Guild Wars 2

Shukran.4851:

Sprawl.3891:

ilJumperMT.4871:

Sprawl.3891:

ilJumperMT.4871:

Jumper.9482:

0.25 seconds. What do you know? the same amount of time to react to the standard cloak-steal-stab combo.
Balanced.
Thank you ANet.

So now I cannot use distorrtion on a cloak steal stab combo if I just pressed F1 or F2 or F3 so you die instantly.

dodge like every other class has to

Thief can spam Disabling shot
Ranger can use 1h Sword to dodge
Necro can use Death Shroud
Ele can use Armor of Earth of Mist form
Guardain can use one of the 4353453453425345 blocks he has
Warrior can use shield block or endure pain.

mesmer can blink or staff 2 or sword 2, your point?

sorry but Sprawl is right this time. and btw, .25secs you must wait between F4 and combo is so short i dubt it wil have any relevance in the game.

i just dont get what his point is. earlier in the thread he’s complaining well what if i have no endurance or my weapon swap is on cooldown. Seriously? What does every other classes do in the same instance? Get 1 shot by the thief, so why should mesmer be any different. Welcome to part of the reason casuals hate this game so much when you have 2-5 glass thief running around per team, you only have so many ways to avoid it.

ilJumperMT.4871:

Sprawl.3891:

ilJumperMT.4871:

Jumper.9482:

0.25 seconds. What do you know? the same amount of time to react to the standard cloak-steal-stab combo.
Balanced.
Thank you ANet.

So now I cannot use distorrtion on a cloak steal stab combo if I just pressed F1 or F2 or F3 so you die instantly.

dodge like every other class has to

Thief can spam Disabling shot
Ranger can use 1h Sword to dodge
Necro can use Death Shroud
Ele can use Armor of Earth of Mist form
Guardain can use one of the 4353453453425345 blocks he has
Warrior can use shield block or endure pain.

mesmer can blink or staff 2 or sword 2, your point?

ilJumperMT.4871:

Jumper.9482:

0.25 seconds. What do you know? the same amount of time to react to the standard cloak-steal-stab combo.
Balanced.
Thank you ANet.

So now I cannot use distorrtion on a cloak steal stab combo if I just pressed F1 or F2 or F3 so you die instantly.

dodge like every other class has to

Hyxorcisten.5786:

Actually It was two mesmers telling me about this, and one of them said it still works after the patch.

SAtaarcoeny, I think the sword blink is enough.

considering jumper says your team has a thief that uses macros it wouldnt surprise me you know about other exploits as well

so what you are saying is before you could just faceroll now you have to pay attention before faceroll. got it.

as a non shatter mesmer I love this mini patch.

wow I don’t think I’ve ever lost that bad in hotjoin or even 5v4 vs a premade in tourney lol

they put more effort into the holiday event PvP mini games than spvp.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Sprawl.3891:

That’s great and all but you see the message it sends when you respond to stuff about camera which you rarely, if ever, see posts about while ignoring bigger features. And you don’t need to respond to game-wide-issue posts but what about things like this:…

I know it seems like unfair treatment, but the truth is that not everyone has the luxury to be on the forums as much as others. Things like custom arenas and matchmaking really deserve blog posts.

yes we deserve a blog post, so where is it? These features are due out in a month and we have zero details on them. Last time you mentioned a blog post it took a month to go thorough editing and review. So unless you have a blog post already complete i guess we are SOL until the features are released live and we figure it out on our own? We have not received any real information trailing all the way back to the “iceberg” blog which was basically just an overly homogenized “outline” of features that should have been in the game at launch.

As shukran posted some type of weekly content blog would be great. I just don’t see how you dont have any details on features due out in a month.

Syko.3726:

I’m surprised this thread isnt closed yet and all the posters infracted..

I just got infracted cuz I said +1 on some other thread, seems legit .

better delete that or youll get infracted for mentioning you got infracted (no joke lol)

lets stay on topic gaiz gw2 best evar u dont like cuz u not skillz

i can 1v2 quite well

only on my mesmer

leman.7682:

Nearest SOTG’s topics rundown:

1. EU or NA – who is the best?
2. EU or NA – who is the best?
3. EU or NA – who is the best?
4. Danto.
5. Vain.
6. …
7. …
8. ?
9. GW2 PvP Discussion.

i think it will be more like this.

1. balance is good just need bug fixes, casuals just need to l2p
2. shatter mesmers and bs thief are loleasy to counter, casuals need to l2p
3. why arent casuals having fun? idk next,
4. why do so few teams do paids? idk next,
5. we like tournaments even though everyone else wants single matches
6. we have no clue what the euro meta is

Lachanche.6859:

This game totally needs someone to self righteously claim himself as the best ranger around pretty much like what happened on “a game with dc characters in it”.
Link for reference so that everyone can see the best player of said game -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9OO7vuxAPI

On the RIFT forums I would go around telling everyone my brother (Meduza) was #1 ranked mage in the game (game has no rankings) and would hype every post he made and continually bump any video he posted. He was definitely one of the best mages but simply posting “#1 mage on rift” anytime after he posted something got many peoples panties in a bunch and got him more video views and attention than any other mage lol

Top 5:

1. Dylan
2. Dylan
3. Dylan
4. Dylan
5. Dylan

Evan Lesh.3295:

Oni.5429:

Evan Lesh.3295:

Klinch.2964:

Sprawl, many threads created lately have already been talked about many other times. It sucks that when ANET don’t reply to these repeated threads, everyone complains that ANET doesn’t communicate with the community.

This may be true. I only have enough time to stay attached to one forum, so this is the obvious choice since I’m on the sPvP team. This means two things: First, I see the repeat threads and don’t have time to post in them; hoping that the community will reference the older posts. Second, I will jump on opportunities to spread my knowledge that I wouldn’t be able to otherwise, like in this thread.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Spvp-destiny-A-message-for-Jonathan-Sharp/first#post1132982

This is no repeat thread, and it’s an important thread and point. If you could make some time to read (and more or less aknowledge) the concerns you’ll do something huge for the PVP community.

Things of this magnitude (touches many many design points of sPvP) are not something I like to answer as a programmer. I wouldn’t do the thread justice as I haven’t spent nearly as much time thinking about those issues as the designers. This thread is brand new, so please give time for people to come back from break who can answer it better than me.

That’s great and all but you see the message it sends when you respond to stuff about camera which you rarely, if ever, see posts about while ignoring bigger features. And you don’t need to respond to game-wide-issue posts but what about things like this:

-info about the ranking system that is supposedly coming in a month. How will it work? What kind of system? You are telling us you can’t provide ANY details on something that is only a month away? I

-info on private servers? Again, only a month away yet we have ZERO info. Cost to rent? Customization options? Anything?

and the list goes on

You also mention your list of 50 things you’d like to do with camera toggle being one, well what are the other 49? You realize you provide very poor detailed communication on what you are working on.

Part of the issue is lack of public test server. There are numerous game breaking bugs (block bug, naked mesmer clones, shatter bug, etc.) that would have easily been caught in a public test server, yet you don’t have one. Public test servers are also great for testing IDEAS prior to releasing. Instead of just dropping custom servers and ranking system on us in live you could release in a test server and tweak from there based on feedback. Go take a look at RIFT for proper public testing. They often make many balance tweaks to game modes, balance, etc. put them on the test server and post in the pvp forums for people to specifically go test the changes, then tweak, then release live. I don’t understand why you don’t do that.

Braxxus.2904:

EaGrimdarK.7849:

I really dont understand how a couple people here in my thread dont understand how positive feedback is also considered constructive criticism(aka discussion). You probably have never been in management or leadership type roles in your lives, which is why you dont understand.

Because all of your posts are ego driven, elitism deifying, narcissistic swill which boils down to a belief that you are above anyone not like you. It is of course also a complete trolling based fabrication most likely and in the end just silly.

owned.

also there is no discussion going on in this thread, it’s just “gw2 pvp is awesum! if u dont like ur bad l2p”

uwo.8197:

Sprawl.3891:

of all the threads on pvp forum they respond to the one mouse turning thread, wow.

Actually, it’s really nice to see willingness to discuss core mechanics/functionality like this. Furthermore, he was completely transparent about the process behind evaluating such a change.

thats great but its the equivalent of a mechanic talking to you about your wiper blades when your engine is on fire.

of all the threads on pvp forum they respond to the one mouse turning thread, wow.

i thought saraactomey or whatever his name is said his team was #1 and has no competition

wheres cute lil teldo in all this? I miss his cute accent and whining when he gets blown up, i want to know his thoughts.

Lixion.8457:

If anyone can fill me in on this Godly EU Meta, I’d love to know what it is….

5x shatter mesmer

white glove face slap duel challenges! Moar!

hey I’d go but I can’t talk in voice chat after like 9pm cuz my sleeping preggers wife can hear me (first world problems). I know you have messaged me in game previously but didn’t get a chance to respond. but if Ya need a mesmer or necro who can listen and is skilled lemme know. I know, I should move my comp to the basement of our house :/

Naito.5693:

The whole US paid tourney scene is a joke. You are 2 months behind the meta. I’ve watched all your streams, you are utterly bad. Shut it.
This thread is boring.
Angry americans are angry.
I kind of agree with Ace of Spades.
This thread is so boring that I can’t even be annoyed to make a proper response.
I like pies.

this thread is awesome

the problem is most premades get stomped in paid so they go back to farming pugs in frees (how they find this fun I will never know). there is no middle tier which is sad because apparently gw1 offered a pug/premade separation.

grimdark dude, nobody is complaining about easy or hard. read the complaints from people like sataar and soko or anyone else. the complaints are about lack of fundamental features and systems to make the game enjoyable to both casuals and elite players. there are elite teams who had qps who have quit like seether and his team due to tournament issues just the same as there are casuals quitting due to hot join and pug issues. get a clue.

Sylv.5324:

Vail.1065:

From what I can see the biggest complaint right now is a lack of end game for PvErs. That is not a little thing, something you can just shrug off and find something else to do. Not if your main interest is PvE. So what other choice do people have other than go and find some other game?

Because expansions never happen? You guys want years’ worth of content in a new release and then freak out when it’s not there. Would you like to pay ANet millions more so they can produce that content, since you magically expect it to manifest from some lost dimension of time and money?

You guys knew what you were getting when you bought the game: an initial release focusing more heavily on the 1-80 experience, with 80+ content coming through free and paid expansions. Everybody said this. Reviewers said it. Beta testers said it. Forums said it. But now it’s like you’re willfully forgetting and refusing to wait, as you were told would happen.

I’m sorry you guys decided to burn through part of the content and then refuse to do any more, but that’s on you guys, and that is not ANet’s fault.

Edit: and before you call me a casual, I’ve put in 1600 hours or so into this game, with 1500 on one character, and I still have plenty of things left to do.

just because there are things to do doesn’t mean people enjoy doing them.

Sylv.5324:

Sprawl.3891:

read the op, why do you think his 30 guild mates quit and went back to other games? why have so many others reported guilds losing majority of members back to other games?

They’re the same folks who do this in every new game. What they need to do is stop doing this, and instead tell WoW that they want their graphics upgraded. That way, us fans of games that are not WoW will stop seeing our devs getting jerked around by fairweather folks who say they want something different but really don’t.

I was actually thinking rift, most I know went back to that.

Lankybrit.4598:

Sprawl.3891:

Karizee.8076:

Terribly sorry to hear your guild failed. Maybe you should join an active one?

Mine is doing great. 60-100 people logged on at any given time, generally up to 250 people a day (btw, you can check the daily logins under the transaction tab on the guild pane)

We run dungeons, do some WvW, lots of events, and people working on their legendaries. I can’t hardly keep up with gchat these days.

The game is still young. As it continues to add MORE FREE CONTENT and MORE FEATURES each and every month FOR FREE, it’s going to be (as Angry Joe said) the nail in the coffin for paid subscription models.

no it’s not, this game offers nothing that monthly fee mmos offer.

What do you mean?

What do I get extra with monthly fee MMOs (like WoW)? End game Raids and grinding for gear? Is that it? Feeling like you have to log on every day to do Dailies to get your $15 worth?

GW2 has the same (or better) leveling, crafting, questing/hearts, events, exploration, guilds, trading post/AH, etc, etc. that WoW (or other monthly sub MMOs have).

So, what do you mean?

Cheers.

read the op, why do you think his 30 guild mates quit and went back to other games? why have so many others reported guilds losing majority of members back to other games?

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Well, first off, I would mention that WoW is the sole remaining major MMO without a free to play/cash shop option. So, being subscription free is really not a consideration.

rift still has a fee and is doing very well.

Karizee.8076:

Terribly sorry to hear your guild failed. Maybe you should join an active one?

Mine is doing great. 60-100 people logged on at any given time, generally up to 250 people a day (btw, you can check the daily logins under the transaction tab on the guild pane)

We run dungeons, do some WvW, lots of events, and people working on their legendaries. I can’t hardly keep up with gchat these days.

The game is still young. As it continues to add MORE FREE CONTENT and MORE FEATURES each and every month FOR FREE, it’s going to be (as Angry Joe said) the nail in the coffin for paid subscription models.

no it’s not, this game offers nothing that monthly fee mmos offer.

I haven’t done any dungeons but from what I hear every boss is kite and kill and dodge attacks, sounds very boring

too much zerging and whatever server has better coverage and size wins, no skill required

where’s the red post you said we were getting today?

MaXi.3642:

Sprawl.3891:

yup, anet thinks this is a fps for some reason. casual people want set single map matches that penalize quitters and reward winning. instead we got hotjoin zergfest where everyone runs glass cannon circle zeros cap points and quits when the water map comes up.

go play tournaments… hot join is what it is supposed to be

I don’t want to put in work in a game to find 4 other people to enjoy PvP. 5v5 arena was the least played in wow for a reason. and solo queue just ends up 5v4 or pug vs premade.

yup, anet thinks this is a fps for some reason. casual people want set single map matches that penalize quitters and reward winning. instead we got hotjoin zergfest where everyone runs glass cannon circle zeros cap points and quits when the water map comes up.

Seis.4091:

EaGrimdarK, ty for that awsome topic. Keep up the good work, don’t let anyone say something negative about this game.

The pvp is awsome, the balance is good, there’s a lot of challenge, GW2 is going to be as popular as SC2 for sure.

my sarcasm detector is for going off

EaGrimdarK.7849:

Shukran.4851:

this game right now is a closed beta: closed because u need to buy the game to play, beta because the game is incomplete.
i can understand a lot of players like this game. but it does not means this game is competitive enough to “live” peacefully for the next 3-5 years because of no other better games.
it means for me that if i could , i would no have spent €50 for this game. not right now.

How is this game incomplete? Because everything that will ever come out for it isnt out yet? Your statement is really ridiculous. WoW, WAR, Aion, and Rift, 4 very popular MMO launches in the US all lacked MAJOR aspects at launch, did you make the exact same post on those forums about them being incomplete? Were you around for ANY of those launches? Do you actually have enough experience with this sort of thing to make these kinds of stupid claims? I dont care what you say your credentials are but you should ask yourself these questions before saying something is incomplete. By saying this game is incomplete you are proving you dont know what an average MMO release/first year is like. You probably mainly play console games.

if you are going to spout off at the mouth like anet did and claim the game is gonna be the next major esport and then release without a ladder, without spectator, without private servers, without pug vs premade separation, its incomplete. add on top of that it took 3 months to get a blog post about things to come and what is looking like another 3 months for just one feature to be released its quite sad for a triple a release. it seems like ladders and pug separation weren’t even in development, just custom servers. it took players asking wtf to get them to prioritize ladder over custom servers, backwards thinking right there.

and what major systems was rift missing at launch? rift offered multiple maps and game types, PvP ranks and gear and even added more ranks, more gear and more maps before most people even hit max rank.

also war and aion were f2p failures due to lack of content send fixes, great comparison there lol.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

Lixion.8457:

You think they’ll pay attention if we keep it at the top for awhile?

they already read it over the weekend they will discuss it when they get back in the office tomorrow. depending on the discussion they will have a dev reply to the post either

yes this is great ty sat for saving our idea we are happy we can keep tournaments.

at this time something like this would not be a viable time expence for our pvp team.

either way we will get a reply soon.

proof they read and will respond?

Akumetsu.8591:

the spvp rooms and tournys are likely not as full because it holiday time and people are either away or spending tie with family. To expect them to be as full as 2 months ago is just silly. Spvp is not dying its just the majority of people on the forums are only hear to complain about how they got owned and cant be bothered to think about a way to defend against it. Which means they will always be beaten by players that try to figure out things and learn how and when to use all of there abilities. if you look at most good players not even top players in top 10 teams but teams that do well in frees, these players you will never see them complain about classes being op because they have found ways around them through teamwork/ own abilities.

premades doing free tournaments is faceroll since you play vs pugs 90% of your matches. The problem, and reason many on the forums are complaining is that mid-tier teams have no where to play. They can’t beat top teams in paids and they roflstomp pugs in frees, both ways, not fun. People like you though seem to be oblivious to this issue and the many posts of “good” players who have quit because of these issues. The “good” players who only play free tournaments are norhing more than pug farmers who cant cut it in paids. I used to run premades in free tournaments at release, before paids came out, and every now and then you get another premade in round 3 but aside from that it was 500-0XX boring pug farm. Now my friends list which was 30 deep is 0 active and there’s no reason to try and form a premade to do free tournaments and roll pugs all night, and nobody wants to invest the time to face 8-hour/day QP farmers since there is no match making system.

i’m not and havent complained about burst, or balance, or OP classes – i play thief, mesmer, ranger and necro in spvp. im complaining about the horrible systems and lack of features this game has.

EaGrimdarK.7849:

Sprawl.3891:

if nobody else agreed with him PvP would be thriving, but it’s not. paids only pop during primetime, frees have longer and longer waits and less and less hot join servers are full. there’s a reason for all of that.

I have to agree with everyone else besides you because they are right and you are wrong, free’s queues have only gotten faster since paid’s have lost interest. And hotjoin servers are just as full as ever. You clearly do not pvp and have stated before that you have no interest in anet’s pvp so who are you in here with your garbage opinion? You keep commenting these empty responses that no one believes because they’re simply not true. If you want spvp to be dead so bad why are you still here? Why dont you leave and join the rage-quit-pub-scrubs that you are saying is the majority of people that tried spvp.

Anyways, in response to a couple posts above me: Ive found that when you play a main in spvp and then move onto a new class it’s easy to expect the class you are playing to preform a certain way since you see it perform that way when you play against it all the time. Also its very tempting and easy to hop onto your main when you are on an alt and losing in spvp, because you feel like if you were on your main you could pwn faces. There are a lot of hard to find tricks, synergies, and combos that are hard to see at first, but for me the reward is being proficient in multiple archetypes and builds within those archetypes. Being a well rounded player is essential to your success in sPvP, which to me is really really awesome.

They’ve designed a game with amazing role archetypes, diversity of classes and builds within those archetypes in an environment that doesnt require you but rewards you if you are well rounded and proficient in multiple builds on multiple classes.

hot joins are not full as ever lol, uncheck show empty in your options and take a screen shot then compare that to a couple months ago. or just do show full and add up the number of people playing and compare that to the active prime time pop in other successful PvP games, it’s sad

Walorx.5129:

I’ve found an exploit to always get 5 decent players on your team every game. All you have to do is join/make a team with 4 others and press “invite party” at the tourney npc. Once you do that, you’ll have 5 people almost garuntee! It’s a pretty sweet exploit

5v5 arena in WoW was the least played, least popular arena format because most players dont want to be forced to spend time spamming chat for other players, or put in work to build a team where it’s difficult to have everyone online at the same time.

Anet obviously intended for people to solo queue into free tournaments and it should not be our responsibility to work around a broken mechanic of games starting with less than 5 people, which has been complained about since release.

They need to add a deserter debuff already like every other game. If you dont have time to play through a full tourney or quit when you’re losing you should face a strong penalty. Adding a deserter debuff that doesn’t allow you to do any tournaments or hot join matches for 30-60 min+, in game time only, will get the bads to stop queuing/quitting.

Sylosi.6503:

Gilgamesh.2561:

LoL figured it out. We just need the LoL developers to make a PvP MMO.

You mean ultra dull combat mechanics, 15 mins of whack a mole at the start of each game and raging 12 year olds…

you ever listen to some of the elite teams streams in gw2? raging 12 year olds with accents. teldo ratings fits are my fav

EaGrimdarK.7849:

Angelus.1042:

sPVP is a joke…PVE is ok.

When they made GW2 it was for PVE…they didnt care about sPVP like they did in GW1…all they did was push the PVE stuff and ZergVZerg (WvWvW)

Um..wut? I appreciate your…opinion? But I just cant believe anyone who likes pve over pvp has a real opinion worth caring about. I dont think anyone but Sprawl would think your post has any merit. But thanks for…trying?

Its like a chess player claiming computers are better opponents. Sure, you can write a chess program thats insanely hard, but the challenge is improving yourself not trying until you eventually win. If you think theres any merit in trying the same thing until you win you dont belong here. Sorry, its just the truth. You have no real opinion here, but i still appreciate you offering one…I guess. lol

if nobody else agreed with him PvP would be thriving, but it’s not. paids only pop during primetime, frees have longer and longer waits and less and less hot join servers are full. there’s a reason for all of that.

Baam.2493:

Mufa.1326:

Braxxus is completely right here. FPS games (let us ignore TF for a sec) PROVE (without any doubt) that 1v1 balance (which comes automatically) does not make 5v5 balance ‘impossible’ (actually it is prerequisite for it unless we want some classes to just be ignored (severely underrepresented) as is the case now).
So this issue should just be put to rest.
Sit in the corner for a second and think about it again:
FPS games PROVE (without DOUBT) that 1v1 balance does not make 5v5 balance impossible. DONE.
The claim that ‘1v1 balance makes 5v5 balance impossible’ should never ever be repeated again after you grasp above.
And also people who have trouble grasping the above, should not participate in discussions about balance, or design balance for games.

They don’t prove that at all…
Could you please explain what you think “balance” means? Because ATM its rather unclear to me what you think it is. I also think you don’t fully understand GW2 PvP, balance, and the meta; yet you talk like your opinion is fact. (no offense, but this is starting to kitten me off slightly, pet peeve of mine :P)

any class can beat any class 1v1 depending on spec, 1v1 would be fine/fun

Kavia.8249:

Sprawl.3891:

why do you call it bad luck of bracket setup? even if they did seeding worst team plays best team, that’s how seeded tournaments work. It would be stupid to have equal rank teams playing each other in the opening rounds. Even when they add rankings it will be highest rank team (1) plays lowest ranked (8), 2v7, 3v6, 4v5. More of a reason why tournaments are a dumb idea.

so if they add rankings and seed tournaments like all tournaments are, if you are lowest ranked team queuing for paids you will face #1 team 1st round, every game. Enjoy!

I call it bad luck b/c who you meet in round 1 is essentially random at the moment, and whether you get to play 2-3 games vs. 1 for your 5 tickets is kinda luck of the draw even if you’re better than most teams in the tourney. I just really like the idea of getting a guaranteed 3 games for your “money”.

Rankings and seeding assume you had preliminary rounds to determine seed position. Since we don’t have that (yet), they should do a multilevel tournament. See: http://tinyurl.com/bb85vu3

would be nice but theres no way we are getting anything new with tournaments before february ladder/pvp update

Hammerheart.1426:

Sprawl.3891:

EaGrimdarK.7849:

Thanks Hammerheart, I love sPvP too. I guess I got distracted by Sprawl justifying points that were irrelevant to the subject that no one disputed in the first place. I think he thinks hes right versus me, or something that people on the jersey shore think.

Casuals care about content, elitists care about quality and enjoy it knowing content will be released though it might not be 4 months after release(these people are also often referred to as adults, which isnt necessarily true but often the case). I love the sPvP, the archetypes are great, the classes themselves are great and present diversity amongst the archetypes, the maps are fluent and feel relevant to the surroundings(instead of random blacksmith shops, farms, lumber yards, stables and mines surrounded by impossible-to-scale mountains).

thats cool and you adults can enjoy the pvp just like the “adults” still enjoying swtor, warhammer, pirates of the burning sea, age of conan, and many other amazing games.

You add absolutely nothing to this thread but a sour attitude. Please participate somewhere else.

im sorry i missed the member only lock on this thread. also curious what blind praise threads add to the pvp discussion? oh right, nothing.

EaGrimdarK.7849:

Sprawl.3891:

what else would it be? they havent said anything to make anyone think otherwise and the only system they offer currently is tournaments.

Do you always jump to conclusions? I dont really see anything constructive in this thread, just some close minded ideas and a few people who are right. Theres nothing wrong with the tournament system imo, everything ever can be improved once Sprawl nit-picks it, and according to anet in the state of the game adress they are working on improving it.

I like how you stated ‘they havent said anything to make anyone think otherwise’ when you can go to the front page and read articles that address this, albeit briefly, and then reference the current state of the game. They have said things to make people think differently about this, but they arent implemented yet. So saying they havent said anything about it yet and pointing to what is right now in the game is kind of..oh idk backwards.

and if you actually read the thread someone already posted that they did say it will be tourney based, thanks for stalking me bro.

so its either seeded or random draw tournaments, either way a horrible system to add a ladder, and either way lower ranked/new teams will struggle to move up the ranks. exactly what they dont need when the playerbase is already borderline too small for 8 team tournaments.

EaGrimdarK.7849:

Thanks Hammerheart, I love sPvP too. I guess I got distracted by Sprawl justifying points that were irrelevant to the subject that no one disputed in the first place. I think he thinks hes right versus me, or something that people on the jersey shore think.

Casuals care about content, elitists care about quality and enjoy it knowing content will be released though it might not be 4 months after release(these people are also often referred to as adults, which isnt necessarily true but often the case). I love the sPvP, the archetypes are great, the classes themselves are great and present diversity amongst the archetypes, the maps are fluent and feel relevant to the surroundings(instead of random blacksmith shops, farms, lumber yards, stables and mines surrounded by impossible-to-scale mountains).

thats cool and you adults can enjoy the pvp just like the “adults” still enjoying swtor, warhammer, pirates of the burning sea, age of conan, and many other amazing games.