I think matchmaking works rather well. and sure there are lots of examples of teams playing teams they shouldn’t be. Oh well, in GW1 it used to happen all the time as well, Team ranked 1000 vs team ranked 5. Boo hoo, I mean seriously cry more.
Get a team and play or at least a team of pugs. Because unless there are hundreds of people from all ranks playing at the same time all the time, you will get matchups like this.
Everyone wants a Solo queue, it is an awful idea, and it will kill tpvp. Solo queue should be completely gone, I mean its a team game get a team. If you want to play mby yourself go spvp.
Lol this guy. If you don’t add solo queue the casuals leave. If you do add solo queue the premades who are only good at pug stomping get mad and premade queue times get longer.
Hmm watch the majority of players continue to quit or make the minority of premades upset due to longer queue times and no more pug stomping. Which one is the awful idea again?
The depth of this game is as much as you want it to be. You can take it at face value like most people do and just play the numbers game. Or you can go further and send the right class to a position. Or you can go even further to push a position in order to open up a later more important push somewhere else.
Its like the nba. You could say there is no depth, your just aiming for the basket. But then at each progressively higher level you will see more things to it then that. Matchups, plays, rotations, etc.
i wouldnt compare a 9 month old computer game with about 10 competitive teams to a professional sport. Maybe you could compare it to tic tac toe or connect 4.
I think you are the troll, seriously just going to every thread you can think of to post your broken heart feelings. Can you just find a new game to terrorize? Or maybe go become a developer and show Anet up since you think you can do much better.
Anet already did better, it’s called GW1, but they decided to cater too much to PvE with this game and continue to push esports while leaving one of the worst pvp experiences in an mmo to date for causals.
And I don’t think I need to be a developer to explain how solo queue was more important than custom servers and observer mode especially when 90% of the people who were asking for those features have long since quit and aren’t coming back.
But hey lets cater to the 10 teams who actually think gw2 will succeed as an esport and ignore the casuals. And lets host tournaments where we only invite the teams that will get viewers and then sprinkle in a few crap teams to make sure the top teams make the semis and finals.
solo queue sucks? match making admittedly broken? 5v4 still happens? 4 K VIEWS ON TWITCH GAIZ! oooh and a patch full of observer mode tweaks! and lets not forget the guy who is 13-0 and ranked #8 after beating 1 top 50 team, 7 top 500 teams and 5 pugs.
The depth of this game is as much as you want it to be. You can take it at face value like most people do and just play the numbers game. Or you can go further and send the right class to a position. Or you can go even further to push a position in order to open up a later more important push somewhere else.
Its like the nba. You could say there is no depth, your just aiming for the basket. But then at each progressively higher level you will see more things to it then that. Matchups, plays, rotations, etc.
i wouldnt compare a 9 month old computer game with about 10 competitive teams to a professional sport. Maybe you could compare it to tic tac toe or connect 4.
The depth of this game is as much as you want it to be. You can take it at face value like most people do and just play the numbers game. Or you can go further and send the right class to a position. Or you can go even further to push a position in order to open up a later more important push somewhere else.
Its like the nba. You could say there is no depth, your just aiming for the basket. But then at each progressively higher level you will see more things to it then that. Matchups, plays, rotations, etc.
i wouldnt compare a 9 month old computer game with about 10 competitive teams to a professional sport. Maybe you could compare it to tic tac toe or connect 4.
If they are going to implant this system , it will be wise each person can report only 15-25 different persons , per day . (for starters , and modify it later)
U can see how many <<charges>> u have left , so they choose more wisely who to report .
The majorority of PvPers are jerks and love to abuse things
Edit: How will the company protect the <<victim>> , from me and my other 2 sisters from harashing-reporting him 24/7 , forcing him out of tPvP for ever ?
The same person cant report the same <<victim>> with 72 hours cd maybe ?
Whats if a guild with 50 ppl boicot the <<victim>> ?
What if ppl on the forums , report him 24/7 <<just for lolzs>>
why are you worried this would happen? If you don’t talk kitten and don’t akitten why would a random group of 50 people want to black list you?
So real issues like balance, broken match making, solo queue, etc. stop getting drowned out by people bumping their own thread about watching a tournament with the same 4 teams in the semi-finals as last week.
LOL, i finally find the password for this account.
This account belongs to my friend, he quit this game from the end of last year and never plays anymore.
I hired this account for 2 nights for my alt account, cuz my main account’s rank is pretty high and i cant troll my teammate anymore.
After 13 matches win(trolling) , i bought a new account later cuz my friend doesnt allow me to delete his chara(I BOUGHT A CHARA SLOT IN HIS ACCOUNT FOR MY ENGI FOR ONLY TWO DAYS!!! WTF). So that’s why I didnt play this account anymore.
For your information:
I beat a good team (for “good”, i mean their rank is high, like 10-50 or something, cant remember clearly) for once and some normal teams (like rank 100-500) for like 6 or 7 times, rest is pugs (maybe not, im not sure.)
As u can see, I didnt beat anyone between rank 1-10, but i got rank 7 when my rank first shown on the board.
LMAO What a nice joke.
so he beat one top 50 team, 6-7 top 500 teams and 5 pugs and is ranked top 10. Great system.
Lol at all the observer notes while still plagued with broken matchmaking, 5v4 matches and no solo queue. As usual their priorities are backwards. Games become popular due to huge casual population not because the same 10 teams play a tournament once a week.
My guess is that they are starting new players out at the 50th percentile, assuming they are average. It would be a much better experience for everyone if they assumed 10% instead.
HOw is that better? 50th percent shouldnt be facing premades
they need reset and make the current leaderboard for solo queue only then add a TEAM leaderboard for premades like WoW has where you must play 75%+ of your teams games to be rated and add a minimum 10 games per week required in addition to decay.
I guess instead of crying about solo queue you could find people to play with. Nah why do that, go through that hassle of having to talk to other people on a voip, to difficult.
yea cuz no other competitive pvp games have solo queue LOLLLLLLLL
I would argue the exact opposite, that AE increases the skill cap and perhaps even the floor by a margin. Area damage allows zoning, requires constant movement, and is entirely avoidable by players. It also requires good placement by the caster. Single target damage requires…
pressing a button.
Your post really does nothing to prove your point of AE actually removing skill of the game. Judging by your attitude of “this takes no skill”, you don’t want single-target button-mashing spells (although you did say “direct dmg spells”), so what DO you want? Single-target, aimed projectiles? In theory that would be fun as hell, but it is unfortunately impractical, because varying latencies and server delays would make the registry wonky as all hell. Not to mention that would just make the game seem more of a cluster-kitten, which seems to be your issue with AE in the first place.
As for CC, I like the minimal CC approach GW2 currently has. Each class has enough CC to do what they have to do, but they don’t have enough to skilllessly lock out an enemy. This is a preference thing, although I don’t think instant 5 second stuns have any place in GW2, and I don’t think stunlocking or fear spamming has any place in any game.
ya hitting someone with AE who has to stay inside a small circle is extreme skill cap brah. Or AoEing people trying to rez somone, mad skillz
nope classes still have 1-2 viable specs only, leaderboard top 100 is a bunch of non-actives, solo queuers still get matched vs premades and stuck in 4v5 since there is still no deserter penalties.
Hey all! Just wanted to say thanks for keeping this thread so positive and constructive. The balance guys and I are watching this thread, and we’ve really enjoyed some of the ideas you guys are putting out.
So you know (history lesson incoming): There was a time in balance when Necromancers were the apex class for mulitple specs in the game. They were the best tanks (death shroud building + wells giving protection, while also wiping condies), had some of the best mobility (their old Death Shround #2 was a ground targeted teleport!) and they had insane damage/boon ripping with Axe-based bunker killing hybrid builds.
So while we do want to help the Necro to see more play in competitive builds (both in variety of roles and variety of builds), we are being very careful not to give them too much. We will be adjusting them just like all the other classes, and I just wanted to let you guys know we ARE watching threads like this.
The same can be said for Warriors in TPvP, non shortbow-based Thieves, different specs for Engi that are weak, etc. etc. We want all classes to have multiple options, so that’s what we’ll be looking for in upcoming balance changes. This will happen through number adjustments (the multipliers on specific skills), through skill “toolbox” adjustments (like we did with S/D Thief removing boons) and through trait adjustments (Warrior changes to counter condies + boons).
And as always, we don’t want to do crazy increases followed by large decreases. We are employing metered changes as opposed to a ‘whack-a-mole’ approach.
Sorry for no response until now, been out of the office a few weeks to see family.
-Chap
thats great and all except you have been saying since release and yet still most classes only have 1 or 2 viable specs for pvp and a bloat of traits that are worthless for both pvp and pve
i mean for necro as is, minion AI is still terrible, axe still sucks, lifesteal builds still suck. what has change since they were the apex? nothing.
either there’s just not many people pvping or however it makes teams and finds matches is just straight up broken.
all you have to do is add people on your team and opposing team to your friends list then go look at their leaderboard rank, as an 70-80% i find myself often times getting teamed up with people under 50% vs top 1000 premades, broken system is broken.
So tired of topics about 5v4… srsly, haven’t been in a 5v4 situation for months, and gw2 does the best job about eliminating this issue, making it impossible to leave the game after match started.
Only way you can be in a 5v4 is alt+f4, and I don’t think anyone could do anything about that.
right because the system keeps people from logging out or going afk? lol
voting for caed n steb since jumper don’t play no more (coming from a rank 51 thief)
Since 2 people said Steb, any one got a link to their twitch/youtube page? I know I’ve seen a couple videos of Caed before as well. Been looking into other higher ranked thief players to see what else I can pick up since I came back.
wild bill is the best period if you would type in gw2 thief wild bill and watch his videos of wvw he does not just show the high lights he shows 15 min of streight video . he goesd 1v2 1v3 1v4 1v5 1v6 1v7 and he wins and most of the ones he fight out gear him how is that not the best please do not respond to my reply inless you have watched his videos
Robert, do you play a thief? probably not.
Let me explain to you why wild bill is far from a talented thief. The videos you are glorifying show him using a build that has nearly 2K toughness and 3k armour with literally almost 100% stealth uptime and heals/condition removals while in stealth. It is pistol/dagger condition bleed spam with literally just sneak attack and then reapply cloak and dagger. At the time of those videos stealth had not been nerfed to 4 secs and culling still existed in WvW. But most importantly, with that build there is almost ZERO risk to wild bill the entire time he is playing. The dmg he can take is considerable with the toughness/armor and the stealth being continually up allows him to easily regen health and condi removal. It is complete and total cheese. The only time you would even see his thief was for the 2 secs he came out of stealth with the stealth pistol opener of sneak attack.
As far as gear goes… he has a legendary pistol. He completely outgears many if not all of the ppl he kills in the video. Lastly, this is WvW. A place where food buffs and underlevel newbs roam wild. There is no level playing field there. You can literally be killing lvl 20’s that are being up-leveled. It is a joke. His build in spvp would be completely useless. It would not capture a point…it would not even contest a point…because it requires him to be in almost constant stealth.
And the final and most over-powered reason his videos are cheese…. in WvW there are thousands of NPC’s for him to stand near and CnD off of to reapply his attack on players. This is laughable. Most of his fights occur in strategic gank spots where he can use NPC’s as well as his opponents to ensure constant re-application and uptime of stealth.
That build is nearly unkillable. The thief has to literally go afk to die. I ran it for months in wvw. You could jump into entire 20 and 30 man zergs…and kill a person without even worrying. I admit it is fun… but it is the pinnacle of cheese.
Nothing against the guy, his WvW videos are entertaining. However, I was in a Niflhel match against him in hot join once just before the 3/26 patch. Didnt see him kill a single thing, not even me on my GC thief. Sure he only died once (that I know of, maybe twice), but I didnt see him actually get anyone downed either. At most, his playstyle was more of a nuisance with the chain CnD.
P/D works in sPvP, but I dont find it very effective myself. It might work against a Thief, or a Warrior (unless the Thief has something like Shadow’s Embrace), but really it’s just a stack of bleeds. One condi remover and it’s gone. It can work if you’re constantly doing Stealth > Sneak Attack, but not if you just sit there chaining CnD all day long. >.>
came here to post something along these lines. he is a wvw hero, a step below a hit join hero. I have never seen him post a competitive tourney match vid because his spec is horrid for it.
It blows my mind that people are here saying these things just to be reactionary. Everyone knows the GW2 pvp scene is only just beginning to build up in terms of streams. Obviously it wont have the same numbers as other more established games.
You are trolls are you are wasting everyone`s time, including your own.
actually pvp streams are not building they are tanked, there were hundreds more pvp streamers during beta and first couple months of release, all those high profile players have left and are not returning. TP is really the only somewhat well known guild left, i think they are just sticking around since they are cornering what limited viewership market there is.
esports are built from casual base. these tournament’s don’t fix 5v4 or premade vs pug, this has zero indication of anything except to beat up a few newb teams nobody ever heard of.
Sprawl, almost everything I have seen you say recently has been negative. Please, for the love of everything beautiful, just relax and realise that there is no point being here to try and make the game worse with your depressive attitude. Yes, we know that this is small fry in terms of the overall battle to make GW2 a good competitive multiplayer game but its about drumming up excitement and support. Indeed, it may never even reach those heights. But why would anyone want to try and reinforce that perception?
You are leaching off of other people`s happiness that GW2 may be going somewhere. I cannot see a single reason that someone would spend their time being a constant downer on a forum unless they are just depressed and need to get some fresh air.
Seriously.
Edit: also, guys, it has been like 2 weeks starting basically from scratch. Get some perspective. Runescape has developed its fanbase for a decade. Its no mystery.
oh right i should be positive that they added custom servers while casuals still get stuck with 5v4 and vs premades, how silly of me!
fyi, casuals make games popular, not the 1 decent team left playing a bunch of newb teams in a tournament that still got less viewers than PvE/WvW streams.
im trying to make the game better in hopes that Anet points their focus in the right direction. It’s people like you who were in alpha tests that said “omg this is great, paid tournaments so gud! who needs leadurbowrdz we got QP! yay release nao!” that got us stuck with this joke pvp in the first place.
esports are built from casual base. these tournament’s don’t fix 5v4 or premade vs pug, this has zero indication of anything except to beat up a few newb teams nobody ever heard of.
i believe he is saying if someone who never boxed before beat the world champion in a match he would be ranked #1 then
but in reality the system is that boxer beat 13 people then took 5 years off, and the people ranked above him all lost during those 5 years so he became #1
first one is true and its right…
second one is true and its wrong (nothing do to with first post anyway, you didnt say anything about not playing, only about 13 wins)… needs to be fixed…
and sry for eng, but i think you (RoRo and mbh) are not smart enough if you didnt get the point even if grammer isnt 100% ok english isnt my first language
show me a boxer who is ranked top 10 after 13 fights . also they did not beat #1 he got top 20 and stopped playing and has moved up by not playing. in no sport is inactivity rewarded
i believe he is saying if someone who never boxed before beat the world champion in a match he would be ranked #1 then
but in reality the system is that boxer beat 13 people then took 5 years off, and the people ranked above him all lost during those 5 years so he became #1
rank may not equal exact skill but when you have a full team of experienced r40+ vs a team of r1-15 it is 99.9% of the time a steam roll win. if you disagree please post a screen shot proving otherwise.
gonna be hilarious when they do actually split queues and bad premades have no pugs to beat up on anymore, their tears will be delicious, they will be stuck in bottom of the barrel getting 500-50’d if they want to play as 5, otherwise they will have to split up and solo queue lol.
It also sucks being on the other end. It’s not fun, the game is just a stomp and it’s pretty kitten boring. Also people are kitten. All game it’s just
“omg you guys are kittening premade go home tryhards”
“Hah, close game against a premade, scrubs.”
“Man, a premade and you guys aren’t even in the top 1,000? Sccrubs.”
all. kittening. game. it’s now our fault my group of friends got matched up with you guys, jesus christ.
I don’t know why the teams who left are even considered competitive anymore. They aren’t competing in gw2 due to not playing, so they are NOT a competitive team in tpvp anymore and it doesn’t matter why they left or why anyone other than me, myself leaves. I enjoy the game, and I play it competitively. When I see others play it competitively, it makes it even more fun. I don’t need the top team players from the past to come back or even stay to nurture my competitiveness. I just need people to compete with. And there are people compete with no matter how much you want to deny it. And that’s a competition. If that’s not your kind of competition, maybe find a new hobby?
Aaah.
See.
Finally, you talk about what you want from the game…
Just medium level play that can feel pretty competitive.
That has nothing, like at all, to do with an esport.
Cool, that you found what you want, thnks for the complete sidetrack. Anyways… now that you know… don’t go saying ‘people are raining on the esports parade and that is bad’ because you don’t really care.
You just want base level competition, not to have super leet korean teams playing the game 24/7 for the sake of prize money.
Good talk…
I’m sure I’ve played in more tournaments than most of the players in this tpvp forum. So no, my kind of competition is not ‘base’ level. I am not talking about friendlies. I am talking about facing people who want to be the best at all costs. Koreans are good, but they don’t rule ever game out there. Maybe stick to your korean fanboy games? Not worth talking to you anymore kid.
i think you are missing the point, you are saying you are competitive and play a lot, but you are playing vs lesser skilled players since all the good players left. It would be like if the NFL went on lockout and they put replacement players in, and the replacement players were like you saying “hey bro we are competitive, I’m a starting NFL quarterback, those guys dont play we would prolly beat them if they came back since they havent practiced” which is just LOL.
Being competitive in a small niche group of remaining players doesn’t mean you are better than people who used to play. It’s called promotion by attrition.
Whichever ‘big team’ left probably couldn’t face our top tier players now. Not sure what you mean by ‘big’ teams. Unless you mean player size—and that’s what we are trying to make grow. There are players trying to make it work and that’s the beauty of it. If you don’t like it, seriously, just play something you like.
lol tp, which is not even the best EU team stomped some of the best NA players. what hes saying is teams that have and would stomp tp, and thus any na team, left long ago. and most pro gamers never even bought the game due to all the missing features.
english isnt my first language
