Guild Wars 2

thief: i am going to backstab you(venom, preparing for combo..go #5+F1+1)
…dodge/breakstun
thief: ok cya in 45 secs..uff
op

-a thief

the ones who refuse to share their build are sad players who are worried about someone else could play better their spec.
btw when gaming become agonysm, there will be always someone “serious” about it.
so no worries, change stream or look for forums about that build and u will find it out.

i like it very much. a lot of potential wasted by bugged stuff .

i think, if the game was not burst/bunker-centric, scorpion wire was something like a must on thief. btw it is so underused that almost 90% of the times i used every opponet were hit by it.

Alex.6940:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAV4alUmiPHdy9E95Ey2jKUn4JuHOFT1UaFoJA;TsAg0Cvo4ywlgLLXOukctoYYxuAA Is roughly what i run when i run this spec in spvp. Obviously you can switch traits around to your liking, such as getting 2 initiative when going into stealth or 100% crit chance from stealth, although i think executioner provides more damage overall for the playstyle of d/p or shortbow. The build focuses on longer fights however, and you can’t expect to quickly burst down most professions from full health as you may be able to with a glass cannon build.

A good source of burst damage however is black powder followed by heart seeker then, mid way through the heart seeker animation, steal to your opponent to deal mug damage and subsequently land the heartseeker and stealth before using backstab. Alternatively hitting blinding powder then hit backstab and mid way through the animation steal to the opponent to deal mug+ backstab damage if you want to land the damage more reliably.

The build is quite well rounded and use of blinds and stuns with the healing of shadow’s rejuvenation will allow you to stand toe-toe against just about any build. The reduced dps however will make certain builds difficult to near impossible to finish though, such as bunker ele’s.

valkyrie amulet?

answer to title:
soon
soon
soon
soon

Alex.6940:

Have you tried a 10/30/30/0/0 build? Not quite the dps as a full GC build, but 30 in shadow arts adds a huge amount of survivability if you use your stealths well. 10 stacks of might from shadow refuge with backstab+mug damage offers some significant burst damage too.

Pistol off hand also provides some great tools for reducing damage with black powder for melee attackers and shadow shot for gap closers. It’s far superior to d/d against most professions imo. Head shot can also be very powerful, but this requires some practice and good insight into what your opponent is going to do to be used to its potential imo.

last time i used daily that build was in august/september. can u give me more data on build pls? traits, runes,sigils, weaps etc etc

tried your build. probably im too used to d/d burst. but really. i do not so much dmg for the squishy class i am. maybe im not used to the build.
btw right now thief is unplayable till new patches. so thx and cya soon

so u have to learn to play gw2 as a new game. custom ui is the most wanted and never received feature. so deal with it.

i agree with butch but still shourter cds (with a rebalanced skillsets) would help dynamics in game imho.

edit: seryi honestly i think that on 26th of august 2012 (gw2 release) more than 50% of community was formed by gw1 players. just random numbers ofc i can’t prove it.

Master Charles.7093:

Conquest is a team game, and 5 people on 3rp party voip is by far superior.

Solo or Premade, it’s 5 people running to 3 nodes, outnumbering and destroying each other in unfairly balanced skirmishes. The entire game is about ganging up on people. Trying to do that solo, (having no communication with your team) is just mindless, happenstance bs.

1 or 2 viable builds per class = cheese vs futility

The leaderboard is mainly a list of elitists who consistently run cheese builds with 4 others in voip. The amount of people who play like this is a very small fraction of the entire player base (most of whom chose to quit rather than feed this moloch)

op description is op.
+1 to you really

1- no need
2- soon
3- option change buttons or learn this like a new game.
4- agree
5- agree
6- agree Seryi about search function etc

no armor&weaps sigils
no amulet.
fix it pls

Arganthium.5638:

I think that people just haven’t found the right build for themselves yet. Personally, I like the 0/0/20/30/20 spec, which works with just about any weapon set (like ele’s 0/10/0/30/30 spec), although I like it most with D/P. Dasorine says that thieves have too little defense, but this spec has plenty of it, with stealth and evades on top.

To balance that out, I typically run zerker gear. The result? An insanely balanced thief that has lots of survivability while maintaining very nice damage.

I want to see more people trying out specs like this in the future. Currently, the two main camps for thief theorycrafting seem to focus around bursting or conditions. I’d like to see a new camp form, one that discusses the phenomenon of the “bunker thief” in more depth.

in depth build please. logging now gw2 to test your build. please

appreciated the effort to be objective. thx. i will wait till PW will rule the dps metagame.

i took a break for about 1month, now leaderboard is out. any new stuff for thief except d/d burst or general burst build?
or should i wait for another big pvp patch SOON?

custom arenas will fix the problem. soon

seems stuff wasn’t fine.

Valkyriez.6578:

milo.6942:

tapsumbong.6470:

I really hope they have an option to disable elite skills, and maybe even an option to replace your elite skill with an extra utility.

wtf?

I doubt that will be an option. Some classes are built around thier elite skill.

which class?

Sprawl.3891:

2013 and people still complain about pvp trash talk? lmao

this.

charsandasura

www = mass fights
tpvp 5v5

i don’t get how could it be difficult to understand that those are 2 differents worlds (pve one, pvp other)

mursie.3681:

Shukran.4851:

i think internet is like an happy island in which anyone can say what they want , because every time only customers will pay for every lie.
u buy the game bad advertised. peace, you could not buy it, simple no?
u buy the client. if u are reported software house can BAN you. it is like i buy a car and his house take it back because i said something wrong.
so internet is a make money machine. just that.

“Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. "

can u link me some “internet law” about anet forced to give us back money for his crap product called as GW2? and about my previous post. apologize for bad english, still u are OT and proved nothing against my statement. gj quoting stuff

i think internet is like an happy island in which anyone can say what they want , because every time only customers will pay for every lie.
u buy the game bad advertised. peace, you could not buy it, simple no?
u buy the client. if u are reported software house can BAN you. it is like i buy a car and his house take it back because i said something wrong.
so internet is a make money machine. just that.

we are in 2013. games that were on the summit of success are those who have resisted all the attacks of similar games. therefore, to date, a new game that wants to impose on the market must ALREADY have all the features that other games have. a software house that expect his community to remain faithful despite all the mistakes they made, and they can not keep up with the other software houses, well, they can even change jobs!

money >>>> anger.

Empiren.6401:

Shukran.4851:

right now it has 14 viewers more than smite (open beta game). sad, im going to rise his viewer count.

Smite is officially released lol.

not. check yourself.

lol gw2 main streams are about new adventure box.
op pvp stream is op

right now it has 14 viewers more than smite (open beta game). sad, im going to rise his viewer count.

silvermember.8941:

Shukran.4851:

if pve and pvp are both equially fun, i think pvers will quit before pvpers.

Guild wars 1 had everything PvPers said they could want and what ended up keeping the game was PvEers.

both fun and upgraded/patched constantly at the same way, i meant.

after DC universe, SOE lost a lot of credibility imho. acted like anet forcing that wonderful pvp game in a f2p kitten.

if pve and pvp are both equially fun, i think pvers will quit before pvpers.

just dont force us to use elite skill. i think if they let us use any utility in our elite spot, noone would carry an elite.

yee pve community had his 8bit puzzle world. pvp community has not viable classes&builds + random bugs. who is more lucky?

as usual for fix stuff the best answer is:

soon

Dinster.7063:

Why people keep telling, that they quit pvp because of no balance and “viable builds”?

I honestly believe, that we can call it a non-GW1 player.

Here is the thing. In all MMOs(which ive played and seen) in order to do pvp you need to level up first, which would take you about..500-700 hrs. Then you should gear up, this will take pretty much the same amount of time. In the end you are decent lets say.. warrior! After a while u go to arena 2v2 and die by every druid+smth set up and can do nothing about it, cuz you ve spent over 1000hrs alrdy and there s no garantee, that you will be able to kill stuff, if u switch to that class.

But its freaking GW2, not WoW or any other MMOrpg! You can create a character and make a build, which is suitable for you within 20 mins.

Again, it depends on the aim of the player. If you want to have fun with your uberproGSslashBANNERslash2xMACE warrior, then its ok, keep crying. But if you want to win tourneys, be good at spvp, then swallow the fact, that warriors suck, log out and create the freaking ele.

even if you are right, post like yours are the best way to point out what is wrong with gw2. every other mmoprog around is gear based, so it is difficult to compare with gw2. even mobas are too far from gw2 atm to compare them too.
fact is gw2 is not rdy to be nothing more than a pve game with wvwvw ..and some kind of pvp.
gw2 is an open beta! welcome to 1st of april community!!!

pls a tl;dr version of stream? im lazy

means he farmed more than others. i would envy him…not

Battosai.5620:

the quickness nerf was a step into the right direction.
now they can actually start to balance stuff – it has to get worse before it gets better.

sure but u can’t expect we can wait a month for the second part of the sentence when the first one was a 7 months pain.

honestly, top 10-20 gw1 teams were at that position because they outplayed even cheese compositions by splitting or playing better. that was a teamplay balanced game. this is not.

the point of esport and leaderboard, as the title ask, is here just for the internet kitten or e-kitten. wow omg i am on ladder u suck im god. kneel to me gg no re.
shame is this game needed it 6-7 months ago.

im trying new game free to play, every one is closed or open beta, and u know? they have more esport potential than gw2 in release buy to play etc etc.

btw as a only tpvp player i can say u this thing: i watched some gw2 stream and i think that wvwvw is more enjoyable to watch than tpvp, even if pro stream.
cya on smite

it seems to me old teams are lf new players.

wtf so many warriors

ensoriki.5789:

Hitting people with Backstab is easy and typical.

if they are sleeping yes. a normal opponent should avoid it or he will be not normal.
play thief for some time. it sharpens your reflexes

Kultas Sunstrider.9218:

Zodian.6597:

is this a troll? Thief is fine, just replace your rage sigils with fire ones. Honestly, they still need to nerf mug through the ground. Thief burst never even came from quickness in the first place, if that’s how you were playing -you’re doing it wrong lol (let me know if you want a guide).
Played my thief the other night and it’s as strong as ever.

1) Is anyone seriously playing with rage sigil? Omg.
2) Fire sigil instead of rage? so I suppose you are talking about the sigils on d/p or d/d, whatever. Fire sigil instead of air? Why!?
3) Quickness is (was) one of the most important things in thief’s burst. A burst without quickness is like 100% avoidable by anyone, no jokes. The backstab casting time is so slow that even a child could shadowstep it.
Let me know if you want a guide.

maybe i read it wrong, but can’t understand if you are pro or against the quickness nerf .

:) sigil of rage, sbrofl.

no. remove quickness

i support this idea just for the sake of new modes.

i prefer keg brawl (never played) at hotjoins

you should wait for the BIG PVP PATCH in april…or may..don’t know.

Kasama.8941:

Yes, it should had been done sooner. The rate of which things get changed in this game, is what really worries me. It feels like ArenaNet are 3 months behind the community, when it comes to balancing.

let s make a deal: 7 months behind the community

having more pvper that enjoy the pvp
or
having pvper who come mysts only once a month to farm some pve stuff
.
well i don’t know why u are forcing yourself to defend your statement.

i love all these new forum heroes who come here from nowhere teaching the “l2p i have no problem in my low skilled team pool”.

gg no re

i mean that thieves are CG usually so when they fail their combo they end their role. and against an ele with no combo up you can only retreat and spam shortbow. btw ele take care of you and another teammate, if he didnt kill u while u were close to him

Narcarsis.5739:

Viability: thief is fine, learn to play the class.
Diversity: having 2 specs (one requiring vastly more experience, skill, and communication/cooperation than the other – thus never being seen) is somewhat stale. However that being said the only class with true build diversity is the guardian.

Complaining about skill issues is pointless. You’re crying because you don’t have haste for your heartseeker spam post burst, requiring you to outplay people instead of face roll. Learn the class, how it plays, and what it’s capable of before whining on forums about quickness as a thief. The quickness nerf didn’t even touch backstab in terms of viability, and reduced pistol whip and unload specs to completely unplayable (not to say they were viable before).

-Caed

the only sad thing i see in this “outplay” is that after a burst eles will laugh at you.

i love your post Zodian.6597 .