Guild Wars 2

Fizzee.1762:

Anet doesn’t give a flying Kitten about it’s *WvW*players as long as the Gems keep getting sold.

Fixed that for you.

And what incentive do WvW players have to buy gems? Nothing from the gem store works in WvW anymore, does it? Can we water balloon fight or costume brawl in WvW?

Loosmaster.8263:

If Green fills up first, boom overflow, while Blue and Red have the Outnumbered buff. For this to work correctly in WvWvW (3 sides is the key here), the system must be able to monitor population fluctuations on all 3 sides and keep them fairly close before even attempting to create an Overflow map.

There is so much that needs to be set and tested to ensure there is equality amongst all 3 sides. Megaserver does not do this atm. But it really doesn’t matter because at the end of the day what you ask for and what you get will be 2 totally different things because the Population was left out of the design.

I think this is what they are testing, or rather “working on.” They want to make sure that before another instance of the WvW map is opened, it can be sufficiently populated by all 3 sides so one side isn’t in the map running around completely unopposed. In PvE (and probably EotM) it doesn’t matter that if an instance is full and they open another instance, only five players are in that instance. If there’s an upcoming event, like Jormag or Teq, more people are on the way so those first 5 aren’t left to do the boss by themselves (like in the good ol’ days when you could brag you DID kill Jormag with 6 people and no one in LA would believe you. I have screen shots!). You can’t do this in WvW and keep things fair and balanced, so there would be a que until sufficient people from all three sides are queued up before another instance is opened to allow them in to fight each other.

Poor Swagger…. I feel for ya, bud. You can’t possible explain it more clearly, yet some people STILL don’t understand what you’re saying, when it’s as plain as the pixels on the page- er… screen. I think it might help to drop the term “megaserver” and instead say, “another instance of the map.” You and I know it’s the same thing, but it’ll make it easier for others to understand without them becoming confused.

Is the guy who made SAB still employed at Anet? I forget his name (Josh something?), but he used to post a lot on the forums until he got in trouble for it. Someone somewhere posted a link to his blog where he commented on having to have his posts reviewed before he posted them, contrary to what Gaile had said (she may have been unaware of this disciplinary action).

This is the largest and most viewed post in all the forums. Shouldn’t that tell you something, Anet?

displayname.8315:

EotM is not a megaserver

I beg to differ. How many instances of EotM are there at any given time? More than one. You go to EotM to play with a guildie, and he or she is not in the same instance of the map, so you join their instance and see that what’s been captured by each color is completely different than on the map you started on. That’s megaserver to me.

“The anti blob and zerg and “ktrain” arguments are really silly, because you want those blobs there to fight and do stuff…”

K-training and fighting are mutually exclusive. Have you ever tried to defend in EotM? You get people threatening to report you for griefing. Commanders in EotM actively try to avoid fights because most people are there to level up alts and get karma. I stopped playing EotM very early on because of this. I play WvW for fights. I’m a roamer and a scout; two things that you don’t find much of in EotM. Why? Because commanders don’t want a zerg vs.zerg fight in EotM while in WvW they do. Many WvW players have said on this forum, “EotM is not WvW,” and they are correct. While there are similarities, the mindset and goals of the players are very different.

I personally feel that one of the first nails in the coffin of WvW came when Anet removed the WvW maps from map completion to please the special snowflakes that couldn’t handle asking for help with a poi in a tower or running with the group/zerg/commander tag. I had never planned on becoming a WvW addict, but I had to go there for map completion and found out that I REALLY enjoyed it. It’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but you never know till you’ve tried. I didn’t like Cursed Shore before they nerfed the difficulty of the mobs, but I got map completion there before that happened. I sure didn’t come to the forums and beg for it to be removed from map completion.

I feel they made another mistake when they went free to play and didn’t keep closed servers closed, so that the new players would fill up the lower tier servers and maybe join their server mates in WvW. Yeah, some people complained that they couldn’t WvW with their friends on Blackgate or Yaks Bend, but was this a majority of the new players? I’d wager it wasn’t.

Anet has to be very careful when they destroy the server match-up system for their solution to population imbalance. And make no mistake- that’s what’s coming. Without giving rewards comparable to Silverwastes or HoT map events, what ever changes they make will most likely kill the game mode. It’s already the poorest reward structure in the game, with nothing exclusive for it like PvP has. Backpieces, armor, trinkets- none of that is exclusinve to WvW. When we had the infrequent tournaments, we received tokens that allowed us exclusive WvW weapon skins, and that was nice. WvW needs its own set of exclusive armor skins and back pieces not obtainable from any other game mode. It won’t save WvW, but it sure would help.

I got 2 from personal wintersday gifts, so they’re still available. You can also buy them on the TP; not sure the price.

Caliburn.1845’s second paragraph is it. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again- megaserver is coming to WvW, just like EotM. The sad thing is, this will kill WvW for those that play WvW regularly. If we wanted EotM, we’d play there. But we don’t.

Watched the video again, focusing on specific players, as well as the player who recorded it. Not sure if all the blinking around is from hacks or lag, but the blinking of a few toons (not going to put their names here cuz I don’t want to be infracted, but you can read their names) over much longer distances sure does look suspect. And the recorder had BIG skill lag. Any chance it could have been caused by recording? I have no idea- just asking if those in the know might know. I know a player that doesn’t use Teamspeak because it causes him to lag.

Dayra.7405:

Maybe put old and new BL maps under EotM-mode

I’m firmly of the belief that this is the “massive WvW update” that Anet is talking about; megaserver coming to WvW, no more server vs server. Borderlands and EBG.

If this happens, I’m pretty sure I’ll follow my guild leader and uninstall. And no, you can’t have my stuff because it’s all account and soulbound. Except the gold, and I know who I’ll give that to already.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Sinbold.8723:

Please mention your server when making statements that seem to include everyone in the game. I’m on Ehmry Bay, and I can tell you that GoM and NSP are EXTREMELY active on our desert borderland, and we on theirs. We’ve had some great fights over the oasis (like last night where we lost by one core), some great defending of our Undercroft by our enemies, making it difficult but fun for us to take it back. Once you get used to the map its as easy to navigate as Alpine was. Getting used to it is the thing- and some of you don’t want to take the time to do that. That’s not Anet’s fault, that’s your fault.

What you don’t seem to get is that people don’t enjoy the map. Why get used to it if you don’t enjoy it? This isn’t a job. People are here for fun. The map is not fun. And it’s Anet who is in charge of making it fun. So yes, it is indeed Anet’s fault.

People from YOUR server maybe, but read my post again. “I’m on Ehmry Bay, and I can tell you that GoM and NSP are EXTREMELY active on our desert borderland, and we on theirs.”

So what server are you on?

I have no idea, just throwing it out there in case someone with more knowledge knows.

Offair.2563:

They " fixed" this yeah, aswell clipping walls.

Sarcasm?

Example: our server held Undercroft on another server’s bl, and two of us decided to defend while a group of about 15-20 came to take it back. Their first mistake was not taking the shrines to deny us the fire portals and the safety of standing in the lava. We had fun with defensive siege before they broke inner, and before they could get to the lord, we set up a balista at the supply dump you run by to get to the lord. Their zerg ignored us, ran past to the lord, and began to fight. One of us manned the balista, the other stood in the lava at times, and we focused one target at a time and killed several attackers. They finally decided, after losing half their group to us and the lord, that maybe we should be focused and killed. However, the WP remained uncontested, which I have to point out is not our fault. One player attacking a guard or hitting a gate would have contested the WP for another 3 minutes. So after we were killed and the WP was still available, were we to say, “Well, they got us! It would be unfair to WP and continue to defend the keep, so let’s respawn at our WP in the lower corner and hope we can run back in time to continue fighting!” That’s exactly what YOU would do, right?

In the heat of the moment (pardon the Undercroft pun), I’m sure 100% pf WvW players would use the uncontested WP in Undercroft to continue defending. Which we did, and wiped every single attacker. Not only once, but twice. On their THIRD attempt, they were smart enough to take the shrines to deny us the fire portals and the safety of the lava. We were then hit with a new build, and we all got dumped to LA.

I’m pretty sure that doesn’t qualify as an exploit in the way Anet defines exploits.

Yeah, that ONE Vet Archer in the green keep on EBG must LOVE killing those drakes. He makes the keep WP contested for about 75% of my play time on EBG. Maybe he’s trying to level up to unlock his elite spec?

I watched the video, but that horrible sound (I think it was someone’s idea of music?!) made me watch it without sound. I didn’t notice skill lag or rubberbanding- can someone give me a time stamp on where this might happen in the listed video?

As to skill lag during the oasis event- I have never experienced this, even with groups the size shown in the video. Never. Not once. Ever. I WAS using an nVidia GTX 660 which burned out (after only 2 years? C’mon, nVidia!) and was replaced with what I thought was a better GT 730 card, but gives me worse performance at the same settings, so I’ve had to dial down things like post processing and reflections. But I still have no lag during the oasis event. So if some people have lag and others don’t, can you blame it on Anet? If you do blame Anet, why do people like me not experience it ever, at all, at any time during the event? Please don’t argue that I’m lying or that I do experience lag but don’t notice- that will only be counter-productive and not help the issue. If you’re experiencing lag, what speed is your internet connection (I think this is where laggers will find some commonality, but I’m not sure)? Are you wireless or not? What graphics card are you using?

Ban hammer for using a WP? Really? You expect an entire group of players to say, “Well, that would be impolite to use the WP, so let’s go to our spawn and run back from there, like it should be if there were no bugs.” It’s Anet’s fault, not the player’s fault.

Yeah, the WP bug needs to get fixed. We were defending Undercroft on an enemy BL, just 2 of us, against 10-12 enemies, and were able to hold it because we could just WP right back into the fray. Granted, the enemy wasn’t too smart in their tactics because they didn’t take any shrines, so we had the lava and lava portals in our favor, but the WP should have been contested for us and it wasn’t. I’m sure our enemies weren’t too thrilled. We drove them out twice, just 2 of us, before the new build hit (on Jan. 5) and we were all booted from wvw.

Just logged in and went to Necropolis to check, and I was roughly 650 game units from the gate. No way anything from a rev hammer or ele staff (might have been druid from the sound) should have hit me.

Please mention your server when making statements that seem to include everyone in the game. I’m on Ehmry Bay, and I can tell you that GoM and NSP are EXTREMELY active on our desert borderland, and we on theirs. We’ve had some great fights over the oasis (like last night where we lost by one core), some great defending of our Undercroft by our enemies, making it difficult but fun for us to take it back. Once you get used to the map its as easy to navigate as Alpine was. Getting used to it is the thing- and some of you don’t want to take the time to do that. That’s not Anet’s fault, that’s your fault.

What ABSOLUTELY IS ANET’S FAULT is the stuff that’s killing the WvW game. As Aeowia.7214 mentions above, “imbalanced new skills, stability vs CC resulting in ranged nuking, pay to win banners and other impossible to describe features brought in by the new PvE based grind guild features.”

Really. I should have taken a screen shot of it, but I was so dumbfounded, having thought this issue was fixed. Ele staff as well. On the desert BL last night, we missed the oasis event by one core (fun fights in the middle though!). So we all run around repairing our damaged gates. I’m in Necropolis and hear enemies approaching the gate while I’m inside running supply to the gate. Enemies notice gate is being repaired, and BOOM! Rev hammer and ele staff 2-shot me for a little over 19k health and I go to downed. When this happened, I was a good 10-15 game feet inside the gate, not kneeling in the repair position, and the CoR ground animation and ele staff ray were visible coming through the gate.

Big deal, some might say. But I’m in a large guild where our leader, who unfortunately was ALSO our SCRIBE, resigned his leadership and left the game. Left. Never to return. He’s playing some dinosaur game now. I’m guessing his wife, who also played, has left, too. Check your metrics. Yeah, people are coming back to the desert borderlands, but broken stuff like ONE overpowered class hitting players through gates is causing others to uninstall. I used to recommend this game to my friends, and when it went f2p I let them know but warned them that a lot of stuff was broken. What I get now is, “That game looks good. Have they fixed all the broken stuff yet?” And I say, “Nope. Don’t download it yet.”

Please fix your copulating broken stuff.

What is this video supposed to show? It’s titled “Epic fight in the desert borderlands” and appears to be just that.

Whaaaat?!?! Where is this?

I’d like to see Marjory and Kasmeer killed off. Then maybe those obnoxious kids in LA near the bank would shut up about them.

Guess I should play my ele more. Didn’t know mist form was a stun break. I got a lot of practice with downed state on my thief for the short time I played thief, then went back to my mesmer and felt short changed.

Mesmer’s downed state skill 2, which you refer to above, only teleports in a random direction. So if they’re lucky enough to make that door to the tower, it was a one in a hundred chance. Thief is the one that can teleport to where ever they want in a downed state. I main a mesmer in WvW, so this has frustrated me on numerous occasions.

Other than that, I agree with your post. Eles have that mist form scoot away skill when they’re down- why can’t that be negated by an immobilization? Or my mesmer’s random junky teleport, or the thief’s targeted teleport? I’m of the opinion that if we have an imob ready to go, we should be able to use it to hold that downed state player for a stomp. Stability works against the guardian’s knockback, right? So why not immob the downed? Is this logical? No.

Btw, duo Overlook lately? (That was me on my ranger/druid with you a few weeks ago at Overlook-epic cap!)

Dawdler.8521:

I’ll give you a hint – the first half of each day block is 00:00 to 12:00.

In whose time zone? Yours? So the “problem” is you-centric?

Regarding your graph, Mark Twain said it best: There are lies, kitten ed lies, and statistics.

Logged in just so I could plus one Yuffi.2430’s posts. I wish I could give each a +1,000. We’re of a similar mind on this topic, and you hit the nail on the head with your bolded sentence about no one from their server being on to re-cap objectives. It’s a recruiting problem for their server- nothing more. Gideon Ravenor.5603 may work 9am-6pm and play WvW from 8pm to 10 pm. But what about players that work from 8pm-5am and play WvW from 7am to 9am? Sorry, but the world of GW2 doesn’t revolve around you. All this “Please shut down the game while I’m asleep so my server can win,” is garbage. It’s a freaking GAME fer crissakes, and it runs 24/7/365.

How about this: “Dear Anet: Please stop the Mordrem from taking the Pact camps in Auric Basin during non-prime time play. Its not fair that I put so much time into defending these camps only to lose them when I go to bed.”

Oh, and here’s one I dug up from 1942: “Dear Geneva Convention: Please stop the RAF from bombing us at night. We’re tired and trying to rest so we can fight during the day, and all this non-prime time bombing is demotivating, demoralising and downright broken. Sincerely, The Luftwaffe.”

This sentence sums it up nicely: “Then, those objectives tick for them over an 8-10 hour period, massively influencing the scoreboard and basically negating anything I might have achieved in the few hours I was able to play the game.” Yes, because it’s all about what you contributed, and not anyone else contributed(sarcasm).

Non-HoT players wouldn’t be able to glide on the new bl’s, which would give HoT players an advantage. I’m sure Anet wants to avoid that.

I posted this in another thread, but it should be here too:

Weird things going on with the Wintersday servers. Yesterday I was in the jp when the score window popped up (I hate that- if you’re jumping it can make you miss). Showed everyone’s score and seemed to send everyone back to the start. So there I am at the start, and I notice that I’m the only one in the instance. So I did the jp 4 or 5 times till I got my 15, and not once did anyone else enter the instance. I had it to myself for 10 minutes or so. And I KNOW that there were people experiencing the “world is full” bug while I was alone in the instance, because I asked when I left my very own instance.

I posted this in another thread, but it should go here as well:

Weird things going on with the Wintersday servers. Yesterday I was in the jp when the score window popped up (I hate that- if you’re jumping it can make you miss). Showed everyone’s score and seemed to send everyone back to the start. So there I am at the start, and I notice that I’m the only one in the instance. So I did the jp 4 or 5 times till I got my 15, and not once did anyone else enter the instance. I had it to myself for 10 minutes or so. And I KNOW that there were people experiencing the “world is full” bug while I was alone in the instance, because I asked when I left my very own instance.

You need to drink more than 300 per day while the event is going on to get the achievement done. If you’re not buying all you can from the TP, you won’t get it done.

Weird things going on with the Wintersday servers. Yesterday I was in the jp when the score window popped up (I hate that- if you’re jumping it can make you miss). Showed everyone’s score and seemed to send everyone back to the start. So there I am at the start, and I notice that I’m the only one in the instance. So I did the jp 4 or 5 times till I got my 15, and not once did anyone else enter the instance. I had it to myself for 10 minutes or so. And I KNOW that there were people experiencing the “world is full” bug while I was alone in the instance, because I asked when I left my very own instance.

Since we jumped to tier 4 this week, I’m guessing Mag will be defending heavily all week. I’m looking forward to finding out. But yeah, it WAS reset night, so we’ll see.

STILL!?!?!? This was supposed to have been fixed. Here’s my suggestion for players that experience this: go to the exploiters home BL and flip everything you can.

A small group of us decided to hit Mag’s Air Keep last night. Their home BL got filled pretty quick after the swords popped, and we had some great fights. There are a lot of points on the BL’s, more than are available in EBG. Go to someone else’s BL and start flipping towers, camps, and shrines. They’ll come defend. Unless you’re in a lower population tier, ofc.

Huge logic fail on Anet’s part. How is it that a programmer can fail at logic? Isn’t programming a logic thing? Look at PvP- that’s all account wide. Why can’t WvW proofs be account bound? I read the Anet response- it fails the logic test.

Depends on your server, I guess. Ehmry Bay has been lucky enough for the last few weeks to have decent play on the home bl’s, as well as on EBG. Big thank you to the mid tier servers’ players for not quitting!

I REALLY hope we can make our own parties for it this season.

Gold sellers get your account name from the leader boards, so if you’re low in Achievement Points, you won’t get many, if any at all, whispers. While I’m not the highest by any stretch, I have over 20k and I seem to get several per day.

Well, that’s one reason we got a reset change- so this type of thing could be fixed- “This change will give our team an extra day of the week that they can use to respond to issues that may occur with WvW…”

So they’ll get right on that…

I think Anet let slip a little bug that may say mega-server is coming to WvW. While playing on Desert BL and seeing one of my guild mates on the guild list was also on the same BL, I opened the map to look for his yellow dot. It was difficult to see, like 50% transparent, and when I moused over it, the tool tip read, “This player is in a different instance of this map.”

Uhhhh…. isn’t there only one instance of each Desert BL? For now, yes… but what is the tool tip giving away?

Bowl of Orrian Truffle and Meat Stew, +40% to your Endurance refill rate. This really helps speed up your golems. I’ve been using it for a while and before the change, I was faster than people with Trav runes. Now that the runes don’t work, I highly recommend making a stack of bowls for your golems.

Logged in so I could +1 your post, TheThinker.8461. I wish I could +1,000 it because it nails so much of what upsets us WW players. I agree 100% with everything you said above.

Who came up with all that scribe stuff, and who thought it would be a good idea for WvW? Seriously….

Remember when Anet said they had no plans for an x-pack? All new content was supposed to be delivered via Living Story every 2 weeks. Then the forums started filling up with people wanting Cantha and Elona, followed by people wanting updated versions of Factions and Nightfall (GW1 stand-alone expansions), and people like myself wanting our Prophecies GW1 map to be completed in GW2. I was content to wait for these areas to be opened up in LS seasons, but many and more were crying,
“X-pack plz!” Well, what they wanted and what Anet delivered were 2 different things. People said they’d pay for Cantha and Elona expansions, but Anet heard “I’ll pay for an expansion!” so they figured we’d ALL pay for future Living Stories to fill our our Prophecies map.

Now they’re making the same mistake in WvW. Because people in the lower tier servers complain about unbalanced coverage and a litany of other things, people in the mid to high tiers have to lose what they like to make a vocal minority happy.

Apparently more than one thread was deleted. Logged in to check which of the many posts I’d made in the last 4 days on the WvW topic was in a deleted thread, and guess what? I now have NO posts from the last 4 days….. GG, Anet. Way to squash the rumor mill.

Jayne.9251:

In effect they draw faster dev attention to the issue than a thousand thread posts would ever do.

Let’s hope!

Wow, WvW is in a horrible place right now. Many and more are avoiding the desert borderlands, and EBG has this terrible exploitable issue. Lucky for me, my guild is playing the borderlands, but with this issue, I personally have been avoiding EBG unless there’s a call-out for defense. Even then, though, it cheeses me off to no end that people are exploiting this glitch. So when it happens, I look to see what server the exploiter is from and then go to their borderland and flip as much as I can to make me feel better.

Sviel.7493:

Perhaps the best change of all is that no keep can be taken, outer and inner, with one set of catas.

Actually, you CAN use one set for outer and inner. And the sweet spots are relatively easy to find- the map marks destructible walls, and the new range finder is easy to use. Just put a personal waypoint on the map to measure distance. The only place I haven’t found a sweet spot so far is the fire keep. But if it’s there, I’ll find it.

Cerby.1069, unless you are a stranger to the WvW forums here, you ’ll have noted that pretty much any time someone mentions EotM, several players respond with, “EotM is not real WvW”. It is these people I am referring to in the above post.

Please re-read the post and tell me where I said anyone wants anything. In fact, you’ll notice the word “want” does not show up in the post.

“If they don’t care enough to talk about it on the forums, then they likely don’t care enough to quit if changes are made.” Did you just make a claim “on behalf of ‘other’ people.”? Doh!

So….if you reduce the PPT at some random time when it’s night somewhere on the planet, what’s your incentive to go take that reduced point tower? I’d REALLY like to know.