Funny ya, but still, why is the thief special in this regard? Noone has explained that to me. Go ahead, tell me why only the thief should require you to dps him dead instead of a stomp.
Did I say I don’t know how to kill a thief? No, I said why is it ok they need 3 stomps when they can stomp just about anyone on the first? Explain it in a rational, well thought out sense, if its possible for you…
these are called mechanics. there are some classes who prevent stomp and others who avoid stomp.
the first ones you can use stability/blind
the second ones you can dps to death
there is NO rule about “downed opponent MUST be stomped to kill them” so i don’t get the frustration everyone put on this forum about downed mode.
ele downed mode is OP just because when ele ue mist form, his downed hp regenerate. but have u ever seen the res ability of ranger’s pet? or the double engi interruption. or the guardian/necro mark, what about warrior’s vengeance?
assume 2 opponents with 2 different classes downed at the same time. try to see who win in every “matchup”, then come back here explaining to us how much OP is thief downed mode.
for the record: hp in downed mode are a % of normal hp. 75% i guess im not sure. now think about 75% of 14k hp thief and go on playing.
mechanics.
or l2p issue, but noone wants to listen these words anymore..
this is why alot of the time u see a rank 1-5 player using the exact same rotation that a rank 50+ is using because the game has a ridiculously low skillcap due to the weapon swap setup.
there is nothing like a “combo chain skills” so i don’t understand the point. you have 10 skills for 2 weapon sets.
protip: u down a thief, u damage him till death, not a single stomp was used that day and every thief died.
funny because the answer to the OP is his nick
It’s to filter out bad people. Maybe you’ve never played free tournaments, but usually I end up facing a team of rank 1s 90% of the time.
I have NEVER paid for tickets and I have more than I will ever need sitting in my bank just from dailies and crafting.
because everyone here was born with rank 35 and a lot of skill.
right.
why don’t you just win and show some politeness to level 1s saying maybe “ggwp” at the end , or just teaching them something right to do when u randomize frees to help them to improve?.
The issue is comparable skill. That’s hard to find.
Well that’s because thieves don’t require any skill.
Vulnerability to random AoE CC.
Doesn’t provide AoE’s.
You only have single target damage in which if it misses then..
You’re stuck to using short bow until Venom cools down.
Short Bow DPS isn’t even that good.
Can’t afford to be full melee whether “tank” or “DPS.”
Let alone extremely punishable the moment they reach melee range on someone.
Has a hard time downing people.
You’re telling me Thief is THAT forgiving? Please, you’re all bark and words without worth.
Are you another one of those who press 3 after f1-2-2-2-2….?
nice video. it shows how a bad thief player ca be carried by a good team. because you know, watc hing that guardian going down so fast, watching thief has just use 1 hs on him, watching his teammate who is stomping guardian which did the 99% of the job, is so “thief op” intensive.
i would like if stealth last 1 sec and reveal debuff last 1 sec with some kind of cd on stealth skills(bs, tactical, etc). so thief profession would be like xmen’s nightcrawler.
nerf to boons stack
nerf to condition stack
nerf to burst damage
nerf to bunkering
nerf to thief
nerf to ele
nerf to mesmer
nerf to guardian
bug fix
trait fix
shadow refuge (for long stealth, because usual stealth last 3 secs) 60 secs cd +
moving +
basilisk 45 secs cd +
wait for the stealth to end +
cnd 6 ini +
steal 45secs cd +
haste 60secs cd, remove all endurance and stop regenerating till it end +
BS (to be effective you must use it behind opponent) +
Hs spam =
you are dead with no defences.
seems problem is shadow refuge. and honestly i dont like stealth stack in duration.
i don’t want to defend thief (my class), it is very strond and it deserve some nerf.
ok everybody agree on this.
what i want to point out is the FACT that if a stealthed thief attack an opponent he receive a REVEALED debuff that last 3 secs. a thief with that debuff cannot enter stealth again till the debuff END
stop arguing about thief perma stelahted. it is rendering issue. an anet fault. the only build that abuse of the rendering issue is the condition thief.
a d/d thief has to be stealthed to use BS, which is 1 (one) single attack from stealth, then he receives the REVEALED debuff.
i am not arguing about the bs combo.
clearly you dont get it
first of you can see he kitten up the combo or just didn`t do it he opened with bs-hs-steal hasted ofc you know why.
second you can sr stealth and time your steal-c&d-bs just as your stealth ware off to not trigger revealed but this takes minimal skill so you wont see alot of thiefs do it.
third in this very game when i was aware of him he didn`t do jack kitten to me since you can predict avoid & react to this one trick pony and in fact i did.
the the problem lies when they start from stealth and headshot you under a second. and trust me if you play a engineer even if you spot him and avoid the combo you can easly be downed by a bad player anyway you need to play it flawless to win.
I do not know where you’ve pulled out all these deductions I would have done.
i just wrote again some thief mechanics a lot of players still don’t understand.
and sorry, maybe my bad english, maybe the forum filter, but i understood only the last sentence of your post.
so i can answer you. i can trust you, but you can trust me good engis use shield to defend the combo or use the invulnerability breakstun. doenst mean thief is uneffective against engis, but there are a few good defences against thief. just use them in time and thieves will be an easy deal. it is a matter of timing and skill.
@hanzo: i dont deny anything. but i don’t know why the paid META is not 2 bunkers 3 thief if they are so effective. you just need 2 point to take advantage. now you have the new meta build. enjoy
i don’t want to defend thief (my class), it is very strond and it deserve some nerf.
ok everybody agree on this.
what i want to point out is the FACT that if a stealthed thief attack an opponent he receive a REVEALED debuff that last 3 secs. a thief with that debuff cannot enter stealth again till the debuff END
stop arguing about thief perma stelahted. it is rendering issue. an anet fault. the only build that abuse of the rendering issue is the condition thief.
a d/d thief has to be stealthed to use BS, which is 1 (one) single attack from stealth, then he receives the REVEALED debuff.
just to reiterate, imho warriors are not bad, just players are lazy to find a new warrior meta.
as ranger prenerf atk speed = OP (balanced for ranger players)
after atk speed nerf = UP (balanced for NO-ranger players)
now it is quite usefull because someone found the way of the traps et simila.
imho warriors are a joke in tpvp because everyone build them as glasscannon. they have a lot of cc and good utility that are not abused because the “meta”. i think the role of the warrior could be different , but honestly i can’t help with build/traits, because i don’t play warrior. but imho there is something else stronger than gs-axe/shield around. but maybe you need to build the team around warrior to make it possible.,
this way, u choose what u miss. a day, soon, u will have everything unlocked, and u will start to whine again “there is nothgin to do with glory huehuehue”. i hate RNG, but merchant destroy economy (i buy abyss with glory, sell for money), and destroy the luck (till now i never found a single good rare that worth it. peace).
there is already a craft for dyes. use it and enjoy it.
people buy high rank chests? just buy low rank chests, salvage everything and then craft whatever gear you want with tons of glory left over to wait for another 10 ranks.
true.
rework the system, raise price of high rank chests
agreed, if theres any area you want to demonstrate your pvp prowess, its wvw
i’m guessing its to reduce the lag though, imagine 50 people all popping their bunny emotes at the same time?
maybe im mistaken. im not worried about thief. my first question is what i would like to receive an answer.
the discussion that led the team to use that build, the conviction of the teammate on using the composition and then to change, if necessary, also class.
how?
I’ll spare you the wait, all the answers you’ll ever get pretty much can be summarized into the following:
-Ele, Guardian, mesmer are OP
-Thief/warrior are UP
-Top teams ( The gods of this game) play 4 mesmer+1 ele or 4 guardian + ele or 5 eles
maybe my english is too bad. but i think that some good player can answer my question with no balance reference behind. or you could just rework my question so it won’t be mistaken
maybe im mistaken. im not worried about thief. my first question is what i would like to receive an answer.
the discussion that led the team to use that build, the conviction of the teammate on using the composition and then to change, if necessary, also class.
how?
try to read through the “qq” please.
META = team build
right now the META is ruled by strong streaming teams. as far as i can see there are few good builds (g,n,e,t,m or 2xele, or ranger/engi in this composition). but if some of you (strong streaming teams, or just normal teams) want to use some other kind of team build, how do you convince the rest of the team to try that? . if you have a teammate who played that core class for months, but he need to change to test something else, it is not that easy.
i play XXX class, if u ask me “change fromX build to Y”it is not a matter to me, but what if “XXX is no more core, roll a YYY”, how could i accept that ?
hoping my english was not that bad to receive an answer.
1) 30 Arcana to play effectively- check
2) Cantrips as they’re the only useful utilities – check
3) Water/arcana trait as the rest is almost garbage – check
How can a class be the strongest if they use 1/4 of their utilities, a single weapon set and 2/4 of their traits..it’s above me
So now instead of leaving people would just go and browse youtube and be afk for what? For you to stare at his model in the spawn longer?
well it is a bad closeminded post.
ofc i assume a good programmer fix the afk timer, put some “report” mode, like dota-lol-hon-everyother online game. then i hope there are not so many kitten around the game, probably because i play tourney and not hotjoints.
it is a game ok, but it needs time to be played. and it is a team game . so quitting you damage teammate’s fun and time. if you have IRL problems you should not start a game, and if it is a serious IRL problem, if the game is well programmed, you won’t be “banned” instantly.
so i agree, there should be something like gw1 RA deserter to prevent players from quitting matches.
so why should i look at entire list? if a non thief play more and have more qp how can thief itself be so op in your opinion quoted above?
and what is the point of union between more rapresentsative and qp?
what is the difference between a thief who come at you and when he steal u dodge and a mesmer who can dodge/spam clones and at a moment he swap u dodge? they both kill you at the end. want to reduce burst? ok reduce all burst. thx gg
you can see hb combo and see condi stacking. lowell kills people literally before visible and before reaction os possible
so it is a rendering/programming issue, not a class issue. nerfing thief won’t change that problem.
but as above im ok with nerfing. just to avoid “thief defending his class”. because you know, as thief, i fight against other thieves too. but rarely i whine, because sometimes i am better, sometimes they outplayed me. from what i read in forums, thief are all bad and everyone else is too pro to be beated by them, so it is obviously an “op class rol face on keyboard to kill” issue.
and to use the bs combo, u must be visible, because if u start cnd+steal in stealth, u will get reveal debuff. so what about nerf shadow refuge?
there is no skill either in 100b combo honestly. or Xcondi stack in necro, or “op dps” on ranger shortbow.
if you ask me “do you want thief to be nerfed?” i answer “ofc yes, but make it playable and competitive”.
there is a difference between my statement and yours.
and lowell’s personal opinion is only an opinion. anet should change it. we should only ADAPT to what anet wants for his game.
so l2adapt
edit: it is what i mean:
Philosophy inside weapons and class balance
We want every single class to feel like they have multiple options to deal with every situations, this doesn’t mean every class will have the exact same options.
We want every single class to deal situations in an unique manner – we keep “purity” in certain skills/traits i.e. only mesmers and thieves have stealth to deal with some situations. Not everyone have stealth but every class have a defensive mechanism they can use if they don’t stealth.
We want to bring up all the weak weapons/traits on par with strong weapons/builds/traits in addition to reduce AoE effectiveness.
A lot of classes have 1-2 good builds while some have 5-6 builds , we want to bring up all the classes to 5-6 good and viable builds.
This is such a horrible idea by the devs. AOE damage is already weak. In fact, they should be increasing the number of targets that AOE can hit from 5 to unlimited. AOE is easy to dodge and the 5 player limit just encourages stacking.
since this game has no pve-pve skill changing, this change will make eles op in wvwvw.
aoe is also sword, gs and stuff like that. so why do u go mad to 1 simple sentence insteaad of try to write a good quesiton in the right thread and hope they answer deeply to it?
as like other threads, stil better whine before l2 understand?
Welcome to the game. I am assuming you are quite new. Let me help you. First, there ARE differences between PVE and PVP. Devs are able to make changes to the classes in one or the other. They have done that in the past.
Second, AOE radius is quite small. Again, it is easy to dodge. It doesn’t make anything OP. You mention WvW. You should go try it sometime. What you will see is that a lot of better commanders have people “stack”. That means they stand on one point and only 5 people get hit by any one attack and everyone else is safe. That strategy should not be allowed.
yeah im new i play only since 25th august :/ .
i didnt know there were , for every class who can use aoes, some trait which enlarge the radius. maybe im too new.
but ofc, better be you and accept blindly what u say. u seem to have a lot of experience about random fix and random qq.
welcome to the game
This is such a horrible idea by the devs. AOE damage is already weak. In fact, they should be increasing the number of targets that AOE can hit from 5 to unlimited. AOE is easy to dodge and the 5 player limit just encourages stacking.
since this game has no pve-pve skill changing, this change will make eles op in wvwvw.
aoe is also sword, gs and stuff like that. so why do u go mad to 1 simple sentence insteaad of try to write a good quesiton in the right thread and hope they answer deeply to it?
as like other threads, stil better whine before l2 understand?
what if ythey plan to nerf aoe and stealth ?
how can u be so close minded?
we all know they will nerf everything they say “soon”, so we have at least 3-6months left
well i agree.