Guild Wars 2

because fun is farming and not being more skilled than opponents. ok

btw i agree with OP, point system is not good. who kills take more points than who make win the match (i am thief i usually am the top player), but guardians who hold points 1v2 all match long take less points.
they should put all the points every single player of the team do together and share equally to the team.

i agree with you. but how can you improve warrior?
warrior has good movement skills and good damage btw, he has 2-3 usually used CC plus some more less used.
i think the main reason it sucks, it is the little differences between ligh, medium, heavy armor; toughness and armor itselves changes so little damage token.
a good balancing start could be modify these problems.

dodge bull’s charge= free win.
put marks under your character, free break stun.

hope it helped

i hope before they implement tournament fee they fix this lag. it is unplayable whenever it lags. an e-sport can’t allow this kind of problem.

i started right now a tourney, i won 2 match straight easy. 2 premade men were in my team. why do you put emphasis in casual players = completely noob players? why do you think there are only premades in tourney?
if you are so unlucky sorry, but i start often tourney alone just to make something and i can’t find what’s wrong with them for casuals and for hardcore.
stop blame yourself guys and play

well, i understand you PoV, but tell me, is fun for a pvp player going to wvwvw where the better equip and zerg win?
is it fun 8v8 where the best zerg win?
tourney pvp is a nice start, think about it when anet will put tourney fee..

agree with aza. there are already a lot of condition stacking skills. and conditions are enough deadly if well stacked. the game is fine this way..

try to answer every point:
1_lack of incentive: are you talking about 8v8? stop writing stuff, really, 8v8 is for fun, and zergfest is what better describe it. about 5v5, what do you mean with “grind”?is trying to win the tourney grinding? so i am a grinder. pvp players don’t care about using their fashion top tier rank armor outside pvp, because they don’t care about the rest. i talk about hardcore players ofc. pve and pvp are two separate worlds.

2_ class and team imbalance: trying to don’t laugh at your sentence, a well trained and focused team can win you even if they use 5 guardian or 5 rangers, because they are smart, they know how to play and how to win. about RANK: they wrote everywhere they are working on it. game is new, learn to play before you want to go in low rank because of this “hastiness”.

3_ as point 2, give them time. i think you don’t like pvp if u are already bothered about these maps, but as far as i can see you play 8v8, so i think i should stop complain your statements. for the record: gw2 started alpha test about 1 year ago, a lot of players were lucky enough to take part at this great test to balance, polish, fix, whatever, on this game. they have tested every kind of pve and pvp fo 1 year. so, except something i would like to agree, you pretend to have theruth about game balancing and say what should be done to fix pvp instead of trying to carry yourself throughout these “lame things”?
sorry for my english.

necro has so many ranged skill that help you to grow DS.
if opponent try to go melee, you DS→fear and go on with your skills. maybe you specced wrong way, maybe you ask too much to your playstyle. training is the best solution to your problem.

what is balance? and at what level should be “leveled”?
as a “wanna be e-sport”, this spvp should balanced at maximum level possible, as any other game out there.
do you want game to be balanced aroung the casual gamer? or you want it to be balanced at the higher, where you will see, yelling and cheering at your favourite team when they do inhuman skilled pro moves?

i don’t pretend to be best player after 20 days of release. but out there there are better players which win in this state of the game. as it was in gw1 or we had been top 10 in ladder every game, every guilds, every days.

maybe main hand has more % to trigger than offhand, so assuming you are in fight, swap cost you 9 seconds, which is largely the time needed for sigils to recharge and maybe you continue to trigger only main hand. or vice versaz only offhand. test it then report in the right section

arent there some knod of consumable which let you modify aesthetics of armors? but if you are not lvl 80 it will be a waste of resouce.

http://www.gw2build.com/videos/
as i posted in another thread. go look for eles streaming and watch them pownz noobs.
the game is not build centric but skill centric, meaning you can win if you know how to win. you can give me a op build, but if i don’t know how to use it i won’t win a single fight against a decent opponent.
maybe i don’t know how ele works right now, but probably is a general lack of experience due to other mmorpgs/gw1’s gvg/etc mentality

http://www.gw2build.com/videos/

don’t remember his name. try to look every ele stream there and maybe you can remember me the name of the player.
i dont like to tell lies.

Skolops.2604:

Shukran.4851:

i have seen a stream of an ele with 14 (or 16?) thousand hp roaming and destroying every single opponent all around the map. maybe 2.5k armor. and he could tank even in 2v1. am i mad? maybe. but if you are skilled there is nothing you can’t do with your class.

If he’s 1v2ing it’s almost certainly more a matter of how awful his opponents were than how effective his class could be.

ofc. can’t be him a good player, must be noob opponents. so here there is no good ele around? it is sad

observer was the worst thing ever implemented in gw1. before it there was variety in build compositions. every guild built his own funny/invincible build. after observer release you sw only balanced, same kind of spike and a couple of well tested builds. wow so interesting game yawn .

Otiz.3259:

I suggest you try elementalist for a couple of hours then.

I dont have a mate in PvP cause the queuing system doesn’t allow me to queue with a friend w/o a great deal of uncertainty and annoyance.

i play thief,i have 14k hp, 1.9k armor. i know better what it does means. and for your laughs, most of the times i die is because my target is close to a war aoeing hundred and hitting me by a side.
it is called “me noob”.

i have seen a stream of an ele with 14 (or 16?) thousand hp roaming and destroying every single opponent all around the map. maybe 2.5k armor. and he could tank even in 2v1. am i mad? maybe. but if you are skilled there is nothing you can’t do with your class.

what is really wrong with rank in my opinion is that is shader with 8v8 and 5v5.

assuming i spam “rank 20 thief lfg” how can you be sure i am skilled (rank 20 skilled meh but w.e) or just farmed in 8v8?

warrior’s stuns have higher cd. if you die to a guardian immobilize+hundred blades i call it TEAMPLAY and i think it is fine: 2 minds wins against 1. or you could have a mate with a class which instaremoved your condition and you escaped free laughing at 3secs wasted hundred blades.
game is balanced. personal skill is what makes you better than other players.

burst damage classes are biult around damage (you don’t say?) calling those builds Glass Cannons.
it means that my job is to kill you as fast as possible because if you don’t die i have to run out of the combat.
personal skill is what distinguishes a good player from a mediocre one. no offence to anyone, really. just i think it is not passed enought time to make us “proplayers” of gw2.

oh and the game is balanced around capping the points to win, not burst down the noob and win. glass cannons can’t cap points

honestly i think the only way to lose with a necro is being targetd hard in the first 1-3 minutes of the game after that he will have enought death shroud to hold the point till next year. ahahah
remember guys that burst damage is all about long cd skills, while dps classes usually works better with autoattacks or more than 1 good skill so they can cycle all of them. learn to avoid the main skill of the burst (bull’s charge is the main of hundred in my opinion for example), and you will have a free time to dps

guys remember, as long as you can be alive, but downed, you won’t be abloe to help team to cap points, the main target of victory in spvp. every class has his own skill to try to take time and survive to death. but not often it is a good thing.

chain stun on you means there are no stuns left for others. if you use properly your break stun they will waste a lot of control.

but…if we are talking about 8v8..there was no need for this thread..so i guess it was not referring to it.

listen to milo everyone he says the truth. really!

for the record, GW2 has the LORE of GW1, but it is another kind of game; so we should stop thinking we can have back – if the don’t want it anymore – GvG, or ascent or whatever.
game was released 20days ago. i think that for the end of the month they will probably put some great new fix..i really hope.

@kokiman: if you like to learn how to play i suggest you to learn how the character work in 8v8.. the time needed to understand the class, not careing of zergs. then go for 5v5 random. noone was born “learned”. you need your time to inderstand how to move, how to play, how to build your character to be usefull in 5v5(not every character can do the same things of others). noone will blame you in random 5v5. play it and enoy it.
when you feel ready, you can start premades.

Feothyr.6072:

nysta.6713:

seriously. do tourny if you need to carry each other.

Seriously, how often do I have to repeat that tournaments are not an option if you’re looking for some casual pvp fun?!

why not? is the losing team mocked to death? (bad english is bad). no
free tourneys are there for casual gamers, you lose? you restart. what is the problem?
if you want to be more than 5, go to wvwvw. or play 8v8 and laugh while you stomp/die to your friends.
but i always suggest people to leave 8v8 and play more 5v5.

@Oracle and others who like w/l ratio: i understand your point, i think i know the feeling of being “quite invincible”. but what if i tell you that, for example, half of your victories you were carried by a 2-3-guildy premade and you did only a little part of their strategy? do you think you belong the winning still? do the w/l ratio become more valuable or less valuable?
8v8 is too random to give him some “importance”. maybe anet did wrong to put a win ratio to the whole class instead of torney part only. but at the moment, without a kind of ladder, w/l ratio is useless.

solo queue torueny is your answer:
talk with the tourney npc, create a roster ALONE, subimit, wait, profit!!!!

then will be your skill that will make the difference. from that point you will start to blame yourself if you lose, i hope you are ready for that

just to clarify to everyone:
8v8 is NOT pvp; if you want zerg, there is wvwvw with his rules (you can be less but better equipped, you ownZ).
gw2 pvp is tournaments; 5v5, more “polished”, more “balanced”. give them a couple of weeks and i assume we can see a new big patch..i hope.

Sjach Darasv.3729:

it is a bit op but those portals are also on the 7-9 skill slots as well. they don’t just conjure them up from no ability, and they may have disabled 6-10 while holding the kit I don’t know, like i said in tPvP as a thief it’s not my job to handle our treb and in sPvP, treb is only good if the whole team doesn’t come to zerg the one person on it, which they usually do.

just some facts to explain why it is op. sorry for my english:
map is 5v5, meaning every player counts a lot for the total score. you have one at your trab, they have one to theirs.
if you send someone to destroy treb,opponent team has 1 more member to push some caps; mesmer put portal, goes to repair kit spawn and wait for treb to be destroyed: portal 1 secs time to rebuild. you have a great advantage.
if you are not a mesmer you have to walk for a 10 -15 secs of risky path to catch repair kit, go back and use treb. assuming i am not right with numbers it is at least 10-20 secs of 4v5 with no treb. a great disadvantage.
if you send more than 1 to treb, well you probably lose more than 1 cap.
maybe i missed some tactical points, but it is about it in tourney

pouring concrete into the water to equalize the ground ( ), put flag on the top of the ship: best map ever.

mesmers are strong. doesn’t mean they are op. moa is very strong, but not op. you can run, you can dodge. mesmers create clones. aoe kills them fast.
what really bothers me is the “smartness” of phantasms which don’t go away while mesmer is downed so he has a good advantage in 1v1 downed mode(i mean you can run away as thief or ele downed escape skill, phantasm will hunt you to death).
i can suggest you to avoid aoe staff skill, avoid some direct damage as duelist then after mesmer waste his breakstun chase him to death.

strange , these days i win more tourney with pugs than with guildy.
maybe i am lucky. but i often find good players in solo queue, roflstomping guildteams in it.hoping it is a part of a rank-filter-selection party. don’t know. rarely i don’t win at elast 2 matches straight.
or at least you can find a guild and start 5premade.

i think there is a bit of misunderstanding or maybe i misunderstood:

op asked for 8v8, everyone is confusing it with 5v5.

anet says: they don’t want 8guildmate stomping pubs. that’s right.

you can follow a friend by friend list->right click on friend-> join match pvp etc
that don’t give you 100% chance to be in team with him.
if you want to be sure you are with your friend, you can party and start tourney, you can be 1,2,3,4,premade. easy

game released 28(25)/08/2012.
give them time till 01/10/2012, a month will be passed and maybe they will upgrade pvp.
they focused more attention in pve and wvwvw to attract mmorpg players, and i think pve and wvwvw are wonderful. i am a pvp player, i feel i can stll play this mode for another 2 weeks, then i will pretend some love for the pvp part of the game.

let’s wait. don’t you think so?

SmackMyBird.2386:

Shukran.4851:

there is not a win/loss ratio as far as i know in gw2 at the moment. why bothering about switching losing team if you did, for example, 200 glory (that is the only reason i think people play 8v8..rank farming), your score still remain. so what is your problem?
ladder will be put for tourney that are 5v5 premade, that don’t involve team balancing.
go on playing and don’t care about team switch.

There is, if you press H and go to the PvP tab you can check Games by proffesion and Wins by proffesion. Compare the two and you have your W/L.

hmm thx for the advice, i will check mine ahaha, but exactly how does the w/l ratio improve your gaming experience and how it teach you to be a better player? i mean, it gives more skill to have w/l ratio 10 because you were carried by a zergfest stronger than the opposite team?
8v8 is just for fun and maybe just to let casual players rank up in a way. let it be that way. if you need more challenge, go solo queue tourney, and understand what is the real spvp in gw2

Sjach Darasv.3729:

No my main character is a thief and i shadowstep with the repair kit all the time, i also play a necro. You can’t use the shadowstep return with the sword but when i have the repair kit my f1 is available as are my 6-10.

[edit] my main could be considered the necro since i leveled him to 80 but considering that this is pvp discussion and i have well over 100+ more games on my theif than i do my necro in pvp theif is my main for pvp purposes.

hmm u put doubts in my mind now. i need to check. but as far as i remember i could not use my utilities.

Sjach Darasv.3729:

Right so when you get swtiched from the team that just decimated the other team at all the points at 492 score you have a chance to come back from being auto balanced to the other side. I can safely say it happened to me and yes, I know comebacks are possible. I was in a game up 300 to 100 got autobalanced to the other team came back got to that 492 and auto balanced to the other team a second time. Yes it is fun for casuals, but it’s not fun when you get swapped to an automatic loss after the work you put in to a victory, especially when that loss comes from being auto balanced twice in the same match.

i understand your pov. but i think you should just relax, play your game and if your team lose, well you could still be the player with the higher score. enjoy your skillness :P

solo queue tourney op.
fast, fun, workout

Sjach Darasv.3729:

Don’t have to use stealth before taking the repair kit. Can use it while you have the repair kit. Pop steal while picking it up, blinding powder just before it wears of and at a 66% move speed it is a relatively short trip to get the treb repaired.

[edit] or if your good enough you could probably jump down use shadowstep from the base of it pop steal and blinding powder to pick up the repair kit and shadowstep back, there is no limit to distance shadowstep travels on shadow return.

do you know that when you are carrying the repair kit your skills are not usable? i mean except F1-4 no other skill can be used. explain how to shadowstep with thief in that mode.
is your main character a mesmer?

8v8 has been put to let casual player have fun pvping. thi involve that teams should be balanced any second of the match. when autobalance appear, anyone has same chance to be switched. deal with it. if you play with friends you can ask them to switch too, and if you are good enough you still win again.
8v8 is for fun. enjoy it or don’t play it and use glory boost in tourney. better idea in my opinion.

so u think that compare a 1skill-istant-teleport-with-repair-kit for about 10-30k distance is the same that using stealth before taking repair kit, using steal(35-45secs cd) and walk the same distance?

seems legit.

i agree op, portal should not be used this way.

there is not a win/loss ratio as far as i know in gw2 at the moment. why bothering about switching losing team if you did, for example, 200 glory (that is the only reason i think people play 8v8..rank farming), your score still remain. so what is your problem?
ladder will be put for tourney that are 5v5 premade, that don’t involve team balancing.
go on playing and don’t care about team switch.

no.
anet wants spvp fights last at max 20-40 secs. reducing damage is not the right way. learning to play is better instead