they need team ratings and separate out solo, otherwise the boards are a joke. say some guy plays on a team and is undefeated vs all the top teams, then during the day he solo queues, he will never be top 100 ever even though he plays on the best team.
It’s not the number of wins that matter but the quality of those.
sorry but if 7 wins against top level teams puts you top 50 then their rating system is horrid. Take WoW for example, you start at 1500 rating. Even if you played the #1 team and beat them over and over it would take you 50+ games to get top 50.
seriously. 7 Wins, 4 Losses.
I’m not sure you should use Wow rating system as an example as you clearly don’t know how it works.
so it changed slightly and starts at 0 now vs 1500 before. did you even read that? it would still take 100s of games to get top 50. going 7-4 vs top team would out you at 700 rating in that system lol with top teams around 2800
Now, if you are unable to make a a cohesive and accurate conclusion with this. Then… I fear for the humanity.
“going 7-4 vs top team would out you at 700 rating in that system lol with top teams around 2800”
You still don’t know how mmr works. Read it again.
personal rating doesnt reset when you quit and start a new team in WoW, youre a moron, it’s possible in WoW because they have split ratings. Previously in WoW (when i played) it was team rating only, you start a new team you start back at 1500. Now they have personal MMR AND team rating, so teams that re-make get matched up against their personal rating (already high) so they advance their team rating much faster. GW2 has only one rating.
Don’t tell me to read something when you don’t get it.
The only thing I can think of is if this guy was a new player and played 11 games with a top team vs other top teams and thus put him in the top 50, which again, shows how this single player rating system (as opposed to team rating) is a joke. Any group of 4 elite players could carry an average player for a handful of games to a top 100 rank.
How can possibly be somebody with 10 games in top 100 players?
If Little Timmy who has never played 1v1 beats Kobe Bryant in a 1v1 game 10 times, with Kobe Bryant giving it his best, does that make Little Timmy better than Kobe Bryant in 1v1?
It seems someone is mad because he is not in the top 100
Also this.
why is timmy playing vs kobe if there is match making supposedly in place?
As an engineer I have been waiting a while for the HGH nerf qq threads to start appearing. I just hope they at least give us some other buffs when they decide to nerf.
It’s not the number of wins that matter but the quality of those.
sorry but if 7 wins against top level teams puts you top 50 then their rating system is horrid. Take WoW for example, you start at 1500 rating. Even if you played the #1 team and beat them over and over it would take you 50+ games to get top 50.
seriously. 7 Wins, 4 Losses.
I’m not sure you should use Wow rating system as an example as you clearly don’t know how it works.
so it changed slightly and starts at 0 now vs 1500 before. did you even read that? it would still take 100s of games to get top 50. going 7-4 vs top team would out you at 700 rating in that system lol with top teams around 2800
I think this is a tremendous effort and I’m really glad to see they were able to achieve rankings that accounted for things like solo que’ers matches and ratings versus premade pug stomp matches and ratings. Overall great job!
Who said ANet uses an basic ELO system? They already were using the Glicko-2 variant for WvW matching. The variant uses the same principles as XBox Live MM btw, and it is very fluid for the first few games of a new player to hasten his placement at the correct place.
11 games is extremely low and the likelihood they would have been facing a top 5 team is extremely low unless match making is broken as well.
just to add, since blizz actually shares their ranking system. Their K value is 32. So MAX you can gain for a win is 32 points assuming a massive rating differential. So if some leet team did a remake, it would take them 50+ wins (and this is assuming the most ideal matching ever and not hitting a near equal ranked team for almost every game) vs the top teams and 0 losses to get around 2700 and top 50 assuming top teams around 2800. Because the higher rank you get you wont be getting max 32 points anymore. This rating system is completely broken.
Can’t wait until they add rewards and the win trading starts since it appears to be extremely easy.
It’s not the number of wins that matter but the quality of those.
if 7 wins against top level teams puts you top 50 then their rating system is horrid.
Not really. 7 wins is consistent enough for the system to place the guy rather high in the ranking. I think Microsoft MMS in the XBox Live is confident about your ranking after 4-5 games already. This guy did 11 games.
but they if there is match making they wouldnt be playing the top rated teams unless there were only 2 teams queuing which is likely impossible.
It’s not the number of wins that matter but the quality of those.
sorry but if 7 wins against top level teams puts you top 50 then their rating system is horrid. Take WoW for example, you start at 1500 rating. Even if you played the #1 team and beat them over and over it would take you 50+ games to get top 50.
what exactly is the purpose of these without showing the rating? Someone in 20th place has no clue how far they are from first and you have someone with 98 games and 80% win rate ranked higher than someone with 444 games and 91% win rate?
oh right, they gave us class descriptions in the last one. then mentioned they are looking at thief, bunker and AoE, same as the said in the one before that with no changes to any
oh and remember how portal was gonna be addressed too? Lol
custom servers are priority over even matches, so you are SOL for at least 6 more months
You mean the custom servers that change literally nothing of note short of respawn timers and being able to swap abilities during match?
That’s probably a worse ‘fix’ for the game than their supposed matchmaking.
No one will pay money to flaming change a respawn timer or make a private room in a game with 200~ empty and open SPvP servers.
No one really cares about those things.
yea that was my point, they are focusing on a feature that wont help the game at all, rather than fixing something that plagues people who solo join (majority)
custom servers were a good idea 4 months ago when there was actually a healthy population, but Anet is so GD slow its too late now.
J Sharp: “hey guys in every other mmo with pvp you can queue for whatever map you want, but lets be different and force people to play the same maps over and over!”
E Lesh: “great idea!”
i tried logging in today and played like 5 games then got bored
2013 and people still complain about pvp trash talk? lmao
You think it’s funny?
Apparently you just ‘ignore’ it or don’t even notice it… or maybe you even create it, but you can’t say that it doesn’t have a thing to do with the state of the game.
Respect of other persons SHOULD be the norm on the net but people aren’t educated enough EVEN NOW in 2013 – we’re degrading, not lifting ourselves…
The decline of American society can be seen even in games.
yea i think it’s funny. And it has nothing to do with america, go play any global online game and it’s the same. grow up and grow some thicker skin or stick to hello kitty online.
btw go hang in DC and watch some of the chess competitions, non-stop trash talking. Chess is really going downhill.
This is why they can never give us dates. They said, if we give you a timeline and run into delays, it will be worse than just saying soon. And you guys are proving em right. The reason they cant communicate more detailed timelines (even if they might be open to revision) is because of stuff like this.
DELAYS HAPPEN. ALL THE TIME.
Not to say im not frustrated, I wish they made some of this stuff in pvp a priority, but they are not lying to us.
if they told us why things were delayed when they first knew about it they wouldnt be having this problem.
Basically what happened: We were watching the leader boards and saw a bug crop up with a small # of accounts. We held leader boards while we fixed the bug.
so the bug is fixed but their still invisible? got it.
No, don’t need such feature. One of the GW2 key principles is to play the game, not play the UI.
It’s not interesting to watch hundred CD bars and indicators and not to see the world around you (hello Rift with King Boss Mods and other addons)
or how about you let the players decide with a toggle on/off?
if you want to see it you can, if you dont, turn it off. You can play without any UI right now if you want, seen vids of people doing it in WvW, doesn’t mean everyone should be forced one way or the other by a devs decision.
claim a feature is in the game but just invisible to players while they tweak it.
gives the players hope that it’s actually complete
gives devs infinte time to actually create it
They mentioned it last sotg.
It’s an all encompassing change they want to do for the whole game, so they have to look at the numbers for all their formats considering the scope of what they want to do.
just like thief changes affecting pve, wvw and spvp. so i guess another 3 months it is.
They mentioned AoE adjustments in the SoTG like 3 months ago and there hasn’t been one change. Now I see devs in the thief thread talking about making adjustments, should they expect the same level of diligence that AoE got? i.e. zero changes for 3+ months?
what I don’t get is the leaderboard is supposed to be finished just hidden, so all they should need to do is make it visible. this just shows their are bigger issuea possibly with the ratings or something else so we probably wont see anything anytime soon since are keeping us completely in the dark regarding why its delayed.
I dont think peoole realize how few actually care or pvp seriously. there’s no playerbase for dedicated forums the ones that did exist died just like the streams due to lack of population. the fanboys will try to tell you otherwise but its just proof. funny part is even rift has an outside pvp forum that gets more action than gw2guru spvp section lol.
I don’t think that 4 players should be able to ruin everything for the other one.
If he doesn’t want to pvp then he has no obligation to you or the community to stay in the match.
how are 4 players ruining anything for the one? he is the one who queued up for something he didn’t have time for and should be punished. If you DC all the time you shouldnt be doing rated, if you have to ninja afk all the time you shouldnt be doing rated. If someone does either of those all the time they should be punished for it.
sounds like you are someone who regularly does this and doesnt want to be punished for constantly ruining the game for many people.
I am just amazed at how this age of entitlement is perfectly shown in gaming communities. It is all “No, I deserve this, so give it to me now.” Just all this me me me me me, I want I want I want. Yes we all know you paid for this game, but since when was that a reason to act like a spoiled brat?
people are spoiled brats for complaining about things that they have asking for for over a year? lol what world do you live in.
Anet told us the game would be the next major esport, and back in beta, nearly a year ago people said ok, but you really need to add all these features or it won’t fly, and they still havent. It would be comparable to calling a kid a brat for complaining after his parents promised to take him to disneyland and then took the kid to the county fair instead every month and kept saying, we will go to disneyland next month, rinse, repeat.
o kitten o wrong. complaints on the forums are the only thing that’s gotten the devs to actually fix this kittenty pvp system. the fanboys who were in alpha testing telling them paid tournament and qp were a good idea are to blame. it took crying on the forums to get the devs to prioritize single matches and match making over custom servers lol. add to that some of the slowest and weakest pvp patches of late and really can you blame the few people still left? but hey next patch is the big pvp fix right? lol
and sorry but nothing will get the player base to grow. that ship has sailed. pvp in this game is such a joke that a guy who streams auction house playing gets more views than pvp streams
You can clearly tell that the icon used for the custom arena token is a place holder; so I am pretty sure they are going to update the price and make some fixes once the patch goes live, so don’t panic!
Regardless if CA’s make it into this patch or not, its at least good to see that they are working on them.
They need to give a way to earn gold/gems from PvP then. PvErs can farm gold easily and ANet always claims they dont want to force people to crossover into a part of the game they don’t like. Yet with this they are forcing PvPers to farm gold in PvE or pay real money (lol)
