Guild Wars 2

Wolfe.3097:

actually i think it goes, precast PW, then infiltrators strike. honestly the precast ability is what makes things like pistol whip and CnD (for landing stealth) useful.

also ive never managed 2 unhasted pistol whips on a target even when specced into poisons using devourer.

CnD doesn’t have infiltrator’s strike. as i wrote it is just to make an easy combo, often i don’t use haste to try some new utility build and because of good players, i think haste is too risky. but w.e. also, i wrote the list just to show how it works, changing the list order doesn’t change his number

i think we will have everything we need in max 8 days.
trust me

thief burst damage:
1_ infiltrator’s
2_ pistol whip
2a_ did he dodged?yes
3a_ steal
4a_pistol whip
5a_ devourer venom
6a_pistol whip
7a_pistol whip
all hoping he never stunbeak or dodge again after steal
2b_ did he dodge?no
3b_ pistol whip
4b_devourer venom
5b_steal
6b_pistol whip
7b_pistol whip
all hoping he never stunbeak or dodge again after steal

this is some kind of thief burst
as u can see it is not 2 keys combo, as u can see u are not informed about thief burst combo, as u can see thief has to hope opponent is dumb to complete his own build.
ofc i didn’t wrote haste, so the combo would be longer, and i put devourer because usually it is used.
mesmer dps and burst is less difficult because of the hunting illusions while shattering , and ofc if some dps want to survive to mesmer dps sometimes he has to dodge.

Wolfe.3097:

incorrect shukran, reveal is a debuff.

if the game working perfectly this is how stealth is supposed to work.

we attack, if the attack lands, we are INSTANTLY put out of stealth and gain the revealed debuff, where we cannot enter stealth again for 3 seconds (i think its 3, might be 2)

anything that allows the thief to attack continuously without breaking stealth is either lag or a bug.

i explained bad: whenever i see a thief going out of shadows it is not istantly revealed but slowly the form of the character appears. it needs about 1 sec to fully reveal a char meanwhile he can hit 2-3 times while revealing.

after stealth there is 3 secs of no chance to go stealth again.
no it is not a bug but probably the time the character use to reveal, it can do some damage. i think it is not right but i think there are other things to be balanced before thinking at it

you should report the glitch and the players who used it.

i would like to everyone, thief has only one initiative pool for 2 set of weapons, while every other class have single cd for every skill. so thief can spam less than every other profession. think about it.

would be nice if the title champion “class” had more levels of growth as other titles such as the champion brawler has.

in gw 2 rank is account bound, not character, and it is “farmable” also in 8v8.
champion “class” works only with tourney but it has only 1 rank (champion paragon, magus, illusinist, shadow etc). so would be useful for lfg chat for pug tourney.

/discuss

well mesmer is a dps that can burst, so the list is not needed.

when i die to a mesmer, assuming he is a good mesmer, and i read the death log i have always 10k + damage by imaginary sometthing. i know mesmers illusions are weak but if you as mesmer know how to play you will have alway up 2 phantasm + clones. if i kill some illusion i take conditions. then a lot of mesmers have sword/pistol, staff, means they do cond damage (not so high but still dps), stuns, blocks+flurry.
i think i can play quite decent but mesmer is the only class i cannot win and which i can’t improve and learn anything.
i would suggest lowering a bit the damage. cannon glass thief and cannon glass mesmer are not the same thing.
s/s can make you 2 illusionary swordman which do 5?k damage each.
too much reward for less risk than other cannon glass classes.

i think this is the best,polite, objective thread i ever seen in this forum since release.
i would like some dev read this thread.
it doen’t mean i agree every single word in this thread, but allaround is a good start.

the more squishy you are the more attention you have to pay when you use stunbreaks, dodges and utility. if you are tanky to soak burst damage you can play safer.

or just fix mesmer portal carrying items, or just block skillsbar and utility and F1-4 while carrying objects.

pericles.3286:

Ramza .. do you know that 9/10 teams dont pick a Necro to their team right?

which teams? why don’t they pick a necro while in my there is always a necro?
maybe it is their playstyle, not everyones’

cyrealkylla.7145:

lol fine sharp tell me what other class gets that much burst from one button…still waiting

ele meteor shower does a lot of damage and it has no aoe circle on the ground.

100b warrior

blurred frenzy or duelist mesmer

guardian maybe whirling wrath

1 button pressed

Geoff.6397:

Shukran.4851:

because no one care about 8v8. the only thing that count is Tpvp, tourney, gvg call it how u prefer. so 8v8 is impossible to balance because of the zerg mode. 5v5 is more balanced because the maps suit better 10 players than 16.
deal with it

Just your opinion without any fact or anything to support it. If it’s true, I would like someone to explain me why they have provided a 8v8 mod, since all that matter is 5v5 why do not make the hot join pvp a 5v5 mod? Are we, casual players, forced to play in an unbalanced environement?

because anet said that 8v8 was for casuals to enjoy pvp and basically allow them to learn basics of the pvp in gw2.
as you can understand, pvp now is a medium size map with 3 points to capture which gives score. 5v5 means more movement and tactic/strategy, because if you hold 2 points with 2 players, you have 3 “free” players. in 8v8 u have 6 "free"players, allowing zergmode, which is impossible to balance in the same map size. as long as you are casual you should not care too much about balance because in the free time you play pvp then you go something else. balance is for the ones who play mostly pvp and want to be competitve equally against everything.

i call 8v8 = RA
5v5 = tourney

i hate who call pvp = BG, who call thief = rogue.

@kage: so what kind of build should a thief pay? i use pistol whip, but i dont use haste anymore. more difficult to play and i can say

I don’t understand why I have to play flawlessly, and time my abilities perfectly because one guy learned how to click a button

, because i use a lot all my 5 skills with my thief because they are all 100% usefull, while other classes come and destroy me because thief has paper armor.

but just because community plays 8v8 as pvp of reference, instead of 5v5, and refuse to learn to play, they come here and whine.

ofc thieves can be tricky, but everytime i face them as thief i win because they are lazy to use only pistol whip while i can use all my skills.

learn to play, or learn to ask advices in the thief section, or here if you prefer, to how beat pistol whip thieves, and stop whine.

i would listen to some champion [class] or some champion brawler before asking to some r40-80

how can it be so difficult
chest = 0 no chests
chest = 1 yes chests
???
come on.league of legends compensated for less. i want to know how we will be compensated.

because no one care about 8v8. the only thing that count is Tpvp, tourney, gvg call it how u prefer. so 8v8 is impossible to balance because of the zerg mode. 5v5 is more balanced because the maps suit better 10 players than 16.
deal with it

Daays.4317:

You think balance makes a game an e-Sport?

DOTA2 isn’t balanced. Sit down and compare heroes side by side. How does Crystal Maiden compare to a Shadow Demon? A Riki compared to Morph or Lone Druid? At the International 2 you saw the same heroes every single game. Morph, LD, SD, DK, Enigma, etc. Balance means little when you have the ability to play those “broken” heroes and use them against your opponents

So what if Guardians/Mesmers are the best classes in the game? It’s not like playing a mirror match is boring. Those classes are very fun to play and you can do so much with them. That is never boring. Both sides can use them and both sides will play differently.

Player base, sponsors, spectators make an e-Sport. They won’t ever live without being able to generate revenue. And the only way to do that is to have a large enough community to broadcast to and make money off marketing.

DOTA2 has an amazing spectator mode. Stats everywhere for players to follow, chase cams, free movement, instant movement, etc. It’s amazing. Combined with the support of Valve, it will become a staple in the upcoming year at events.

Until GW2 has a working spectator mode, the game will never become an e-sport. Balance is one of the last things needed to be successful, especially in a game where everyone can play the most powerful classes.

ahahahah pls more BS pls. dota2 not balanced? really u could write this? lol you don’t deserve anything. u should stop playing.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs

is there not a section for bug report?

displacedTitan i assume you didn’t play so many tourney these days don’t you?
MadFad: i agree mesmers are not op, just their mechanic in the right hands is more painful than a thief (sbrofl at who think HS is strong).

yesterday i was lucky enough to be againsta a team of 3 guardians 2 mesmers hahahaha. noone died that day…of their team (well i was in pug but w.e).

if you are talking spvp = 8v8, yeah there are a lot of thieves, less mesmers honestly, but a very lot of thieves
if spvp means 5v5 = no. a lot of mesmers and guardians only.

@madfad: assuming the goal of tourney is to hold caps, you can see that the fight area is smaller than you declare, and you can understand how easier is to shatter in the face of opponents. killing illusion force opponent to take conditions(i know there are a lot of build around the internet, but hoping someone is building his mesmer using his brain, he will put some conditions on his killed illusions?), if you use sword OH and u parry an hit, you spawn another phantasm. everyone knows phantasm are the true damage output of mesmer. so you can understand how much damage you can do leaving phantasm “alive”.
i was a mesmer player. i contributed to make the mesmer the class it is now, and i can say it is a bit too much compared to 3 months ago.

illusions AI was greatly improved since bwes’ , now they are not puppets but hounds!.

if you don’t have aoes (a lot or still useless against a signet of illusion’s mesmer), it is very difficult to beat a decent mesmer.
probably anet should play a bit with stats of mesmer to find a better balancing.
don’t know. i think they know what they do.

in gw1, when there was the VOD, a lot of guilds played tanky (4monks) in gvg just to go to 20min mark and win because of healing to guild lord.
anet reworked vod.
i am worried about this state of the game and about guardians so hard to kill and theirs weapons.
i really hope they will fix this lame thing soon

my only doubt is about quick stomp and quick res, which are lame in my opinion.
but in battle using quickness can be good and bad at the same time. how many of you did whine at gw1 for frenzy warriors?
learn to avoid the frenzy guy and he will have a baad time.

http://www.reddit.com/r/gw2esports/comments/100rrq/countering_mesmers_on_khylo/

try to read this

i should have to suggest you to learn to use wasd command as long as it is another kind of game with his rules.
but i agree with 1: losing target has been always a problem. there should be some kind of “protection”, or if it is already in options, i can’t see it.
about 2: often my character is unresponsive to my keyboard lol. really. if you hold W at the beginning of the match while gates are just opening, often my character blocks, forcing me to release W and press again to move. or sometimes strafing my character conitnue to move even if i stop moving.

Davion.8754:

Shukran.4851:

Aelona.8572:

And, oh yeah, sPvP is just a major grind. There is no skill to getting the gear, just a helluva a lot of time. This doesn’t encourage you to actually do good at all.

Actually it does as your “ranking” will be seen by your gear. Believe me the first guy I’ll see in a dragon armor i’ll be like “holly kitten it must be such a monster”

Or a really dedicated noob

OR you can see at his title under the name which let u see how many tourney he won meaning he has to be skilled.

Or he had his hand held through tourneys

still a better player than a rank 40 made in 8v8.

Aelona.8572:

And, oh yeah, sPvP is just a major grind. There is no skill to getting the gear, just a helluva a lot of time. This doesn’t encourage you to actually do good at all.

Actually it does as your “ranking” will be seen by your gear. Believe me the first guy I’ll see in a dragon armor i’ll be like “holly kitten it must be such a monster”

Or a really dedicated noob

OR you can see at his title under the name which let u see how many tourney he won meaning he has to be skilled.

Carlin.1059:

benhamann.9570:

The OP is an idiot. I knew this to be true in the first sentence : “…this game is rather empty content-wise (Especially PvE, as there is nothing to do)”. Lawl. Go away.

8 easy dungeons that anyone with half a brain can rush through, and random dragons and bugged events. Yes, the game is rich on good PvE content.

i bet you are full exotic don’t you?

faileon: anet wants game offence>difence

thx a lot, well in these days i am practicing with D/P but i miss infiltrator’s skill. maybe that’s why i have this problem.
i will focus more on training now.

i don’t know engi, but i was erferring to the common one which spam mines on ground, with the big bomb immobilizes etc etc.

as thief , or warrior, fighting melee is hard because of sustains that engi has. going melee means take damage from those mines and bomb which reject you. engi has immobilizes, than healing plus elite healing. just move in circle and i die.
so i was asking for some point of view.
i will change my build to try to be more effective

sorry redfeather. i didn’t laugh at it. if you want to be helpful you can try another way.

wow very appreacited answer.

now a more difficult one:
how can i win against a bomb/mine/rifle spam engi with a thief ?

how can i win against a bomb/mine/rifle spam engi with a melee class?

thx

i agree, finally

i feel that bomb/mine engi is a little too much for me, too low cds to bombs, and i die slowing. maybe i need to improve more

Mayama.1854:

@ Shukran, you basicaly say people are forced to play a tanky spec to beat a thief. Isnt that a problem itself? Against alot of non tank/point def specs a thief (we talk about usefull builds) has a i-win button simply because he can almost automaticaly stick to its target and does not really care about stun breakers or condition removers. On my mesmer I feel like kittening myself if I dont go full burst, the only reason why I dont is because I dont want to run into a decent condition engi or necro without some tankyness.

i didn’t say anything about the spec you play. i said non cannon glass can beat cannon glass. and cannon glass is not the only dps spec you can do.

MadGelo.3869:

for something good i hope.

need to find a team 1st to play tourneys, otherwise rather pointless

honestly madgelo was famous for “farming” level 20 players while he was max level

btw soloQ tourney let you start learning how 5v5 is played. a good start

no but i know you

btw as i said play free tourney

no. a skilled non-glasscannon player can beat anytime a glasscannon thief. i repeat: a skilled player can beat cannon glass. cannon glass thieves are easier than mesmer btw

that aion madgelo?

btw do not give too much importance to 8v8. have fun in 5v5 if you want some balanced agonism. ofc you will find noobs there too, but i don’t think they will leave..

@keroksi: for once i don’t hav to rage. i agree, but , hoping you played gw1, i can ask you, how could you understand if ranger was aiming interrupt on you? or that diversion was for you and you were "spamming"skills, while 2 warriors were attacking you in frenzy and eles put some shiny skill too?
asuras maybe need some kind of “polish”. but your eyes, mine and all gw2 players have to learn this too. it is not only about smashing keys or dodging, but also positioning and focus. or you can try to play game with less graphical effects. a lot of starcraft 2 pro-players plays with low settings to see cloacked units and gaining less lag while in combat.
but all those “suggestions” come out from experience. and here anyone is experienced.
/close all whiny threads

Anet nerfs skilled players – a noob player

because the only imbalance in this game are the unskilled and lazy players who think they have to win easy against other players with no training.

Raging Bull.5048:

No one is arguing the difficulty of PvP. People are arguing it’s narrow limits and shallowness. The missing of the fun factor and the thrill that should come along with PvP.

no fun because no win because no skill.

tourney are nice, the feeling you have when you win one is “GeGeeeeee” or something.
right now they are free, good for us to work hard on teamplay and be better when tournament fee will be improved.
the ones who dont like spvp (5v5 i mean, 8v8 is kitten for beginners), should learn to play and stop whine or change the game and find some good pvp they like.