakes of “pleasing everybody”, which is a rather impossible situation.

Great game, wish they just would have bigger meetings with more opinions from different type of people when making decisions.

This basically sums up my whole opinion on this entire debatical as well…

The music.
I personally like a great deal of things about our game here, and the list of things I like about it is pretty long.
But the music and the ambient sounds you can hear in game is one of those things that doesn’t get mentioned a lot.

Facepunch.5710:

Takato.4976:

Still waiting on a response as to why medium/heavy aren’t getting a re-work ?
This is just lazy.

I’m seeing this type of comment from a few people. Do you really not understand why ANet is responding to the outcry against the light but not the others?

Sure we understand. Everyone at this point should understand.
Some people were angry that their precious look was no longer all that special despite the obvious differences and whined rather loudly about it.
(I have my theories about just how many people that really was, since it takes a lot less people to cause an uproar then people might want to believe… But even if anyone had irrefutable numbers, certain people would be quick to deny it…)
Also the possibility of there being glitching problems with said armor, leaving characters running around with /nothing/ on for a period of time.

Regardless of all that though, the end result is clear. Anet has made their choice to pull the armor. That particular ship has sailed.
Now we can just anticipate which armor skin they might use as a replacement.

islarose.7356:

My bets:
Acolyte http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Acolyte_armor_human_female_front.jpg
Conjurer http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Conjurer_armor_norn_female_front.jpg
Acolyte (Exotic) http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Named_armor_light_human_female_front.jpg
Apprentice http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Apprentice_armor_(WvW)_human_female_front.jpg
Exalted http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Exalted_armor_human_female_front.jpg

None of which will live up to the original flamekissed, unfortunately. I really hope they do something from scratch, with a similar amount of coverage (or lack thereof). This is doubtful, as they’ll likely use a reskin due to time constraints and the loss of profits the removal of this piece has resulted in.

I am personally hoping they use the Feathered armor with a variation of the headpiece, since it has a similar elegance to the original Flamekissed skin (My opinion. Take it or leave it…)
Feathered http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/b4/Feathered_armor_human_female_front.jpg

Spawne.3128:

It’s getting close, at the rate the game is losing players I dont doubt that server merges will happen within Q1 2014 unless major changes are made.

I’m curious.
Where are the numbers stating how quickly this game is losing players?
I hear this a lot but I have yet to see any evidence outside of people just saying so…
Seriously, I’d like to know so I can look for myself…

An interesting idea. Definitely a +1 from me…
How would they implement it though? They might have to add another ‘slot’ for them on each piece of armor. (Kinda like how each piece has a certain number of slots for different colors.)
I don’t know how that would work on the programming end of things, but if they could do that, I’d put money in the Gem Store for it.

MisterEction.9382:

JustTrogdor.7892:

I only started playing GW2 in April so I probably missed a lot of previous drama, but this situation seems to have caused the biggest divide between players I have seen in a very long time of playing MMOs. Granted I ignored a lot of forums from previous MMOs I played. I wish I had ignored this forum too. I came here for a players helping players post and months later I seem stuck.

This is undoubtedly the worst I’ve seen and I’ve been here since launch, though I don’t live on the forums. The introduction of ascended gear didn’t generate this much negative emotion.

This is the first MMO I’ve ever played for more than a month or so. Have you ever been in another MMO where a company took away an item that one group of players bought at the request of another group of players like this? I’ve never experienced anything like this in my life.

The truly unfortunate thing about all this is the precedence it has created…

Some people don’t like something? Scream and whine loud enough (with certain catch-phrases thrown into it like how ‘devalued’ something has become) and Anet will respond…
It was already fairly standard practice to drown out anything positive said here on the forums… But now?
‘Toxic’ doesn’t even begin to describe things here…

We all /really/ should think about this for a moment and put it in perspective…
All this started because some people were unhappy that a bunch of digital pixels had the same silhouette as another set of digital pixels, and thus they didn’t feel ‘special’ anymore…

Everyone can say what they like, candy-coat it however you want… But in the end, that’s what it comes down to…

I dunno… Seems to me the cool thing to do on the internet these days is have an opinion and be righteously indignant over it, and then make sure anyone else that has a different opinion then yours suffers as much as possible…

A sad state of affairs, truly…

I’d be in full support of something like this. As long as it’s not any armor sets from HoW, otherwise you will get people complaining about how that would ‘devalue’ their achievements in GW1.

If they make an original set, then that would not be in line with the medium and heavy armor skins that are still there.
In my opinion, he winged set would make a good substitute.

Edit: After looking at all the craftable light armors, I actually think the Feathered set would actually be a better substitute, since it was a little closer to what the Flamekissed armor silhouette was.

Well, Zaoda… That’s the thing. We don’t know.
I’m willing to bet that they don’t know yet either, and are looking at possible solutions to the problem.
Also, it’s Thanksgiving. If Anet Customer Service is here in the United States, (I honestly don’t know if it is or not) it is very well possible that they are at home for the holiday and things are running with a minimal, skeleton crew.
In this case, for this particular question, I’d say patience is in order. We’ll find out soon enough.

Yunielesca.2850:

haviz.1340:

What unfairness? You have not lost anything.

So let’s do it for the legendaries! The people having legendaries wouldn’t lose anything right?

Hyperbole. Like most of the arguments in use here…

Moka.9641:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

This entire thread is proof positive that people want to be raging mad about anything and everything…
Must be the cool thing to be on the internet these days…

It’s an armor skin. One that if you don’t like you don’t have to buy. It doesn’t magically devalue the original at all.
Sure, anyone on any race can wear it (as long as they are light armor) so long as you don’t mind looking like a walking torch.
If a fire motif isn’t your thing though, and you want that armor, then guess what? You still have to be a female human light armor wearer and have the gold to spend.

The differences are obvious and nobody is going to mistake someone who bought their t3 human cultural light armor with someone who bought the skin off of the gem store.

Let’s take this to the extreme. Would it be totally okay if Anet decided to put a version of Twilight with a fiery hilt and put it in the gemstone for 1000gems? Because if I thought that the fiery hilt is silly, by your reasoning, even though they look similar, if I don’t like it and prefer the original twilight, I should shell out 3000g on the TP.

The point is that it undermines the hardwork of people have put into getting these armor (And I think it was even harder back at launch). Some people will just shrug it off, but a lot of here cares about that.

Using your example (which doesn’t really fit, and I’ll explain why in a moment) no of course that wouldn’t be okay. Because as someone else pointed out, that would be P2W. They would be selling an actual weapon with stats and everything.

This does not do that (and is why your example does not work.) This is not true armor with stats, it’s just a skin. One that you can put on anything. If they sold this in the gem store with Exotic level stats and attributes, then I would be as much up in arms as anyone else here, because then the game just became P2W.

Again, this devalues nothing. The /only/ thing the Flamekissed armor skins have over the t3 cultural armor is that anyone can wear it. And only then, after they put it on a real set of armor.
No one can pretend they got a real set of t3 cultural armor because of the differences are plainly obvious.

This entire thread is proof positive that people want to be raging mad about anything and everything…
Must be the cool thing to be on the internet these days…

It’s an armor skin. One that if you don’t like you don’t have to buy. It doesn’t magically devalue the original at all.
Sure, anyone on any race can wear it (as long as they are light armor) so long as you don’t mind looking like a walking torch.
If a fire motif isn’t your thing though, and you want that armor, then guess what? You still have to be a female human light armor wearer and have the gold to spend.

The differences are obvious and nobody is going to mistake someone who bought their t3 human cultural light armor with someone who bought the skin off of the gem store.

Can I just +1 this entire thread?
Please?

Well put, OP.
Careful though… Comparing Scarlet to the Joker seems to offend some DC comic fans…
And nobody here likes to offend people be offended…
But more seriously…

Shriketalon.1937:

I think you misunderstand two things about the complaints.

1) The issues with Scarlet often revolve around her obscene levels of power and control over other races.

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Actually, the part where she has ‘obscene levels of power and control over other races’ is not true.
She’d probably like you to think that (if she actually cared about what you thought…) but her control of the other races does not seem as absolute as all her detractors like to make it seem.
During the Flame and Frost story, many clues were dropped that the alliance between the Dredge and the Flame Legion was rather strained. There was one report from an Ash Legion spy of a Flame Legion Shaman that was executed for refusing to imbue the Dredge with flame magic (or something along those lines.) And at the end of the FnF story, the Dredge and Flame Legion captives were blaming each other for their failure.
As for why the two groups could ever work together?
Well let’s see…
Both groups have common enemies. Both groups have suffered some rather harsh defeats at the hands of those enemies. The Dredge are in the middle of a Civil War, while the Flame Legion is in a crisis with the loss of its Imperator, Baelfire.
Put separate, disparate groups in such crisis, and they will do things that they normally wouldn’t.

Then you have the Krait and the Nightmare Court.
It’s been confirmed that the Toxic alliance does not include /all/ the Krait and Nightmare Court, but rather splinter groups from each. This would indicate that those that are part of the Toxic Alliance have grown disillusioned and/or frustrated towards their parent groups. And those kind of disillusioned splinter groups are very often easier to manipulate, especially if you have something to offer them…

Now why would such groups follow someone like Scarlet?
Simple. Scarlet offered them something they simply couldn’t refuse.
For the Dredge and the Flame Legion, it was power. The power to combat and strike back at the enemies that had dealt them some serious blows and a chance to climb out of their respective crises.
For the Krait, it was their obelisks and the promise of the return of their Prophets. This not only played on the disillusion of a splinter group, but also on their religious sensibilities as well.
For the Nightmare Court… well this one would have been easy for Scarlet to bend to her will, really. There is already a splinter group in Mount Maelstrom that didn’t follow Faolain, so it’s not difficult to see others like them following someone else…
Such instabilities and crises can very often be (and usually are) exploited by those who are both intelligent enough to see it and know how to take advantage of it, and charismatic enough to know what to offer.
This does not require ’obscene levels of power and control’. Just an ‘Adolf Hitler’ level of charisma, some decent intelligence and the knowledge of some secrets that most mortals don’t know. The kind of secrets one could probably see when they gaze upon all of creation… Much like Scarlet supposedly did in Omadd’s experimental module…

Shriketalon.1937:

Speaking of pacing…

2) It’s not that Scarlet has no plan. It is that the story has failed to demonstrated one.

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You are forgetting or ignoring the simple fact that over the past 11 months (not all of which have been devoted to her specifically no less) Scarlet has had only a relatively small amount of screen time.
Like it or not, this is an MMO, not a book or a TV series. The limitations of writing for such a medium is very much different.

Shriketalon.1937:

If you like Scarlet, you are entitled to that opinion. In turn, those who have legitimate complaints are well entitled to their opinions on the matter.

‘Legitimate’ is a relative term.
I have my opinion. You have yours.
I’d love it if I could share my opinions without someone constantly trying to forcefully hammer theirs over my head and me constantly feeling like I need to defend my myself for simply playing a game I enjoy…

TL;DR? There are plenty of reasons Scarlet isn’t as ‘OMG BAD CHARACTER!!!’ as people would make her out to be, and there are possible reasons why things happen in the game the way they do.
But, people will have their ‘opinions’ and nothing I say will ever change that.

BonzaiPlatypus.7091:

But I love this game!

Yeah it’s not perfect. It has it’s bugs/flaws. It has plenty of content that needs to be expanded upon. There are things that could be better balanced and the living story could use some refinement.

Whatever.

No game is perfect and I still have a lot of fun playing. I love the design of the game. I love the beautiful graphics. I love the community on my server. I love my guild. Most importantly I appreciate the hard work that Anet has put into the game and I appreciate the fact that they have delved into many new MMO concepts, even if some of them may have not worked out well.

Anyone else not feel the incessant need to complain?

Nothing really more I can add to this.
The OP has nailed it.
I’m sad I can only hit the +1 button once.

Frankly, I am not against constructive criticism. Quite the opposite. Constructive criticism is a good thing. Necessary, even, since there really is no such thing as a -perfect- game, be it an MMO, console or… hell, even a board game… Guild Wars 2 is no exception to this and, as such, feedback should be encouraged…

No, what distresses me more then anything else when I look over these forums is the aggressive, overly hostile tone that pervades so many of them.
Is it completely impossible to state ones opinion, say your peace and /not/ throw a thinly veiled jab, insult or a condescending comment into it?
It’s that internet anonymity thing, I guess…