Guild Wars 2

Killyox.3950:

Wooyadeen.6491:

Baldric.6781:

It’s amazing how people can fool themselves, the game is great! we just don’t have enough players. Sure, sure.
It reminds me of that dude who tries to sell the house for 200.000 but can’t, so instead of accepting reality itself, he tries to reason why he cant do it, it must be the economy, you know, the bubble, the employment, etc etc. Sure, sure, just wait 1 year and everything will be fine.
But hey, i’m not ur mother, so if u want to keep playing and believing in the second coming of guild wars 2 pvp, our saviour, it’s ok. I mean, it could be way worse, you could be in a park getting high with LSD.

Second coming?? Why???
This is best game with best mechanics and (soon) best eSport infrastructure.
We dont have player base atm, we dont have any good game mode. To be honest we dont have anything except unfulfilled promises….

But, soon (soon when its done) we gona have cool new Esports features (about which we cant talk until they are ready), we cant talk about that but just be patient as you can see so far we can promise alot, and if you wish we can promise even more.

Let’s face reality: GW2 is dead, worst pve game in the World (with one unfinished and boring game mode, without players).

Lets, just move on….

Oh oh, oh! I get it! “I don’t like the game so it must be dead”. Cool strawhat argument.

Please, do move on. Like you said.

No strawman just look at queue times and servers

Shanks R Us.2489:

Sorry, but you run out of tickets if you run paids all day.

tickets are dumb. just get rid of them and add a proper ladder. if you want to gate content do it with a skill based ranking requirement.

Follidus.8027:

Dezarys.1372:

Bug Report:

I played a couple Paid Tournament PvP games in the past and only got my Golden Chest as a reward. Where are my Qualifying points?

Sorry but what you were doing were free tournaments, not paids. You don’t get gold chests from paids. You also can’t join paids without a group.

Also, yes the 4v5 issue for free tournaments really does suck, but there’s no way around it if you just solo queue. You can add more of a penalty for leaving (more than just you can’t do anything else if you leave), but the issue will always be there unless you make your own group full of people that won’t leave. If you have trouble finding people, then you might want to guest to a different server, or join hotjoins and ask if people want to do tournaments.

Other games don’t have those issues, why? Because in other games if someone quits, they get a 30+ min debuff and then it automatically pops another person in there. I’m guessing anet doesn’t have the ability to do that with their system just like they can’t do a bunch of other things people are asking for.

Also – solo/casual players have limited play time. Spamming dead mists chat for 4 others takes time, then one of them will need to leave, then you spam again, then another leaves, then you wait for queue.

Every other mmo pvp game offers instant solo queue experience with equal teams, quitter debuff, and reward to make winning more valuable than farming kills. ANet just can’t seem to figure this out.

The ignored majority = casual/solo players. Here is what we have to do after 6 months of development:

Hot join
-8v8 = horrible glass cannon zerg fest on maps not designed for 8v8
-5v5 = (duel servers) generally 2v2 or 3v3 at best, if you’re lucky you’ll get a game with 4v4. -5v5 from start to finish basically never happens.

Free Tournament
- Takes forever to pop as solo queuer
- When it does it’s almost always 5v4

I haven’t played in over 2 weeks and this is why.

condiments.8043:

Fernling.1729:

WoW PvP is currently dozens of times more active than gw2 pvp is. I would say that Anet could learn a thing or two.

Its a dozen times more active and still failed to achieve any sort of sustained E-Sport status. I think that is more indicative of systemic balance problems and lack of focus more than anything. Pretty much MMO pvp in a nutshell. Often super fun, but shoved to the side for PvE. :/

fun to play /= fun to watch. MMO pvp will never make e-sport status because of this. GW2 is trying to force a square peg into a round hole by trying to twist mmo pvp into some sort of FPS play style but it’s just a big failure and will never become an esport and they are stuck in a big catch 22 right now because the things they should have done a long time ago require a healthy population (match making, ranking, etc) so now they add it so late with a dead population leading to long queue times and people facing same teams over and over and quitting out of frustration. All the while ignoring new/casual player experience which is where you build your popularity.

Sylosi.6503:

Whatever the troubles of GW2, looking to a game like Rift which has had its PvP population collapse is not the best place to look for solutions.

was not talking about solutions from Rift, was talking about the fact that Rift has a more active/larger PvP population than GW2 as seen with queue times for even the non max level brackets.

Sylosi.6503:

Sprawl.3891:

Heck, Rift has faster queue times for the 50-59 bracket.

Lol, Rift is the perfect example of why gear progression in PvP is awful, the PvP was terrible, fresh 50’s were thrown into warfronts with fully geared players (or even worse people with raid weapons and 2/3 bits of raid gear for the OP set bonus), who then had full PA and they nearly had to be AFK to lose.

And guess what, people left in their droves (if I remember correctly there were more PvP servers than PvE at launch) precisely because of gear differences and the utterly terrible PvP that resulted in, and they left from both ends, not just players at the low end were fed up of fighting at a huge disadvantage, but at the other end because good players who wanted fun PvP were not getting it fighting opponents who could not fight back.

The only people that liked it were Pvers who did PvP as a side game (most of Rift’s population) or the sort of nabs who were so bad they needed gear to compensate for their own ability and were the type to go to low level zones in world PvP and gank low level players.

The notion that you should have gear progression in PvP is just mind numblingly dumb, in PvE terms it is the equivilent of the players who have just hit level cap trying to do the end game raid in the newb gear and on the other end it is end game raiders facerolling the newb level cap dungeon, on both accounts it is boring, poor gameplay.

As for Rift’s PvP population, I logged into Bloodiron (the only PvP server on the EU English group left) a couple of weeks ago, there were 17 level 60s in total, as a PvP game Rift is not a good or successful model.

About the only thing good about Rift PvP (other than more varied playstyles with the game having healers) is they offered more game modes & more team size options, which in regard to the casual or just hopping on for 20 mins for fun is much better strutcutre than hotjoin, people used to (for the most part) actually carry out the objectives in warfronts, unlike hotjoin where conquest is probably the worst possible mode for pugs.

So on the hotjoin front Anet seem to be stuck halfway between LoL and halfway between games like Rift /WoW, and it does not work, they need to make a decision, if they want to adhere to stricitly one gaem mode, then 8v8 has to go and they need matched / ranked queues including a solo / duo queue. Or if they want to keep 8v8 and have that more for fun, then they need to do it properly and add more modes, more appropriate modes for pugs like capture the flag that will work better for 8v8.

yet despite how bad rift pvp is it still has more maps, game modes, and faster queues and likely more active pvpers than gw2.

condiments.8043:

Sprawl.3891:

SuperHaze.4210:

Wolfheart.1938:

Divinity.8041:

I just hit rank 27 last night, and I was like…wtf am I doing? There are no rewards besides what ANET deems is cooler looking armor.

PvP for better gear, with a ranked system so my gear is not putting me at an advantage versus newer players…whoa wasn’t that simple?

I urge you to reread what you just posted, if you don’t notice a glaring issue with it just ask I’ll point it out.
P.s. Huge WoW E-sports League? I can’t say that with a straight face. Imbalance makes for great E-sport? You must be trolling me…

No one should have a gear advantage. That was what kept games like wow from ever becoming an esport. Why should a skilled player lose to a less skilled player because the less skilled player has more time to grind for the better gear? Skill is skill and that is what it should take to win. Anet just needs to build upon what they already have. Fix the bugs and make a few balance changes. Add some more game modes, ladders, etc. They have a great foundation for esports, but they lack core pvp elements that have already been discussed numerous times on these threads.

gear gaps were a complaint for bad players. Every season gave you plenty of time to max out your gear and then have time to climb the ladder even with limited play time. The only people who complained were the 1500 players who even if you gave them max gear at the start of the season, would remain 1500 players. Good players even made videos of playing in blues and still dominating teams in the 2k ranges who had full gear.

Then why have it in the first place and let skill be the determining factor? Wow’s decision to have pvp gear not easily accessible, and thus needed to be grinded out monotonously was due to the precarious stat and time to attain balance that it had to share with the rapidly creeping power ceiling of the PvE endgame. Both of the modes had to proceed lockstep with each other in terms of stats, otherwise players could gain advantages from dipping into the other side. The meditating factor, known as the pvp resilience stat, could only do some much to stem the systemic stat creep problems that disrupt the tenuous balance between PvE and PvP. This can be seen quite clearly through the rise of the subtlety rogue in cataclysm, who the help of a buff and constantly rising stats, went from a control bot with paltry damage to a well-rounded powerhouse.

So simply put WoW’s balancing is and always be a freaking disaster and will for any game that wants to have some coherency between its PvP and PvE modes while feeding players ballooning stat gears in the hope their sub numbers won’t crash. 3v3 WoW arena was the only remotely balanced arena mode and even that was dominated by predictable comps and specs for each class.

I also don’t think arena is a good match for this type of PvP. It might be short term fun, but it would be an unbalanced mess that would drag down the whole in order to make it a serviceable competitive format. Without healers and low ttk means matches the majority of the time would boil down to simply comp and AOE wars that wouldn’t be fun at any serious level. GW2 could expand into new modes, but I’d like that they’d stick with objective based formats like CtF.

gw2 is also full of predictable comps and specs for each class, what’s your point? the only teams running different comps are the elite teams who have no competition and could beat the teams they are playing naked and with 5 banner warriors, so them running odd comps doesnt really mean much.

aydenunited.5729:

Fernling.1729:

WoW PvP is currently dozens of times more active than gw2 pvp is. I would say that Anet could learn a thing or two.

Give them 8 years.

doesnt work that way, was WoW arena not out while GW2 was in development? yet they took nothing from it and now are rushing around to try to save what little pvp population they have left.

like i said i get faster queues in Rift in the 50-54 level bracket lol, so sad.

Wolfheart.1938:

Sprawl.3891:

Wolfheart.1938:

If everyone progresses, there really is no progress. Thus the IND was born.

people enjoy progression, whether everyone does or not.

People enjoy fake progression that doesn’t mean anything, so obviously every game should have ever-increasing numbers because that totally increases the enjoyment and quality of the game, it’s not a cheap trick to keep you playing a sub fee IND is a bad beast, I know, but you’ll eventually get rid of it.

GW1 did fine with NO progression at all ( by your definition ) for 7 years and is still running. So yeah. I’m out of here.

GW1 was not marketed as a traditional mmo. GW2 pvp is failing and lack of meaningful progression is one of the reasons.

Wolfheart.1938:

All good players will have maxed gear, middle tier players will have non-noticeable differences and bad players won’t have any.

everyone got gear in wow, it just took bad players longer but they still had a sense of progression and achieved some form of points to purchase new gear. You can knock on it all you want, but there is a reason GW2 has a tiny little niche pvp community and no cross-over from PvE and ANet searching for ways to reward people other than a horrible rank grind and cosmetic gear that gets uglier as you rank up.

Same goes for WvW, people are complaining about lack of progression and Anet is trying to figure out a way to give people something. This is not a FPS and does not have an FPS player base no matter how hard Anet trys to make it one.

and lol at “IND” welcome to mmorpgs, enjoy your stay. (why do you think ascended gear was added?)

Wolfheart.1938:

If everyone progresses, there really is no progress. Thus the IND was born.

people enjoy progression, whether everyone does or not. Top players all had the same gear in WoW so it came down to skill and comp just like in GW2. LIke I said, the only people who complained about gear gaps in pvp were bad players who had delusional thoughts and thought if only i had max gear id be a gladiator.

Wolfheart.1938:

Sprawl.3891:

SuperHaze.4210:

Wolfheart.1938:

Divinity.8041:

I just hit rank 27 last night, and I was like…wtf am I doing? There are no rewards besides what ANET deems is cooler looking armor.

PvP for better gear, with a ranked system so my gear is not putting me at an advantage versus newer players…whoa wasn’t that simple?

I urge you to reread what you just posted, if you don’t notice a glaring issue with it just ask I’ll point it out.
P.s. Huge WoW E-sports League? I can’t say that with a straight face. Imbalance makes for great E-sport? You must be trolling me…

No one should have a gear advantage. That was what kept games like wow from ever becoming an esport. Why should a skilled player lose to a less skilled player because the less skilled player has more time to grind for the better gear? Skill is skill and that is what it should take to win. Anet just needs to build upon what they already have. Fix the bugs and make a few balance changes. Add some more game modes, ladders, etc. They have a great foundation for esports, but they lack core pvp elements that have already been discussed numerous times on these threads.

gear gaps were a complaint for bad players. Every season gave you plenty of time to max out your gear and then have time to climb the ladder even with limited play time. The only people who complained were the 1500 players who even if you gave them max gear at the start of the season, would remain 1500 players. Good players even made videos of playing in blues and still dominating teams in the 2k ranges who had full gear.

Assuming equal skills, good player vs good player ends with “he had more resilience, thus he won”. That being said, if gear doesn’t really matter, as your post suggests, then why even introduce it? After all, matches are won by skill cough cough and there’s rank for bragging rights. Is it to accomodate for your Increasing Numbers Disorder?

because it’s an mmorpg and people who play mmorpgs enjoy progression. Why do you think GW2 spvp has little to no cross-over from PvE players and daily complaints about lack of progression in spvp and WvW?

Wolfheart.1938:

Divinity.8041:

You know for all the people who just flamed me for saying WoW is bad? Look at our player base, and look at their player base. And they actually PAY to play.

Our PvP base is getting smaller by the day, and the developers are not responding fast enough, and think players are going to stay in this game.

Sadly this game is on the cusp of being dead and to the point of no return.

*Again, like I said before, you all like to point your noses in the air and say “go back to WoW, I play GW2.” If you you are proud of being part of a dead community, more power to you brah.

You can have the best product in the world, but if nobody plays it, it is useless. This is what this game is becoming. It is just a shame that I have invested so much time :\

No I didn’t flame you, but nice cop-out. If a game is doing badly ( and to claim that you have to prove it, frees/paids are booming in EU ) then you analyze why is that and how to solve the problem, you don’t assume that we lack idiotic elements such as gear-grinds. GW2 PvP has its issues but you obviously don’t have any clue about them.

P.s. Many other MMOs copied WoW and look how succesful they were
P.p.s. Popularity =/= Quality. Justin Bieber has more fans than Rush, but whose music is better?

do justin bieber and rush both compete for the same fanbase and are listed in the same genre? Fail analogy is fail. WoW and GW2 are both in the same mmorpg genre. GW2 sold 2+ mil copies and has the worst/smallest pvp population of any mmo ive played since wow. Heck, Rift has faster queue times for the 50-59 bracket.

Soyboy.3548:

Divinity.8041:

You know for all the people who just flamed me for saying WoW is bad? Look at our player base, and look at their player base. And they actually PAY to play.

Our PvP base is getting smaller by the day, and the developers are not responding fast enough, and think players are going to stay in this game.

Sadly this game is on the cusp of being dead and to the point of no return.

*Again, like I said before, you all like to point your noses in the air and say “go back to WoW, I play GW2.” If you you are proud of being part of a dead community, more power to you brah.

You can have the best product in the world, but if nobody plays it, it is useless. This is what this game is becoming. It is just a shame that I have invested so much time :\

How can you tell the game is getting smaller by the day? Some of us don’t even get to log on until Saturday because we have a career, social life, and gym. What statistics are you using to make such an assumption?

just look at the number of spvp servers and queue times buddy

SuperHaze.4210:

Wolfheart.1938:

Divinity.8041:

I just hit rank 27 last night, and I was like…wtf am I doing? There are no rewards besides what ANET deems is cooler looking armor.

PvP for better gear, with a ranked system so my gear is not putting me at an advantage versus newer players…whoa wasn’t that simple?

I urge you to reread what you just posted, if you don’t notice a glaring issue with it just ask I’ll point it out.
P.s. Huge WoW E-sports League? I can’t say that with a straight face. Imbalance makes for great E-sport? You must be trolling me…

No one should have a gear advantage. That was what kept games like wow from ever becoming an esport. Why should a skilled player lose to a less skilled player because the less skilled player has more time to grind for the better gear? Skill is skill and that is what it should take to win. Anet just needs to build upon what they already have. Fix the bugs and make a few balance changes. Add some more game modes, ladders, etc. They have a great foundation for esports, but they lack core pvp elements that have already been discussed numerous times on these threads.

gear gaps were a complaint for bad players. Every season gave you plenty of time to max out your gear and then have time to climb the ladder even with limited play time. The only people who complained were the 1500 players who even if you gave them max gear at the start of the season, would remain 1500 players. Good players even made videos of playing in blues and still dominating teams in the 2k ranges who had full gear.

Leadfoot.9071:

Sprawl.3891:

For all the suckiness of WoW at least they had 3v3 and 2v2 that only required you to play 10 games a week minimum to stay relevant.

This is not exactly true, people who grinded out higher rating via arenas had access to superior gear. I guess it depends on what you mean by “relevant”…

you can’t “grind” rating. It is skill based. Yes good players could achieve better gear faster by receving more points each week, but that was due to their skill and rating not how many games they played. An average skill player who was stuck around 1500 rating could play 10 games a week or 1,000 games a week and would still receive the same amount of points. And whether they had full arena gear or not their rating would not fluctuate much. By the time the season was a month or so in most higher rated teams had all the gear and were on equal footing.

QP on the other hand is a grind stat that has no bearing on skill.

I’m with you OP – haven’t logged in in over a week and don’t plan on it again. There’s just no middle ground. If you like to solo or play with a friend or 2 there is no place for you in this game. Hot join is horrid and the only people who like it are people who lack skill and enjoy the comfort of the zerg. Then, as you said, free tournaments take longer and longer to pop and more often than not are 5v4 since Anet still has not implemented any type of deserter debuff or way to keep matches from starting without a full 5. It is quite a joke. Really the only people who have fun in this game are bads who enjoy zerging 8v8 and people with lots of time to dedicate to having a 5-man team. Add to the fact there is still no ladder, nothing to strive for, no match making, etc. And it’s just a big why bother.

For all the suckiness of WoW at least they had 3v3 and 2v2 that only required you to play 10 games a week minimum to stay relevant. And Rift, while not an uber competitive pvp game, still offers multiple maps and game modes and balanced pug v pug games, i.e. it’s FUN.

Add to this the slowest development team in the history of mmo pvp and well you have a dying pvp population. They have been talking about AoE, bunkers and eles for how long now yet we have seen nothing, they have been talking about balancing down states, still nothing. New maps/game modes? Not even on their radar. But as I have said in another thread I got my moneys worth with leveling my necro to 80 and enjoying WvW for a bit before it got stale as well.

26 and still lives at home

number of eles on each team should be #1

did the cursing revolve around you playing an OP/FOTM class/spec?

dont worry guys j peters is watching it just like he was watching aoe so we should see adjustments around early 2014 at their pace.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

Leaving counts as a loss for your rating.

when are you gonna fix tourney matches starting 5v4 and people quitting during those?

Krilce.7864:

Sprawl.3891:

they were supposedly going to address AoE, but obviously they havent done anything yet and since the big pvp/wvw patch is not happening in february now i dont we wont see any meaningful changes to pvp for another 2 months despite them talking about aoe changes a month ago.

Really? Didn’t Jonathan Sharp say that February and March patches are big patches, focused mostly on PvP. What the hell is going on, I guess they said something about it in SotG video, which I couldn’t watch.

they did but then they made a post about WvW patch getting pushed and mentioned in SoTG there will be no big spvp patch in feb either.

Virgil Kemp.7056:

The number of games it takes for “solo queue” (that’s how you spell it) ratings to mean ANYTHING with random teams of 5v5 is ridiculously high.

1v1 takes a certain number of games for players to reach a reasonably accurate rating. 2v2 with random teams takes twice as many games. 3v3 with random teams takes the 1v1 number of games to the third power. ETC.

And, if the base rating doesn’t start at 0, it’s even worse, as a constant influx of new players with inappropriate ratings constantly skew ratings.

Ratings for individuals in random teams [of such sizes as 5v5] are always gimmicky nonsense, implemented knowingly, in the interest of pleasing the ignorant who don’t understand basic mathematics.

I don’t mean to offend anyone’s intelligence, but this discussion has been had a thousand times before in the forums of other MMORPGs. There are people that understand the math, and people that just want a number to exploit/brag about without understanding how that number is calculated and why it’s often nearly entirely meaningless.

Stated differently, you cannot competitively engage in 5v5 strategic gameplay queued solo. Everyone wants to pretend to be competitive without being competitive. Sorry, you can’t have it both ways. The desire for a rating doesn’t negate basic math and give that rating meaning.

who gives a kitten it would be it’s own bracket for casuals and the people who care about kitten can stick to paid

they were supposedly going to address AoE, but obviously they havent done anything yet and since the big pvp/wvw patch is not happening in february now i dont we wont see any meaningful changes to pvp for another 2 months despite them talking about aoe changes a month ago.

Xeph.4513:

the population of the game isn’t large enough to split the community into several que’s

it already is split though. hot join, free, paid. All we are asking is to make hot join/free into solo queue unranked/ranked and leave paid for teams. And what I mean is 1 team of 5 vs 1 team of 5, game starts with both teams have 5, quitters get deserter debuff (cough like every other game cough)

how hard is that? hot join sucks and why is free still 8 team tourney? They keep doing kitten backwards and appeasing the more hardcore players while not doin kitten for casuals. And then they say stuff like the population isn’t big enough to split the queues. No kitten it isn’t big enough, because you keep doing kitten for hardcore players so your population is dying. so dumb.

NevirSayDie.6235:

I think that the re-design of the free and paid tourney system (that we seem to be in the middle of right now) will hopefully address this problem. For example, I’d expect to see fewer leavers from a single, ranked match that pops instantly, than the current system.

if leaving doesn’t give you a loss it will only increase

was this discussed in the sotg? im guessing it’s just a result of their fail system that they dont want to change and/or dont have resources to fix even though a deserter debuff should have been in at release.

so why do you still track qp which is meaningless

JonathanSharp.7094:

Great post, some great points in here.

We know a lot of this, but a lot of times we can’t speak to specific plans to fix things. We also know full well what’s good in the meta (or OP). We sometimes just can’t reveal what we’re thinking about balance until our lists go final.

A lot of people assume that silence = ignorance, and often times, that’s not the case.

Great read! Enjoyed it.

when will you add a public test server so you can get feedback and bug identification FASTER. Do you not feel your current speed of adding pvp features that should have been in game at launch is horribly slow? we have got one map skin and beta 1v1 yet pve has massive events with new features almost monthly. the size and speed of the pvp crew makes it seem like a joke and red headed step child of the anet corporate top dogs. ill be playing rift and likely won’t bother coming back since now you’re saying we won’t have anything this month. unreal.

delete hot join do like EVERY other game does. solo queue for your map of choice, single match deserters get penalized. then add solo queue rated random map 1match.

as a casual player I have given up on this game until that’s added. sick of long free tourney queue and 5v4 matches

lol so no patch this month either wow. back to playing my brother’s rift account. what a joke

say bye bye to the casuals

Bhawb.7408:

PvP will grow with time. League of Legends has probably the best system currently for eSports, a fair number of people are truly professional league players, its what they do. It also took LoL a few years to get to that stage (3 years I think?) so we really do need to realize that GW2 won’t become a huge esport with amazing competition right away, they need some time to work.

league started out small. gw2 sold millions of boxes and has barely any pvp population and those that left aren’t coming back.

the issue is the playerbase is so small

it takes very little time to gear up in wow haters need. to stop using that as an excuse.

Oni.5429:

I decided to take a free year for myself before heading into university with an attempt to do something esports related. I picked this game because it was advertised as an esport game.

You might not take esport seriously, that’s alright and it’s completely in your right. There are also people that don’t take chess seriously, that doesn’t stop the world from having competitive chess players, tournaments with books on how to improve etc etc.

I don’t see the point on berating or belittling people that have other views than you do though.

why dont you play a game that’s already established as an esport rather than trying to be good at a game with no population or competition?

I have a feeling the desperate ones like satar and follidus and those guys just couldn’t cut in games with true skill rankings and massive populations so they come here beat the 5 competitive teama that still play and think they are good and that if this game blew up they would have some advantage lol.

this game will never be an esport so why are you still here if you only have a year?

daydream.2938:

Such a high percentage of people who complain are hot join players.

Honestly, hot joins are a bad experience. Taking frees to 1 team vs 1 team, would make such a difference.
Here is why. In league, or in dota 2 people PLAY THE GAME.
IN tournies people play the game, in hotjoins people just run around ganking. Joining for 5 mins into the middle of a match, and leaving before its done. With 16 ppl in there making it way zergy.

Somehow people have got to get engaged in a match. I know if i was a newb and ran into 6 mesmers everyday just zerg fighting id get frustrated too. Even if high level players know how to deal with it. ( and the do but still bad experience for new players)>

hot join is the only option though for many. would you rather hotjoin or lose 5v4 or to a premade in free?

Mrbig.8019:

Narcarsis.5739:

Mrbig.8019:

You’ll surely have a brilliant carreer, you have a great feel for it.

I already do, but continue to assume things about people over the internet. I’m sure it makes your feel better about yourself ^^

I’m happy you’re having a brilliant career, but don’t assume facts about what other people will or won’t do.

All this “QQing” about the lack of competition, no incentives and stuffs simply drives away people from taking the PvP in this game seriously, or even believing it will get any more serious than it is now ( because this game currently has tons of e-sport potentials, as long as they tune builds/proffs and find a decent way to get competition right).

If people keep on talking about " how bad, how bla, how bleh, how crap " this game is, people will slowly start to believe it that way, even if it isn’t true.

This thing, in psychology, is called self-fulfilling phropecy , and you would be ASTOUNISHED knowing how strong this effect is in reality.

Basically, rants like this only damage the game image in consumers’ eyes, and damage people like you who are supposed to want to have good players around them in order to form a team.

Follidus is right, and you’re wrong.

If you want to find a team, and have skilled people around to play with, create a thread with constructive criticism in it to find out WHY there are no skilled PvPers in this game, WHY there are no incentives, WHY there’s no real competition, and try to find a solution for it.

Hopefully aNet will take a look, listen to you, and we’ll all be happy.

But what you’re actually doing is simply the act of a kid who’s crying because he doesn’t have friends to play with.

sorry but it’s anets job to figure out why nobody is playing their game not ours. we put in our time and feedback during beta and we are coming up on a year now since bwe1 and they havent added one thing people have been asking for.

in beta people ask for better browser, ranking system, match making, more game modes, spectator mode, voice chat, etc. basic systems that any pvp game worth a crap should have and we still have nothing. then they say over and over game won’t be released until its ready and we get what? the same exact crap we had in beta nothing else and still nothing else but a 1v1 mode that’s still in testing with no matchmaking. whoop de kittenin doo

TwoBit.5903:

The eSports scene is much larger in Europe. Something in the water, maybe? Extrapolating from that, it’s reasonable that the region with a larger pool or players would have more people willing to stick around.

Instead of ruing the facets of a certain culture, isn’t better to find ways to accommodate it? I’m sure teams of more successful game companies take the entirety of their audience into account and build around them. In my opinion, the type of mentality that creates threads like these and the derogatory sentiments within do little to help.

i think it has more to do with not being many good alternatives and euros seem to be willing to keep playing something that’s bad rather than play nothing. I’d rather play nothing.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

Gw2 will get more viewers and it will go esports simply because it is fun to watch. maybe we just need more streamers.

there were tons of pvp streamers at release but they all quit due to boredom/lack of viewers. there is nothing fun about watching conquest.

Xiomaro.2563:

Is it just me or does the average American have a shorter attention span than the average European? Europe’s player base has shrunk as well but it’s still totally playable.

It seems the American sPvP scene has just completely died by the sound of things. The exact same thing happened in Bloodline Champions. The queues for the US servers in BLC are so long; there are almost no teams left. To be fair that game is just dying generally but it happened on the US servers much sooner.

Do Americans just get bored of things more quickly? Or do they tend to move onto other games sooner? Maybe it’s a money thing… If you have more money, you can afford to play lots of different games in quick succession. If you have less money, you’re more likely to really savour the experience of what you can afford.

This is purely speculation of course as I’m basing this on a trend that I’ve only seen in 2 games. And for the record, I’m not anti-American. It’s just a cultural observation! I speak as a Brit and we tend to have short attention spans too. Maybe the cause is the same.

NA players have higher standards and less patience for overpromising and underdelivering

I wish I sold cars in Europe.

“Here you guy sir a shiney new car!”
“thanks this is awesome!”
“no prob!”
“hey wait i thought you said this would be able to compete in races”
“oh yes sir it sure will, i can’t tell you how right now but it will soon”
“oh ok sounds good”
“err wait this other car has all these features i thought this one would have”
“oh yes sir, but you see that car has been out for 7 years, ours is brand new, so give us 7 years”
“oh ok i watched a video of that other car anyway and it looked boring but “um wait it only has 1 gear mode?”
“yes we will look into adding more gears in the future but our focus is on airbags”
“shouldnt air bags be a core feature”
“sir did you see how awesome the horn sounds”
“oh wow this is great car!”

American version

“here you go sir shiney new car”
“wheres my murica power V8 you promised?”
“sorry sir we did not have time to implement that feature”
*refund

TwoBit.5903:

When the game is bad, you blame the player, obv.

lol this reminds me of warhammer fanbois. “Guys they gave us a great game you just aren’t playing it right” resulting from people complaining how boring RvR was and how it was just circle zerging keeps/towers since that was rewarded the most.

Narcarsis.5739:

People suck at PvP.

Results:
-No competition.
-No incentive.
-No fun.

Matchmaking won’t help when there’s still only 2 good teams in the game.

-The Truth Hurts

nah gw2 pvp is dead because:

pugs face premades
hot join is zerg fest
quitters are not punished
no middle ground for mid tier players
4v5 games in tournament for solo/duo queuers
no skill based ranking
one boring game mode

can we get a 1v1 match queue for map you want system as well like every other game has?

Dairuin.5602:

MMO PvE is about the treadmill. PvP is about the enjoyment of facing human opponents. Sort of like Chess or pickup basketball. It’s unfortunate that you consider it punishment.

every skill based sport offers rewards and the reward if chess is rank. why do you cherry pick pugging?

lilz shorty.1879:

Sprawl.3891:

Brutalistik.6473:

Balistix.2601:

A friend just bought me the Expansion cause he herd I wasn’t play GW2 seriously anymore and I indulged him.
In honesty it seems like they’ve dumbed down the game and are making Glad more easily achievable which isn’t ok in my book.

Thank you I rest my case on the dumb down part a.k.a watered it down.

GW2 still is a fresh game which is why I give it a chance compared to WoW since they have 7+ years over the new game.

you make no sense. you agree with him that wow is watered down by making pvp gear easier to obtain and meaningless titles easier to obtain, then praise gw2 for having no gear grind and non-existent pvp rankings/titles?

So wow made it easier to get gladiator title. So? Gladiator is still based on a ranking system and beating people and moving up. What does GW2 offer? Ah right nothing.

love how you mention that last bit knowing that matchmaking is coming out lol. There also are pvp titles so to say they are non existent lol………

please show me these skill based titles. and we are discussing the current state of both games. we have zero info on ranking and matchmaking for all you know it will be glory based lol.

if/when they add a proper ranking system and there’s more than 20 serious teams let me know.

Brutalistik.6473:

Balistix.2601:

A friend just bought me the Expansion cause he herd I wasn’t play GW2 seriously anymore and I indulged him.
In honesty it seems like they’ve dumbed down the game and are making Glad more easily achievable which isn’t ok in my book.

Thank you I rest my case on the dumb down part a.k.a watered it down.

GW2 still is a fresh game which is why I give it a chance compared to WoW since they have 7+ years over the new game.

you make no sense. you agree with him that wow is watered down by making pvp gear easier to obtain and meaningless titles easier to obtain, then praise gw2 for having no gear grind and non-existent pvp rankings/titles?

So wow made it easier to get gladiator title. So? Gladiator is still based on a ranking system and beating people and moving up. What does GW2 offer? Ah right nothing.