can you riassume the meaning of the thread pls? i don’t understand.
not joking or sarcasm.
I rarely ever have battles where one class is used far more than others. There’s usually 2 or 3 of one class. As stated, Guardian is the class I see the least. Instead of nerfing classes seen as strong, we should be buffing classes seen as weak. I’d rather not have this game have a ridiculously low power bar. It’s more fun if the classes are all strong rather than all weak.
do you play tournaments or u base your experience on 8v8?
because guardian is a must have in tourney and when i face 2 in opponent team-so common these days- it is painfull.
2guardian 2 mesmer and the game is done.
i didnt ask your curriculum about gaming. it is a shortcut, not player skillness. and it is not good because some mechanical stuff in the game assume you need to improve your aim not let the game do it for you. i suggested you 2 things you are avoiding:
1_ this is not “every other mmo”, so it means you have to learn to adapt at his new mechanic
2_ you can use you mouse to aim the real mesmer/thief out the shadows/necro mm/ranger spirit. it require “skill” and don’t break mechanics in game.
and escluding some good games, others were full of bugs in the first months of the game. i am worried about your stay on those forums.
so you’re not interested in the game but are interested to let us know you are not interested in the game.
ok. bai
because ele is one of the most difficult class to master. so assuming equally experienced players against , the one with ele will need more attention and “stress” to win against other classes. if you master ele you are strong because you have 20 skills against 5. but it need practice and time…
This thread is about targeting and working with the same mechanics placed in every MMO please keep the conversation constructive with valid arguement’s for why this mechanic shouldn’t been placed in the game if you oppose it.
I’ve given many valid reasons for why this mechanic would allow for players to react with timing and abilities. The very essence of what makes up for pvp skill.
maybe repeating you it is not “every mmorpg” could help you to understand why we repeat learn to adapt and play, instead of whining on forum. it is not wow, if you liked its options, go play wow.
try to click with left mouse button on your target when there is confusion and you will see how easier than a shortcut it is.
when i asked suggestions i was thinking about khilo trabuchet where mesmers shine.
it is not about my lack of experience, it is about my frustration about countering that class in that small area. if mesmer is tanky, ok maybe i can focus on phantasms and maybe i will find the real one. but if shatterer, well every illusion i kill makes me suicide. GS or staff they both has great utility to make me waste time.
i am frustrated because a good mesmer can 1v2 for more than 40 secs, and even win if opponents are soft. as thief , mesmer is the only class i suffer, rest is just adapting. and no, i cannot spam all the time clusterbomb because: a) phantasm are traited with more hp meaning they resist about 3 clusterbomb b) the time i spend killing them mesmer has stunned+blurred+shattered or moa’ed or kicked me.
probably in betas we were all trying only 8v8 and yelled for balancing mesmer (he was up) in 8v8, while the game is 5v5.
try to kill a 1guardian 3 mesmer 1 dps in tourney and watch your team scream and die.
that’s why i try to improve learning from mesmer’s weakneses (and really a good mesmer has none)
omg Streaks wrote everything i wanted to write.
tab-targeting..omg i stopped using that also in pve 5 years ago.
funfact:
necros fear lasts 1s, 1.5s if skilled. if a thief steals it from a necro its lasts 3s.
i play guardian, normally a necro should likely kill me but somehow they are not really a threat to me. somethings wrong with necros.
well said:
funfact 2:
necro’s fear is instant
thief fear cast 3 secs, with exagerate casting movement, so it is easy to interrupt.
cyrealkylla why do you open different threads with all the same rant?
Really a light armor class like the elementalist would have to spec deep or lose mad dps to get that armor rating and they don’t get 50% of their condition or burst dmg. so what are you smoking?
SBAM!!! thief is medium armor.
lack of experience detected. i can fly away now.
nice calling everyone clueless because you played 15 years of MMO. because in these 15 years you never adapted at the game? so impressive.
i suggest you to improve your experience in the game instead of posting this kind of BS. at least try to read the profession section….
i play thief since release, everyone say it is OP, so i already am playing an OP class. and i think warrior is not so OP. there are few times it can hit me with HB and half of them is my fault that shadowstep in the leap. my thief has 2100 armor if equipped enough. and 2100 armor is nothing.
why so much hate for necros? they are the best supporter/control character in the game. maybe their skill cap is higher than other classes because they don’t put all thier ability in the damage output. but necro is a great class if well used
- a random thief
wow again this kind of posts…why don’t you start playing warrior in tourney instead of whining? hb is easy to dodge, a dps warrior is easy to kill. BLIND help.
So when a warrior throw’s bolo’s at me and Rush’s me and my stun-breaker is down I can do what…Die?
well so he used 2 skills to let him hit you with HB, he looked for an opportunity and he found. you stun breaker is down= he found the only spot to make his skill hit you.
do you really understand your own words or just write mindlessly?
This one dimensional 'capture the point and hold it' system doesn't work
in PvP
Posted by: Shukran.4851
25 is cap. if you said 4 guardian cycled immobilize on you, maybe it could be true, but 27 stacks of might and you died fast because of this seems to mean lack of experience.
yesterday we met 4 guardian 1 war too. we did split them and gg.victory was ours. experience.
oh and if they focused instantly dpses, it was a good strategy of them, not some kind of magic.
wow, you should copy this thread in the pvp section and see how all this nice stuff will be erased by offensive languages
To be honest the best way for you to learn is to play a Mesmer yourself, find some Theives to fight and see how (and if) you usually beat thieves. Then go back to your Thief with that new knowledge to your advantage and use it against Mesmer opponents.
thanks, it is a good start. maybe you can help me answering to: when u face a thief what is about him that worry you much?
Hi there, depending on my build and cd’s I have, the opening burst is the worst, don’t use condition damage as null field removes them all, what I would suggest is to feint an open up from stealth just stun them but don’t blow all your cd,s just to panicky the Mesmer into using cd,s then restealth they may pop decoy stealth if so great that’s a cd used, then hit them again with your main burst, they may try to Mao morph watch for the long animation and evade like crazy, if he has a sword (one hander) watch out for the sword blur skill they evade everything and can deal quite a bit of dps. But my best advice is to pick on one that is preoccupied, we can get over stretched sometimes, if you see a Mesmer evade rolling around (usually on the outskirts of a control point) that’s the one you want, his illusions will be focused on something else then you can take him down very easily, that is usually when I get gibbed, when I am focused on someone else and then boom dead and the death screen reads 14k pistol whip.
Hope it helps, sorry if it doesnt.
ok i can try using 2 stealths in utility., but s/p thief dont go so easy in hide o.w
they could do like in gw1: skill have an effect in pvp another in pve.
Shukran, I hate getting rapid shot by a ranger when I go into stealth.. because he will still hit me and see where I go for the entire duration of rapid shot.
That’s silly.
and i agree
I dunno about your condition removal comments.. I haven’t played every class extensively, but as a thief/elementalist/guardian, I’ve been able to remove conditions quite easily, repeatedly. Especially on the Thief.. So many condition removals.
thief:
infiltrator’s strike
shadowstep
healing
roll for initiative
??then??
half of them are stunbreak.Shukran, I use the trait that removes a condition every 3 secs in stealth. Shadow refuge will remove all my conditions, blinding powder will remove one, dagger 5 will remove 1, etc. I use Sword/Dagger, my normal ‘combo’ will start off with a 2 to shadowstep to enemy, then a 5 to get into stealth. if at anypoint I get stunned I’ll 2 back.. my stealth will have removed 1 condition, the shadowstep return from 2 will have removed 1.
very interesting..
what is your role in team then?
i never found a good use of s/d build so im very interested .
I dunno about your condition removal comments.. I haven’t played every class extensively, but as a thief/elementalist/guardian, I’ve been able to remove conditions quite easily, repeatedly. Especially on the Thief.. So many condition removals.
thief:
infiltrator’s strike
shadowstep
healing
roll for initiative
??then??
half of them are stunbreak.
it is funny meanwhile i clusterbomb removing 1/3illusion hp per clusterbomb used mesmer is alive, still capping, still doing whatver he wants and i am dieing to some random illusion attack.
it is more funny the fact i wasn’t crying but asking to some mature players to help me. maybe too much responsibility for someone who could just avoid the thread or the question. hf
i don’ t like the fact that channeling skills continue hitting you while in stealth.
sometimes if you are bleeding i can see cloacked opponents, i see something like an aura of the body, so it is visible.
i preferred the first 6months of gw1 assa/monk when he could shadowstep all the map. after several nerfs i think it was useless and after those nerfs i prefer thief gw2
i think he means blurred frenzy
duukar stop playing 8v8.
really, do you have enough of pvp in gw2? stop playing 8v8
start playing 5v5. you will see that the fun will grow.
People who are saying “It’s ok, everything is balanced” just have no clue of what balance really is.
it is the same as the people who are saying"omg this game is all imbalanced, worst pvp ever", because they have no clue of what pvp really is.
probably because falling you take the damage needed to exaust the red life you have while downed. so you insta-die.
27k : 9hits= 3k damage.
backstab still better
I would like to know how to survive on a trabuchet defense/attack, if when i am low hp i die jumping off the trabuchet position.
DOn’t jump off when low HP? Seems obvious answer to me.
yeah, but when u are low hp and want to find an escape there is not so many ways to go ^^
To be honest the best way for you to learn is to play a Mesmer yourself, find some Theives to fight and see how (and if) you usually beat thieves. Then go back to your Thief with that new knowledge to your advantage and use it against Mesmer opponents.
thanks, it is a good start. maybe you can help me answering to: when u face a thief what is about him that worry you much?
Why are you obsessing over stun breaks when you have immobilize?’
why don’t you just answer instead of being obsessed over immobilize?
assuming you can switch weapons, every single skill has his own cd, as i explained, so you can cycle 10 skills. thief can’t. do you want me to spam HS or PW?ok, then?what if i have to use something else during combat and i finish my initiative? i cannot use my skills anymore. it means that if u have a long cd power skill, u use it and then u have another 9 skills available(7 if ii don’t count autoattack). if thief uses a high initiative skill like black powder, CnD, #5 shortbow, we have about half initiative pool used, so we don’t have 7 skills available, but less and probably after another skill used, we will have only autoattack available.
it should be one answer at all the HS, PW haters.Sure, you would be right if the most powerful skills of the Thief doesn’t costs 3-5 initiative, thief doesn’t regen 1 initiative point per one second and an half, there wasn’t skills like Roll for Initiative which recharges 6 initiative points, excluding all the traits the thief has to regain initiative, you can’t trait to have 15 base initiative and the most powerful thief skill (Backstab) costs initiative.
If you also consider that one single pool of initiative is more than enough to burst someone down in a bit more than a second and than vanishing in stealth, you will start to notice the picture of the thief’s opness.I don’t think you have tried another profession seriously.
how come i talked oly about weapon sets differences and you put some utility in the conversation?
and as i wrote, maybe in a bad english , sorry, because it seems to be not read or forgotten, what if i have to use something else during the fight instead of 2,2,2,2,2 or 3,3,3,3,3?maybe i want to blind the warrior i have in front because assuming we both start the combo his HB will kill me in a sec? maybe i have to use twice infiltrator’s because opponent dodged or because i was in a bad position after landing my first infiltrator’s and PW?
how come all these bad manners are so common in this forum? helping other players who are not flaming nor whining is so wrong?sad
Well say somethign intelligent then. Honestly you are a typical complainer who is accusing a class of using every skill he has simultaneously, when there are real descions to be made on traits and skills to bring into PVP. If you want to be taken seriously play a mesmer become more familar with it then post.
Right now you are saying mesmers can do things they most certainly cannot do. Not all at once and not in one build. Why should the devs base their class balance on your erroneous information with an obvious bias and agenda?
maybe you didn’t read all my post. but w.e.
watch these 2 builds:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/en/?fgIQNAW8alwzipHVzoGadJh5D9+MDoHd0CIVQ1lPgbA;T0Ag0CnoqxUjoGbNuak1ssYYxBj9HPMA
http://gw2skills.net/editor/en/?fgIQNAW8alwzaqnVzoGa9ICqHXH49dkU0asWJFz2FC;T0Ag0CnoqxUjoGbNuak1ssY8x5j9HvPA
these are 2 common build used in tourneys. if you look carefully down you can see a great legend about the condition it can put. even if not specced condition damage all those conditions deals damage. if you add that shatter build do also shatter damage…then on the right, you can see utilities: oh god, there are 2 breakstuns in each build, maybe i am stupid. ok. and i am not saying mesmers are OP, i am just asking for help because i can’t win against them. too difficult or just being hater on forums makes you feel great? you can decide to not answer to a post if you think you are not enough good . noone force you to do that.
riassuming, i would love some mesmer could help me teaching or suggesting me how to beat a mesmer with a thief. a deep proof. anyone interested?
i am shocked a mesmer cannot help a simple question. but maybe i asked to a mediocre mesmer , because the problem with mesmer is not only understand which is the real one, but dealing also with illusions. a decent mesmer has 2 break stuns, mirror images, and decoy/blink, i am unluckly specced as dps, meaning i have low armor. i have almost 1 remove conditions while mesmer can use staff and illusion shatters and kills. i am really sad about i asked maybe the wrong person. apologize
Lawl….u list off every skill the mesmer has. Yeah if he loads all those stun breaks on his bar yeah…if he loaded all that on his bar the rest of the mesmer would suck. Its hilarious, you exagerate everything to the absrud and wnt to be taken seriously. Any decent mesmer would not load is bar up with only defensive escapes because he would be nigh useless for killing anything.
I stopped using decoy as I die anyways, still stay rooted or snared. Just invis for a few seconds. And I cant tell you how many classes seem immune to the stun that I have.
2 usually used utility on 3 is the build a mesmer has? impressive.
answering peacefully at a simple, polite question is too difficult you have to insult my intelligent? impressive
maybe if i try to write this question in the mesmer section i will be more lucky to find some good mesmer. right now seems i have met only 8v8 players on the forum.
i agree with decoy, but for a shatter mesmer could be a good breakstun.
a decent mesmer has all the thing he need with the weapons. utility are what the name says: utility. the build of a character is 99% on his weapons. but i think you already known, don’t you?
for the record i played mesmer in betas and in core, where i was one of the most passionated mesmer on the forum trying to make the class strong like others…but seems anet did things too good.
thanks anyway for the help.
i am shocked a mesmer cannot help a simple question. but maybe i asked to a mediocre mesmer , because the problem with mesmer is not only understand which is the real one, but dealing also with illusions. a decent mesmer has 2 break stuns, mirror images, and decoy/blink, i am unluckly specced as dps, meaning i have low armor. i have almost 1 remove conditions while mesmer can use staff and illusion shatters and kills. i am really sad about i asked maybe the wrong person. apologize
8v8 is not balanced, so there is no point to get angry about it.
finishing #1 or #2 means you killed more than others.
to add difficult, i say, tell me how to beat a mesmer, with a thief..
drummingthx
first of all thank, im going to watch this right now, but it is published 31/july/2012 , when mesmer was still weak. i am not asking too much if i ask some mesmer player to tell me how to beat his class with a non-condition thief. i hope someone can answer me.
so, please, explain me how can i beat a mesmer shatter build and a mesmer tanky build? to add difficult, i say, tell me how to beat a mesmer, with a thief..
drumming
thx
i think i need some advices before letting this suggestion go forgotten
so you blame opponents to be smart instead of blaming you and your team because noone did care about some opponents from behind?
so impressive….
op class on the op trabuchet. not so impressive. gj for the farm.
agree on the 8v8 stuff .
it is so fun that i can find about 3-4 similar thread in the first 2-3 forum pages pages. .too lazy eh?
I would like to know how to survive on a trabuchet defense/attack, if when i am low hp i die jumping off the trabuchet position.
So whats the surest sign of a broken/op/unbalanced class???? Anyone....
in PvP
Posted by: Shukran.4851
well let’s say; i hope 8v8 will help in balancing. but i know that 8v8 is not pvp they will use to balance professions.
i would like to everyone, thief has only one initiative pool for 2 set of weapons, while every other class have single cd for every skill. so thief can spam less than every other profession. think about it.
You know that this makes no sense, right?
assuming you can switch weapons, every single skill has his own cd, as i explained, so you can cycle 10 skills. thief can’t. do you want me to spam HS or PW?ok, then?what if i have to use something else during combat and i finish my initiative? i cannot use my skills anymore. it means that if u have a long cd power skill, u use it and then u have another 9 skills available(7 if ii don’t count autoattack). if thief uses a high initiative skill like black powder, CnD, #5 shortbow, we have about half initiative pool used, so we don’t have 7 skills available, but less and probably after another skill used, we will have only autoattack available.
it should be one answer at all the HS, PW haters.
i think there are already a lot of thread with this same question, btw
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