Guild Wars 2

Archaon.6245:

Excalibur.9748:

you mean it can get worse than right now?

Sure…playing pvp since start taught me to never think it can’t get worse…it always can, devs are apparently working much on this..from removing gems from tpvp to giving us skyhammer and so on..

but still you are playing, don’t you?

CachoDm.4639:

ANYBODY KNOWS A GOOD GAME OUT THERE IM TIRED OF THIS BULLCRAP

depend what u are looking for….

KrisHQ.4719:

Shukran.4851:

i dont care about this thread so dont caps lock neither cat me, but why are always the good players the ones who lose?

I think this is the problem with the people still playing GW2.
You have not realized that there are no “good players” in the game. The game is all about bringing the right build and spamming basic rotations, there is so little skill involved that it can be learned easily within a week. So the good players do not lose to bad players, players just lose to players, and that is highly dependent on classes/builds.

my post, as mostly in last 8 months, is sarcastic. it was an answer to op’s “being a good player losing against a bad player”. so

what i still find difficult to understand is why ppl are still playing myst’s pvp when they know that it sucks. ok u spent money on it. do u know in your life how much money will u waste ? u already know what devs think about spvp. there have been a lot of “big patches” and any of them fixed the game. what are u expecting more?
i think that the ones who still play the game and still look at forum, should kitten and play it, because they deserve the suffering knowing how bad things are with this pvp.
enjoy
sorry for bad english

epenis in a dead game.
anyway forum pvp best pvp.

because one stupid thread was not enough.
orange and apples are not the same fruit anyone?

i dont care about this thread so dont caps lock neither cat me, but why are always the good players the ones who lose?

i dont watch neither breaking bad.
have u played gw1 pvp?

Teutos.8620:

I’ll say it, and I’ll get flamed for it again: GW2 > GW1

Guild Wars 2 has a better PvP system and a better balance than Guild Wars!

Ok, name me another mmorpg please

can u please explain me your sentence?
in which way gw2 balance is better, stating that the most balanced and indicator of player skill in gw1 gvg was the build called “balanced” in which there was no other way to win that outplaying opponent and focus dmg in synergic attacks (spikes)?
and no, spike builds were not the “balanced” build.

Baldric.6781:

I will recommend gw2 spvp to everyone I know.
Gw2 spvp is the best esport i’ve ever seen, except maybe League of Legends.
I will never stop talking about gw2 spvp or League of Legends.

You know what’s not slowing down ? Gw2 spvp, haven’t seen anything like it since League of Legends.

:)

u have seen not much if you didnt see sc2 or cs.
… or mtg or street fighters.
esport

thx for deleting also this post

even if i share the laughts, he said best of ALL mmorpgs.
MMORPGS is the subject.
find him another MMORPG with better balance.

MMORPG.

understand?
devil’s advocate has spoken

90 minutes of applause

2 broken rules in one thread.

so much win

Allie Murdock.8152:

The balance in PvE vs PvP will always be different, but there are certain tools that will help make the swap less jarring once they are complete. What I’m talking about is templates. If you played GW, they had templates that you could create and share with friends both in the game and outside of the game.

These templates would save all of your characters stats (armor, weapons, traits, skills) so that you could click a button and everything would swap over. This is something we would like to do in GW2 to help players swap between different areas of the game.

meanwhile you are working on templates, rework also the guardian, make him a monk, put a flag on map and give community the real gvg.

compare gw2 daily viewers on twitch. no need to compare with lol. just with some less valuable game. you will se the spot that gw2 deserve..

Deimos Tel Arin.7391 unreal tournament or quake should be your game. glhf

guys, sorry to bother this funny conversation about how gw1 >>> gw2… but
Azreell.1568 is right. nothing more to argue to him. you expected too much.

i expect now everyone of you accept that truth and quit the game. or installa gw1, or find one of 9000 f2p games that have good pvp for free.

well you should suggest this in the suggestion section.
imho wvwv with custom arenas will be esport before tpvp.

to have one more thread you say…seems good

Diage.6451:

Shukran.4851:

Raine Akrune.8416:

TheKillerAngel.3596:

Why do I say this?

Compare it to League of Legends.

Compare it to StarCraft and StarCraft 2.

Compare it to CounterStrike.

Compare it to Street Fighter.

What’s the difference?

None of them are MMOs…compare complete.

compare to wow, nvm, aion, d&d, dcuo, compare to every f2p mmorpg out there.
none is esport. ow kitten

It’s not that it’s impossible. It just is that no one sees the financial gain in it yet. NCSoft for example doesn’t ever fund pvp games, they only see profit in pve. D&D is a strictly RNG class building style of game and has no room for competition by design and WoW is focused on a gear rating.

None of these characteristics speak to having a competitive game focused ENTIRELY in the MMO genre. One and only one game ever existed, and it was GW1. This game had all the right elements at launch but was slowly deteriorated by a series of poor developmental decisions (Note: they did also make good decisions too, I am not claiming ALL choices were bad, there were just a very large number of them that prevented any inflow of new talent – Also: GW1 pvp was biggest and most competitive prior to E-sports existing, it did have a $100,000 tournament I believe only a couple months after launch).

im a n°1 fan of gw1 and i hate gw2 is not gw1 full HD. just to be clear.

how can a d/p do all those things you said? 2 boons well covered gives thief only a bad new…

Raine Akrune.8416:

TheKillerAngel.3596:

Why do I say this?

Compare it to League of Legends.

Compare it to StarCraft and StarCraft 2.

Compare it to CounterStrike.

Compare it to Street Fighter.

What’s the difference?

None of them are MMOs…compare complete.

compare to wow, nvm, aion, d&d, dcuo, compare to every f2p mmorpg out there.
none is esport. ow kitten

they removed 1 stun break from thief…
omg!!!1!!11!1!!1!!! thief unplayable.

after 4 months finally a patch who seems to be somthing… i am patching and testing it

after 4 months finally a patch who seems to be somthing… i am patching and testing it

league of legends earn money by skins and champions → pvp
starcraft earn money from sponsors because of his 200k+ viewer per language per stream → pvp
counter strike as above → pvp
street fighter as above → pvp

gw2 earn money from pve

now do 1+1

imho it is a fake, because thief fix are too usefull and too good to be real.

edit: reading more i think it is 100% fake

leaked = the friend of a friend of a friend of a distant relative who later died heard something, not sure

it is since november ppl write “new (big) patch/ new hope”… don’t you get tired of throwing so much hope away?

dota2 is a dota1 full HD. strangely, his community appreciated a lot the new version of it, even if it is quite forever in beta. and look. it has esportz!1!1!!!!!111!!!
gw2 is not gw1 full HD and non-fanboys see where we are now.

Ultima.8673:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IL1JqgBd-Eg

more entertaining than tpvp. make moar pl0x

well, in gw1 there was exp in pvp. fact is u had to be lvl 20 (max) to join pvp (afaik), so the exp u earned was just to unlock more skill points to unlock skills (pve characters in pvp). but i think some kind of “skill point exp” would be nice.

summer is coming…..

ones who hadn’t fun already left.

Red Raven.7824:

ryston.7640:

as an arena game, why not just play like, smite? no dodging and less individual customization but more team customization, and the combats a lot easier to follow / more fun.

Because, Smite is made by Hi-Rez. A company that abandons their games once they find a new project to work on. Plus smite looks horrible, looks like it was made in 2008 with a UI that makes you want to throw up.

sounds like a … “beta”…
aw..

oh , you

for a while i though u copy/pasted from the real patch note and i though i did read it wrong and assumed anet was going to do a nice job with this patch….then i read it would be your suggestions..and it made me sad.
you should feel bad .

nice dream btw

RusShiro.9241:

Smite is now in beta, and apparentlly allreadyhas a 100 k tourny on the way. how do yall think this new moba will affect gw 2 pvp?

beware last time i mentioned that game i was banned and post deleted. gl hf i feel you broh.
btw smite in beta >>> gw2 in release (closed beta).

GankSinatra.2653:

Shukran.4851:

when u were a child and your parents asked you if u wanted to play some sports, did u choose by viewer or just by what would u have enojyed most?

I guess in your world people watch things they dont enjoy.

a_ in my world your answer is off topic. gj

b_ when i was a child, i though soccer (EU football) was boring. hence i refused to play it.

when u were a child and your parents asked you if u wanted to play some sports, did u choose by viewer or just by what would u have enojyed most?

KarlaGrey.5903:

Allie Murdock.8152:

Wow, this is excellent feedback! The way you laid out pros/cons, analyzed problems and proposed solutions is incredibly helpful.

Thanks for sharing!

Wow, this kind of feedback has been given a gozillion times already by now! A wild guess is, it’s been flowing in since alpha!

But man, if everything needs to be brought to you on a silver platter (referring to the pros and cons listed in the OP), including things which are not only obvious but rather predictable too (e.g. animation cluttering from various sources leads to difficulties discernign what’s happening on the field – well, no shiat) in order for a thread to gain acknowledgement by Anet, then you really are beyond saving.
Logic isn’t your forte, is it. Nor is making a pvp game.

P.S. On the drama part – drama is only present when there’s actual competition, and it scales with the level of competition. Maybe that’s why there’s virtually no real drama on GW2 pvp, bar for some occasional ego parades.

i agree on all. since alpha we tried to help you, anet, you didn’t listen because “coummunity will accept this ideas”

a game as u would like is already in beta, it is called smite and it has already tournaments, proteams and potential.
fun is it is a BETA. it has more viewer on twitch than gw2 everyday, everyhour.
gw2 is released.
shame

i think thief would win because of the stunbreak assassin has not.

but..but…but…but…but….

…but what about every other new or old player who whine in the last 8 months, helping anet to nerf thief to this?
..

mesmer is still good at holding a point. problem is meanwhile pvp turned around godly ele so u must change your playstyle.
imho. gl

Incurafy.6329:

Shukran.4851:

Issues.5789:

Volrath.1473:

stun breakers…

But hey if you want to go own noobs in hot joins be my guest, in competitive pvp a S/P thief is a free kill.

Specially if you use all those utility skills leaving you without a stun breaker or a defensive utility of any kind.

and btw take a chill pill i’m being polite with you, there’s no need for aggressiveness.
Opinions are different you got your’s i got mine, i respect yours pls respect mine.

I only play WvW, I don’t use all those, I’m just simply stating that there are ways to restrict people. I’m not upset; you simply said it has no use in PvP; where I disagree and say it can be utilized by punishing people who res and making more people follow you and taking aggro off your party.

you only play wvwvw so

Please stop posting about the Thief class..

if u think pw is useful in pvp environment.
thx

Actually, it is useful, so stop being such an arrogant kitten and get off your pedestal.

Kasama.8941:

Why would you want more Hundred Blades or Mug+Backstab type effects? I don’t get this obsession with being able to down your opponent in 2 seconds. It’s makes for really boring fights. I would rather have they increased the stun duration to 1 second, or added a ½ second immobilize on top of the stun.

Why on earth would they add an immobilise to it? A stun is a daze combined with an immobilise so adding the immobilise condition would be absolutely pointless.

sorry but i need a video of some pro thief who carry his team with pw. in Tpvp. and im not on a pedestal. i only state what the game offer to thief right now. and pw is not in the list if u want to win.

but from your signature i can’t expect more than an advocate of lost causes.
gg no re

thanks Iniquity sharing everyone’s opinion about the game .
everyday i log in the forum i just think what u wrote and i am realle sad and disappointed about anet behaviour.

gw2 was the worst game bough in the last years (seconded only to sacred2). i was one of the most hyped for gw2. now i am one of ones who hope in a fast death for this game.

Issues.5789:

Volrath.1473:

stun breakers…

But hey if you want to go own noobs in hot joins be my guest, in competitive pvp a S/P thief is a free kill.

Specially if you use all those utility skills leaving you without a stun breaker or a defensive utility of any kind.

and btw take a chill pill i’m being polite with you, there’s no need for aggressiveness.
Opinions are different you got your’s i got mine, i respect yours pls respect mine.

I only play WvW, I don’t use all those, I’m just simply stating that there are ways to restrict people. I’m not upset; you simply said it has no use in PvP; where I disagree and say it can be utilized by punishing people who res and making more people follow you and taking aggro off your party.

you only play wvwvw so

Please stop posting about the Thief class..

if u think pw is useful in pvp environment.
thx

Issues.5789:

Elmuerto.9840:

PW is now call Waving In the Air – and is a form of Tai Chi. It was usable with 100% quickness (although admittedly a tiny bit OP) but to have an ability only made useful with a second ability is not great. Now even with 50% quickness passers by wave back with confused looks on their faces and continue on their way as you’re rooted to the spot in serene enlightenment.

You’ve portrayed my point in a comedic sense, thank you!

Shukran.4851:

PW sucks even if u add the nerfed 15% dmg because of his slow channeling. so i just like the damage as it is but want a faster cast channeling. anet can remove stun if they need but please
fast
channeling

that’s all

Please stop posting about the Thief class..

because you are the pro who teach how to play thief to everyone? please. . .

PW sucks even if u add the nerfed 15% dmg because of his slow channeling. so i just like the damage as it is but want a faster cast channeling. anet can remove stun if they need but please
fast
channeling

that’s all

“im stronk want 1v1?”

it is almost a must on thief.

but i think everyone has his own playstyle

xaendark.1346:

I think the answer to the openers question is simple:

The main reason is the stealth mechanic.

For the explanation I will illustrate 4 Situations. Be aware that in 1 vs 1 Situations there will always be a “better one” which would eventually win the fight.

Situation 1: Thief (better one) vs NonThief, Result: Thief wins.
Situation 2: Thief vs NonThief (better one), Result: NonThief would win, but Thief runs, denying the win to the NonThief.

Situation 3: NonThief runs into a Zerg, Result: NonThief dies.
Situation 4: Thief runs into a Zerg, Result: Thief runs.

I won’t argue that it still depends on the Build the Thief plays.
I won’t argue that other classes also may run from a Zerg.
I won’t argue that it depends on the players skill.

But the thief does have an advantage because of the stealth mechanic.

(Btw.: I play a thief myself. And because of those reasons I prefer going to WvW with him instead of my other chars.)

conquest mode means that if thief run he lose the fight.
pretending win= kill : ok you right
pretending win = 500 points : ok you wrong