Guild Wars 2

spec d/d, enter hot join, roll face around on keyboard, profit

Poxxia.1547:

@Sprawl: I think the discrepancy origins in us talking about totally different things. Every sort of communication whatsoever has (at least) two parts (can easily expand this, but nvm that now). While you are talking about communication inside a subculture (isn’t it?), some of us (I, at least) am talking about communication that deliberately goes from that subculture out in what could be “normal society”. There is a difference … a rather huge one.

this isnt normal society though, this is a sub-forum for an online computer game regarding players/teams facing each other to determine a winner.

yea kevin Garnett, michael jordan, ray lewis , floyd mayweather, kobe bryant, all baddies and considered the dirtiest trash talkers ever

Hammerheart.1426:

Big shock. Sprawl flew in on his high horse and decided to throw down life lessons to all us positive thinking peasants.

You’re getting quite the reputation man.

I agree with you OP. We all know that trash talk is happening behind voip, there is no reason to bring it to chat either in game our out. Win or lose, a simple “gg” will suffice.

Do we really want spectators watching players while they trash talk each other?

one of many articles on the art:

“I know how to play the game; I don’t think they know how to play the game when I’m talking to them.” This is a quote from the very same NBA player who told the opposing player that he’d shoot his free throw with his eyes closed. Skeptical and not believing he’d actually do it, the shooter proceeded to drain the free throw and say, “Welcome to the NBA.”

For those of you who’ve no idea what I’m talking about, the above scenario describes the scene where Michael Jordan told Dikembe Mutombo that he’d shoot his free throw with his eyes closed. This picture has become a legend in NBA lore, and a classic example of trash talking done properly by one of the greatest athletes of all time.

Whether you’re playing a game of NFL Blitz or a session of Mario Kart, trash talking has the amazing ability to always make an appearance. This phenomenon has entrenched every aspect of competition that you can imagine, and it caught my attention in regards to how it’s used in games such as League of Legends and online games.

Admittedly, trash talking can devolve into elementary name calling due to the anonymity of the Internet, and cyber bullying has become a big concern. However, when trash talking is utilized at its very essence, it becomes a skill that when mastered can really mess with your opponent’s psyche and confidence, consequently affecting every action that’s taken.

butch.8136:

^ In gw1 we needed 8. While the pvp scene wasn’t massive there and the 8 people req was a barrier it still wasn’t that bad as in gw2.

i thought gw1 had solo queue?

trash talk intimidation factor is much underrated. If you trash talk someone and then face them head on in public setting the demand to perform at a high level is much greater now because both sides know what has been said and what the public will say to each with the win/loss. Those that perform poorly under increased pressure are the most susceptible to trash talk and MOST people perform poorly under pressure which is why elite athletes are so rare, so in terms of trying to gain an advantage there is really no downside to trash talk unless you cant handle the pressure you put on yourself by instigating.

I have only pved on my engi but gonna try this build tonight it better not be bad

I use this with my friends: gw2 spvp is fun. gets them every time.

nerva.7940:

point is, it’s not dead or different from a few months ago.

384 during primetime for an entire region is shut down worthy if pve population wasnt there to carry it.

nerva.7940:

this thread is just a giant whine, bordering on insulting now. youre not saying anything new or constructive. obviously, we will shift away from tournaments. custom arenas will allow for custom matchups, and that in itself will bring a lot of people back. rankings, even more.

and spvp isnt really any worse off than a few months ago. tpvp is, likely due to a crappy meta, but there are still two dozen spvp games at any given time. there isnt really a deadline till doom, as many of you are suggesting. you may want to leave personally, but you’ll be back for sure.

two dozen? golly jeez. thats a whole 384 players worldwide pvping assuming all full 16 man games. what a thriving population, pvp sounds full of life, im sold.

bunkers just have too many oh kitten abilities. you can play bunker very poorly and still last a hella long time, play pro and can last forever until zerged.

Some burst classes are similar, play poorly but can still dominate due to how easy it is to pull of said burst. The risk vs reward is backwards on some bunkers and burst builds.

I havent seen any extreme trash talk on these forums at all, just EU vs NA which was the most popular thread in weeks. So not sure what OP is talkin bout then.

felivear.1536:

I’ll save you all the anticipation, here is your post:

“Hello all, sorry for the lack of responses here, but the team has been away for the Holidays. We are back now and although we can’t tell you exactly what is happening, just know that we hear you all and we are currently pushing for a big PvP patch in the future that will bring big changes that I think you will all be VERY excited about.”

Then, February will hit and here will be the PvP changes:

• Changed Ranger underwater downed skill 2 from 2 second CD to 3 second CD
• Changed Warrior underwater Speargun skill 3 to be more in line with other classes 3 skill for underwater
• Added a new animation to the Tiger Finisher
• Updated /rank to be more visible in crowded areas
• Removed the .25 CD on mesmer shatters and now added Mind Wrack to cause Burning as well.

Don’t forget about that hotfix that will follow:

*Increased slick shoes cooldown to 120s
*Reduced engineer grenade damage by 5%
*Reduced Cloak and Dagger damage by 5%
*Increased Mug damage by 10%
*Re-added .25 CD on mesmer shatters due to damage reduction bug
*Added new finishers to coincide with the new PvE content update
*Added new “PvP” map to coincide with new PvE content update
*Overhaul of Keg Brawl Map with addition of 3 new modes of play for Keg Brawl

Naito.5693:

No, it needs to be free to play.
Otherwise it won’t attract enough players, simply because when you pay money for the game, you are making a commitment. When it’s free, you can just try it out with your friends, keep playing it more and more, spectate pro-matches and even start spending money on cosmetics and “fun stuff”.
But yeah, something needs to be done.

When people who paid money stop quitting then they can think about making it free.

Poxxia.1547:

Sprawl.3891:

sorry but trash talk comes with competition. if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen

Excuse me, but what can’t you defend with this sort of argument? It is not even an argument … it is just an excuse for not caring. Your freedom to do whatever you want only extends itself to the limit of your actions not harming other people. Yes, I am talking about social skills.

i dont think you understand that statement. With everything that involves high level of skill and competition there is trash talk. There is trash talk in every sport, pro, mens, womens, kids. There is trash talk between debate and math teams, there is trash talk between chess players, trash talk between marching bands. anywhere and everywhere. The people who can handle it and still perform at a high level excel, those that can’t shrivel up and run away. So if you are trying to say there are elite pro pvpers out there who may pass over GW2 because of trash talk on the forums you are kidding yourself and it is one of the most ludicrous statements I have seen on these forums. Many teams pride themselves in shutting down the trash talkers.

You know why there is such little trash talk though during mathes? because most teams dont have enough confidence and are scared of they talk too soon someone will take a screen shot and post it after they lose. (well not so much in GW2 since nobody cares about the competitive scene)

I for one wish there was more trash talk. Trash talk builds rivalries and brings in fans who take sides and make it even more heated. I mean would you rather watch an EU vs NA match with two boring passive teams or two teams that trash talked each other for an entire week leading up to the match? Heck in many sports like boxing and mma, trash talk is one of the biggest tools to build interest in a match.

ok now that I have the devs attention with that topic I hope we get a long detailed update today

why do people knock wow when gw2 end game is identical with people in one main city spamming lfg?

please post vids of killing bad underleveled zergers in the wvw forum

this endgame is lame like wow, everyone in main city spamming for dungeon groups

Darnis.4056:

The game’s been out for almost half a year now, you know which battle grounds WoW came prepackaged with ? None. How about the honor system? a year or two after release? Arena ? ha ha

5 maps which are well balanced and fun to play is pretty good for a start, PLUS zergvzergvzerg. Arena net is doing an awesome job in it’s pvp department and I’m sure they’l keep going.

wow is a pve game so yea

Bunzy.8674:

Sprawl.3891:

Lachanche.6859:

This game totally needs someone to self righteously claim himself as the best ranger around pretty much like what happened on “a game with dc characters in it”.
Link for reference so that everyone can see the best player of said game -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9OO7vuxAPI

On the RIFT forums I would go around telling everyone my brother (Meduza) was #1 ranked mage in the game (game has no rankings) and would hype every post he made and continually bump any video he posted. He was definitely one of the best mages but simply posting “#1 mage on rift” anytime after he posted something got many peoples panties in a bunch and got him more video views and attention than any other mage lol

You really think he got more attention then me.. that’s cute

you got attention for crying and being bad though.

Dsquaredcri.9421:

butch.8136:

Anyway, don’t get your hopes up for january. Colin said in another thread Jan will be rather small. So it’ll be febr/march.

We will be very happy to have something new in feb/march too!
Simply better than nothing have..

just like everyone was happy with the major balance patch that wad 90% water ability tweaks.

lack of public test server is killing them. they are gonna release some new stupid ranking system that nobody likes and will take another 3 months to fix.

NaturalPortman.9562:

Visionary.5681:

I love the fact that whenever any arguements about class mechanics go on, no one bothers to mention Necro

Its a little depressing as a Necro player.

nerf necro plz

engi first

Oni.5429:

So…

Nobody has anything to say about what I actually discussed on the podcast? :cc

theres no ladder, no match making, no solo queue who cares about rhis game? like 5 teams take it seriously. when anet takes it serious then people will care and respond to videos like this

lol you could pay people to play hot join and they would quit after being zerged by insta kill thief and mesmers. this game had tons of pvpers already and they quit, bringing more wont change anything without a major overhaul.

sataar now we see why you want more randoms queuing paids so you can farm qp against bad teams and then talk kitten to other na players.

its kinda funny sataar was like barely top 50 first few weeks paids were live, then everyone quit now he top 5

why do you why do you, say everything say everything, twice twice

as mesmer fight it out, save decoy and blink escape any fight you want.

the team makeups should look like that as well

Evan Lesh.3295:

While there are times where customization is nice, there is probably something we can do to alleviate this issue. The reason the buffs get so small in the first place is that there just isn’t enough screen space to show full sized icons without without wrapping them, and eating up precious vertical viewing room. I could imagine an option to show only boons/conditions similar to how simple party UI works. This way we would probably never have to scale the icons, or at least stacking them would only be twice as high as normal. Another possibility is to prioritize the scaling of icons based on target relation. Enemies have larger boon icons, allies have bigger conditions, etc. In any case, “Make them bigger!” isn’t a full solution, but I agree something more could be done with that piece of UI.

shouldnt it be the players choice if they want to eat up viewing room or not?

Pyrial.2917:

Sprawl.3891:

Pyrial.2917:

This ship is going down fast like Trion/Rift…Expecting staff cuts soon. How soon? I can’t tell you as I don’t want to ruin the surprise.

rift is one of the only mmos since wow to maintain a subscription fee for coming on 2 years now (march 2011 release). I wouldnt say they failed.

You’re not currently playing. Their ongoing development is in the dumps atm.

2+ years of subscription model is not a failure imo compared to games that had bigger initial sales and went F2P in under a year. Even if they went F2P right now I wouldnt consider it a failed game, 2 years is a good run in this industry.

Volrath.1473:

Sprawl.3891:

was it designed for HS to be a spammable gap closer that requires no skill to land on target?

if a thief spams HS as a gap closer, when he lands on the target he has NO initiative left to hit him besides auto attack, if you see a thief do that he is a bad players and if you are not you can easily take him down.

possante.8310:

what i want is a 0,25CD after animation end

Sorry man but no one cares about what you want…

Daecollo.9578:

I’d like a 0.25 CD on thief skills, I hate using two of them at once, thief skills should never que.

I had the same problem coming from an MMO were spamming was needed due to no ability queue, but with time you get use to it, just requires concentration at start, then it becomes automatic

you dont need to spam to use it as a gap closer, it IS a gap closer by itself (ranged use ability) and requires zero skill to land on your target in that it automatically moves you to the target vs manually aimed ability that requires skill.

S H A K U R AS.9536:

JonPeters.5630:

Because Jonathan knows more about what we are doing with PvP, and because we don’t say we are doing X until we are 100% doing it or else we get a lot of you said X, I wants it NOW!!!

So in short, we wants to know:

1) When do u going to start ladder games.
2) When do u going to remove tournaments and start normal daily AT’s.
3) When can we see new maps.
4) When are u going to put observ.
5) When are u going to inform all pple in the same moment about PvP changes, dont split pple like in gw1, “top” teams have forum and know ~half year faster what going to be changes and other pple know it in the day of update or from friends from tk.
6) When are u going to respect pple who paid for this game, u demand respect but dont respect each others.

I think its enough for begin, do it what i wrote and then except respect from pple, who bought this game for PvP not PvE or WvWvW.

i got your answers bro:

1) soon
2) pretty soon
3) in a bit
4) sooner than later
5) soon
6) not soon enough

we have a lot more awesome stuff too but cant talk about it for another 3 months and will give you a blog about icebergs with no real details that will take another ~1 month to review before its actually posted.

Gaile Gray.6028:

In order to have an intelligent discussion, let me point out that the word/name that ThiBash is asking about it like “darp” but with a “e” for the “a.” Having said that, I understand that some people can see the word as somewhat offensive. However, we discussed this as a team and we feel it’s pretty commonly used to mean not-very-bright, silly, stupid. We don’t block silly or stupid.

I understand you may see the word as a jab at mentally disabled people, but our feeling is that this word is quite different than using [the “R” word for a mentally challenged individual] and therefore we have not been taking action against the former word.

I’m open to your thoughts about it, but again, that’s our general feeling, keeping in mind that we’re not trying to censor every possible word of every possible level of offense, but words that are quite clearly offensive, and seldom have multiple or confused meanings.

so why is it filtered on the forum then if it’s fine in game?

So i was trying to make a character name R G Three or R G Ill and it gives me a response that I can’t (different from name being already used) so i messed around and basically any time you use R G it doesn’t allow it. Am I missing something here?

id rather see a point toggle like the buffs in the temple map where you have to interact with them for X seconds to cap/flip and any attack interrupts you. (think AB in WoW or codex in Rift). That way all forms of cc/cc break are utilized to fight for a point rather than just knockbacks.

possante.8310:

JonPeters.5630:

felivear.1536:

JonPeters.5630:

This is not true, skills have a cast time and after cast based on the animation they use. To ease any thief worries we are not limiting back to back skill use on purpose. This is in fact the point of initiative and why thieves feel different than other professions.

just curious, are you happy with and is it your intention for moves with no cast time to be able to be used in the middle of a move with a cast time? For instance lightning flash during churning earth and steal during cloak and dagger.

Yes this is part of the design of the combat.

IMO isnt a good design. initiative even if skills have internal CD of 0,25s dont exist any other class beside thief that can use same skill with such low CD (not even close).

stealth need some rework especially shadow refuge with insane bonus stealth at the end of skill

mesmer illusionary leap could have be more obvious , maybe a animation like warrior charge i dont know. the illusionary leap is like the charge of warrior, a skill before the combo burst.

im a mesmer and i agree that sometimes illusionary leap is hard to see. if all pre burst skills have a obvious animation like warrior charge the game will be much more fun.

and please change some skill animations. lot of them are very similar (some are basically the same)

they need to fix iLeap first. it doesn’t work half the time.

wish there was a way to increase scale of buffs on target and just customize the UI in general

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

i am fine with the change.

1. mesmer NA is fine with change, sounds like L2P issue jumper.

they need to do something like “gives x% chance to unstealth” so your aoe or whatever has % to de stealth the player if it lands.

JonPeters.5630:

felivear.1536:

JonPeters.5630:

This is not true, skills have a cast time and after cast based on the animation they use. To ease any thief worries we are not limiting back to back skill use on purpose. This is in fact the point of initiative and why thieves feel different than other professions.

just curious, are you happy with and is it your intention for moves with no cast time to be able to be used in the middle of a move with a cast time? For instance lightning flash during churning earth and steal during cloak and dagger.

Yes this is part of the design of the combat.

was it designed for HS to be a spammable gap closer that requires no skill to land on target?

ilJumperMT.4871:

There is more then .25 delay. Shatters are totally unresponsive now.

Guess time for everyone to roll haste BV thief

you could always spend more time getting stomped on your necro in hot joins

Pyrial.2917:

This ship is going down fast like Trion/Rift…Expecting staff cuts soon. How soon? I can’t tell you as I don’t want to ruin the surprise.

rift is one of the only mmos since wow to maintain a subscription fee for coming on 2 years now (march 2011 release). I wouldnt say they failed.

JonPeters.5630:

Because Jonathan knows more about what we are doing with PvP, and because we don’t say we are doing X until we are 100% doing it or else we get a lot of you said X, I wants it NOW!!!

is there a reason you dont use a public test server to let us decide if you should do it 100% rather than telling us what we should like? i.e you release some tourney fixes and single match options on test server, we tell you what we like/dont like, rather than just releasing something live that nobody likes. I’m fearing you are going to release match making with seeded tournaments where the 8 seed will face the best team in the first round and likely never make it past round 1, ever.

Also if match making/ladder/ranking/whatever is due out in February how do you not know what direction you are going yet?

Example how RIFT does things (fwiw i quit rift a year ago, but still feel they communicated properly):
-post from dev about possibility of gear normalization on forums for discussion
-release gear normalization patch on test server
-discuss gear normalization with players
-end up not releasing gear normalization to live.

Had they done that the Anet way it would have been here is gear normalization on live server, oh you dont like it, well we will work on something for next patch rotation but dont have any details to tell you about yet.

JonPeters.5630:

Jonathan is out until Monday but I’ll try and get him to respond. Short answer is we are listening to you and you will hear more soon.

Jon

why cant you just say “yes we will have single match with rating” or “no we are keeping tournament and tweaking with more info soon”

ilJumperMT.4871:

Sprawl.3891:

ilJumperMT.4871:

Sprawl.3891:

ilJumperMT.4871:

Sprawl.3891:

ilJumperMT.4871:

Jumper.9482:

0.25 seconds. What do you know? the same amount of time to react to the standard cloak-steal-stab combo.
Balanced.
Thank you ANet.

So now I cannot use distorrtion on a cloak steal stab combo if I just pressed F1 or F2 or F3 so you die instantly.

dodge like every other class has to

Thief can spam Disabling shot
Ranger can use 1h Sword to dodge
Necro can use Death Shroud
Ele can use Armor of Earth of Mist form
Guardain can use one of the 4353453453425345 blocks he has
Warrior can use shield block or endure pain.

mesmer can blink or staff 2 or sword 2, your point?

Cooldowns and weapon swap?

what does necro do at start of match with no life force to death shroud? what does thief do if he’s not sitting in SB? Rangers run around in sword a lot? loving the hypocrisy. Deal with it the same way every other class does when they get caught with no defensive CDs, get 1 shot like a man or use a more balanced build, knight amulet, whatever.

btw mesmer is my main but i dont run shatter and slot decoy, blink, portal in tourny

Phantasm mesmers suck in tourney and condition work the same kittenter just different rune and confusion lasts longer trait.

what does that have to do with your fail argument? Mesmer has equal ability to avoid a thief burst compared with every other class, if not more. The fact that you are even saying “well what do i do if i have no endurance or defensive CDs left” is just laughable. WTF does every other class do in that situation? Why do you think there are 5 posts about QQ thief burst every day lol, amazing.

I always troll as much as possible in hot join (Rg Three, Tech Fall, Sprawl in game). The best is when glass thief or HB warriors or DD eles start complaining about how stupid mesmers are.

ilJumperMT.4871:

Sprawl.3891:

ilJumperMT.4871:

Sprawl.3891:

ilJumperMT.4871:

Jumper.9482:

0.25 seconds. What do you know? the same amount of time to react to the standard cloak-steal-stab combo.
Balanced.
Thank you ANet.

So now I cannot use distorrtion on a cloak steal stab combo if I just pressed F1 or F2 or F3 so you die instantly.

dodge like every other class has to

Thief can spam Disabling shot
Ranger can use 1h Sword to dodge
Necro can use Death Shroud
Ele can use Armor of Earth of Mist form
Guardain can use one of the 4353453453425345 blocks he has
Warrior can use shield block or endure pain.

mesmer can blink or staff 2 or sword 2, your point?

Cooldowns and weapon swap?

what does necro do at start of match with no life force to death shroud? what does thief do if he’s not sitting in SB? Rangers run around in sword a lot? loving the hypocrisy. Deal with it the same way every other class does when they get caught with no defensive CDs, get 1 shot like a man or use a more balanced build, knight amulet, whatever.

btw mesmer is my main but i dont run shatter and slot decoy, blink, portal in tourny