Guild Wars 2

Comprissent.3856:

celeron.3469:

Where are the mag roamers at this time? I’m on SoR BL not sure where the guys in front of BG spawn went.

Mag is dead soon as midnight PST rolls around, no roamers or zergs GG

That’s because once the clock strikes midnite, our zerg ball turns into a pumpkin, and our roamers turn back into mice.

There’s the Chinese version of Guild Wars 2, but it’s licensed to a separate producer. If you pay on their servers, you’ll be cut off from the rest of us.

holodoc.5748:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Did you guys kill both Krait that guard each Obelisk? Or were they already dead from a previous player, and you communed with an unguarded Obelisk?

An interesting idea since if I recall correctly one of the obelisks in Sparkfly Fan wasn’t guarded when I reached it. But why would engaging the enemy be a requirement for communing with the stone?

It might not be a required task, but rather an unintended bug. I got my 24/24 by going after each Obelisk, and killing all Krait (a majority by myself).

Astral Projections.7320:

I hadn’t considered Smooth Penguin’s version of events because I’m so desperate for Dark Matter that I don’t sell any exotics now, but he’s right. People need to craft large numbers of exotics for level 500 crafting and if you don’t need Dark Matter then it’s better to sell for 2 gold and recoup the costs as much as possible. When you combine this with people who sell without considering the cost of crafting, it keeps the prices artificially low.

People need Dark Matter. But there’s a point where the person needs to look at how much they need, and how much money you lose each time you salvage a lv 80 Exotic. Unless Anet brings out something that requires 250 Dark Matter, reselling or forging are the only options.

Edit – Now that I think about it, maybe getting 250 Dark Matter wouldn’t be so bad. You never know what Anet will bring out that requires insane amounts of rare mats.

I’m ready to make a profit by selling mats once they skyrocket in price! Because for every person saving up mats to make their own armors, there’s 100 more who didn’t plan ahead.

Ricky.4706:

no, I see whats going on. no sense in debating about it further.

I’m glad you understand now.

Ricky.4706:

i showed the math. – and the erratic timing. – obviously this is supposed to be considered normal.

What math is needed? You can craft Exotics for free too you know. Should I show you a snapshot of my bank?

In any case, there’s no conspiracy here. Just because you think it’s expensive and unaffordable, doesn’t mean someone else is willing to pay the price to max their crafting for Ascended.

They might, one day, have the tools to reverse incidents like this. No guarantees though. Taking account snapshots of each account is resource consuming enough as is. Not sure how much more coding it would take to have to also track Guild Banks.

Ricky.4706:

what value ? making quick gold. if the dupe theory is correct – they are duping one item – and that’s why they aren’t selling it in mats.

40 orichalcum ore to make that costs 2.1gold
5 ecto to make that costs 1.74gold
30 ancient logs to make that costs 1.87 gold
5 claws to make that costs – 75 silver.

the carver is listed at 2gold.

the random players theory just doesn’t add up in bulk.

Ahem…

Smooth Penguin.5294:

I’m an expert in debunking silly conspiracy threads. Allow me to explain what happened.

When you want to craft Ascended gear, you must level your crafting level to 500. In order to do this, you MUST craft Exotic items up to lv 450. Due to this, you’ll normally have an excess amount of Exotics that you don’t want.

Here’s the part you may not understand until you’ve been in our shoes. We spend a lot of money to make those useless Exotics. The choice we have at that point is to either Salvage them for Dark Matter, or sell them to recoup part of our expenses. When you do the latter, you take a huge loss if you want to sell quickly.

In my case, I salvaged enough Exotics to get over 60 Dark Matter. I don’t need anymore, so now my only choice is to sell on the TP. Because the Exotics I crafted may not sell, I have to either fill Buy Orders, or place them at a price low enough that will make people want to buy them.

So what you’re seeing isn’t hacks or dupes. It’s basically impatient sellers, such as myself, who’ll take massive losses to get back at least some Gold.

Essence Snow.3194:

So Ryobe was you? You went and used a secondary account to answer a question that you refused to answer on your primary?

I answered the question, and then after you didn’t want to believe it, you accidentally answered it yourself by using flawed arguments. It was quite amazing actually. I’ve never won a debate by losing it, so it this was a first.

Calae.1738:

The exchange rate will probably never swing the other way. I’m convinced Mr. Smith will make sure it doesn’t.

It’ll have swings, because there are people willing to exchange Gems for Gold when the rates are delicious enough. John doesn’t ever have to touch the Exchange’s formula.

I’m an expert in debunking silly conspiracy threads. Allow me to explain what happened.

When you want to craft Ascended gear, you must level your crafting level to 500. In order to do this, you MUST craft Exotic items up to lv 450. Due to this, you’ll normally have an excess amount of Exotics that you don’t want.

Here’s the part you may not understand until you’ve been in our shoes. We spend a lot of money to make those useless Exotics. The choice we have at that point is to either Salvage them for Dark Matter, or sell them to recoup part of our expenses. When you do the latter, you take a huge loss if you want to sell quickly.

In my case, I salvaged enough Exotics to get over 60 Dark Matter. I don’t need anymore, so now my only choice is to sell on the TP. Because the Exotics I crafted may not sell, I have to either fill Buy Orders, or place them at a price low enough that will make people want to buy them.

So what you’re seeing isn’t hacks or dupes. It’s basically impatient sellers, such as myself, who’ll take massive losses to get back at least some Gold.

Account restorations are connected to player accounts. Items in Guild Banks cannot be rolled back like a character account, so everything that was stolen, is gone forever unfortunately.

All you can do is be more careful in the future. There is no undo button for bad mistakes.

This is proof that RNG works!

Essence Snow.3194:

Thank you for this……

If you read down a few posts from where I initially asked this question I ended up having to answer it myself.

No problem. I’m more than happy to educate the masses on things like the game’s economy. Not everyone went to college for business, so don’t beat yourself up too hard, since I already explaned that you answered your own questions yesterday. Even though you thought you didn’t understand what was going on, take heart in knowing that your efforts to question things lead to it’s own answer. That’s true enlightenment.

I’ve deciphered the code, and finally understand what the complainers are advocating. They don’t want a dynamic, game wide Open Market. They want a glorified Merchant who will buy their goods for high prices, and resell it for low.

In effect, they don’t want to take one pizza, and share it with 12 people. They want to take one pizza, and magically copy it so that each of the 12 people have 100 pizzas.

Kiff.8157:

I have a serious question since this is a press release. Miss Fannwong, how do you see this committe in next five years and your marriage with Christopher Lee?

Edit: sorry make that two questions

You mean Christopher DANGER?

Gilgamesh.7364:

robocafaz.9017:

Shunt.6254:

In this situation red = most skilled, blue/green = most blobs.

Quoted for truth.

You’re right, true winners play for 3rd place!

First is the worst.
Second is the best.
Third is the one with the really hairy chest.

:3

tolunart.2095:

Of course, the champ trains run 24/7 and create money out of thin air, if you don’t like playing the TP. It requires nothing more than the ability to move your character from place to place and press 1.

Be careful. People will start to say it’s unfair for that player to press only 1, while the other guy needs to press 2, 3, and sometimes 4. Then they’ll want more cooldowns, so you can’t press 1 so often.

Essence Snow.3194:

~~snip~~

Sorry mate. I don’t think we can make it any more simple than the previous posts. Just as a helpful tip, it’s not good to be jealous of success.

Jealousy leads to hate. Hate leads to fear. And fear leads to the systematic denial of given answers to the topic at hand.

JaredKincade.9761:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

JaredKincade.9761:

Just so everyone is clear. Blackgate warchest has struck again. We’ve paid the Maguuma commanders a total of 20k gold to double team SOR all week long.

They weren’t going to fight before we paid them, because we all know that the lowly tier 2 servers actually don’t like winning, and trying for 2nd place without “motivation” is beyond them.

That is all.

I didn’t receive my Gold in the mail yet. This might be a bug, so I submitted a report. Hopefully Devon can fix this so I can pick up the Gold, or I won’t be taking SM all week.

Ok, I’ve sent a mail to the right people, but they don’t seem to be responding.

My advice would be to completely stop WvWing until this problem can be resolved. It shouldn’t be too hard, since any T2 server doesn’t really fight anyway unless BG pays them.

Expect your payment shortly.

Thanks mate! It really sucks being poor and unskilled. While I wait for the mail, I’ll be sure to run from all fights and hide in towers. Except for when BG outnumbers SoR on the open field. Then I’ll rush in to get some tags, since that’s the only way I can get loot bags in T1.

Essence Snow.3194:

tolunart.2095:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

I think we’ve moved beyond the discussions at hand, and now it’s become a personal crusade against people who do well in this game. There’s another word for that.
.

It always was. There’s a difference between seeking answers and seeking validation.

Then why won’t anyone answer the question directly? They always sidestep it and argue things that are not pertinent to the case at hand. I explained why they are not, yet every reply I get is exactly the same sidestep.

It’s like those congressional questions that are yes or no and the responder simply will not answer yes or no.

The questions were all answered. You just don’t understand it or won’t accept it. It’s like a 5th grader refusing to believe there is no Santa Claus. The proper term is called “denial”.

JaredKincade.9761:

Just so everyone is clear. Blackgate warchest has struck again. We’ve paid the Maguuma commanders a total of 20k gold to double team SOR all week long.

They weren’t going to fight before we paid them, because we all know that the lowly tier 2 servers actually don’t like winning, and trying for 2nd place without “motivation” is beyond them.

That is all.

I didn’t receive my Gold in the mail yet. This might be a bug, so I submitted a report. Hopefully Devon can fix this so I can pick up the Gold, or I won’t be taking SM all week.

Yaro. Does this mean SoR is playing for 1st place Gold League???

Essence Snow.3194:

This is your answer? Really? Players can work around the imposed limitations? Exploit or minimize?

I think we’ve moved beyond the discussions at hand, and now it’s become a personal crusade against people who do well in this game. There’s another word for that.

I answered your questions in different ways, and even John’s chimed in to explain stuff. Have a good day.

So you want Anet to create an item that allows players to automate/bot their buffs?

I think they should first have a meeting to plan on a meeting that will vote on a subcommittee in charge of assigning representatives for the WvW Committee.

And all this should be done before SoR looses to Maguuma this week.

Did you guys kill both Krait that guard each Obelisk? Or were they already dead from a previous player, and you communed with an unguarded Obelisk?

Essence Snow.3194:

It’s like simplifying factions by cancelling like terms. In our case the like terms are skill and time. What’s left are game limitations.

Profit influenced by skill in all other methods will still be limited by the game……ie a players skill cannot overcome the limits that the game has put into effect….dr… farm nerfs….dungeon reward changes…etc etc via skill.

So in essence when playing the tp the only limits is are based on individual skill and other players.

In all other methods it’s based on individual skill, time and GAME LIMITATIONS.

Again acquisition…..not creation……..

/sigh

You do realize that all items available from on the TP comes from other players? And with that in mind, think about how these players acquire the items. They come from the game.

In order for an item to be acquired, it must be created. They are created via drops from enemy loot, JP and Dungeon chests, and WvW rank rewards. The very things you keep talking about with limitations. So because your “limitations” exist before they’re ever put on the Trading Post to begin with, you answered your own question.

While there’s the “limitations” you speak of, or rather, Diminishing Returns (DR), there are ways around it. Players with knowledge of how it works can effectively minimize the impact of DR. This knowledge (or skill if you’re so inclined) helps to increase your money making capabilities.

With that said, whether we’re talking about the Trading Post or talking about Farming, a skilled player will know how to make efficient use of either mechanic. The only “limitations” to making money, are the player’s dedication to the task. Once you take the time to learn what you’re doing, you become good at it. Now if you think that’s unfair, then perhaps we should end the discussions here.

Essence Snow.3194:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

John answered your question, as did I. Please scroll up.

Uhmmm…. I don’t believe so. He kinda sidestepped it. He put in info about the subject without addressing the main question.

Ya’ll keep saying skill…when skill has nothing to do with the question.

It has everything to do with the question, and John verified it. If you don’t know what you’re doing, you can’t play the Trading Post game effectively. I think you’re purposely ignoring the fact presented by us in an attempt to hammer down your points of view.

Let me put it this way. It’s a fact that it takes skill to be successful. You only think there’s no skill involved, which is proof that you don’t understand how it works. And that’s fine. I’m not an expert on everything either. But I also don’t pretend to understand something when I don’t.

And as for the finite amount of Gold. The TP, as we’ve been saying, is limited. Gold isn’t created by the tool. Gold is “transferred” by it between players, and 15% of it is destroyed by the programmed Gold Sink. That means the Gold is permanently taken out of the economy. Now if you’re saying that the available Gold is unlimited, then our points would be invalid, and you’d be correct. However, that’s not the case, and never will be.

John Smith.4610:

Here is my stance on this subject:
The TP is part of Tyria and is a part of the game. Spending your time learning to interact with it is a fine way to play the game if that’s what you enjoy. It has ups and downs (including no exp, karma, achievements).

The amount of money to be made on the TP is finite. There is no way it can’t be, the TP only ever sinks money, it never creates it. The TP offers convenience to trade outside of equilibrium pricing, and if a player decides to step in and take the time and effort to consume that trade and push the trade into equilibrium, that is great for the economy. It pushed prices towards equilibrium, provides a service to those who want convenience and sinks money all at the same time.

Trading takes skill, and lots of it, it cannot be argued otherwise and here is why. Because the profit is so limited, the profit has to be split between all the people effectively trading. The lower the skill cap, the more people trading effectively, the less profit individuals make until there’s no longer a real market. If one argues that there is money to be made, then you are arguing that skill is involved.

Thank you for your input, as always, John. It’s nice to have an expert such as yourself to solidify the facts on one my points.

Essence Snow.3194:

That’s fine and dandy and all, but it still does not address the point. Why are game written limitations put on all other methods of earning gold and not on trading?

And what of the effects excessive amounts of gold in a very funneled proportiuon of the population have on various item prices?

Neither of those points are ever addressed. Why?

PS How is money able to made off the TP finite? Mind you we have not been debating gold creation, just gold acquisition. I think you might have missed a bit there.

John answered your question, as did I. Please scroll up.

Essence Snow.3194:

There are limits yes, but not ones put in place by the game. How many times do I need to repeat this? There is nothing invalid about that.

That is the difference…..the game itself makes it unbalanced…not the players.

We’re making progress. You finally admit limits exist. Now if you would only understand that you’re advocating for the game to put artificial barriers to TP players’ skills in trading. That’s not asking for the game to be balanced. That’s wanting what I have worked hard to get, but not wanting to put forth the same efforts to get it.

Just make it a free-for-all battle royale, where everyone is marked as an enemy invader, even those from your own server.

Essence Snow.3194:

It makes sense b/c it is something the game bounds us by. It’s dependent on the game. That’s the bit you don’t seem to understand. I do not invalidate skill at all. You keep saying I am, but I am not concerned with it, only the mechanics of the game and the bounds in which they set.

The game sets no limits on the trading post. The game sets limits on all other methods of earning gold. What’s so hard to understand there?

It’s hard to understand, because your points are invalid. You can’t just wake up and decide to be a TP player. You work at it, learn how to do it, and apply the knowledge. Just like PvPing. It’s takes skill. And not the type of skill where you press a button and it activates. I’m talking “skill” as in applying knowledge and experience.

And as for limits. Because you don’t understand how the Trading Post works, it’s hard to describe to you that there are, in fact, limits. I’ll try my best one more time:

Money on the Black Lion Trading Post is finite. Meaning, there’s a set amount available, which is the banks of the players who are willing to make transactions. Profit making potential is determined by the item, the Demand for said item, Supply or rarity of said item, the willingness of the players to purchase said item, and the competition of other TP players.

There isn’t one magical player who controls all goods and prices. The Trading Post is in fact a real time, dynamic tool that all players game wide can use.

cesmode.4257:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

There’s still 53 days left in 2013. I would recommend a bit of patience before worrying about it.

Side note – Evon’s fractal would probably have been out already, since he knows what he’s doing, and has connections that Kiel doesn’t. But alas, you get what you voted for.

I hope you arent serious.

We’ll never know, since the masses didn’t vote in Evon for Council.

Essence Snow.3194:

That limit is not enforced by the game the way it is set up. There is a difference.

Subjective

Not all prices are set by all players….we’ve covered this before.

This has next to nothing to do with individual skill. It has to do with how the game is set up. In your example if WM all played an unbalanced profession vs a team of randoms on every other profession, then it would work as an analogy.

You keep repeating the same analogies which are incorrect.

You keep bringing up profession balance when that makes absolutely no sense. [WM] is a pro-gaming guild. Pro-gamers who have the potential to make more money in a year than the governor of my state. They’re good based on their skill level. The fact that you deny this invalidates your attempted points.

As for TP trading, it takes skill, know-how, and experience. If it didn’t, you’d be doing it too, and we wouldn’t be having this conversation about lack of opportunity to make money.

And… as you don’t seem to understand how the Trading Post works, players are the ones who determine prices. They post Buy Orders. They post goods as Sell Orders. Demand for specific items determine prices on the Open Market.

I think you’ll be able to bring more to this discussion once you have an understanding about the current market, and how things work. I firmly believe that all these misunderstandings between us are due to this.

There’s still 53 days left in 2013. I would recommend a bit of patience before worrying about it.

Side note – Evon’s fractal would probably have been out already, since he knows what he’s doing, and has connections that Kiel doesn’t. But alas, you get what you voted for.

Essence Snow.3194:

1) The key word in the analogy was “IF”. “If” one profession was unbalanced it would create issues.

2)Every other method of obtaining gold in the game besides playing the tp (and rl cash into gold) has a limit. A limit to which it doesn’t matter how efficient one is at it. They will be unable to earn past a certain point based on measures put forth by the game. Playing the trading post has no such limits.

That is one of the reasons it is unbalanced. ~Limits vs No Limits~

3) Be realistic….gold has a major impact on the game.

Please realize that unbalanced aspects of the game are far reaching. If you are on the unbalanced side and profiting as such, obviously you wouldn’t want to give such a thing up. If it didn’t have effects on others it wouldn’t matter, but we are all tied together.

Let me address point #2 and #3, as the first one would belong in the SPvP forums.

There are limits to what a TP player can make. That limit is based on other players. If other players are unwilling to pay for my goods, I make no money. If other players undercut my goods, it can take longer to sell if I don’t repost and take a loss of the non-refundable posting fee.

Gold has a major impact… only when it’s needed. You want to buy 250 Silver Doubloons? Sure you’ll need lots of Gold. But if you just want to play the game to have fun, having 2 Gold is far more than enough to pay for WP costs and armor repairs.

Players make the choice on how they want to play the game. You made the choice that you need a lot of Gold to buy stuff, so I can’t fault you for that. I will, however, fault you if you say you’re entitled to the same amount of Gold that I have, when you won’t put forward the efforts I did to obtain it.

Balance by means of an individual’s skill will never exist. You take a pro gaming guild like War Machine [WM], and you pit them against a group of new players, and the result will always lean one way. Would you demand that Anet put in nerfs so that [WM] wouldn’t be so effective? No, you wouldn’t and shouldn’t. Just as you can’t ask Anet to nerf TP players simply because they know what they’re doing.

Yumiko Ishida.3769:

I shared it once before in my own thread and another twice already it was ignored as most of my intelligent constructive posts are.

Barely anyone does in it TC since the bots were removed form WvW. Infact, I believe every level of “skritt bag of shinies” has a chance of all douboon types in it (except t1).

You’re not supposed to share trade secrets of farmers

I commend you for being so forthcoming by sharing your knowledge with the masses.

Time to move to other money making areas when competition drops bag profits

Brother Grimm.5176:

I do think ANet will in some way relax the time-gating for Celestial items in the near future. It is a crafting anomaly that is difficult to justify WHY it still exist as it does.

I do hope they fix by letting me sell my charged crystals…. I only ever make a few Celestial weapons and a piece of jewelry now and then.

Because Anet made the decision to allow time gated Ascended mats to be traded on the TP, it would make sense for them to allow Charged Quartz Crystals to do the same. However, I would rather they take out the Ascended stuff on the TP, and make them all Account Bound.

Yumiko Ishida.3769:

Option D’: Get a lv 80 to WvW and farm the Skritt on the upper left area of each borderland. The bags go for 16 silver each on TP and have low chances for silver doubloons.

Pro: A level 80 option exists guys.
con: You need to be able to farm in WvW unimpeded.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Why are you sharing this?!?!?!?

Essence Snow.3194:

All of the available 3rd party tools available alleviate the need for much skill while trading.

You spvp analogy would work if that player played on an unbalanced dominant profession.

What I am suggesting is that they balance (not completely, but at least in the same ball park) methods of obtaining gold……at least give methods similar treatment (every other method is regulated). If this game were not so heavily reliant on gold, again wouldn’t really be an issue, but alas it is.

There is a reason markets in rl are regulated. Why we don’t learn from that is a mystery to me.

1) No profession is more dominant than another. You take any profession you deem to be overpowered, and I’ll tell you that there’s a counter to it. It’s all about “skill” level of the player using the profession. When new metas appear, new counters are formulated as well. If not, then that means the person using one particular meta would be undefeated for life.

2) You keep speaking of balance, yet don’t fully understand that it already exists. The game allows you to make Gold in different ways. Trading is one way. Playing WvW is another. So is Dungeon running. So is Fractal running. So is special event farming. So is Champ trains. If a player is not skilled enough to make efficient use of what’s available in game, that’s the individual player’s fault, not Anet’s.

3) This game is heavily reliant on Gold because you make it to be that way. Sure I may have a lot of Gold in my bank, but I barely touch it. Yesterday, I spent no more than 10 Silver, and that was only due to armor repairs from WvW losses. You can play this game and have fun, without spending a lot of money in the process.

Please don’t make the mistake in thinking that the ability to make money is a game problem. If the choices you make are poor, no game mechanic will help that, outside of asking for free stuff to compensate. Also, please remember that TP players are NOT guaranteed to make money. Just because you can read a website, that doesn’t automatically make you an expert investor.

Clockwork Bard.3105:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

I would love for you to point out where in this thread has discussions of exploits.

Means of repeatedly farming rewards without doing the content. It’s not the main topic of discussion, but has come up repeatedly. I like my account staying active, so that’s as deep as I’m going on the matter. I just thought I’d mention it for people’s benefit. Folks used to get banned for less.

Camping a character at the end of a Jumping Puzzle isn’t an exploit. Due to the fact that nearly all world jumping puzzles are not instanced, if you log out while your character is there, he’ll always log in at the same spot.

In this sense, do you consider leaving a character next to a Trading Post rep an exploit? By logging into the game with that specific character, I’m able to gain access to the Trading Post without using one of those portable TP consumables from the Gem Store.

Essence Snow.3194:

The ability to make gold to which this game relies on so heavily.

It is much like one profession being leaps and bound better than all the rest….unbalanced. Ofc there are always going to be some that are a bit better, but when one is far better then it causes issues.

What benefit does having such an imbalance provide as to keep it as such?

I’m finally able to bring out the true basis of your argument: Skill

You’re upset that some TP Traders are good at what they do. Having the knowledge and experience to do something that’s profitable isn’t considered unfair. Just as an SPvP player who has the skills to beat his opponents over and over will have a higher rank. The end result for these two examples are one makes more money, and one makes more ranks.

What you’re suggesting, is that Anet put in place barriers because one player is more skilled than another at one aspect of the game. If that’s your sense of “fairness”, then you should be asking that the Open Market concept of the Black Lion Trading Post be eliminated from the game.

Essence Snow.3194:

If it was balanced then it wouldn’t be an issue<————————this is not hard to understand

If champ trains offered the possiblity 100x the amount the most trading could…then that would be an issue.

It doesn’t matter what the method is…what matters is the unbalance.

What’s unbalanced? Trading does not guarantee money, just as farming Champs does not guarantee a Precursor.

I just hope that a future Legendary weapon or armor will require 250 Charged Quartz. That will be, by far, the best and rarest Legendary in all the game.

Clockwork Bard.3105:

I seem to recall that sharing and discussing game exploits over the forum is against the game’s terms of service. Repeatedly and systematically bypassing content for the reward is clearly an exploit.

~The More You Know~

I would love for you to point out where in this thread has discussions of exploits.

Essence Snow.3194:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Essence Snow.3194:

Your smarter than that……..please think about it. If you cannot see why this is may be an issue, well then there is no point in responding to you any further.

There is no issue. If you want a particular rare item, make an effort to get it. By asking for a short cut or handout for that item, you’ve already lost the argument.

Trading is the shortcut……btw this is not about winning or losing an argument, it is about awareness that something exists that has a greater negative effect on the game than positive effect. If the only reason you posting is to win an argument then it’s pretty obvious reason will not have any bearing.

Trading is not a shortcut. It’s another way to play this game. TP players put in a different type of effort and time to make money. Spending hours in front of a Black Lion Trading Co. rep is still hours of playing this game. If you can’t understand or accept this fact, then you should just stick to farming mobs and ignore the Trading Post altogether. I’ll make money my way, and you make money your way. Everyone is happy at that point.

Essence Snow.3194:

Your smarter than that……..please think about it. If you cannot see why this is may be an issue, well then there is no point in responding to you any further.

There is no issue. If you want a particular rare item, make an effort to get it. By asking for a short cut or handout for that item, you’ve already lost the argument.