Guild Wars 2

EaGrimdarK.7849:

Braxxus.2904:

Actually you’re just another narcissitic kiddy kitten himself to his own imagined elitist grandeur and trying not to get cheeto dust on your unit.

I mean, that’s pretty much the idea that your self obsessed post gave off anyways.

Sounds like I hit a nerve, though Im not sure what I said that upset you, I love PvP!!!! Even people that admitted they arent amazing can at least post on topic. The only time I mentioned myself was when I was referencing what I loved about it. In fact I used the words “we” and “us” more so than “I”.

I think I’m reading what you wrote wrong, Braxxus. Is English your first language? You clearly didnt read what I wrote, or maybe something you dont understand is upsetting you. If you have anything constructive to say or any real questions to ask I would love to answer them for you.

Sprawl.3891:

why do i need to look at GW1? Did GW1 have the same emphasis on PvE as GW2? Oh, no it didn’t? I can look at GW2 and see there has been multiple massive PvE updates and zero PvP updates. I can look at GW2 and see issues and features that were requested in BETA #1 that still aren’t here. That’s all I need to see, thanks.
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Well this is about pvp not pve, so im not sure where you are going with this. You dont seem to ever have any real solid points and your opinion doesnt seem worth while either. If there was any legitimacy to what you are saying other than you stating your opinion as fact I might actually care.

Dont you think there is enough blind negativity on these forums? Why are you here if you dont enjoy sPvP? You are wasting your own time, which says a lot about you, you aren’t leaving a good impression on anyone in the sPvP community.

Also, if you played the game past August you would be aware of the significant attention they have paid to sPvP. What they haven’t wasted their time on is whiny, bottomless, no-substance suggestions and insults from people like you. hahaha

Can we please stay on topic?

what is opinion about the game releasing tons of content for pve and nothing for pvp? what is opinion about gw1 being pvp centered and gw2 being pve centered? these are facts.

and you are right they havent wasted their time on casuals which is why the pvp playerbase is so small and shrinking by the week.

EaGrimdarK.7849:

Sprawl.3891:

exactly, it’s hot join and it’s stupid. this isn’t a fps. every other mmo uses single matches with deserter debuff. hot joins aren’t fun for casuals because of quitters and zerging, forcing them to form 5 man groups will make them quit even faster.

You are clearly not a pvp’er hahahahaha. This isnt Guild Wars Casual Crowd 2. This is Guild Wars 2, the next version of the e-sport heavy Guild Wars. CLEARLY NOT FOR CASUALS. You just now figured this out?

not sure if serious. casuals are what make a game an e-sport, not the pros. Pros come to the game when there are lots of casuals playing and thus watching their streams, watching their vids, spectating their matches.

The sooner you realize this the sooner you will understand why this game will not be an e-sport any time soon.

Fix the game to make it better for casuals = more players. more players = more people making teams. more teams = more competition. more competition = more elite teams. Amazing people still need this explained to them. You are like the elite players oblivious to the casual scene complaining about how there are no paid tourney queues outside of a 3 hour window.

EaGrimdarK.7849:

Sprawl.3891:

starting to sound like swtor forums. gaiz haz patience awesomeness is near!

First of all this is a thread for people who love sPvP. Please stay on topic, go to the swtor forums or somewhere where your attitude is popular, like runescape, 4chan, reddit or 8th grade.

Im not sure what you mean, I never made the obvious mistake of playing swtor. I did play gw1 however, which you clearly didnt. You should take a look at the content release record of gw1.

Unlike SWTOR, you can look back at gw1 and have an educated idea as to what to expect. So, yeah…patience has actually been proven to be rewarding with anet.

why do i need to look at GW1? Did GW1 have the same emphasis on PvE as GW2? Oh, no it didn’t? I can look at GW2 and see there has been multiple massive PvE updates and zero PvP updates. I can look at GW2 and see issues and features that were requested in BETA #1 that still aren’t here. That’s all I need to see, thanks.

Touting pre-release how they are developing the game to be an e-sport and release without match making? without spectator? What have we got? Oh right 1 new map and working paid tournaments (a feature that was working fine in beta) that offer QPs used for nothing. I should sure go tell my competitive gaming friends to come play this awesome pvp system.

But hey, counting beta time we will have matchmaking system ~9 months after it was requested and only because people complained so loudly that they should add matchmaking BEFORE custom servers, which was their original backwards thinking. Great development speed right there.

starting to sound like swtor forums. gaiz haz patience awesomeness is near!

this is the reason 5v5 arena in wow was least played. really hope anet figures this out

Arheundel.6451:

Sprawl.3891:

Arheundel.6451:

I laugh at people who still bash at hot join, you’ve been crying for how long to get a 5vs5 mode…and look at it now, the 8vs8 zerg is still there, full servers againt the almost empty 5vs5 servers.

I call it hypocrisy, you want easy mode on everything and the first sign of loss or you rage quit…or come whine on the forums with OP this and OP that, the 5vs5 servers are there already..so why you keep kittening crying? and why the 5vs5 servers are so kittening empty?…lol

5v5 didn’t work because there is no deserter debuff. i have yet to see a game start/finish 5v5 because people can just afk, quit when losing, etc. If they did lock matches like every other mmo pvp out there that rewarded winning the most and gave you 30 min debuff if you quit 5v5 would be the most played. Add to the glory grind, and rewarding kills more than control/winning and people just go back to 8v8 since it rewards the most glory. Just more backward thinking by Anet.

There cannot be a deserter debuff because it’s hot join we’re talking about if you want to win that bad you go tournament, about free tournament they should simply remove the single join option and make it a full pre-made mode minus the tickets entrance.

-Add a search party option
-Better rewards for free tournaments
-As teams get better they can try to go paid

exactly, it’s hot join and it’s stupid. this isn’t a fps. every other mmo uses single matches with deserter debuff. hot joins aren’t fun for casuals because of quitters and zerging, forcing them to form 5 man groups will make them quit even faster.

tOss.9024:

Sprawl.3891:

tOss.9024:

When did they say matchmaking would be tournaments? Johnathon said himself they would two entirely different things.

huh? so there will be single team v single team matches? I think you are confusing his words.

I’m asking honestly, where did they say that mm would be tournaments?

what else would it be? they havent said anything to make anyone think otherwise and the only system they offer currently is tournaments.

tOss.9024:

When did they say matchmaking would be tournaments? Johnathon said himself they would two entirely different things.

huh? so there will be single team v single team matches? I think you are confusing his words.

i use this typically based off taugrims old build:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAR8alwzKq3QTmGZdJipC92JFUX0hqA2RqgqVSBvdhA;TsAg0Coo4ywlgLLXOukctsYYxGCA

you can use divinity runes as well and switch up the trinket as needed between berserker and knights combos.

i also use signet of domination sometimes for the stun.

edit: this is more of a hot join build. between decoy, blink and pistol 5 you can escape most battles even with glassy berserker jewelry

Seether.7285:

You can have a ranking system without having a seeding system like this…. But I agree that the tournament system should be scrapped in favor of a traditional matchmaking system.

what is the point of tournaments without seeding though? That’s the whole point of a tournament… the only tournament i know that does random draw is olympic wrestling but they do follow the leader to sorta make-up for it (follow the leader means if you lose 1st round and the team that beats you wins his next match you get pulled back in to a consolation round bracket). And even that system is a joke and most hate it.

i just dont see how you do rankings with random draw tournament. If you are a good team and only can play a few games a night during primetime and have kittenty luck and always get paired with a top 10 team, you will never move up in rating, just the same with seeded. There’s a reason every sport has regular season THEN tournaments.

If there were enough teams where you could have 3-5 tournaments running at a time with varying skill tiers it would work, but playerbase needs to like quadruple to pull that off without huge wait times, and we all know that aint happening.

Just posted this in another thread but figure post it here for discussion. Adding rankings isn’t going to help tournaments at all. The whole tournament system, with such a small player base is flawed. If they add rankings and seed tournaments based on rankings, whoever is the lowest ranked team queuing that night will continually be matched up against the highest ranked team in the first round.

This is how bracket seeding goes

1st seed plays 8 seed
2 plays 7
3 plays 6
4 plays 5

So basically for any low rank/new team to move up in rankings they will need to consistently beat a top ranked team in 1st round of paids to get out of that 8 seed slot.

What they need to do, like many others have said, is go to 1team v 1team matches (single match random map, best of 3, all 3 maps, whatever) based on ranking allowing teams to face equally ranked teams. Then do end of month/year tournaments with the top 8 teams broken into like a gold, silver, bronze tier.

Kavia.8249:

I think this would help our newly formed team very much. Frees are not much of a challenge unless we find a like-minded team queuing them b/c paids aren’t popping yet, but it is really frustrating to lose on map 1 due to bad luck on the bracket set up.

We would love to practice the second and third map against competitive pre-formed teams more often, and having a guaranteed 3 games for my 5 tickets would be great.

Knock all you want on paids, but I think they do effectively separate competitive pre-formed teams from total randoms without voice coms. I don’t think there is any total randoms or solo-queuers in paids. Frees would be nicer if they just gave everyone who played in the tourney a single tourney ticket – it would remove the impression of good teams “farming tickets” in frees (which at least to my team, seems really silly b/c we play frees only because its better than hotjoin in terms of a competitive game, not to farm tickets. You’re way better off PvE farming gold and trading gold for gems to buy tickets. Frees are a horribly inefficient way to farm tickets).

I think the loser’s bracket idea is worth supporting because it is feasible that this could be implemented easily with very little coding necessary on Anet’s part. There are other problems sure, but this is a simple change that I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who truly would not want this. So far the negative posts on this thread have all been saying “don’t do this because other things are more important” or “this wont fix pvp” but none of them say it will make it worse.

Please do this!

why do you call it bad luck of bracket setup? even if they did seeding worst team plays best team, that’s how seeded tournaments work. It would be stupid to have equal rank teams playing each other in the opening rounds. Even when they add rankings it will be highest rank team (1) plays lowest ranked (8), 2v7, 3v6, 4v5. More of a reason why tournaments are a dumb idea.

so if they add rankings and seed tournaments like all tournaments are, if you are lowest ranked team queuing for paids you will face #1 team 1st round, every game. Enjoy!

Arheundel.6451:

I laugh at people who still bash at hot join, you’ve been crying for how long to get a 5vs5 mode…and look at it now, the 8vs8 zerg is still there, full servers againt the almost empty 5vs5 servers.

I call it hypocrisy, you want easy mode on everything and the first sign of loss or you rage quit…or come whine on the forums with OP this and OP that, the 5vs5 servers are there already..so why you keep kittening crying? and why the 5vs5 servers are so kittening empty?…lol

5v5 didn’t work because there is no deserter debuff. i have yet to see a game start/finish 5v5 because people can just afk, quit when losing, etc. If they did lock matches like every other mmo pvp out there that rewarded winning the most and gave you 30 min debuff if you quit 5v5 would be the most played. Add to the glory grind, and rewarding kills more than control/winning and people just go back to 8v8 since it rewards the most glory. Just more backward thinking by Anet.

HappinessFactory.4910:

To be fair a lot of top players are very content with balance as it is now. Sure tweaks could be made but it’s pretty good atm. The thing I can’t wrap my head around is the lack of features. But supposedly the months to come in the new year will fix that.

yea and top players are playing against the same 10 or so teams every night because casuals are not having fun. LoL didn’t become popular because pro teams said it was a good balanced game, it became popular because casuals enjoy it, more casuals = more viewers for pros = more pros not the other way around.

Raytek.6193:

You’ve got it all wrong. There is no lottery style of rewards in this game, well maybe there is but it’s irrelevant due to crafting. There isn’t 1 time where I’ve bought 30 gold chests trying to get an item when I can craft it for the price of 1-2 slivers.

As far as burnout, PvE is facing the same issues. The rewards in this game for both PvE and PvP are visual items (and in PvP, the competitive drive to get better and be a top player). You shouldn’t have to justify PvPing because you get “rewards”. The PvP itself is the reward.

Of course what we’re seeing at a competitive level is teams getting frustrated due to lack of competitive features. They all want to get better, and you don’t get better by playing 1 sided matches all day against ‘pro’ teams. Replays would help people see what strategies work, who isn’t pulling their weight, and what the other team did that made them win instead of yours. Detailed stats would let us see how much damage our team is doing compared to theirs. Rating helps keep competition alive and is 100% needed for a “competitive” game. It helps drive players to strive for a higher rating and get better.

Do you think nearly as many people would play LoL if it didn’t have matchmaking and rating? It’s like playing people in diamond vs bronze Starcraft.

if you arent going to reward pvpers then make the pvp portion of the game free to play with no purchase. This is boxed as a progression based mmo, people want progression. PvPing just for fun is great for the super leet pros who want their name on a ladder but not casuals, and the lack of casuals is what is hurting gw2 the most. Adding a ladder isn’t going to bring casuals back, just a few elite teams maybe.

Daecollo.9578:

Sprawl.3891:

Daecollo.9578:

Delofakitten.4231:

Countless is a very good player, I’ve run into him before and so if he’s saying it is a little over the top to be stealthed that much for that long, well I would listen. That said, I too feel that stealth is a little out of control, I too play a mesmer and know that my current build would suffer for a slight nerf to stealth and yet I would STILL like them to nerf it slightly. Not so much it’s duration or breaking instantly, but instead a shimmer on me, or at least numbers popping up when I’m hit with AoE, that would be fine. To compensate they could give a small damge reduction trait while in stealth to allow for being tracked while in stealth, the effect doesn’t completely change and the visual distortion remains for larger scale fights, but doesn’t allow me to remain stealthed to just avoid being detected at all.

Balancing it isn’t as hard as it might seem, just a matter of whether it’s intended to work the way it is currently, which is that when in stealth you cannot be seen at all, nor numbers or anything else to let the opponent know where you “might” be at. (you can still see you’ve been hit while in stealth and dodge roll to avoid them hitting you with their next AoE, juking and still remaining in stealth at that point) Juking isn’t rewarded in the game as much with so many target lock abilities, more skill shots, less target locked abilities. The stronger the ability the less likely it should be target locked, all stuns should be that way; knockdowns, knockbacks, pulls, immobilizes, as well. Blind and cripple are minor effects and not nearly as powerful in PvP as the above and so are fine to be target locked abilities.

TL;DR “It’s not a L2P issue here, he knows what his options are and how to beat it if he really tried, but it’s just funny and sad in it’s current form. Counterplay > L2P imo.”

He looks like a pretty terrible player to me, he just complained and he has no idea what his enemies doing. “Lol enjoy your ban!”. When any good player knows exactly what CnD is.

He wasn’t dodging, he wasn’t doing anything but letting the thief HIT him over and over, he wasn’t aggressive, in fact hes a joke as a player, because he ran into something he couldn’t beat and gave up.

I hope I never have him on my team.

It might as well have been 2 vs 1, because he was helping the enemy by being bad more so then helping his team, thieves feed on bads the more bads you have on your team, the stronger the thief is.

slow down bro. he’s didnt lose, he wasnt being aggressive on purpose, he was showing how dumb it is that a thief can maintain that much stealth uptime. The mechanic is clearly broken that what is shown in the video is even possible thanks to horrible culling and re-stealth-ability

The Thief can’t do that if you prevent CnD…

YOU need to prevent CnD, its a VERY low range melee attack, it happens every 4-5 seconds, its VERY easy to prevent, DON’T let it hit you and you win.

not the point, the point is culling + using mechanics to avoid revealed debuff = broken.

doesnt matter if it’s easy to avoid, point is it’s possible and shouldn’t be.

Daecollo.9578:

Delofakitten.4231:

Countless is a very good player, I’ve run into him before and so if he’s saying it is a little over the top to be stealthed that much for that long, well I would listen. That said, I too feel that stealth is a little out of control, I too play a mesmer and know that my current build would suffer for a slight nerf to stealth and yet I would STILL like them to nerf it slightly. Not so much it’s duration or breaking instantly, but instead a shimmer on me, or at least numbers popping up when I’m hit with AoE, that would be fine. To compensate they could give a small damge reduction trait while in stealth to allow for being tracked while in stealth, the effect doesn’t completely change and the visual distortion remains for larger scale fights, but doesn’t allow me to remain stealthed to just avoid being detected at all.

Balancing it isn’t as hard as it might seem, just a matter of whether it’s intended to work the way it is currently, which is that when in stealth you cannot be seen at all, nor numbers or anything else to let the opponent know where you “might” be at. (you can still see you’ve been hit while in stealth and dodge roll to avoid them hitting you with their next AoE, juking and still remaining in stealth at that point) Juking isn’t rewarded in the game as much with so many target lock abilities, more skill shots, less target locked abilities. The stronger the ability the less likely it should be target locked, all stuns should be that way; knockdowns, knockbacks, pulls, immobilizes, as well. Blind and cripple are minor effects and not nearly as powerful in PvP as the above and so are fine to be target locked abilities.

TL;DR “It’s not a L2P issue here, he knows what his options are and how to beat it if he really tried, but it’s just funny and sad in it’s current form. Counterplay > L2P imo.”

He looks like a pretty terrible player to me, he just complained and he has no idea what his enemies doing. “Lol enjoy your ban!”. When any good player knows exactly what CnD is.

He wasn’t dodging, he wasn’t doing anything but letting the thief HIT him over and over, he wasn’t aggressive, in fact hes a joke as a player, because he ran into something he couldn’t beat and gave up.

I hope I never have him on my team.

It might as well have been 2 vs 1, because he was helping the enemy by being bad more so then helping his team, thieves feed on bads the more bads you have on your team, the stronger the thief is.

slow down bro. he’s didnt lose, he wasnt being aggressive on purpose, he was showing how dumb it is that a thief can maintain that much stealth uptime.

heres a quote in case you missed it from the thief in the vid:

“you can time it 0.5 seconds before it ends, so you don’t get revealed debuff. "

bad culling + working around the revealed debuff = broken mechanic

Arheundel.6451:

Must love all these armchair developers who have never even written a single line of code in their entire life, pls I’m all ears on how to solve bugs within few days,.

Furthermore I can guarantee that for 90% of all complaints is just a L2P issue, played with all professions against all apparently OP professions, with enough knowledge about every single class, the game is not “garbage” as many want you to think.

The majority of those whining on the forums have purchased the game during Christmas..and already feel entitled in having an opinion, but pls feel free to go and design your personal great MMO…I can’t wait for it

P.S I may not be a software developer but I’d get annoyed if a clueless “customer” would start bashing on my product, especially when the same product has been praised by truly professional evaluation bodies…OP get off from the armchair and step down from the pedestal

i know right all those unfounded bashes against AoC, SWTOR, Warhammer, etc. were all from “clueless customers” who just didnt know how awesome those games really were amiright??

so sick of these “stop complaining, the developer always knows best” posts

the whole rank system is dumb as well. having it tiered every 10 levels in an exponential fashion promotes burnout. also once you hit the next tier you can get all the cosmetic skins you wanted from boxes or the forge so you then have nothing to look forward to but another even longer 10 level grind.

nothing would get me doin paids. they need to remove tournaments from regular play and leave them as a month end thing. make normal games 1 team vs 1 team with ladder

needing 40 people for standard daily play is just dumb

imagine if ileap actually worked consistently

just part of the horrid system that does not penalize quitters

great exAmple of broken culling and stealth mechanic

is this a state of the game for all players in regards to over the top burst, horrible casuals experience, hot join failures or just a elite 5v5 discussion?

fellyn.5083:

Sprawl.3891:

fellyn.5083:

Leo Paul.1659:

Eh? So why should we? You didn’t answer my question.

Because given the chance (and people think anonymity gives them the right) people will act in the worst possible manner. Not enforcing any sort of moral code, as far as swearing goes, will just encourage people to be and act as stupid as they can.

Just look at Call of Duty, youtube comments, etc for a perfect examples of this.

people on YouTube comments do it to purposefully troll overly-sensitive people who have thin skin, and clearly it works on people like you.

go look at a forum like sherdog.com, a mma site, there is no filter or rule against swearing and every post is not full of swearing and trolling. get off the high horse kid.

And to the people saying swearing shows a lack of education, just LOL. Some of the smartest people in the world (comedians, past presidents, professors, etc.) are known to have potty mouths. The thin-skinned elitism in this thread is horrid.

Good job on just reading one of my posts and assuming I’m a “kid”.

None of that has to do with the fact that you and I both agreed to a rule set when we first started playing the game. It doesn’t matter what you think, it doesn’t matter what I think. It only matters what anet thinks.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/Banned-for-Inappropriate-Language/first#post1091437

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/Patone-SoS-EB-Commander-ban/first#post1091429

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-conduct-breaches-outcomes/

Why do people keep overlooking this simple little fact? It has nothing to do with personal opinions.

I’m not arguing their rules. they are loosely enforced anyways based on the amount of people who have said they reported me due to trash talk and have yet to be suspended.

I’m arguing against these horrible comparisons to YouTube comments or real life examples and claims of superiority from people with thin skin.

Amra.6028:

Korrigan.4837:

Amra.6028:

How about you drop that semireligious “mommy told me swearing is bad people get blind and god himself will descend to cut their tongues out” attitude?

Nice try, but bad luck – I’m a complete atheist, and I definitely swear quite a lot in real life. Not also that swearing is very different from directly insulting random people.

Typical Internet though – have no more arguments? No problem, just makes personal attacks based on assumptions about the unknown person’s life or beliefs. If anything, you proved me right.

Pro tip: I just did exactly what you did.

lol he’s clueless

Korrigan.4837:

Sprawl.3891:

people on YouTube comments do it to purposefully troll overly-sensitive people who have thin skin, and clearly it works on people like you.

Being hidden behind a keyboard and screen and calling people “thin skinned” in a sort of virtual muscle flexing is easy. The person you answer to is right – people do that because they are anonymous on the Internet and there’s close to zero risk of retaliation. As I said in another post, the guy someone just insulted may be a doctor who saves lives daily, or a heavy weight boxer who would punch their nose in if they ever dared to do the same face to face in real life (which they won’t, of course, those guys only do it safely hidden behind a computer).

So please, drop the “big bad thick skinned guy” attitude, that doesn’t impress anyone here. If anything, insulting people one doesn’t even know safely hidden behind a computer screen is cowardice.

no, you talk kitten to a boxer’s face he will laugh at you because he doesn’t want an assault lawsuit and is not thin skinned and has self control.

You don’t seem to understand trolling, if people posted those youtube comments and nobody said anything or reacted they go away, but instead, people like you go “omg wtf ur such a racist! u need a ban! someone ban this guy! how could u say that!” and help breed his behavior.

there are paid professional hecklers at sports game whos job is to talk kitten to pro athletes the entire game and get them frustrated, you have a lot to learn about life if you think trolling is something limited to computer nerds.

To the people who dont swear or think it’s means something about your mental state, guess what, you’re in the minority:

“Virtually all people swear, and people swear pretty consistently throughout their lifetime — from the moment they can speak to the day they die. Swearing is almost a universal constant in most people’s lives. Research, according to Jay, has shown we swear on average from 0.3% to 0.7% of the time — a tiny but significant percentage of our overall speech (frequently-used personal pronouns occur at approximately 1.0% rate in speech). Swearing is more common than you might think. Swearing is not just for the uneducated or people of a lower socioeconomic class — it knows no social boundaries in its expression”

-Association of Psychological Science’s Perspectives on Psychological Science article by Timothy Jay (2009)

fellyn.5083:

Leo Paul.1659:

Eh? So why should we? You didn’t answer my question.

Because given the chance (and people think anonymity gives them the right) people will act in the worst possible manner. Not enforcing any sort of moral code, as far as swearing goes, will just encourage people to be and act as stupid as they can.

Just look at Call of Duty, youtube comments, etc for a perfect examples of this.

people on YouTube comments do it to purposefully troll overly-sensitive people who have thin skin, and clearly it works on people like you.

go look at a forum like sherdog.com, a mma site, there is no filter or rule against swearing and every post is not full of swearing and trolling. get off the high horse kid.

And to the people saying swearing shows a lack of education, just LOL. Some of the smartest people in the world (comedians, past presidents, professors, etc.) are known to have potty mouths. The thin-skinned elitism in this thread is horrid.

fellyn.5083:

Leo Paul.1659:

Aberrant.6749:

Korrigan.4837:

There are those adults among us, “Aberrant”, and I like to think it’s the majority, who don’t mind the “F” word or the “S” world, but still mind direct insults or very bad racist slurs. Those people turn off the filter, because they want to talk like adults with the other adults in their guild, but still don’t expect to have to face the “N” word or other similar racist and totally unneeded hate filled insults.
Apples and Oranges.

And yeah, I will report you for using the “N” word (or similar stuff). Without thinking twice.

It’s still bannable to even use the occasional profanity. So according to A-net it’s all apples.

Also I added a bit to my post about giving/taking offense and censorship… which you might want to read and ponder.

How silly would it be to report someone for saying “Kitten, I died!”. It’s like telling on a person on the street because he shouldn’t be using ‘bad words’.

Be that as it may. It’s still against the rules. Yeah a person would have to be really uptight for reporting some one for saying something like that but that doesn’t change the fact that the person who said it broke the rules to begin with.

Also it’s completely unlikely that some one would get outright banned for just saying that or even cursing in /m 1 or 2 times a day. They would likely get suspended for 3 days the first time. It would take a much heavier or repeated offense to get banned. Also it probably takes quite a few reports to get someone suspended for the first time to begin with.

So yeah, if you’re banned, you likely deserve it because you didn’t heed the previous warnings.

it’s against the law to walk across the street without a crosswalk. do you call the police when you see someone do it? reporting someone for simply cursing or “insulting” you with mild language is equally laughable and only clogs up the already slow system. I’m amazed at the kitten people report.

fwiw though I talk all kinds of kitten in spvp, it is a great tool to get people to play poorly and have people telling me to enjoy my ban and that I have been reported and blocked and I have yet to be suspended or warned. so hopefully those people were banned for reporting trash talk as harassment.

lol fellyn so do you report people when you see kitten because you can fill in the blank with the appropriate swear word

mavet.3047:

That’s a problem these days – I agree with fletch. Where I come from, we don’t sugar coat sh t, just say it to your face. And ppl get along well together. Not this total bllsh t PC (Piece of Crap) garbage – if you’re an as h l then I’m going to call you one – plain and simple

exactly, nobody has nuts these days. Instead of confronting someone face to face, it’s “i’m gonna go sue this guy for calling me a bad name in public and clog up the legal system”

I feel bad for the anet folks who have to sift through probably hundreds of “reports” of “so and so called me dumb kitten and told me to learn to play”

It’s typically a running gag in most games to say “reported” anytime someone uses a curse word, basically making fun of the people who actually did silently report them rather than actually saying anything to them.

Sylosi.6503:

Sprawl.3891:

Sylosi.6503:

Sprawl.3891:

you are acting equally childish by reporting them when there’s a million ways to avoid it. filter, turn map chat off, leave zone, or just right click block. so hard.

Not really, I wasn’t refering to swearing by itself, I’m fine with swearing (and if I wasn’t I would indeed use the filter), I’m talking about personal attacks (which often do use expletives, but not always and is what people get banned for), if you want to go around insulting strangers then you need to learn to take responsibilty for your actions, like an adult.

Of course the best option is simply not to make personal attacks on people you don’t know, to use your words “so hard”.

so again we are different. where I just block them. you take the extra childish step to report them for saying something to you on a computer game in hopes they get out in a timeout by daddy. this isn’t real life, do you really feel threatened or get upset from what someone says to you on a game chat? sad what a thin skin society we live in now days. omg he told me l2p and used bad words waaa plz ban he hurt me

As for society, last time I checked it wasn’t acceptable to hurl abuse at strangers.

Last time I checked it is just fine to hurl abuse at strangers, I watch a lot of sports, political shows and listen to talk radio and the most popular shows are the ones that hurl the most abuse at bad players, political opponents, etc.

Rouven.7409:

Sprawl.3891:

so again we are different. where I just block them. you take the extra childish step to report them for saying something to you on a computer game in hopes they get out in a timeout by daddy. this isn’t real life, do you really feel threatened or get upset from what someone says to you on a game chat? sad what a thin skin society we live in now days. omg he told me l2p and used bad words waaa plz ban he hurt me

To ridicule and basically insult your partner in a discussion like this really does not help your cause.

It only shows that you are out of arguments. The profanity filter can never serve as a universal filter for all types of insults, threats, racial slurs etc. On top of that the profanity filter might filter “normal” phrases (or accepted). Language also changes over time. You may be fine with an adult joke, but not with a personal threat. It (the filter) can only serve as a feeble attempt of extra layer.

Perhaps the anger and frustration is best let out directly – a screaming therapy if you like to imagine that. No need to type it down. Unless you actually want a negative reaction.

If you go to a restaurant with your friend – and you and your friend are “talking” to each other, you know, inappropriately – and the other guests complain, you can’t tell the owner of the restaurant that they should go sit at a different table, leave or ignore it (give them earplugs). The only solution for you is to keep your voice down in the first place if you absolutely can’t control it (or you are not willing to). Translated you can whisper your friend or party chat or guild chat with likeminded individuals/friends.

Well this is the best I can do in terms of a comparison to convey my thoughts about this matter.

I’m out of arguments? I’m not making an argument. I’m explaining my opinion of why I feel reporting for something on a computer game is childish. The filter is one of many layers you can avoid a situation escalating further in a computer game. Please stop with the horrible real life comparisons. This is a computer game, where a simple right click – block removes any further incident. You and many others though feel simply blocking someone and ending it there is not enough and feel the need to tattle on them as well and hope they get put in timeout.

And as to your (bad) real life argument, if I was the one being bothered by the chat I would go up to them, in person. People react much better if you say something to their face rather than send over a waiter to tell them some anonymous person complained about them. Remember there is no right click block option in real life so please avoid these silly comparisons.

If you cant deal with someone calling you a bad name and telling you to L2P in computer game fantasy land you have bigger issues.

Sylosi.6503:

Sprawl.3891:

i guess we are just cut from a different cloth. If someone starts swearing at me I laugh and troll them. If they were truly starting to bother me by spamming me or something I just block them. problem solved. Reporting someone on a computer game is just childish in my opinion, theres a million ways to avoid it unlike real life.

Making personal attacks on people in a computer game is what is childish, it is pretty simple, if people want to behave like kids in the school playground then they should expect to get treated like them.

you are acting equally childish by reporting them when there’s a million ways to avoid it. filter, turn map chat off, leave zone, or just right click block. so hard.

evilapprentice.6379:

Sprawl.3891:

evilapprentice.6379:

BlueprintLFE.2358:

Wizzy.7910:

@Fellknight.4820
Ever heard about using dodge/block? Thief can’t use CnD when he doesn’t land the hit which then leaves him stuck with usually 2 stealths depeding on build. Other one is area stealth where you can just go hitting the air, push him out of the area, w/e. Also while thief isn’t in stealth u can stun, immobilize and in general just try deal massive dmg. Thieves are very fragile and die easily when not in stealth. tho still enemies with zero/low condition removal will die during those 2 non CnD stealths when thiefs is using condition build but u just can’t always win

I a perfect vacuum, yes to can dodge every cloak and dagger, with 2 dodges, and a battle going on you are just not going to be able to dodge every c&d. I hate when people come with these responses like everything is in a vacuum.

Learn to use your dodges wisely. What else is a P/D thief throwing at you worth dodging? Eating the cripple from a Dancing Dagger might suck sometimes, but dodging CnD costs a thief 6 init, and denies them sneak attack, which accounts for most of their damage. There’s literally no other ability worth dodging (unless you eat the CnD and try to dodge Sneak attack, which is trickier and less effective)

Same goes for D/D thief – if you’re dodging anything that isn’t CnD or HS while you’re at less than 50% (really less than 25%, but that might be a little risky for some players), you’re just wasting dodges.

When it comes down to it, the basis of this game is resource management. Every time you dodge HS at more than 50% health, or dodge a dancing dagger in most situations, that’s you yielding ground to the thief – you’ve wasted a highly valued resource on a junk attack.

they have more stealth than just cnd

On longer CD utility skills, yes – you have utility skills too.

my point was simply dodging a cnd or 2 does not auto win. they have easy ways to regain init and the way cnd can be combod with gap closers makes it near impossible to dodge sometimes.

evilapprentice.6379:

BlueprintLFE.2358:

Wizzy.7910:

@Fellknight.4820
Ever heard about using dodge/block? Thief can’t use CnD when he doesn’t land the hit which then leaves him stuck with usually 2 stealths depeding on build. Other one is area stealth where you can just go hitting the air, push him out of the area, w/e. Also while thief isn’t in stealth u can stun, immobilize and in general just try deal massive dmg. Thieves are very fragile and die easily when not in stealth. tho still enemies with zero/low condition removal will die during those 2 non CnD stealths when thiefs is using condition build but u just can’t always win

I a perfect vacuum, yes to can dodge every cloak and dagger, with 2 dodges, and a battle going on you are just not going to be able to dodge every c&d. I hate when people come with these responses like everything is in a vacuum.

Learn to use your dodges wisely. What else is a P/D thief throwing at you worth dodging? Eating the cripple from a Dancing Dagger might suck sometimes, but dodging CnD costs a thief 6 init, and denies them sneak attack, which accounts for most of their damage. There’s literally no other ability worth dodging (unless you eat the CnD and try to dodge Sneak attack, which is trickier and less effective)

Same goes for D/D thief – if you’re dodging anything that isn’t CnD or HS while you’re at less than 50% (really less than 25%, but that might be a little risky for some players), you’re just wasting dodges.

When it comes down to it, the basis of this game is resource management. Every time you dodge HS at more than 50% health, or dodge a dancing dagger in most situations, that’s you yielding ground to the thief – you’ve wasted a highly valued resource on a junk attack.

they have more stealth than just cnd

Sylosi.6503:

Sprawl.3891:

god forbid you ever attend a professional sporting event, your virgin ears will be ruined by both the fans and players.

Reporting people for cussing is childish. Mommy, timmmy said the f word!!

I seem to remember from the Reddit topic on this, that they are likely to turn a blind eye simply to someone swearing, it is when someone starts making personal attacks they will get banned if reported, which seems fair enough.

As for sporting events, depends on the sport, lots of the stuff chanted at football matches would be deemed unacceptable at a tennis match.

i guess we are just cut from a different cloth. If someone starts swearing at me I laugh and troll them. If they were truly starting to bother me by spamming me or something I just block them. problem solved. Reporting someone on a computer game is just childish in my opinion, theres a million ways to avoid it unlike real life.

i dont play my thief much but when i doin spvp: s/d

Korrigan.4837:

People reported for profanity are banned, that’s a fact.
If you need to swear, do it in “real life”, verbally, no need to pollute the in game public chat with your written rudeness.

I usually ignore the occasional “F” word and similar stuff, but if someone gets into personal attacks and direct insults, or worse, racism or similar crap, I will report him for the greater good of the community and enjoy my game time without him polluting the public chat.

Freedom of speech is not an excuse to behave like a rude brat… or if you believe that, be my guest and put your actions where your mouth is, go to your local bar, or library, or even better, police station, and start insulting the people there… I’m not responsible of what is going to happen to you though.

god forbid you ever attend a professional sporting event, your virgin ears will be ruined by both the fans and players.

Reporting people for cussing is childish. Mommy, timmmy said the f word!!

qt do you play dd ele? from your post history looks like you do. dd ele is probably the best spec to deal with burst and has more oh kitten ability if you play poorly than any other.

yup burst in this game is backward. thief and mesmer can basically insta burst with zero skill required

Miku Lawrence.6329:

Why running legion with the recent nerf to Protection Membrane?

moving 5 pts is hard, build still owns

person above me doesn’t get it. this is an mmo. not everyone had the same playtime. you are basically telling a large portion of competitive teams if they can’t be on during prime time find another game. more reason why qps mean jack kitten you could have a bunch of solid teams out there who play off hours and have quit since they could never get in any paid tournaments.

Blackjack.5621:

Sprawl.3891:

gkaare.8576:

Sprawl.3891:

irony when paid players who keep telling casuals to l2p and that burst is fine complain about small player base

To be fair, Blackjack has said burst is a problem and he doesn’t like it the way it is right now.

i have seen him say thief burst is a problem, yet he hasn’t commented at all on mesmer burst (class he plays)

I play necro btw. I am fine with burst, but not with oneshots.
I can still react when a mesmer roots me and starts blurred frenzy.

mesmers can 1 shot without blurred frenzy

gkaare.8576:

Sprawl.3891:

irony when paid players who keep telling casuals to l2p and that burst is fine complain about small player base

To be fair, Blackjack has said burst is a problem and he doesn’t like it the way it is right now.

i have seen him say thief burst is a problem, yet he hasn’t commented at all on mesmer burst (class he plays)

Decrypter.1785:

How come everyone feels the need to post there gaming history ?

W v W v W is a FFA server in a kinda way

um what? do you know what ffa means? i would totally make a char on a ffa server.

Theres lots of ways they can implement it. No transfers to, dont have to lock all of your chars to that server, etc.

OneArmedBandit.7936:

After all, we’re all in the same boat sharing similar sentiments.

not quite. tournament players say balance is fine, casuals do not. Paid players want more people queuing but say leave balance alone, casuals are quitting because they dont like getting 1 shot or playing matches full of the same classes/specs.

If devs and fanbois knew what was best for their game there wouldn’t be a 99% failure rate in the mmo gaming world.

MarkedOne.1309:

All of you CRYING noobs are calling for nerfing burst. I SAY NERF BUNKERING. Bunkering is more OP than burst. Think about it.

bunkers are only op due to only 1 game mode being available, if they had DM or CTF or something when the goal wasnt just to sit in a circle, nobody would care.

gaiz why u need rewardz all theze FPS games have no rewardz u just play 4 fun. who cares dat this iz a progreshun based mmo wana-be fps game, just play 4 fun doin same game mode over n over again with rogue and mesmar 1 shotting u